the gameplay is so boring, you dont have to do anything but to choose an option from the menu.

the story sucks too, nothing is new, its so predictable. maybe the game is only good at 2001. i think the characters are so lame, too. and so many things that dont add up.

now i have the control of the airship, and i was trying to get the ultimate weapons, but the process is so time-consuming and pointless. im just gonna go to the end and finish it. its like a boring book, but i have to finish it.


i was just wondering why do you find ff10 is a good game? maybe there's something i missed?

the gameplay is so boring, you dont have to do anything but to choose an option from the menu.

As opposed to every other FF, right? lol

Also, worst review ever.

How's about some actual reasons why you think these sort of things, why are the charecters lame? why is the story predictable and boring? what things dont add up? supply these, and I might give a damn about what you have to say, because at the moment:


maybe the game is only good at 2001
what.

you dont have to do anything but to choose an option from the menu.
You're an idiot.

also:


worst review ever.

the gameplay is so boring, you dont have to do anything but to choose an option from the menu.

the story sucks too, nothing is new, its so predictable. maybe the game is only good at 2001. i think the characters are so lame, too. and so many things that dont add up.

now i have the control of the airship, and i was trying to get the ultimate weapons, but the process is so time-consuming and pointless. im just gonna go to the end and finish it. its like a boring book, but i have to finish it.


i was just wondering why do you find ff10 is a good game? maybe there's something i missed?

Well, firstly, the gameplay is no different from any FF game I-X-2. Except, of course, you're not sitting around twiddling your thumbs waiting for the ATB to fill. And there's an element of tactics with the CTB system. I'd say those are positive changes, but if you want to try and argue otherwise, please do. Be aware though that you do have to provide a reason.

The story does not suck, and nor do the characters. FFX was the first of the PSX/2 era to really give full attention to all its characters and develop them equally, rather than basing the game around a core of main characters and tending to neglect others. VIII is the worst offender for this, but VII and even IX are guilty occasionally.

As for the things that don't add up, would you care to elaborate?

Getting ultimate weapons are a huge drag, granted, but they're hardly necessary. You can easily complete the game and enjoy all it's features without them. They're just some thing for uber-grinders to aim for, things that are in every Final Fantasy.

the gameplay is so boring, you dont have to do anything but to choose an option from the menu.
Like Espanha said, every FF is like that. I mean, SERIOUSLY.

Also, FFX is an RPG, and almost every RPG is like that.


the story sucks too, nothing is new, its so predictable. maybe the game is only good at 2001. i think the characters are so lame, too. and so many things that dont add up.
Because you didn't take the time to understand it, I presume.


now i have the control of the airship, and i was trying to get the ultimate weapons, but the process is so time-consuming and pointless. im just gonna go to the end and finish it. its like a boring book, but i have to finish it.
Don't even bother getting the ultimate weapons. You don't deserve them anyway.


i was just wondering why do you find ff10 is a good game? maybe there's something i missed?
You missed everything. :(

well, maybe i didnt give you a good reason why i didnt like the game, but you didnt give a good reason why you think this game is good either.
for those who think anyone disagrees with them is an idiot, you are immature just like those characters in ffx
its just my opinion, if you want to argue, please do, just try to be respectful.

my reasons:
one thing i find disturbing about this game is when tidus is on the ship to kilika, he tells yuna his father was dead 10 years ago. but wakka and rikku already told tidus its 1000 years after. doesnt tidus mean 1010 years ago? quote tidus: "My old man, he died. Ten years ago, off the coast of Zanarkand."
i asked my friend about this, he said later in the game it will explain. i didnt finish the game yet, but i figured tidus is just plain stupid or its a mistake of the game creators. i hope it will explain it later in the game or i maybe misunderstood.
its like the movie "war of the worlds", when aliens attack, all extricity is gone. but a digital camera is still working. i stoped watching the movie immediately at that point.

like i said, you dont have to do a lot things with gameplay, just watch the overdrive animations over and over again.
is that supposed to be fun?

the opening piano of the game is ok, but the in game sounds are really annoying

and i dont know about you, but i dont find the story appealing, its really naive. i didnt see any major character's growth whatsoever. they are just fighting everything in their way regardlessly to achieve the really cliche goal- to save the world, is that what all about?
then its like every other boring rpg games, theres nothing special about ff10.

about the final weapons, they are part of the game, and i thought they were like extra fun. but they are just meanless wast of time.

is it really necessary to have 7 characters in the team. character like kimari, most people hardly use him, and he does not contribute much to the story. a game really doesnt need alot characters, all it needs is one or two unique and fresh characters that people will remember.

another thing is yuna keeps everyone her gardian. like yuna wants tidus to be her gardian at the begining, she doesnt even know him. is tidus that attractive that yuna wants him to be her gardian? and why dose yuna want rikku to be her gardian? does yuna meet rikku before? maybe its because they are related somehow. so its like every one can be her gardian, her friends, lover, relative, her fathers gardian, and kimari.

i think yuna's father and jechet and auron are three distinct people. playing their pilgrimage may be actually more fun.

whats the point of time travelling from one fictional world to another fictional world? is it just trying to be fancy and confusing? the whole game is about stats and equipments. maybe all rpgs are like that. but why people recommend ff10? whats the point of playing this game? did you have fun when you were playing or did you learn anything?

i bought ff12 also, but im not sure am i going to play it, since many people say the story in ff10 is better. i cant imagine how a story can get worse than ff10, or maybe its actually better.

my reasons:
one thing i find disturbing about this game is when tidus is on the ship to kilika, he tells yuna his father was dead 10 years ago. but wakka and rikku already told tidus its 1000 years after. doesnt tidus mean 1010 years ago? quote tidus: "My old man, he died. Ten years ago, off the coast of Zanarkand."
i asked my friend about this, he said later in the game it will explain. i didnt finish the game yet, but i figured tidus is just plain stupid or its a mistake of the game creators. i hope it will explain it later in the game or i maybe misunderstood.

You're griping about something without knowing the full events of the game so this whole point is null and void for now.


like i said, you dont have to do a lot things with gameplay, just watch the overdrive animations over and over again.
is that supposed to be fun?

That's up to each player's mode of play. I can tell you I used Aeons once and never again, juts because I wanted to see what they looked like (or in the event I was forced to use them, but that's beside the point), so if you're complaining about only watching the Aeon animations, you need to find new game strategies. Additionally, if they bother you so, you can choose to shorten them in the Options menu.


is it really necessary to have 7 characters in the team. character like kimari, most people hardly use him, and he does not contribute much to the story. a game really doesnt need alot characters, all it needs is one or two unique and fresh characters that people will remember.

I hope you have a gripe with every FF game then. Also, your opinion about Kimahri is just that: your opinion. My own is that he was a great character to have in battle and the only one in the FFX cast that allowed for customization if you played with the classic Sphere Board.


another thing is yuna keeps everyone her gardian. like yuna wants tidus to be her gardian at the begining, she doesnt even know him. is tidus that attractive that yuna wants him to be her gardian? and why dose yuna want rikku to be her gardian? does yuna meet rikku before? maybe its because they are related somehow. so its like every one can be her gardian, her friends, lover, relative, her fathers gardian, and kimari.

A guardian is someone a summoner could trust. Given Jecht had been Braska's guardian and that turned out great, Yuna felt Tidus would be a good guardian like his father. Plus, love at first sight, doncha know?

Rikku is Yuna's cousin and an Al Bhed. Given Yuna is half Al Bhed herself, when they meet near Guadosalam, I expect Rikku explained to her and Lulu (they had that little meeting, remember) who sent her and why. Yuna wouldn't give up her pilgrimage but I think they worked out a compromise, in that Rikku became a guardian. I'm giving you my own insight into the events.


but why people recommend ff10? whats the point of playing this game? did you have fun when you were playing or did you learn anything?

Why do people recommend anything? Why don't they recommend some things? Because different people have diferent tastes and opinions. You sound like a 10-year-old throwing that question around.


i bought ff12 also, but im not sure am i going to play it, since many people say the story in ff10 is better. i cant imagine how a story can get worse than ff10, or maybe its actually better.

So you bought a game, but don't know if you're going to play it because of what people say? Why did you buy it, then? Also, if your opinion is so easily swayed by what people say, don't buy anything ever again. The world doesn't need you =/

But ok, here's a solution: play it anyway and judge for yourself. I mean, you already bought it, right?

I think FF XII's story is better, actually. Tidus and Yuna's relationship was touching, but the story fell apart near the end of the game imo.

FF XII, while not being a romance story, was more focused on it's main plot points and didn't try to put plot twist after plot twist just for the sake of it (that Yu Yeven thing was totally shit to me).
The only bad thing I can say about its story is that it gets diluted too much by the many "farming" sessions you have to go through in-between each story events.

for those who think anyone disagrees with them is an idiot, you are immature just like those characters in ffx


You're an idiot for your reasons, not nescessarly for not having the same opinion, I mean just look at your first post.

Why would anyone start a fucking thread, in a F.F. forum, saying how a FF sucks. Why .
It's okay if you can't see the beauty of FFX, but it's just stupid to create a thread in the FFX forum just to dis it.

It's a discussion forum, not a "masturbate on the game in question" forum. Stop being a fucktard, Miss Ermis.

It's a discussion forum, not a "masturbate on the game in question" forum. Stop being a fucktard, Miss Ermis.

I'll be damned , Prick.

Haha, that Prick insult is really getting old.

I suggest Prat

I think FF XII's story is better, actually. Tidus and Yuna's relationship was touching, but the story fell apart near the end of the game imo.

FF XII, while not being a romance story, was more focused on it's main plot points and didn't try to put plot twist after plot twist just for the sake of it (that Yu Yeven thing was totally shit to me).
The only bad thing I can say about its story is that it gets diluted too much by the many "farming" sessions you have to go through in-between each story events.

Going to have to disagree with you here Hynad. The late plot twist made FFX a little anti-climactic, but right up until the end of the Zanarkand Ruins the game was brilliant. Yu Yevon sucked in general, but FFX in general ruled. You can't take the last 3% or so of the game which was a bit disappointing and ignore the 97% or so which was good.

Conversely, though I quite liked it in the end, I could name several times FFXII's plot got the better of me and I had to turn it off and start again in the morning. Although the plot turns out to be really good, it's a little too broken up by poor pacing. Adding dialogue cutscenes at certain points would have improved the game tenfold, even if that dialogue was just relative 'small talk' that only slightly added to the characters and plot. Rather that than walking through 3 or 4 areas without any dialogue, anyway.

thanks for those who were being helpful.

those who contributed nothing and been immature, please dont replay anymore. its a waste of internet space and a waste of time to read.

Why would anyone start a fucking thread, in a F.F. forum, saying how a FF sucks. Why .
It's okay if you can't see the beauty of FFX, but it's just stupid to create a thread in the FFX forum just to dis it.

Its not uncommon for people to dislike a game in a game series. And there is no problem debating about it at all!

thanks for those who were being helpful.

those who contributed nothing and been immature, please dont replay anymore. its a waste of internet space and a waste of time to read.

lawl.

Personally, I didn't really appreciate X until I played X-2. But that only upped my appreciation marginally, as I still think it's an overall sucky game. Too linear for my taste, dears.

>.> I liked the Yu Yevon thing.
How such a tiny buggy thing caused so much stupid destruction for 1000 years...

Although kinda pissed me off in the end fights.

i was just wondering why do you find ff10 is a good game? maybe there's something i missed?

what's a matter chump? too much fun for ya? go back to ur retarded ff7 lol

My $0.02:
FFX had people creaming their pants because
1) it was the first FF on the PS2
2) the graphics were spectacular
3) the story reeked of Japanese-anime plot cliches
4) curmudgeonly sake-swilling ronin, busty S&M goth chick, and spunky blond jailbait chick.

I've complained about the game in other threads before. I'm not upset about the sub-par voice acting. I'm not upset that Tidus got smoked. I'm not upset that he was even "just a dream" (didn't anyone learn not to use the "dream" cliche after Dallas - do any of you even remember Dallas?).

No, sir. What pissed me off was how hurried the ending was...it literally made no sense logically or dramatically. The game was riveting, if not a little linear and slow-moving for 90% of the time. The sidequests were hard as SHIT (lightning, seagulls, blitzball), but I was willing to forgive. It was the complete lack of a meaningful climax to the story that angered me. Yu Yevon...what the fuck was that? That was even lamer than FFix's "Necron."

My $0.02:
FFX had people creaming their pants because
1) it was the first FF on the PS2
2) the graphics were spectacular
3) the story reeked of Japanese-anime plot cliches
4) curmudgeonly sake-swilling ronin, busty S&M goth chick, and spunky blond jailbait chick.

I've complained about the game in other threads before. I'm not upset about the sub-par voice acting. I'm not upset that Tidus got smoked. I'm not upset that he was even "just a dream" (didn't anyone learn not to use the "dream" cliche after Dallas - do any of you even remember Dallas?).

No, sir. What pissed me off was how hurried the ending was...it literally made no sense logically or dramatically. The game was riveting, if not a little linear and slow-moving for 90% of the time. The sidequests were hard as SHIT (lightning, seagulls, blitzball), but I was willing to forgive. It was the complete lack of a meaningful climax to the story that angered me. Yu Yevon...what the fuck was that? That was even lamer than FFix's "Necron."

See my reply earlier in this thread. The ending was crap (albeit not totally meaningless, as you seem to believe), but it certainly isn't the first FF game to recieve a questionable conclusion or, as in the case of FFVII, an incomplete one. Also, you're ignoring the 97% of the game that was good and your other gripes are really superficial things that I cannot take seriously. For example, you don't like the voice acting? Press the mute button on your remote control. In fact, I think you can turn the voiceovers off in the menu, though I may be wrong (been a while since I've played X). And your stereotyping of the characters shows again that you look at superficial appearances rather than actual character development.

Finally, quite why people keep complaining about blitzball being hard truly baffles me. Blitz is very easy if you have any level of competence and/or are willing to persist with it for more than 5 minutes.

Ceidwad_yr_Arfau: your reasons for dismissing our complains about FF X are crappy at best. Saying it's not the first FF to have some of the flaws isn't a valid argument. We are not comparing it to any other FFs. And even if we did, the different combinations of flaws put together would make a game better or worse depending how they are handled. As far as your 97% goes, that is YOUR 97%.
It's a really silly thing to do to put a % to what is good in a game. It's totally arbitrary and cannot apply to everyone who played the game. Take me for example, you shot this 97% crap at my last post, completely showing me you didn't understand a thing about what I said. I'll repeat here: The only thing I liked, the only thing that "clicked" for me in FFX was the way they handled Tidus and Yuna's relationship. It was heart-breaking and moving (even if the voice acting was annoying at times, it was still heartfelt -- God, how I hate Tidus' voice). That part of the storyline that I liked is overshadowed by the rest of the story elements. To me, this is where the 97 percent comes into play. If I could put such a number, I'd say that 90 percent of the story revolve around things that are fillers and were totally boring to me. If a RPG's story can't hook me, then I won't enjoy playing it. That's what happened when I played FF X.

Now if you were able to overlook all the lame plot fillers and the overall gameplay flaws and still enjoy the game, all the better for you. There is no denying that these flaws are still there, and that to many gamers, they were enough to label this FF as one of the worst in the series. The same as with FFVII. Some are able to overlook some of the flaws to enjoy the rest. Some are just annoyed by them and become bored and/or pissed playing the game.

Also, why the hell would you call Terabyte superficial? I read her comment, and just can't seem to see where she would come accross as superficial... Come on Ceidwad, come up with some valid arguments if you so wish to defend FFX. I thought you could do that somehow, back then when we were arguing FF XII's case.

In any case, it's all very subjective and trying to argue like you do ("Yeah, but it's been done before and bla bla...") won't change the way the players enjoyed the game or not.


Note: You cannot switch off the voice-over in FFX. Just the subtitles.



Post Scriptum: Don't take my harsh words too personaly. I'm tired right now and write in a pissed way.

I think FF XII's story is better, actually. Tidus and Yuna's relationship was touching, but the story fell apart near the end of the game imo.

FF XII, while not being a romance story, was more focused on it's main plot points and didn't try to put plot twist after plot twist just for the sake of it (that Yu Yeven thing was totally shit to me).
The only bad thing I can say about its story is that it gets diluted too much by the many "farming" sessions you have to go through in-between each story events.
Okay... I really have to say something. I disagree with this statement. The thing is, in my opinion, FFX's story was more interesting then FFXII's. Why? Because FFX has many plot twists that keeps you guessing and guessing, which is what we call excitement. That's what every good game needs to have.

FFXII - This is just like one of those games, where you just collect stuff before the bad guy becomes so powerful not even Sephiroth can kick his ass.
Mind you, when I found out I have to look for Gilgamesh during a hunt mission, that was the only time I was actually excited about the game. The other parts of the game seemed so dull. All you seem to be doing is following the party, collecting stuff - either a sword, a stone, or an esper. :(

Preface: I do not purport to be able to change your mind.

Yui, I think you're right, FFX has a lot of plot twists. The problem is that all the twists fail to cohere in any meaningful way. The characters are not developed enough to be likable for any players older than, say, nineteen. The dialog is filled with long, awkward pauses. True, there is a heart-wrenching love story in FFX (that was not present in FFXII), but it takes place between two characters who are fairly flat and not well-defined.

Oh, and Hynad, I'm a woman. ;)

FFX sucked because Tidus was a pussy and Yuna wasn't hot.

There, I said it. Quite yer yammering. :-P

Also, the follow-up game, FFX-2, was more lame than any fanboy's wet dream of Lulu ever could be.. Which, in turn, only extenuated it's negative points.


thanks for those who were being helpful.

those who contributed nothing and been immature, please dont replay anymore. its a waste of internet space and a waste of time to read.

Here's a contribution; learn how to spell and work on your grammar and sentence structure. You wouldn't be near as disliked as you are if you typed a seemingly-intelligent post, despite what debatable content you'd fill it with.


i bought ff12 also, but im not sure am i going to play it, since many people say the story in ff10 is better. i cant imagine how a story can get worse than ff10, or maybe its actually better.

You, sir (or madam), have too much money. If peoples' opinions sway you that much, you should invest in the stock market and put your money to a better use.

Yui, I think you're right, FFX has a lot of plot twists. The problem is that all the twists fail to cohere in any meaningful way. The characters are not developed enough to be likable for any players older than, say, nineteen. The dialog is filled with long, awkward pauses. True, there is a heart-wrenching love story in FFX (that was not present in FFXII), but it takes place between two characters who are fairly flat and not well-defined.
The plot twists actually cohere in a meaningful way. There have been hints throughout the game that all connects to the big plot itself - Yu Yevon and Spira's spiral of death. Please do explain what you don't understand about the plot, and I'll be happy to explain it to you.

Not well-defined and fairly flat? Tidus's maturity grew over the course of the game. His adventures with the group made him grow emotionally. Yuna, before, was a weak summoner and relying on beliefs, but now she has gone through so much obstacles, she became a strong-willed summoner who can be on her own.

The dialogue is actually much better than FFXII's. It's actually interesting, and humorous at times. Mind you, I'd rather watch Lord of the Rings than play FFXII - those two are about at the same level but LOTR wins though.

YAWN at the "my dick is bigger than yours" debate.



Also: Terabyte, sorry for my mistake. I edited my last comment to put the proper gender.

well at fitst i found it BORING but when u meet Yuna n get valfore dats when it started to get good.

The reason u might not b into ffx is cause u might not like dem sorta games ffx is boring sometimes but its hard to stop playing

well at fitst i found it BORING but when u meet Yuna n get valfore dats when it started to get good.

The reason u might not b into ffx is cause u might not like dem sorta games ffx is boring sometimes but its hard to stop playing

Stupidity preserved for posterity.

I recommend putting the argument on hold in favor of mocking this dumbass.

well at fitst i found it BORING but when u meet Yuna n get valfore dats when it started to get good.

The reason u might not b into ffx is cause u might not like dem sorta games ffx is boring sometimes but its hard to stop playing

What the fuck does that even mean?

I'm starting to suspect shenanigans, actually.

Shenanigans can never be ruled out, possibly a sock puppet of the idiot who made this thread, if not, then holy shit I fear for mankind.

well at fitst i found it BORING but when u meet Yuna n get valfore dats when it started to get good.

The reason u might not b into ffx is cause u might not like dem sorta games ffx is boring sometimes but its hard to stop playing

this CAN'T be a real person.

Finally, quite why people keep complaining about blitzball being hard truly baffles me. Blitz is very easy if you have any level of competence and/or are willing to persist with it for more than 5 minutes.

Same here. I've never understood that either. I'm surprised there aren't more complaints about the lack of challenge in the game if anything.

Just in case anyone who hasn't played the game is still reading, please be advised hefty spoilers await in this post.


Ceidwad_yr_Arfau: your reasons for dismissing our complaints about FF X are crappy at best. Saying it's not the first FF to have some of the flaws isn't a valid argument. We are not comparing it to any other FFs. And even if we did, the different combinations of flaws put together would make a game better or worse depending how they are handled. As far as your 97% goes, that is YOUR 97%.

I'm certainly not dismissing your complaints. I agree with them (up to a certain extent), but I'm merely arguing that those complaints should not stop you from enjoying something when it does other things well. Since many of a game's detractors like games that also happen to have the same flaws that they criticise FFX for, that is my way of showing that those complaints, while valid, are only so if applied to every game.

And we are comparing with other FFs, anyway. My initial reply to your post was a response to the argument that FFXII's story was better than FFX's.


It's a really silly thing to do to put a % to what is good in a game. It's totally arbitrary and cannot apply to everyone who played the game. Take me for example, you shot this 97% crap at my last post, completely showing me you didn't understand a thing about what I said.

The % is maybe oversimplifying it a bit, but I was rushed at the time of posting that and didn't really have time to go through exactly why I feel 97% of FFX is good.

So here goes. The main complaints that have been put in this thread (and others) are:

-The plot is too linear/not enough side areas/minigames etc.

This is often the first complaint levelled at the game, but it is not true in my opinion. There are quite a few occasions where you can do an optional quest which fills in parts of the plot, as well as other sidequests and minigames. The optional areas include the Sunken Cave where you find Yojimbo and learn a lot about Lulu's past, Remiem Temple where you discover Belgimine's past as well as Baaj Temple and the Omega Ruins, even if the latter two only become available near the end and the first two by the time you arrive at the Calm Lands. The sidequests and minigames are well-known. Getting the greatest rewards from them can be tiresome, but if you just play them to enjoy them and get the lesser rewards, as I do, they complement the main plot well. We had a debate about the relative merits of blitz and the cardgames in the last FFX debate thread, and I'm sure you, like me, do not wish to drag that up again.

-The characters (to use terabyte's exact words) 'are only likeable by players younger than nineteen'.

In my opinion that is wrong. terabyte is judging the characters based on the most prevalent aspect of their personalities. Eg, she sees Rikku as 'the spunky blond jailbait chick'. And she sees her as just that, and takes her at face value ie 'what you see is what you get'. She doesn't bother to go looking into why Rikku is like that. If she did, she would be able to see that Rikku takes that attitude because of several factors. For example, she is an Al Bhed. Al Bhed, as I'm sure you know, are disliked by a good proportion of Spira and the subject of much predjudice. Furthermore, she and her fellow Al Bhed, unlike the rest of Spira, take steps to actually face the realities of Spira and solve them rather than relying on their religion in the hope that 'complete atonement' will defeat Sin. Rikku actually has to face up to these realities. That is why she and her fellow Al Bhed try to capture summoners, to make the rest of Spira face up to the realities too. And later, when she encounters Yuna, she has to deal with the possibility of her cousin dying in the name of Yevon. So basically, her positive outlook is her way of avoiding reality and dealing with the sh*t she has to put with.

Wakka of course, is the polar opposite of Rikku, relying on his religion to escape reality. Auron is dead (unsent), so doesn't have to fear reality, Lulu has already faced reality and failure on her previous pilgrimage which is why she is so 'busty S&M goth chick', while Tidus is (initially at least) blissfully unaware of reality, which is why he develops in the way he does.

So no, you don't have to be under 19 to appreciate the characters. You just have to grasp the reasons why they are the way they are and understand their motivations and fears, and their various ways of dealing with them. They all face the same fear: Sin, but have different ways of dealing with it. I have posted a detailed summary of Rikku's character and a brief one of the others, except Kimahri who has different fears and motivations to the others, which I probably could go into if this post recieves a really lengthy reply.

-The plot twists are uncoherent/meaningless.

No one has presented as much as a single argument to back this up. I could probably write a reply to the criticism based just on the assumption that there were some evidence to back it up, but why bother? There's nothing to answer at the moment and I'd just be wasting my time. If anyone would like to explain why FFX's plot twists are incoherent, I will address their reasons.


I'll repeat here: The only thing I liked, the only thing that "clicked" for me in FFX was the way they handled Tidus and Yuna's relationship. It was heart-breaking and moving (even if the voice acting was annoying at times, it was still heartfelt -- God, how I hate Tidus' voice).

Ironic, since as a fan of the game I did not consider the love story to be its strongest point. The other characters all play a full role in the game and that is what sets FFX apart from the other games in the series, in my opinion.


That part of the storyline that I liked is overshadowed by the rest of the story elements. To me, this is where the 97 percent comes into play. If I could put such a number, I'd say that 90 percent of the story revolve around things that are fillers and were totally boring to me. If a RPG's story can't hook me, then I won't enjoy playing it. That's what happened when I played FF X.

Now if you were able to overlook all the lame plot fillers and the overall gameplay flaws and still enjoy the game, all the better for you. There is no denying that these flaws are still there, and that to many gamers, they were enough to label this FF as one of the worst in the series. The same as with FFVII. Some are able to overlook some of the flaws to enjoy the rest. Some are just annoyed by them and become bored and/or pissed playing the game.

I've explained my use of the percentage was basically a time-saving device as I felt I had already explained my reasons in other threads, particularly the last debate we had on FFX. I've now gone to the trouble of addressing the complaints put forward by the game's detractors, so I feel the onus is on you to either respond to them or point out the '90 per cent filler' in the plot.


Also, why the hell would you call Terabyte superficial? I read her comment, and just can't seem to see where she would come accross as superficial... Come on Ceidwad, come up with some valid arguments if you so wish to defend FFX. I thought you could do that somehow, back then when we were arguing FF XII's case.

I called her reasons (not her herself) superficial because of her tendency to oversimplify the characters in FFX and see only their most prevalent characteristics. I posted an essay on Rikku above to make my point.


In any case, it's all very subjective and trying to argue like you do ("Yeah, but it's been done before and bla bla...") won't change the way the players enjoyed the game or not.

Again, I have explained this earlier in my post. It's a valid way of reasoning. If someone likes one thing despite one reason yet doesn't like another thing for the same reason (and no other reason) then they are being hypocritical.




Post Scriptum: Don't take my harsh words too personaly. I'm tired right now and write in a pissed way.

As you should know by now, I don't take comments posted in a forum debate personally. I've argued with Prak before, so I'm used to it.

well at fitst i found it BORING but when u meet Yuna n get valfore dats when it started to get good.

The reason u might not b into ffx is cause u might not like dem sorta games ffx is boring sometimes but its hard to stop playing

hmm...i don't think point by point analytic essays are gonna sway anyone...but i did think the game was very linear and wayyy too short compared to ff6 or 7....that said the end bosses were pretty tight, especially when u fought the so called "legendary" characters from the past...

also, this game coulda used a prequel to help flesh out what actually happened during that great war i heard mentioned a few times

Final Fantasy x is good,but I only have FFX2.Alot of people have said FFX2 really sucked.I have to say,I disagree.The concerts are my favorite part.

dude you are spoiled!

I thought X was pretty good... until you got to the Zanarkand Ruins. After that the plot just seemed like an excuse to throw boss fight after boss fight at you.

By the way, what was the significance of that Yu Yevon fight? You couldn't lose so it just seemed like a waste of time.

dude you are spoiled!

Huh?What do mean.....?Spoiled?....

i think i ran outta MP against yu yevon....and then i accidently pulled the plug....but i didnt lose!

Same here. I've never understood that either. I'm surprised there aren't more complaints about the lack of challenge in the game if anything.

Indeed. Blitzball was piss easy if you played around with it for a few minutes and learned the techniques of it.

I thought X was pretty good... until you got to the Zanarkand Ruins. After that the plot just seemed like an excuse to throw boss fight after boss fight at you.

By the way, what was the significance of that Yu Yevon fight? You couldn't lose so it just seemed like a waste of time.

The real final battle was Braska's final aeon. The Yu Yevon fight was symbolic, basically to show that Yu Yevon was destroyed.

OK, that makes sense now - I was pissed off with the game by then and never bothered to finish the fight...

You know, it never fails to amaze me how many people bitch about the Yu Yevon fight, but never EVER mention that the exact same damn thing was in FFVII.

I never played VII, so I wouldn't know

Who cares, I think that most of the bosses in the first half of the game were even easier to deal with than normal enemies that you encounter on your way.
And just like in FFVIII near the end you have to fight numerous bosses that can piss you off to death! I don`t even want to remember Yunalesca...

I'll have to agree with you on that one - when Yunalesca's third form came up I nearly threw my controller at the screen (seriously, I thought I'd beat her!)

maybe the game is only good at 2001.


Sorry for being late with this but... I just had to make a comment. (I checked the previous posts and hope I didn't skim over some and repeat what someone else said)

FFVII was made in 1990-something and people are still in love with the game. It's 2008 and there are people who place FFVII as one of their favorite games. Year doesn't have anything to do with good gameplay.

I found it quite enjoyable.
I was pissed off with the Yu Yevon fight in the beginning. After I found out that I couldn't die I was relieved and confused. Glad that ROKI's post cleared it up.

Okay....Why are people replig to MY comments and aren't making sence.I really don't get it....

best game after FFVIII :P

best game after FFVIII :P

-_-
I give up.

Awesome game... however, the Internacional version is better!

You know, it never fails to amaze me how many people bitch about the Yu Yevon fight, but never EVER mention that the exact same damn thing was in FFVII.

Amen to that.

Not to mention the FFVII one was just one move and it's over, but the Yu Yevon one at least gave some sort of challenge to it.

But hey, it just occurred to me, what happens if everyone gets petrified? I gotta try that.

Yes, if you get petrified you can lose, but I think the only way is to petrify yourself - I'm pretty sure Yu Yevon can't inflict it upon you

the gameplay is so boring, you dont have to do anything but to choose an option from the menu.

the story sucks too, nothing is new, its so predictable. maybe the game is only good at 2001. i think the characters are so lame, too. and so many things that dont add up.

now i have the control of the airship, and i was trying to get the ultimate weapons, but the process is so time-consuming and pointless. im just gonna go to the end and finish it. its like a boring book, but i have to finish it.


i was just wondering why do you find ff10 is a good game? maybe there's something i missed?

I guess you're not meant to be an RPG gamer if you're that impatient :p. But I did think that the english voice actors could have been better :o.

Yo knighthhh, RPG's are meant to be slow-paced. It's called STRATEGY. Learn to speak the English language you fucking mexican.

Dude you're talking to someone from 2 years ago...

I absolutely love the thread title, I must say.

Guess some people don't read the date the last post was made...

I don't care man, just felt like putting in my 2 cents.

That may be true. But here on FF Shrine, there are certain rules that all users must adhere to when posting. Thread necromancy is one of them.

Basically, don't post in a thread that was last posted in over a year ago. Create a new topic if you have something you want to get off your chest. Rule of thumb is - 'if it was last posted over a month ago, and it's not on the first page', then leave it alone.

Follow these rules, and actually learn how to post constructively, you'll live a rich and fulfilling life here.

Whoops, didn't see the thread necromancy posting.

My apologies.

I think this sort of discussion is already covered by the "Why is This Game Hated?" thread. Closing.