Lately there's been a lot of negative criticism about this game and I was wondering where it compares to FF8 and 9.

This game doesn't exactly come cheap. Also the FMVs suck.

nope, its not worth buying, and FF9 is vastly superior.

nope, its not worth buying, and FF9 is vastly superior.
totally convinced me man

If you want it go for it, I personally woudn't and all, and yeah FFIX is better, but you're obviously interested in doing so, so go ahead.

FFVII can be very enjoyable, but its gameplay has very notable flaws, and its plot was poorly executed. If you think you'll enjoy a game where you won't have too much difficulty, you'll probably enjoy playing it. It has well-composed music, although the midi sound quality is god awful.

It's worth it if it's under 15 dollars... cause it's old. I don't see how this game seems to be getting more expensive.

Play it yourself, and compare it to your other games instead of listening to sheep.

If you get an original still packaged it's a collector's item that can be sold for big bucks.

I will not sell my black label original. No, sir. Not for all the pokeplushies in the world.

Okay, maybe for THAT.

I doubt it's still packaged.

Of course not. It's been open for like 10 years.

Lately there's been a lot of negative criticism about this game and I was wondering where it compares to FF8 and 9.

This game doesn't exactly come cheap. Also the FMVs suck.

My suggestion... Get an ISO... PC version or PS version. Burn it to disc, and play it, either on an emulator or as is if you got the PC version. Copy protection rapes you, then just forget about it. I would buy it myself, but I'm not you. I'd encourage you to buy it, but copies are just so few and far between compared to later titles. The original release was about 10 years ago, and most subsequent releases were of lower quality discs that are already breaking down and becoming unreadable. The game is most widespread in ISO format. It almost looks like the number of people playing the PC version of Final Fantasy VII greatly outnumber the total number of units of ever produced for the PC. The periodic resurgance of FFVII does seem to constantly bring new people to love it or hate it. The recent "hate wave" is a result of the newest generation to play it(that is the first "new generation" to actually be a new generation) being particularly assinine about their fandom. The "hate wave" is more a counter culture to the new fluff bunny fandom.

It really is a good game on it's own, it just isn't the "grand epic" so many have made it out to be. I love it for what it is, not for what it's done or what people think of it. If you wish to hate it, then hate it for what it is and not what it's done or what others think of it. And the only way to really hate it or love it for what it is, is to form your own opinion about it and not rely on the opinions of others. You would know within the first few minutes of playing it, whether you would like it, but you wouldn't know until after you've played a ways through whether or not you do like it. Then, if you want to join the "hate wave," you'd have a real reason to bag on it. lol. And trust me, and I say this as someone who does love the game, you will find something to bag on it about.

I'd say it's worth buying. Avoid the PC version though.

Oh, and it's much better than FF8 in my opinion. Maybe not FF9.

Rent it, if possible. Opinions on this game differ massively. It can't really compare to FFIX, but gameplay wise it kicks FFVIII's ass.

I don't see how this game seems to be getting more expensive.





Because original, legal copies of the game are continuously being bought, but since Final Fantasy VII is no longer being produced on PS and PC format, the number of copies keeps dwindling. Giving them a reason to jack up the prices.

Sorry if this isnt a good explanationbut it is all that I can come up with right now...


And my recommendation is to buy Final Fantasy VII if it is for 30 dollars or less.

My suggestion... Get an ISO... PC version or PS version. Burn it to disc, and play it, either on an emulator or as is if you got the PC version. Copy protection rapes you, then just forget about it. I would buy it myself, but I'm not you. I'd encourage you to buy it, but copies are just so few and far between compared to later titles. The original release was about 10 years ago, and most subsequent releases were of lower quality discs that are already breaking down and becoming unreadable. The game is most widespread in ISO format. It almost looks like the number of people playing the PC version of Final Fantasy VII greatly outnumber the total number of units of ever produced for the PC. The periodic resurgance of FFVII does seem to constantly bring new people to love it or hate it. The recent "hate wave" is a result of the newest generation to play it(that is the first "new generation" to actually be a new generation) being particularly assinine about their fandom. The "hate wave" is more a counter culture to the new fluff bunny fandom.

Doesn't this also say something about all the FFIX fans nowadays?

In what way, exactly?

Because original, legal copies of the game are continuously being bought, but since Final Fantasy VII is no longer being produced on PS and PC format, the number of copies keeps dwindling. Giving them a reason to jack up the prices.

Sorry if this isnt a good explanationbut it is all that I can come up with right now...


And my recommendation is to buy Final Fantasy VII if it is for 30 dollars or less.

Seriously, the game is actually getting cheaper on ebay! I've been watching the prices throughout the year. Just take a look at this:

Link (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FINAL-FANTASY-VII-FF-7-FF7-PS1-2-NEW-SEALED_W0QQitemZ120189648557QQihZ002QQcategoryZ371 9QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

I do reconmend FF VII and consider it a must have for any FF/rpg fan. As it was said before, try before you buy. My one complaint about it is the pain-in-the-@$$ materia system. But there are faqs and walkthroughs to help with that. Just remember, no game is perfect, no matter how great it is.

In what way, exactly?

Fans trying to "counter culture" FF7 by praising a less popular game.

Anyway, I like FFIX because I played it and I loved it, nothing else.

Dont buy it, I find it highly unlikely that NONE of your friends have the game. Find one who does and borrow it. Play it. Love it. Give it back.

If this was 1997 I'd say you'd HAVE to buy it and keep it an cherish it because the graphics and atmosphere was total win back then. For many people its extremely lacking (although it doesn't bother me at all, but I didn't embrace next gen so...).

But bear in mind that FFVII's problems have nothing to do with the improvements on the techniques in video games; FFVI was vastly superior in many different aspects.

Seriously, the game is actually getting cheaper on ebay! I've been watching the prices throughout the year. Just take a look at this:

Link (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FINAL-FANTASY-VII-FF-7-FF7-PS1-2-NEW-SEALED_W0QQitemZ120189648557QQihZ002QQcategoryZ371 9QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

On the Internet, maybe it goes down because you are open to a wider catalog/ places to buy them. But when I look at local prices at local gaming stores, they keep going up.

IDK

it sucks, just like

exactly Ash and I sympathize with your plite.

JUST LIKE A BUEL SOMETIMES CASTS FIRE

I do reconmend FF VII and consider it a must have for any FF/rpg fan. As it was said before, try before you buy. My one complaint about it is the pain-in-the-@$$ materia system. But there are faqs and walkthroughs to help with that. Just remember, no game is perfect, no matter how great it is.

Are you kidding? The materia system is one of the greatest skill systems Square has ever put in a game. FFVII's biggest flaw was the gaping plot holes lying about.

Are you kidding? The materia system is one of the greatest skill systems Square has ever put in a game. FFVII's biggest flaw was the gaping plot holes lying about.

I found it frustrating to have to level up the materia which takes, like.....forever. Then as you get better weapons,armor, and accessories along the way, you have to rearrange everything for everyone. Also a lot of the time when you want to add something, you most likely have to sacrifice something....
Yeah, sure you can have more than one healer, summoner, etc. But it's a lot of arranging and organizing a little too often for my tastes.
And as for the plot holes: if you go back and visit certain areas, you trigger flash back scenes and get new info which should cover what was left out...some if not all.

Personally, I just didn't like that the materia system completely devalued the characters. With powerful materia, anybody could essentially take any enemy to school. Limit breaks essentially became the differences between the characters in battle, and for me that isn't nearly enough.

...believe the hype with this one, kids.

but uh...really. if you dont want to play ff7 because 'the only difference between characters is their limit breaks' go outside with a stick and whack the shit out of everything you see-make your own damn game. ones on a gaming system must be too good for you

The hype was only a factor depending on the types of games you were used to; I find the kids who tend to worship FF7 haven't played many other games.

But I don't change my stand - I still think it's a good game! And it is still one I would strongly recommend.

Are you kidding? The materia system is one of the greatest skill systems Square has ever put in a game. FFVII's biggest flaw was the gaping plot holes lying about.

totally agree with this, but i have to say that just because there were a few plot holes in the story, this shouldnt put people off it, if you love ff then Vll is an essential purchase.

also, im from england and not so long ago i wanted to start playing ffvll again, but i couldnt for the life of me find my copy, so i spent a couple of weeks looking on markets, and in the end i found one, never been used, seriously the discs were spotless. i bought it only to find my original a month or so later, so i now have two copies. hehe, just thought i share some unimportant info. i didnt relise its so hard to get over in the us.

Personally, I just didn't like that the materia system completely devalued the characters. With powerful materia, anybody could essentially take any enemy to school. Limit breaks essentially became the differences between the characters in battle, and for me that isn't nearly enough.

It's the same with almost any game in the series, bar maybe IX, which basically gave you no control whatsoever over your characters' development, which can be majorly annoying. And the characters did have significant stat differences which certainly made it more effective to give them all set roles.

The most powerful materia were very limited, although you could divide them, but that took ages. The only reason any character could take any enemy to school is largely because of FFVII's poor level of difficulty. The Materia system isn't really to blame, in my opinion.

It's the same with almost any game in the series, bar maybe IX, which basically gave you no control whatsoever over your characters' development, which can be majorly annoying.
Not entirely true. You have choice in what abilities to teach your characters, and what abilities to equip at any one time. In the beginning these are usually no-brainer decision but as the game progresses you will actually have to put some thought into what you spend your AP on for each character. FFIV is the only game in the main series that I can think of that gives you no control over how your characters develop.

As for the topic, if you like both FFVIII and FFIX I can't imagine why you wouldn't like FFVII. As long as you don't have to pay a ridiculous price for it, I would say it's a worthwhile purchase.

Are you kidding? The materia system is one of the greatest skill systems Square has ever put in a game. FFVII's biggest flaw was the gaping plot holes lying about.

lol

The most powerful materia were very limited, although you could divide them, but that took ages. The only reason any character could take any enemy to school is largely because of FFVII's poor level of difficulty. The Materia system isn't really to blame, in my opinion.

I suppose you're right about that; it's not really the materia system that makes the game too easy, but rather KOTR specifically. Really, I think they made it just a little too powerful.

As for devaluing characters, I thought FFVI's balance with the mixture of espers and natural abilities was very good. FFIV didn't really give you a choice of characters, FFIII and FFV used the job system which brings its own set of pros and cons, and FFX was somewhat experimental and used the sphere grid, which ultimately allowed everybody to learn everything, but not really until later in the game. I think these other systems did a better job of having characters with separate abilities and forcing you to find a balance rather than spamming enemy skills and higher level magic. FFI shouldn't be compared because the main characters never even talk and you get to pick their character class, and let's not even talk about FFVIII's broken system.

My complaint about the materia system is that the characters are a little bit too faceless; you can easily replace one of your characters by swapping out their materia. I don't think it's absolutely horrible; hell, I enjoyed FFVII, but I think it just made your party too easily customizable.

imo Final Fantasy VII is the best work Square/Soft/Enix has ever done. It is one of the few games that you could play 3-4 times and not get the whole storyline. FF8 and 9 were really good and their storylines were good too but I believe 7 blows them out of the water. I agree with many of the posts above about the Materia System. It was the best system out of all FF games. It gave you the best option to customize your characters as you see fit. The FF that came close to that would have been 5 and 10-2 *shutters at the thought of 10-2 being an FF*.

I think FFVII is worth it in the end.

Not entirely true. You have choice in what abilities to teach your characters, and what abilities to equip at any one time. In the beginning these are usually no-brainer decision but as the game progresses you will actually have to put some thought into what you spend your AP on for each character. FFIV is the only game in the main series that I can think of that gives you no control over how your characters develop.

As for the topic, if you like both FFVIII and FFIX I can't imagine why you wouldn't like FFVII. As long as you don't have to pay a ridiculous price for it, I would say it's a worthwhile purchase.

I suppose I should have worded that better. My problem is that by Lv 50 all your characters will have the exact same abilities every single time. You can take slightly different means to that end on any given playthrough, but the end will always be the same. It became boring after a couple of playthroughs.


I suppose you're right about that; it's not really the materia system that makes the game too easy, but rather KOTR specifically. Really, I think they made it just a little too powerful.

As for devaluing characters, I thought FFVI's balance with the mixture of espers and natural abilities was very good. FFIV didn't really give you a choice of characters, FFIII and FFV used the job system which brings its own set of pros and cons, and FFX was somewhat experimental and used the sphere grid, which ultimately allowed everybody to learn everything, but not really until later in the game. I think these other systems did a better job of having characters with separate abilities and forcing you to find a balance rather than spamming enemy skills and higher level magic. FFI shouldn't be compared because the main characters never even talk and you get to pick their character class, and let's not even talk about FFVIII's broken system.

My complaint about the materia system is that the characters are a little bit too faceless; you can easily replace one of your characters by swapping out their materia. I don't think it's absolutely horrible; hell, I enjoyed FFVII, but I think it just made your party too easily customizable.

I don't think the characters are entirely without individual merit. For example, if you took Aeris out of your party and switched in Barret, you could give Barret Aeris's materia and the end result in battle would be a character that is quite different in terms of attreibutes. This could actually make Barret a lot less effective, considering Aeris is best used as a spellcaster and Barret as a tank.

can i just say, aquirring KOTR was not meant to be there for beating the game, i mean you wouldnt have used it alot apart from the really hard fights,(weapons etc) and i think it was mostly there as a reward for the nightmare that was breeding a gold chocobo. ffX uses the same idea with the ultimate weapons which had break damage limit, they were used for fight the beast's at the breeding place in the calm lands. its optional is my main point here, just a little extra for people wanting to get everyting out of the game. il end this now as i have gone way off the point

Someone's trying to sell it with the case only $30 on Amazon LOL.

It is one of the few games that you could play 3-4 times and not get the whole storyline.

That's because it was presented so poorly. Not that it was anything special to begin with, but the poor presentation completely kills it.


I agree with many of the posts above about the Materia System. It was the best system out of all FF games.

Yeah, if you're into cookie-cutter characters. The only functional difference between characters is their Limit Breaks. At anywhere near a high level, stats are almost pointless. You can raise many stats with Materia, and all of them with Sources, which aren't entirely difficult to come by. I'm not saying the Materia system's the worst. I just don't think it holds a candle to FFVI's Espers, FFIX's AP, and FFX-2's Dressphere/Garment Grid.


*shutters at the thought of 10-2 being an FF*.

X-2 only did pretty much everything imaginable far better than FFVII.

I AGREE CYANCYDE THE STORY IS HORRIBLE

IT IS LIKE SEPHIROTH JUST WANTS HIS MOMMY THEN IT IS LIKE HE IS A MOMMY AND WANTS HIS KIDS

AND THEN IT IS LIKE CLOUD IS EMO MAN HE IS TOO EMO FOR YOU

ALSO I AGREE MATERIA SYSTEM MAKES GAME LIKE CLOUD IS YUFFIE AND BARRET AND TIFA AND RED XIII MAN IT IS LIKE MAN WE WANT THIS GAME TO BE LIKE EASY HERE IS STUFF YOU GIVE THEM YOU MAKE THEM DO STUFF EVERYBODY DO THE SAME STUFF SO NOBODY IS LIKE SPECIAL THEY HAVE COOL ANIMATION ATTACKS WE SAY THEY ARE COOL NOW THEY LOOK LIKE MAN HORRIBLE

SUIKODEN GAMES A++++ >>>>>> FINAL FANTASY PLAY THEM

EXCEPT IV DON'T PLAY THAT

I AGREE CYANCYDE THE STORY IS HORRIBLE

IT IS LIKE SEPHIROTH JUST WANTS HIS MOMMY THEN IT IS LIKE HE IS A MOMMY AND WANTS HIS KIDS

AND THEN IT IS LIKE CLOUD IS EMO MAN HE IS TOO EMO FOR YOU

ALSO I AGREE MATERIA SYSTEM MAKES GAME LIKE CLOUD IS YUFFIE AND BARRET AND TIFA AND RED XIII MAN IT IS LIKE MAN WE WANT THIS GAME TO BE LIKE EASY HERE IS STUFF YOU GIVE THEM YOU MAKE THEM DO STUFF EVERYBODY DO THE SAME STUFF SO NOBODY IS LIKE SPECIAL THEY HAVE COOL ANIMATION ATTACKS WE SAY THEY ARE COOL NOW THEY LOOK LIKE MAN HORRIBLE

SUIKODEN GAMES A++++ >>>>>> FINAL FANTASY PLAY THEM

EXCEPT IV DON'T PLAY THAT
CAPS.

CAPS.

caps

caps

CAPS

...uhh, ash? that sounded dumb. true, you can swap the materia around from character to character, and its easier to not to have dudes who arent in the party equipped, but at the end, you can have more than one party. then, they can have individual/unique materia, since everyone should be fully equipped.


and none of your acusations make any sense. anyone with followers is a mother? anyone who gets a huge ringing sensation in their heads due to unveiled memories about a forgotten past is an emo?

personally,,, i enjoyed the caps.

I'm having a very hard time figuring out who's the biggest idiot in this train wreck of a thread, but everyone is losing points just for being involved.

Lately there's been a lot of negative criticism about this game and I was wondering where it compares to FF8 and 9.

This game doesn't exactly come cheap. Also the FMVs suck.

If you're that curious would suggest either renting or borrowing the game if you can, and trying it out to see what your own impressions are.

Going by my experience of the game though, my personal opinion is:


nope, its not worth buying, and FF9 is vastly superior.

I'm having a very hard time figuring out who's the biggest idiot in this train wreck of a thread, but everyone is losing points just for being involved.

I thought the thread was going (relatively) okay up to the cap-calling minimod. I was not aware that we were keeping score, but I'd like to read about your stand on this game since you're also involved now.

My stand on the game is an essay in itself, but the nutshell version is that it's an extremely overrated game that was successful due to a combination of random luck, excellent marketing, and sheer stupidity on the part of consumers. The game itself is deeply flawed in nearly every regard and vastly inferior to a great many games before and since, deserving of nothing more than a one-way trip into the abyss almost all games of its mediocre caliber eventually end up in.

since i have no other way of trying this game, i'm buying it

now quit your bitching

IF YOU WERE GOING TO BUY IT WHY THE HECK DID YOU EVEN ASK?

I MEAN THE RESPONSES WERE PRETTY NEGATIVE EXCEPT FOR PEOPLE LIKE "OMG I LOVE THIS GAME IT IS ROXORS FRASIER DANCE PIZZA" MAN YOU ARE NO SOULCAGE

Holy shit, what the hell was the point of this thread? you wanted an opinion and we gave it to you, but you were going to buy it anyway? fuck off.

I WAS CONVINCED TO BUY IT OKAY

lol

Maybe he just wanted to contrast his own opinion as he plays the game with those that we've expressed? Anyhow, it has plenty of problems, but that doesn't mean it can't be fun.

Gosh, Ash, why do you take everything so seriously around here?

IF YOU WERE GOING TO BUY IT WHY THE HECK DID YOU EVEN ASK?

I MEAN THE RESPONSES WERE PRETTY NEGATIVE EXCEPT FOR PEOPLE LIKE "OMG I LOVE THIS GAME IT IS ROXORS FRASIER DANCE PIZZA" MAN YOU ARE NO SOULCAGE

IF YOU WERE GOING TO BUY IT WHY THE HECK DID YOU EVEN ASK?

I MEAN THE RESPONSES WERE PRETTY NEGATIVE EXCEPT FOR PEOPLE LIKE "OMG I LOVE THIS GAME IT IS ROXORS FRASIER DANCE PIZZA" MAN YOU ARE NO SOULCAGE

...Well the "OMG I LOVE THIS GAME IT IS ROXORS FRASIER DANCE PIZZA," people were close to half the posters in this thread too. lol.

i didn't ask if i should buy this game i asked if it was worth buying ;-;

...Well the "OMG I LOVE THIS GAME IT IS ROXORS FRASIER DANCE PIZZA," people were close to half the posters in this thread too. lol.

Actually I didn't see anyone drooling over the game in this thread when comparing to some other posts I've encountered. Which is good I think.

And whatever. he's buying it. Tell us what you think after you're finished Soulcage, but I warn you not to get all fanboy over it if you decide to define it as your game collection centerpiece.

Gosh, Ash, why do you take everything so seriously around here?

Gosh, Ash, why do you take everything so seriously around here?

MAN THE INTERNET IS SERIOUS BUSINESS!!!

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Gosh, Ash, why do you take everything so seriously around here?

FFVII, *sigh* what a great game.... At the time of it's original release it was the first of the Final Fantasy series to have super awesome graphics. (compared to what was then considered "good graphics") The anticipation for a new FF was also a very significant factor in its popularity, as always. I love it because when I was first introduced to it my brother and I were kids. We weren't over analyzing every miniscule detail. We just enjoyed the excitement of a new game. Now I enjoy it because it reminds me of the unadulterated delight we found within that cellophaned *coined* pristine plastic box, so many years ago. I wouldn't get it expecting to disparage its every foible. You must appreciate it for what it is.



Oh yeah, and prak is a dick. ^^

Rioki, I know you're new, but I must warn you that you will, most likely, be criticised for that post. This is a debate forum. Disparging every foible of a game is what we do. Don't take any criticism you do recieve personally, though.

Also, your last shot at Prak was just needless.

Finally, agreeing with the consensus about Ash taking this thread too seriously.

Don't take any criticism you do recieve personally, though.

Also, your last shot at Prak was just needless.


Unless, of course, the criticism comes from Prak himself. Then it's personal.

He wanted to know if the game was worth getting. If you want to ENJOY the game you must look past it flaws, the way I do with Prak... His dickishness is no match for my undying compassion and love for him.

My goodness. How determined are you to prove that you're an idiot?

Unless, of course, the criticism comes from Prak himself. Then it's personal.

Not neccessarily. I know a lot of people don't like Prak for his blunt style, but I usually just take his comments at face value. Initially, I didn't like him, but the longer I've been posting here, I realise he is actually capable of being civil, even friendly, although 'friendly' may be something of an overstatement.

Also, Rioki, enjoying a game and critically analysing it are two different things. I enjoy all the FF games, more or less, but often criticise them, even my favourites.

lol prik kis a dik wut els si nu?

It amazes me how this has been going on ever since I joined this place. So you think he's an asshole, get over it. It's not like he's the only one or, no matter how much he'd like it, the worst.

Man, I hate him with every cell in my body too but you don't hear me complaining all the time about it, do you? Grow some balls.

I am not an idiot, nor am trying to subsist as one. I am simply pointing out that those that do not fancy FFVII are the ones that spend all of their time seeking its flaws. I follow many posts of Prak's and I take pleasure in reading what he has to say. I stated that he is a dick, teasingly and I see that he responded... just as I wanted.

I think I have to dissect this one.


I am not an idiot, nor am trying to subsist as one.

My only response is a fit of condescending raucous laughter.


I am simply pointing out that those that do not fancy FFVII are the ones that spend all of their time seeking its flaws.

Only people who don't like it mention its flaws, you say? Did I translate this properly or is it even more retarded than it looks?


I follow many posts of Prak's and I take pleasure in reading what he has to say.

How nice. Stick to reading, for you fail at posting.


I stated that he is a dick, teasingly and I see that he responded... just as I wanted.

OH NO! HOW COULD I FALL INTO SUCH AN OBVIOUS INSIDIOUS TRAP? :rolleyes:

Prak u r a prik

lol tm wut a cnut u r

I stated that he is a dick, teasingly and I see that he responded... just as I wanted.

This is the weakest excuse for anything, ever.

Lame? Or incredibly awesome?

Lame as can fucking be you little shit.

My you all are ever so titillating....

I don't know, RIOKI. You fight your battles like the guys who ran WWI: without a fucking clue. Wouldn't it be better to just post smartly, instead of trying to outdo Prak? Meh, maybe I'm hoping for too much here...

*giggles* I get off, not to the thought of conquering Prak and his almighty rein.... but of becoming the enemy of such an ego....

*giggles* I get off, not to the thought of conquering Prak and his almighty rein.... but of becoming the enemy of such an ego....

Oh so you're just someone who takes internet stuff way too seriously? My bad.

Prak, with a "rein". hahaha

work = nothing to do

I just figured I would take the time that I have, to play with Prak which also has the syndrome...

work = nothing to do

Laughing at "rein" also.

Very good catch.

I'm just laughing at the people who thought my comment about Ash was serious.

I am laughing at this entire thread, especially Rioki's pitifull attempts to make us look like fools.

I am laughing at this entire thread, especially Rioki's pitifull attempts to make us look like fools.

When did I attempt to make you look foolish?

I am laughing at this entire thread.

Rioki, you remind me somewhat of sephith, only with decent grammar.

Holy shit, Fair could not be that stupid, his ban is up in like 3 days.


When did I attempt to make you look foolish?

Because you are trying to be a smartass, but you are failing, very, very badly.

Guys, lay off this one. There's no entertainment to be had here, and she might actually be decent if she figures out how things work on this site.

OK

i'm going to play this game sometime and see if it was worth the money (like $60)

i will be taking into account the materia system since it has been argued over in this thread and i will try to be as unbiased as possible during play and then report my opinions

Just one question:

Does every thread in this forum turn out this way?

Most of the crappy ones, yes.

Most of the crappy ones, yes.what you are implying upsets me

Most of the crappy ones, yes.

FFVII, *sigh* what a great game.... At the time of it's original release it was the first of the Final Fantasy series to have super awesome graphics. (compared to what was then considered "good graphics") The anticipation for a new FF was also a very significant factor in its popularity, as always. I love it because when I was first introduced to it my brother and I were kids. We weren't over analyzing every miniscule detail. We just enjoyed the excitement of a new game. Now I enjoy it because it reminds me of the unadulterated delight we found within that cellophaned *coined* pristine plastic box, so many years ago. I wouldn't get it expecting to disparage its every foible. You must appreciate it for what it is.



Oh yeah, and prak is PINK. ^^
Prak, is he really pink?


I do agree that one of it's selling points at the time was the transition between 2D cg, and 3D environments. The 3D polygon models used back then sometimes made the characters uglier, but it still set itself apart from other game attempts.

The FMVs were also quite the task, I think the total time clocked higher than JK Dark Forces II back then, which was a feat.

The quality of FFVII has been discussed to death guys, so stop trying to bri*interrupted by loud fart*

Sorry, couldn't finish that thought.

lol

*discusses the quality of FFVII*

*rebukes for attempting structural discussion*

The quality of FFVII has been discussed to death guys, so stop trying to bri*interrupted by loud fart*

Sorry, couldn't finish that thought.

rofl

7 is a good game but yep 9 is the world better 7 would be better if the graphics didn't suck

VII's problem was definitely not just the graphics; it has poorly constructed gameplay and storyline. You are certainly right that IX is much better, though.

VII's problem was it just sucked. You are certainly right that IX is much better, though.

Do you ever post something that isn't a quote, 1338? Or a repeat of a quote in the very same thread?

Sheesh, take the puppeteer's hand out of the ol' posterior and mix in some of your own words, eh?

Yes...occasionally... but usually it is in Garamond's Forum so therefore it is a pointless post...

I still heven't seen this Garamond.

this is Garamond (http://forums.ffshrine.org/member.php?u=49645)

This is also Garamond (http://forums.ffshrine.org/member.php?u=73)

I'm emotionally disturbed by this thread, as it started off as an intelligent discussion and has completely confabulated into a hienous monster of unorchestrated size and proportion. Even seasoned veterans have fell to this graveyard of a thread, attempting to present points of intelligence -- have only contributed even more fuel to the fire of mockery, and pure comedy. This thread - basically is an incinerator of intelligent think. Anything and everything that is discussed here, from this point on will be casted off into the lake of no-one-really-cares. I've seen this thread become a pure laughing stock before my very eyes. I'm just gonna go.

hahahaha

are you on crack?

I'm emotionally disturbed by this thread, as it started off as an intelligent discussion and has completely confabulated into a hienous monster of unorchestrated size and proportion. Even seasoned veterans have fell to this graveyard of a thread, attempting to present points of intelligence -- have only contributed even more fuel to the fire of mockery, and pure comedy. This thread - basically is an incinerator of intelligent think. Anything and everything that is discussed here, from this point on will be casted off into the lake of no-one-really-cares. I've seen this thread become a pure laughing stock before my very eyes. I'm just gonna go.

This is fucking hilarious.

It's a rare game now so go find one at eBay or you local retailer.

Bunch of bullshit I posted in the hopes I will be taken seriously.

No one cares what you have to say. Thanks for complaining about the thread and, in turn, keep it alive and shit it up even more.

Really, what part does evolution play in these guys' development? It boggles the goddamn mind.

Well I've been playing the game and I don't see anything glaringly wrong with it besides the sometimes retarded text ("This guy are sick"; what was even the purpose of the guy in the pipe? ...unless I missed something). Right now I'm in the middle Cloud talking about his past with Sephiroth and stuff in Kalm.

Well I've been playing the game and I don't see anything glaringly wrong with it besides the sometimes retarded text ("This guy are sick"; what was even the purpose of the guy in the pipe? ...unless I missed something).

I thought that to begin with as well, till I'd played much further into the game.

Of course, you might think differently to me by the time you've completed it - but for me personally it was around the end of the second disk/start of the third I began noticing things which changed my first impressions.

I have a question: Why is everyone always comlaining about the bosses in the Temple of the Ancients? They are fucking easy.

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i beat the game months ago and i'd just like to say that it sucks and i will never touch it again

Make a thread next time...

god i just realized how much of a troll i am

FFVII isn't really worth buying anymore unless you really like the story, and in that case, you should invest in the entire compilation.

Crisis Core is way better than FFVII imho.

FFVIII and FFIX are absolutely amazing titles. And FFX was definitely groundbreaking.

If you don't want to spend money on FFVII - FFIX, I recommend getting an emulator and just downloading them...


....But I didn't say that >.>

FFIX was the first FF I ever played (but not the first one I ever beat, mind you). For that reason alone, I hold it near and dear to my heart. Then I played FFVII, and it became my favorite. To this day I'm not entirely sure why. I grew attatched to the characters and was moved by the plot and music (regardless of how shitty the audio quality was/is). Sure I'd seen better graphics, but frankly I don't need pretty visuals to enjoy my games (it certainly looks nice and makes staring at the screen that much more enjoyable, but still).

You're an FFIX fan, yes? Well so am I. Let me compare the two for you:

MUSIC: FFIX is, in many ways, in my humble opinion, Uematsu's greatest work to date. I'm hard pressed to find a track I DON'T like in the album. For me, the same holds true for FFVII's score, but for a different reason: I find it more charming, if that's the word for it, with WAY more memorable tracks (Tifa's Theme, Mako Reactor, Anxious Heart, J-E-N-O-V-A, Aerith's Theme, Can You Hear the Cry of the Planet?, and One-Winged Angel, to name a few). Though the sound quality is poor, it's still my favorite game album of all time, to this day (the only other soundtrack to nearly top it is Crisis Core's - maybe it did, I'm just too ashamed to admit it lol).

VISUALS: No contest here. FFIX outmatches FFVII in nearly every way (cleaner, more "realistic" character models and movements, breathtaking CG cutscenes, yet graphically similar world maps and pre-rendered backgrounds).

STORY: This is a toughie for me. FFVII's story, to me, felt more realistic, and therefore I related to it more. When I say "realistic" I mean that it dealt with many real-life issues (i.e. pollution, corruption, loss, identity crises, etc.). FFIX's story, however, is more "fantastic" than VII's. It's plot is more intricate and pulls at your heartstrings a little harder (especially during disc two when everyone reunites at a certain castle...).

GAMEPLAY: FFIX's gameplay is simple and uniform with the rest of the series, with the exceptions being the Ability and Trance systems. Holding on to your gear a little longer before you upgrade to learn its abilities that will help bunches down the line is super cool, in my opinion. Trance is also awesome...but only when your characters don't get knocked into it in a regular random encounter, emptying your bar for the next fight whether you used it or not. FFVII's Materia system is genious. It's simple and convenient (seeing as how the Materia levels itself up separately from the user, so some one in your party with one Materia can give it to some one else with the same experience and abilities intact). The Limit Break system is also well executed in VII, since you can save it for whenever you want to use it (it doesn't force you to enter it like in IX).

LEADING MEN: Cloud: the angsty, big-sword-wielding, "spikey-headed jerk" that a lot of people love and just as many people hate. Personally, he's my favorite. He has flaws just like everyone else, a dark and mysterious past, and prefers to go it alone whenever possible. Watching him grow as a person throughout the narrative is just great. He really pulls a 360. Zidane, on the other hand, is unlike any FF character I have ever seen. He's NOT angsty or bitchy, he cracks witty jokes, and loves the shit out of girls. He SHOULD be my favorite, but he's my second favorite (only because Cloud is Cloud, and therefore must be first. Can't explain it, don't ask).

So there you have it. My comparison. You've probably made your choice already, seeing as how this thread has already gone on for five or so pages, but I hope it helps you, in any case.

HOLY CRAP! Someone that played FFIX first and still says VII is is better. I really think you are letting the rabid fanbase get to you.

FFVII isn't really worth buying anymore unless you really like the story, and in that case, you should invest in the entire compilation.

Crisis Core is way better than FFVII imho.

FFVIII and FFIX are absolutely amazing titles. And FFX was definitely groundbreaking.

If you don't want to spend money on FFVII - FFIX, I recommend getting an emulator and just downloading them...


....But I didn't say that >.>

How someone can say VII is crap and VIII is amazing is mind boggling.

How someone can say VII is crap and VIII is amazing is mind boggling.

I would say that time and time again!
VII sucked like all out for me. Atleast VIII had some cut-scenes that didn't look like re-fried garbage mixed with Pixar animation. VIII's story was better than VII's no matter how cliche they both were. The gameplay was a lot more fun. The characters were a hell of a lot more likeable in VIII. I hated every one in VII. The battle system, as broken as it was, was more fun than VII's.

How someone can say VII is crap and VIII is amazing is mind boggling.

Allow me to jump on the mind-boggling bandwagon.

Basically what Jeff said. I'd rather have a junction system than materia, as broken as it may be, and at least the characters had some degree of battle-personality compared to VII's. The only difference between what the characters could do in VII was limit breaks, which nearly all of were basically the same, just doing amounts of damage, and all were learned the same way. Sure there were a few exceptions (hi Tifa, Aeris, and Cait Sith), but other than that, they're almost all the same for the most part just with different names and animations. Limit breaks in VIII were also the only character difference, but they all functioned differently and were learned differently. I don't care how cheap it is that all they had to do was be yellow, still, rather than than have VII's same way of learning them for everyone.
The GF system is debatable but I actually liked it better, I prefer summons like in VIII and X when they're more than just stronger magic spells that use more MP and have fun animations, like VII and IX.
Also agreed about liking the characters better, fuck all the morons that complain about certain characters being "emo", like in X as well, that is the idea! Cloud is just the same average "hero figure" like the rest of them. VIII's story has it's faults, but it's still better than VII's that people waste their time deeply analyzing.

Also the score is infinitely better. I won't go into that like I usually do, but I'll just say, it's truly mind boggling how people who orgasm to One Winged Angel or Aeris's Theme call VIII's soundtrack crap.

How someone can say VII is crap and VIII is amazing is mind boggling.

I didn't say it was crap.

I just meant that it was well and truly surpassed by it's sequels.

FFVII remains a stale, dated, and a paint-by-numbers sub-par RPG.

Meh, we could argue about the faults of each game until we're all bleeding from the fingers so I won't engage in debate.

But basically you guys are saying, both these toys are smashed to bits... but this one is shinier. =/

That's an awesome analogy Swami, I'm impressed. :O