The title is Final Fantasy after all, so when is it really going to be a Final Fantasy?

?_?

It already has ended for me. XII is the last one I will own :)

Let's face it: Square Enix will make Final Fantasy until the Apocalypse as long as it makes them money.

Until Sakaguchi dies, victim of a poisoned piece of sushi, planted there by the Red Tongue Roof Raiders, contracted by a rival company in an effort to weaken the franchise. Unfortunately for them and the world, SE will transplant Sakaguchi's heart and brain into an endoskeleton specifically created to come up with more FF's and destroy their enemies. Soon, every SE employee will have an endoskeleton of their own and the Rise of the Machines will start.

If you want a picture of the future, imagine a FF game stomping on a human face -- forever.

haha holy shit

SE sure knows how to use their technology !

Unless Square goes bankrupt, don't count on it anytime soon.

The title is Final Fantasy after all, so when is it really going to be a Final Fantasy?

?_?

me iz wondering the same thing about mario party

I could imagine FF ended when either the creator and story writers reach the end of their imaginations or whenever the music composing department decides to go. It makes so much for them and has such a large fan base that I would fear it ending.

Similar to Tales of Finality (final game in the Tales series would be called this), Final Fantasy 84 is the final one I can see being made.

Let's face it: Square Enix will make Final Fantasy until the Apocalypse as long as it makes them money.

so the potential answer to the question of the thread is until SE goes bankrupt, which is very unlikely right now.

but don't gamers ever get tired of the chocobos, "dramatic" storylines, spin-offs, wacky characters, and such and such?

i know, i'm getting tired of it. i might go with may's idea. i might have FFXII as the last FF for me. =/

It is a pretty nice idea, at least conceptually. XIII and its multitude of spin-offs falls under the umbrella title Fabula Nova Crystalis.

We just need to find out the latin word for old, and we'll able to tell them that we are fans of Final Fantasy: Fabula ____ Crystalis.

Genius.

That is pretty good. But man, looks like SE is getting familiar with spin-offs.

And for some reason, Fabula Nova Crystalis reminds me of Compilation of FFVII. After all, they say that the leading woman character called "Lightning" in FFXIII is the female version of Cloud.

omg

I'm not seeing an end any year soon. And it would be very bold of SE to come out and say we're done.

so the potential answer to the question of the thread is until SE goes bankrupt, which is very unlikely right now.

but don't gamers ever get tired of the chocobos, "dramatic" storylines, spin-offs, wacky characters, and such and such?

i know, i'm getting tired of it. i might go with may's idea. i might have FFXII as the last FF for me. =/

Have you ever noticed that every Final Fantasy is a love story? 'Love' is just one of those subjects that interest people. To be honest with you, I personally believe if people just, for some abrupt reason.. just stopped buying Final Fantasy .. knowing Square they would try to revive some old 'classics' , or even crack out some remake. If they were to continue to fail.. they would probably just change the name.

That is pretty good. But man, looks like SE is getting familiar with spin-offs.

And for some reason, Fabula Nova Crystalis reminds me of Compilation of FFVII.

Don't forget the Ivalice Alliance ;)

I like to equate the franchise to a house guest. It's all cool for the first few days, everyone's happy. Some more days later, the little things start getting to you, but not to a degree that makes you voice your discontent. Finally, the guest starts using your shirts and your bathroom has become contaminated with an unpleasant and perpetual smell that was not left by you. It's at this poiint you boot the guest in the ass and exorcise your bathroom.

To me, SE has overstayed their welcome and left my bathroom in a deplorable state.

Final Fantasy as a franchise will end when noone buys it.
Final Fantasy the true era of Sakaguchi ended in 2003. Uematsu left too, so I guess that after Nomura goes 50 they will stop making FFs.
I would like to see a really ultimate Final Fantasy if Sakaguchi was asked to lend a hand as an executive and concept creator, and Uematsu to do the music . One last collaboration.
But that's more likely to happen in Mistwalker. I read that Amano will work there too.

Have you ever noticed that every Final Fantasy is a love story?
Wait...

FFXII is not exactly a love story. Even FFXI.

Maybe the one thing that attracts the people the most is its uhhhhhhh... CGI movies that look really real?

The love in XII was much more understated and implied, and I have to say it was a nice change of pace.

I HATED that XII was not a love story. It was an ok game, but it's not usually what Square-Enix does. A war between two city-states isn't what I want in my Final Fantasy games, and I hope that the makers will realize this someday. I wasn't really aware of a love story in XII except maybe between Penelo and Vaan, but then she is his 'sister' so to speak (they're both orphans, right?), and I can see where they would start to love one another, which is cool by me.

Don't forget Ashe and Rasler. They were in love, only Rasler died.

Wait XII wasnt a love story?! Whoa I better stop playing now!

As long as they keep making final fantasy games that are for consoles I own I will get them.

But I hope they never officially end the series in my lifetime. I would be very sad if they did.

Wait XII wasnt a love story?! Whoa I better stop playing now!
It's more in the "war and peace" side than the "kissing in the spring lake" side, which is pretty good, considering every FF for console has a melodrama love story in it. Like Knegative said, it's nice to take a break from that.

But it's nicer to take a break from that...

ENTIRELY. :(

Don't forget about Penelo/Larsa, Ashe/Balthier, Ashe/Basch, Balthier/Fran. It's all in there. SRSLY.

Gosh then I need to hurry up and finish the game, too stuck on the boss shortly thereafter meeting Larsa :(

But anyway, they probably wont end FF no time soon, especially if they really are releasing simultaneous FF 13's :(

It`s alright as long as FF does not end, eh...

Anyway if FNC compillation is going to be as lame as FFXII FF is DEAD!

It`s alright as long as FF does not end, eh...

Anyway if FNC compillation is going to be as lame as FFXII FF is DEAD!

+1 but its already dead after FFX

its quite a shame ff was shamed after x-2 and I dont know how people complain about ffXII when comparing it to the last ff game for a console. Which was ffX-2
it was fun but not final fantasy material at all

what was horrid about X-2, im considering buying it

Go to the FFX-2 forum and see the many complaints of many disappointed FF fans. :(

what was horrid about X-2, im considering buying it

Honestly, I enjoyed FFX-2. After realizing it was a girly j-pop-inspired-girl-power game, I mentally said "This is not FFX" and went into it with an open mind.

The combat system is fun as hell (make sure to turn up the speed!), and having non-linear (sort of) gameplay is at least different. SOME of the music is catchy (most isn't, but there was one catchy battle theme, and a few others), and Yuna's Ballad is great.
Beautiful graphics (same as FFX, really, only faster combat), and its pretty funny at times if you don't mind silly humour from time to time.
No, FFX-2 will never be remembered as a classic, nor as a "true FF title" (although hardcore fans will never remember anything other than FFVI . . . /sigh). But right now it'll sell for dirt cheap, and the battle system alone is definitely worth the price of admission.




I HATED that XII was not a love story. It was an ok game, but it's not usually what Square-Enix does. A war between two city-states isn't what I want in my Final Fantasy games, and I hope that the makers will realize this someday. I wasn't really aware of a love story in XII except maybe between Penelo and Vaan, but then she is his 'sister' so to speak (they're both orphans, right?), and I can see where they would start to love one another, which is cool by me.

Two things bugged me about FFXII's love stories.
MASSIVE SPOILERS AHEAD

1) Vaan didn't get one. Now I dislike Vaan, and think he's a terrible protagonist, mainly because he has no reason to be there. If I have to stare at his back for the entire game, at least give him a love story or an actual revenge plot (don't say that he had one; after the first three hours Vaan never really spoke up again) or something to justify his existence. If he had some sort of plot element, it would be fine. But he really didn't . . .
2) They (the love plots) made little sense. Vaan was heavily hinted at having a love story with Ashe (catching her in the Garamscythe Waterway, having his little heart-to-heart with her at night in some town, etc etc). Now again, I do like that they mixed it up and made it so the male and female protagonists didn't hook up with each other, but Ashe and Basch . . . what the hell? Where did that come from?
3) (I know I said two things, but hey) Balthier didn't have a love story with me. C'mon, who WOULDN'T want Balthier? :D :D

Two things bugged me about FFXII's love stories.
MASSIVE SPOILERS AHEAD

1) Vaan didn't get one. Now I dislike Vaan, and think he's a terrible protagonist, mainly because he has no reason to be there. If I have to stare at his back for the entire game, at least give him a love story or an actual revenge plot (don't say that he had one; after the first three hours Vaan never really spoke up again) or something to justify his existence. If he had some sort of plot element, it would be fine. But he really didn't . . .
FFXII: Revenant Wings. I heard he and Penelo made some development on their relationship.


2) They (the love plots) made little sense. Vaan was heavily hinted at having a love story with Ashe (catching her in the Garamscythe Waterway, having his little heart-to-heart with her at night in some town, etc etc). Now again, I do like that they mixed it up and made it so the male and female protagonists didn't hook up with each other, but Ashe and Basch . . . what the hell? Where did that come from?
Ashe and Basch were really the "hinted" couple, in my opinion. Ashe looks only at Vaan as a younger friend or maybe a brother. After all, she is older than him.


3) (I know I said two things, but hey) Balthier didn't have a love story with me. C'mon, who WOULDN'T want Balthier? :D :D
Balthier was with Fran. It was heavily hinted in the game. Their trust and loyalty to each other prove that there is something more to their relationship.

Yui's right, you know.

I will have to pay attention to all of this when next I play it, lol.

FFXII: Revenant Wings. I heard he and Penelo made some development on their relationship.
Good for Revenant Wings, but I still count Vaan as a terrible and boring main character/viewpoint for FFXII.



Ashe and Basch were really the "hinted" couple, in my opinion. Ashe looks only at Vaan as a younger friend or maybe a brother. After all, she is older than him.
As far as I can tell, Ashe and Basch had as much hints as Steiner and Garnet. Vaan & Ashe had a special connection that no other characters had, but the connection was totally dropped after their nighttime conversation; Vaan barely said anything relevant after that.


[/quote]Balthier was with Fran. It was heavily hinted in the game. Their trust and loyalty to each other prove that there is something more to their relationship.[/QUOTE]By with me, I meant Balthier and I . . . it was a joke :D

You guys seriously have not looked at the big picture. Final fantasy is not the only franchise in the market that seems to keep moving forward as technology advances. Have you forgotten Zelda or Mario? These games have been around almost as old as the Final Fantasy series, and as a matter of fact, saying things like FFXII would be your last FF game isn't true, because everyone knows when this stuff gets released and you seen a preview or played a demo, you know you would want to buy it. Maybe for plenty of reasons, graphics? Storyline, maybe even for eye candy's.

Nonetheless I am looking forward to receiving my FF tactics lion wars remake for the psp.

Also I guess I do understand about that whole storyline boredom thing, I never even finished FFXII, it got too stupid and boring for me to finish. I swear Vaan is the worse FF character I ever seen. I may actually look forward for that FFXIII versus, because of the people developing it, what was it? The staff of ff advent and kingdom hearts? Might be interesting...

If Sora pops up in the middle of Versus, I'm literally going to shit my pants, change my pants, then throw the game away, because even though I love KH1, that's just not right.

Sora won't show up in Versus, unless he's a joke cameo (as in, a short joke cameo).

Nomura likes his dark, brooding characters; look at the king (I think he was a king?) from the original Versus trailer. Sora might be badass looking now, but he's not dark nor brooding :D

And I love the implied shot at KH2. "even though I love KH1"



Yukito; I agree and disagree. I don't doubt that FFXII will be the last Final Fantasy for some people. However, let's look at the bigger picture: Final Fantasy sales have been declining, at least in North America. Especially with declining console game sales in Japan (take a look at those pitiful Super Mario Galaxy sales), Final Fantasy as we know it might be very, very different soon. Dragon Quest IX is going to be a DS game, so maybe FFXIV will be PSP or DS, or on the Wii. Maybe Square-Enix will try something very different with it, or maybe they'll go back to their roots. Who the hell knows :D

Now, people always say "This is it, I'm done". As a World of Warcraft player, I personally have played with numerous people who have "Quit forever" and come back the next time their class gets a patch. Look at the WoW forums: people quit like twelve times a day every time their class gets nerfed.

I still don't doubt that for some people, FFXII will be their last FF. For some, their last was FFX, or FFIX, or FFVIII, or FFVII, or FFVI, and so forth.

However, the type of people who post here at the Final Fantasy Shrine forums probably won't really be "quitting Final Fantasy". Except for those who are super fans of Uematsu, Sakaguchi, et al. They might be holding out for one last "REAL" Final Fantasy game, but to be honest, I think the chances of that are very low. Look at Super Mario Galaxy; that was developed by the people who did Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat. You don't need the "classic all-star" team to do an amazing game. Look at Blue Dragon; the classic all-star team might be a bit long in the tooth.


Anyways, to sum up, Final Fantasy might be changing a lot, and saying "that's it, I'm done" before you have tried the next one is very unrealistic, especailly for the sort of people who post here.

In my opinion FF has been changing all the time already and it certainly won't stop now. I've enjoyed every FF game so far and I'm really loooking forward to what'll come next.
I certainly can't see me saying that I'm done with it, unless I have bought all games up to at least XVII and they were all crappy. But as I said I liked all games so far, even the weaker ones, so I can't imagine not liking the coming FF games.

I think they will stop producing FF-Games, if they dont make money with it :)

In my opinion FF has been changing all the time already and it certainly won't stop now. I've enjoyed every FF game so far and I'm really loooking forward to what'll come next.
I certainly can't see me saying that I'm done with it, unless I have bought all games up to at least XVII and they were all crappy. But as I said I liked all games so far, even the weaker ones, so I can't imagine not liking the coming FF games.
Well, by changing (if you're referring to me) I meant a huge change away from the pretty FMVs and shifting to a more handheld remake format.

The only thing that'll turn me away from FF is when they stop totally with making new ones and only have remakes being developed. I enjoy remakes from tiem to time, but I just recently bought FFVI for my GBA (having lost my SNES copy) , and they're already redoing FFIV . . .


But other than that I don't care if it changes; as long as each game looks good I'm gonna buy/try it. I've enjoyed even the poorer ones, as the poster above me said.

I am always gonna love FFIV, but the DS version is going to be grand.

if they only throw the next new game on ps3 sales are not gonna be too grand me thinks...doesn't 7 seem like the peak of the series?

As far as I can tell, Ashe and Basch had as much hints as Steiner and Garnet. Vaan & Ashe had a special connection that no other characters had, but the connection was totally dropped after their nighttime conversation; Vaan barely said anything relevant after that.
Because the characters are more focused on the important events than finding love, I guess. After all, even though there were little hints of love in the relationship between the characters, FFXII's main focus is to tell a story of trust, betrayal, and saving a kingdom.

if they only throw the next new game on ps3 sales are not gonna be too grand me thinks...doesn't 7 seem like the peak of the series?

i must digress similar to the way that sales of the PSP rose immediately following the release of Crisis Core, it is only inevitable that they will rise with the release of FF PS3's forms

When will Final Fantasy end? Probably when hell freezes over.

i must digress similar to the way that sales of the PSP rose immediately following the release of Crisis Core, it is only inevitable that they will rise with the release of FF PS3's forms

it depends on the amount...but i do agree that this game has a lot riding on it...i can't think of any other ps3 exclusives that i am really looking forward to

Because the characters are more focused on the important events than finding love, I guess. After all, even though there were little hints of love in the relationship between the characters, FFXII's main focus is to tell a story of trust, betrayal, and saving a kingdom.

And to be honest, I rather liked it that way. FFXII's story was the best thing it had going for it, and it felt refreshing to not have the cliched love story we've seen ever since FF had love stories. Then at the end Ashe & Basch just sort of hooked up. I figured if ANYONE should do it it would be Vaan & Ashe, because they had the connection, but to be honest, I would have preferred FFXII without a love story.



And while PSP sales rose with Crisis Core, as I said earlier Japan is quickly becoming a handheld game country. A PS is a much larger chunk of change and you can't use it on the train. PS3 sales will definitely improve when FFXIII releases, but will they improve enough?

CELEBRATE GOOD TIMES COME ON!

the games are best celebrated by a dying generation. the early ff fans must be in their 30's by now.

from ff7 up to ff12 people have started to forget about the series. so it's really a new audience now.

if they can't make the same impact as they did with ff7 and so on maybe they would be pushed aside and the sales would drop hugely. also the fact that the orginal creators would eventually have to leave could add to this downfall.

the future generations won't even know of the past games, or care for them. i don't think the new ff games can produce the wow factor that it has done in the past.

i give it another 10 years.

Yeah I'm 31, and I still try and buy every FF game, besides XI, because I really don't see a need to have other character-players in my FF games. Sure, the soundtrack was great, and the graphics were cute, but shit man! SHIT!

Although Final Fantasy might not be able to wow gamers like it has in the past, they are trying new things, such as the gambit and ADB system in FFXII, so maybe in the near future a Final Fantasy game might present something that will turn RPGs, and possibly even gaming, on it's head.
For some reason, when i play RPGs, i find myself comparing them to Final Fantasy. And Final Fantasy always wins.

I liked the battle system in XII. It was awesome.

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yeah i really liked it too. when i first read that they had changed it, i couldnt believe it, why change something that was so good ? but when i played it i thought it was a really good change of pace, it works well and they should keep it like that for futre games, which brings me onto the original question, id say that they will give it up when they finally run out of ideas, but when that will happen is anyones guess.

p.s sorry about the above post being nothing i messed up and didnt know how to delete posts.

I loved the old Final Fantasy way of battle, but the new way is killer. I think Japan will find another neat way for their battle system instead of just giving up and returning to the old way.

What I absolutely loved about FFXII's battle system was how you could still battle random enemies strategically if you wished, but (especially for the trash) you could automate most of it and ENJOY yourself, rather than continually "Press X to attack" and wading through menus half the time (because you turn off cursor memory) so you can immediately press X the other half of the time (because you turned off cursor memory).

Then a boss hits and suddenly the game is essentially turn based, as you'll probably manage every attack or item use. Even then, your gambits could still help; my top-level Gambit was to use an item to restore Confusion.


Excellent battle system.

Agreed.

the automation shoulda been added a while ago i think, especially now that the games are so story based...i find myself playing these games more for the story now rather than for the battle challenges in previous ff's

I think it'll end when SquareEnix goes bankrupt from making too many mediocre games since the company merge. Enix was the worst thing to ever happen to square. The primary reason why FF12 was so good was because they got the guy who did Vagrant Story to work on it.

I disagree. I think Enix was the best thing to happen to Square, because of the Dragon Quest series. That... Itadaki Street Special game or whatever, was kinda... meh. But I would like to see some FF characters in a DQ world, or vice versa.

As much as an FF DQ crossover appeals to me, the first time I see Cloud in a Dragon Quest game, I pull that disc out of the player, and snap it like a twig, then kick my PS3, before shitting on it... or I just bemoan the shameless cameo.

CELEBRATE GOOD TIMES COME ON!

ash lol

I know that song and I like it!=)

As much as an FF DQ crossover appeals to me, the first time I see Cloud in a Dragon Quest game, I pull that disc out of the player, and snap it like a twig, then kick my PS3, before shitting on it... or I just bemoan the shameless cameo.

Well, Cloud is a cock licker anyway.

Don't forget about Penelo/Larsa, Ashe/Balthier, Ashe/Basch, Balthier/Fran. It's all in there. SRSLY.

they are from da worst game ever, it should end with every charector availible on one game, and the world blows up!!!!

When will Final Fantasy end? Never... The least to say, I doubt it will ever occur in my lifetime. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

they are from da worst game ever, it should end with every charector availible on one game, and the world blows up!!!!

You chose my post as an excuse to spew that nonsense?

YOU'RE MY FAVORITE NEW SHRINER!

they are from da worst game ever, it should end with every charector availible on one game, and the world blows up!!!!

I love this post

The last final fantasy game should have all the characters and fix all their screwed up "canon" crap and the awful couples too that would make me happy.
(As far as im concerned squall/rinoa was the only good canon couple in the whole series)

I dunno, I loved that Cecil and Rosa were together the best. Oh, and Yunie + Tidus.

screw tidus and yuna together(sorry for the fans but thats how I feel.) On the other thing your right though I liked cecil and rosa I should have said post ps1 era cause thats what I meant

i wonder if tifa n cloud will finally hook up by ff 20

yeah me too cause you know according to square and half the fans they are the only ones that really matter. personally I enjoyed FF8 and FF10 more

FFIV here. It's my favorite out of all of the FFs.

I would have to say FFVIII or FFX I really enjoyed the game play in FFVIII and I loved the story of FFX so those would have to be my favorites. It's weird I have literally been playing final fantasy for 10 years and my 15th birthday is in a few months. Most people my age who have played it have only played from FFX up.

I've been playing Final Fantasy ever since the first game, back in 1988... I'm 31... Before I knew about video games, it was books, books, and more books. Holy shit I had a lot o' books back then.

The original was released here in 90, iirc. You played the Japanese release?

No... Maybe I played it in 1990, I don't really remember. I KNOW I played Dragon Warrior back in '88 or '89...

Yep, I had that same debate with myself over in the 'first RPG' thread. Dragon Warrior was before FF. It would have been cool if you had played the Japanese release, I guess.

I started with the original, too. There are so many people who started with VII :(

Yeah, I think that it sucks that people started with VII, and not with I, like most o' the older players did.

lol now that I think about It it's strange to be a five year old trying to figure out the battle system of the most advanced rpg game of that time. But that what I did and I did manage to get through it without many problems. After that my cousin and I would play paRappa the rapper for a while lol I still remember the soundtrack from that game.

I happen to be one of the older FF players who started at I, but the funny thing is that the ONLY game I had actually completed is X-2. The game I came closest to completion was VIII.. I was no match against the fusion of Utimecia & Griever the legendary Guardian Force. After a few tries of defeat, I quitted the game and moved onto FFIX which I had left midway into the game after getting ps2 and FF10 and FF10-2.

What Square-Enix should do, is take the Gogo idea from Final Fantasy VI, amd let us customize our own battle system, but use XII's lines too... Like, you could put it like,

Fight
Special skill the character has
Magic
Item

Then with the XII target lines, I think that'd be a much neater battle system. You were out in the open where any enemy could attack. Know what I mean, tidusfan (I don't know your name yet lol)?

Final Fantasy Will never End
S-E have to change the name of the Franchise to The Never Ending Fantasy or something like that...

For Me Final Fantasy die in X...X-2
And now Knowing that S-E have linked FF X & X-2 With VII it sucks
andwhat S-E want to do all that titles of FFVII? They bring us any Title they imagined with the History of VII but not an Remake of the Original...

An theres is a rumor of an -ENDLESS CRISIS- Final Fantasy VII...
What we will see in that new title if is true? They leave opened the Story after the Secret Ending of DIRGE of CERBERUS... What now the Ending of the Story is going to be a Battle vs Genesis and Weiss? or they will bring Back Sephiroth Again?

The Franchise Revived with FFXII for me, there is
Love Story but no is the Central point of the Game and the Obvious couple are: Vaan & Penelo and Balthier & Ashe

With the XIII S-E, wants to have a new version of the old History of the Crystals... well we will how they do it... I'm more interesting in the Versus XIII because is the Antitesis of the Original XIII With Lightning and the Protagonist is a Male, the Male Prince...

I hate more FF-X, when I Knew that the Original plot to the game was the used in FFVII -AC-... The Original Plot Yuna will travel around Spira curing all the Desease made for Sin... and they Used that for the Genova disease in -AC- FVII

Bad of S-E of doing that

What the hell are you spouting off about?

You chose my post as an excuse to spew that nonsense?

YOU'RE MY FAVORITE NEW SHRINER!

is dat good, can i have like 1000 messages saying that ff12 was more crap than having a cow shoved up your ass while playing london racer on your pc


vaan is gay

Final Fantasy Will never End
S-E have to change the name of the Franchise to The Never Ending Fantasy or something like that...

For Me Final Fantasy die in X...X-2
And now Knowing that S-E have linked FF X & X-2 With VII it sucks
andwhat S-E want to do all that titles of FFVII? They bring us any Title they imagined with the History of VII but not an Remake of the Original...

An theres is a rumor of an -ENDLESS CRISIS- Final Fantasy VII...
What we will see in that new title if is true? They leave opened the Story after the Secret Ending of DIRGE of CERBERUS... What now the Ending of the Story is going to be a Battle vs Genesis and Weiss? or they will bring Back Sephiroth Again?

The Franchise Revived with FFXII for me, there is
Love Story but no is the Central point of the Game and the Obvious couple are: Vaan & Penelo and Balthier & Ashe

With the XIII S-E, wants to have a new version of the old History of the Crystals... well we will how they do it... I'm more interesting in the Versus XIII because is the Antitesis of the Original XIII With Lightning and the Protagonist is a Male, the Male Prince...

I hate more FF-X, when I Knew that the Original plot to the game was the used in FFVII -AC-... The Original Plot Yuna will travel around Spira curing all the Desease made for Sin... and they Used that for the Genova disease in -AC- FVII

Bad of S-E of doing that

WTF

lol some of you guys are really smart

lol some of you guys are really smart

Finally someone who doesnt critisisemy views lol, peace out

it'll never end

ekinserge said

it'll never end

ekinserge said

NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!
PEOPLE LOVE IT 2 MUCH

END FACHISM
END CHAVISM
ALLAH!!!!

huh?

Say what?

LOL, Kazu, that's the biggest crapload I've seen here in weeks.

Congrats dude.

I imagine you didn't finish FFXII then, if ya think that Ashe and Balthier are an Obvious couple.

The shock you'll have when you see these cute little kids with rabbit ears at the end of FFXII.

And don't even get me started on this FFVII-FFX link shit of yours.

Wait - There were rabbit-eared kids running around at the end? I didn't notice them... I think maybe I should play the game again.... even though I told meself I wouldn't.

LOL, Kazu, that's the biggest crapload I've seen here in weeks.

Congrats dude.

I imagine you didn't finish FFXII then, if ya think that Ashe and Balthier are an Obvious couple.

The shock you'll have when you see these cute little kids with rabbit ears at the end of FFXII.

And don't even get me started on this FFVII-FFX link shit of yours.



Well I dont care if you dont believe me
In the Ultimania Omega of FFVII Magazine they explain everything
See this Link:
http://faqs.ign.com/articles/698/698416p1.html

See the Number 7:
-7: Translations concerning the plot-related connection between FFVII and FFX/X-2 (007)

They Explains the Link is that the Shinra Boy that appear in X-2 and his research of a new type of energy, and some lines of the Story they put in the FFX-2 International + Last Mission... They Explain an Interview with some of the S-E Staff and... well yo will read what they say


And I Finished the XII
Penelo is who talk and say the things that our Heros are doing now, and She is Using the Outfit of Revenant Wings at the End
And the Song of Angela Aki, Kiss Me Good Bye, was playing during all the End
And we see when Basch is now the Master Judge Gabrant
But I dont remember seeing any Rabit-Kids
And Fran & Balthier took the Strahl

I Say that the Couple of Balthier and Ashe Beacuse the Ring, She feel something to him at a Scene near the End... I think It was before going to the Bahamuth

And Yiazmath was a big Challenge

I have Played Final Fantasy I, II, IV, V...
VII, VIII, X,X-2, XII
The Final Fantasy VI I'm currently playing it
The Final Fantasy IX... Well... at 33%
The Final Fantasy XI... NO!

In the Ultimania book, all they said about that "link" to FF VII is the way the world works. That the pireflies are a lot like the lifestream from FFVII.

As for the rest, they are ramblings that are irrelevent. As there are nothing in game that points to those far-fetched and crazy ideas. There are no Pireflies in FF VII. People go to the farplane in FFX, they do not return to the planet.

As for FFXII, Ashe doesn't feel any more for Balthier than anyone would feel for a dear friend. And you can see the "Rabbit-kids" in the images during the credit roll. And from them, it is crystal clear that Balthier and Fran are together. A good eye would have seen that detail. Balthier sent back the ring to Ashe because he found something of higher value, as he said he would earlier in the game if he did find that. My guess is that finally having settled down with Fran and having his own family is a lot more valuable than any ring or material luxury he could get his hand on.


And Yiazmat was only a long battle.

In the Ultimania book, all they said about that "link" to FF VII is the way the world works. That the pireflies are a lot like the lifestream from FFVII.

You should work on your japanese a bit.

As for FFXII, Ashe doesn't feel any more for Balthier than anyone would feel for a dear friend. And you can see the "Rabbit-kids" in the images during the credit roll. And from them, it is crystal clear that Balthier and Fran are together. A good eye would have seen that detail. Balthier sent back the ring to Ashe because he found something of higher value. My guess is that finally having settled down with Fran and having his own family is a lot more valuable than any ring or material luxury he could get his hand on.


And Yiazmat was only a long battle.

I dont know Japanese I read the Translation...
Well The Fact is that the games are Linked, the World of VII all we know that is not Spira is another, and the Family of Shinra is who Travel to Another World when the Tecnology of the Machina in Spira was capable of World Travel, and they Founded the Company Shin-ra in VII

They say something that they Wanted to be a Sequel of VII
But later in the Ultimania they say that X like a Pre-quel is Good

I Believe that you alll was thinkig that when I mean The Link bt VIII & X, was something like Yunas was the Grand-Grand-Grand-Grand Mother of Tifa or something like that

Rabbit-Kids, well in the Credits, that Images are only for the artbook of the game, they dont mean anything like that. Sorry for the things I'm going to say I dont try to Insult you

Well what you say about Fran & Balthier is no more than a Fanfic... until they dont do something, like a Sequel and show us the Family born of the love of Fran & Balthier, all what we say will be a Fanfic...
For Example:
Before the game when out I was Thinking that Vaan & Ashe will be the Couple, an the games will end with the Classic Kiss... but nooooo
I can write a Fanfic retelling the Original Story that way...

Sadly but is true...

The Princess of Dalmasca still love the Prince Rasler


Long Battle, Challenge is the Same
The F... Monster was Anoying

So you're telling me that the pics in which you see Balthier with his rabit-kids is nothing but a... fanfic of the game in which they are? These pics are used inside the confines of the game, they thus have a relevence to the game.

Sorry, and I DO mean to insult you here, but you're really pathetically stupid to even have thought of writing that last crap-filled comment of yours for the public eyes to see.



And nope, long battle has nothing to do with challenging. A challenge has some difficulties to it.

So you're telling me that the pics in which you see Balthier with his rabit-kids is nothing but a... fanfic of the game in which they are? These pics are used inside the confines of the game, they thus have a relevence to the game.

Sorry, and I DO mean to insult you here, but you're really pathetically stupid to even have thought of writing that last crap-filled comment of yours for the public eyes to see.



And nope, long battle has nothing to do with challenging. A challenge has some difficulties to it.

Yes It still bein an Fanfic? howdo you know that the Kids are his sons?
Maybe its true that I are missing that Information, but I'm triyin to remember but no... I dont remember Any info of that the Rabbits-Kids are his sons

Look at the credit roll again. You might see the Obvious. If you can't, then I don't think there is much hope for you.

huh?

I was joking, never been to newsgrounds and played Pico's School,
Its immense
By da way, weired avater
And dont believe anything Hynad or battle unicorn saysThey are chicks with dicks

mesalgear, you've yet to show anything that has a minimal ressemblance to knowledge about any topics in which you post. Which is completly the oposite when it comes to me and to some extend, TM (and a lot of the regulars here). So I would suggest you either shut the fuck off, or get the fuck out of here.

You're totally outmatched when it comes to wit, intellect and personality. If I could even start imagining myself in your shoes, I wouldn't feel big being among the likes of us.

mesalgear, you've yet to show anything that has a minimal ressemblance to knowledge about any topics in which you post. Which is completly the oposite when it comes to me and to some extend, TM (and a lot of the regulars here). So I would suggest you either shut the fuck off, or get the fuck out of here.

You're totally outmatched when it comes to wit, intellect and personality. If I could even start imagining myself in your shoes, I wouldn't feel big being among the likes of us.

why would i leave then listen to you shit talking about shit all da time, get a new lifew and a bigger bulge in your pants

why would i leave then listen to you shit talking about shit all da time, get a new lifew and a bigger bulge in your pants, go talk to your imaginary friends and play with your chemistry set superboy

I can't be possibly asked to bother about the likes of you.


You are already digging your own grave.

I can't be possibly asked to bother about the likes of you.


You are already digging your own grave.

Yeah, for u numbnuts

You're digging YOUR OWN grave just for me?

Then I'll be more than glad to be the one taking the shovel and bury you.

You're digging YOUR OWN grave just for me?

Then I'll be more than glad to be the one taking the shovel and bury you.

bring it on, let me guess your 5.1 with puny arms, balls higher then nelsons coluoum and a high pitched girly voice
Do u still live with your mother

Yes It still bein an Fanfic? howdo you know that the Kids are his sons?
Maybe its true that I are missing that Information, but I'm triyin to remember but no... I dont remember Any info of that the Rabbits-Kids are his sons

hynad likes insulting people doesnt he

Nope, you got it all wrong.

Not that it surprises me. You know absolutely nothing about anything.

Nope, you got it all wrong.

Not that it surprises me. You know absolutely nothing about anything.

i know enough to know ur a fowl wankstain who stays up all night on his pc inhis mums house with pictures of superheroes no one cares about reading star trek every night, being overlycritical 2 everyone on da internet

That's a predictable effort of yours, but as I said, you showed us again that you know nothing about anything.

That's a predictable effort of yours, but as I said, you showed us again that you know nothing about anything.

u sound more evil then daichi from astroboy (giggle)

I had no idea you were a bird, Hynad. What are you, a parrot? =oD

I had no idea you were a bird, Hynad. What are you, a parrot? =oD

im not, im just trying to get a response cool irish girl,
anyway, has someone called hynad called u

Stop calling me a girl.

Stop calling me a girl.

soz, cool avater

That's a predictable effort of mine, but as you said, i showed you again that i know nothing about anything.

ha ha

Seriously, is that all you've got?

As long as there are Japanese people, FF will live on.
Let's just hope they don't start doing crazy random spin-offs for too many (read: any) of the games.

Well... There's Itadaki Street Special, which kind of sounds like a cross between DQ and FF, but I don't think it is... However, that would be a neat idea, having a DQ character visit Ivalice.

It might be but that depends on who they visit in ivalice

I dunno. Take Final Fantasy VII's world and put a Dragon Quest character in it. Not the cartoony ones from VIII, just a more-human looking one. That would be cool as hell.

yeah it would be cool

Not the cartoony ones from VIII, just a more-human looking one.

FFVIII's characters were cartoony-looking? I must have missed that special edition they released after the original.

Well, not so cartoony. Maybe I meant to say like, Final Fantasy VII, or IX.

hynad likes insulting people doesnt he

Only Ignore him like I do, Like the others maybe do, he is a typical nerd that still lives with his mother...
Poor Thing

Only Ignore him like I do, Like the others maybe do, he is a typical nerd that still lives with his mother...
Poor Thing

And you are the typical moron who can only come up with sheep-like pre-made sentences to reply to things that are beyond your neurons capabilities.

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And you are the typical moron who can only come up with sheep-like pre-made sentences to reply to things that are beyond your neurons capabilities.

And if that what you say was true What matters for you?
It is My life, then lives yours and stop being trying to insult the persons, because you nor can do it, live your life, oh! I already Know why you do it, because you do not have any life, you dont know what is the fact of have Friends, Family, See the Nature, have a Gilrfriend or Boyfriend if you are Gay, go to party's, work, study...
You are here trying to be smart, insulting the others, but you are not smart, you just are a Child, Grow up! Fucking Nerd!

How was I saying poor Thing

What's laughable is that you are actually proving yourself to be self projecting when you (attemps to) insult me.

You are doing the same exact thing you're trying to condemn me for.

So I would suggest you check back your agenda, because right now, it would seem that you are missing a lot in life.

What's laughable is that you are actually proving yourself to be self projecting when you (attemps to) insult me.

You are doing the same exact thing you're trying to condemn me for.

So I would suggest you check back your agenda, because right now, it would seem that you are missing a lot in life.

And What do you Think I do?
I reply to you when I can and I when I am Oline, but when I Cant and I am not online, I dont Reply to you, its because I'm leaving My LIFE, I'm not in My room, infornt of the PC All the Day 24/7 afraid of the real world
And I don't condem Anyone
If you feel that way well is your problem

And How I was Saying
if that what you say was true What matters for you?

Before I further bother answering your moronic assumptions, I will ask of you that your learn some proper english.

Before I further bother answering your moronic assumptions, I will ask of you that your learn some proper english.

:-P Welll This is something that we agree, I write bad the English anyway=-O but that its a normal thingO:]
You will teach me proper english?

I will teach you proper English. Use some periods in your sentences, kid.

Final Fantasy XII? Romance? Maybe like a death-o-mance or something. They drop like flies during war time in that game considering Yui's comment on War and Peace but they always seem to have moments for cheezy luvy-duvy scenes. (Yes. I am aware I spelled that uh... 'LOVEY DOVY' wrong. Unless it's right...and I didn't know that because I don't really know how to spell it 'cause I'm forgetting the English language due to reasons unknown--but in that case I didn't need to write this side note at all and I'm just wasting time--)

ANYWAYS~~~!

Maybe it will end when they put all the past characters together into one final game like one giant Kingdom Hearts knock-off, but Disney-less. It'll be like Tales of the World with the Namco Bandai series, except that Square Enix doesn't add utter randomness to spruce up the storyline.

Yeah.

It'll end like that.

anyone know how the sales of twelve were compared to ten on the piss2? jw

+1 but its already dead after FFX


Well I agree with you.. But after seeing those extended FFXIII trailers I finally thought that it`s gonna be a good game after a long time...

So I`ll fix myself: As long as creators can get back on track Final Fantasy must go on!

Vincentre>> I kinda agree with you about that huuuuuuge FF world and FF ending this way.

I can't say for sure how FF will end, but I can say for sure how FF will not end. It will not go out with a bang. It will not be closed off and declared "final" after one truely great masterpiece is achieved. That's because any such game would generate enough revenues to ensure a future installment(Consider how FFVII spin-offs are being made to this day, and while it's a decent game, it's not great as masterpieces are concerned). And it won't won't end with an ultra-crappy title either, or even a series of ultra-crappies. It will end if the game stops pulling a profit, or rather if the game company stops pulling a profit. Here's why, the Final Fantasy series, is simply the shocase of what types of elements are to be found in Square-Enix games, no more and no less. Nothing original is ever put into a Final Fantasy game, instead it borrows it's originality from the originality of the other Franchises of Square-Enix, such as Valkyrie Profile, Seiken Densetsu(Mana Series), XenoSaga, et cetera , and, since the Enix merger, Dragon Quest and a myriad of other fanchises. Final Fantasy may single handedly generate more revenue than any one other franchise, but add the other franchises together, and they support the majority of the company's profits. In turn they provide the money needed to pay the employees while the investment pool is being spent on the next FF game. Thus Final Fantasy provides enough money to cover costs, and pay back investors, while generating enough interest to get consumers to purchase other games which all have similar elements.

These auxillary games in the Square-Enix library are not simlilar to Final Fantasy because they immitate Final Fantasy, so much as Final Fantasy is similar to the auxillary games in the Square-Enix library because Final Fantasy borrows from them, in order to show them off no less. And if you find a feature in an FF game that is unique and not found in a non-FF game, then you've found a feature that is a feature of a Square-Enix game that was already under production. (The Sphere Grid from FFX is the only exception, but then again, I'm of the opinion that FFX was originally proposed as a concept for another franchise altogether, but was chosen to be the story concept for FFX rather than it's own franchise.)

All this being said, and returning to my original statement, the Final Fantasy franchise won't stop pulling a profit when Final Fantasy stops making enough to pay for itself; Final Fantasy will stop pulling a profit when Finla Fantasy stops promoting sales for other games in the Square-Enix library... Nothing so glamourous as a "Grand Finale," or a "Grand Bust" will be the games end. Like most other series that stop pulling profit, it will likely just drift off quietly into the night...

I can't say for sure how FF will end, but I can say for sure how FF will not end. It will not go out with a bang. It will not be closed off and declared "final" after one truely great masterpiece is achieved. That's because any such game would generate enough revenues to ensure a future installment(Consider how FFVII spin-offs are being made to this day, and while it's a decent game, it's not great as masterpieces are concerned). And it won't won't end with an ultra-crappy title either, or even a series of ultra-crappies. It will end if the game stops pulling a profit, or rather if the game company stops pulling a profit. Here's why, the Final Fantasy series, is simply the shocase of what types of elements are to be found in Square-Enix games, no more and no less. Nothing original is ever put into a Final Fantasy game, instead it borrows it's originality from the originality of the other Franchises of Square-Enix, such as Valkyrie Profile, Seiken Densetsu(Mana Series), XenoSaga, et cetera , and, since the Enix merger, Dragon Quest and a myriad of other fanchises. Final Fantasy may single handedly generate more revenue than any one other franchise, but add the other franchises together, and they support the majority of the company's profits. In turn they provide the money needed to pay the employees while the investment pool is being spent on the next FF game. Thus Final Fantasy provides enough money to cover costs, and pay back investors, while generating enough interest to get consumers to purchase other games which all have similar elements.

These auxillary games in the Square-Enix library are not simlilar to Final Fantasy because they immitate Final Fantasy, so much as Final Fantasy is similar to the auxillary games in the Square-Enix library because Final Fantasy borrows from them, in order to show them off no less. And if you find a feature in an FF game that is unique and not found in a non-FF game, then you've found a feature that is a feature of a Square-Enix game that was already under production. (The Sphere Grid from FFX is the only exception, but then again, I'm of the opinion that FFX was originally proposed as a concept for another franchise altogether, but was chosen to be the story concept for FFX rather than it's own franchise.)

All this being said, and returning to my original statement, the Final Fantasy franchise won't stop pulling a profit when Final Fantasy stops making enough to pay for itself; Final Fantasy will stop pulling a profit when Finla Fantasy stops promoting sales for other games in the Square-Enix library... Nothing so glamourous as a "Grand Finale," or a "Grand Bust" will be the games end. Like most other series that stop pulling profit, it will likely just drift off quietly into the night...

For me, as a fan of FF it is very hard to admit this, but you`re 100% right!
Although, I hope it won`t end soon...

Zachron: Too bad they didn't take the good of Grandia's battle system and use it in a FF title.


Also: yep, that sounds about right (your comment).
Although we can't really say for sure. Most J-RPGs are built around the same formula, and the designs are almost always the same. But it is true that many of the Square-Enix games have been sharing a lot between each others these last few years. But unlike you, I would rather say that Final Fantasy takes what's best friom the other franchises and try to do a melting pot of it.

Lets see how FF XIII will build up. So far, it would seem that they are aiming for something quite unique (BTW, FF VIII's Guardian Forces system was pretty unique as well. I don't recall an other game out there that worked this way... But yet again, I don't play all the J-RPGs that come out.

Zachron: Too bad they didn't take the good of Grandia's battle system and use it in a FF title.


Also: yep, that sounds about right (your comment).
Although we can't really say for sure. Most J-RPGs are built around the same formula, and the designs are almost always the same. But it is true that many of the Square-Enix games have been sharing a lot between each others these last few years. But unlike you, I would rather say that Final Fantasy takes what's best friom the other franchises and try to do a melting pot of it.

Lets see how FF XIII will build up. So far, it would seem that they are aiming for something quite unique (BTW, FF VIII's Guardian Forces system was pretty unique as well. I don't recall an other game out there that worked this way... But yet again, I don't play all the J-RPGs that come out.

I agree, FF does take the best things from other games, I can`t remember what game was that, but the thing is that something similar to GF system was later used in another game, if I remember it properly it wasn`t even a S-E game.

FFVIII`s GF system was 100% unique for it`s own time.

Well the GF system doesn't count because it sucks a majorly large male organ... And it was merely an enlarged version of FFVI's Esper System, and more or less replaced the equipment set... I'll change it to the Sphere Grid's probably the only GOOD idea that's FF Unique.(Materia, Job System, and Esper System, are more or less altered expressions of ideas presented in other Square games.)

And I'll agree that FF's have taken the Best from a myriad of other games. Afterall, if you were going to wrap an amalglam of your company's creativity into a single game for the year, you would rather use your good ideas than your bad ones.

I loved the Dresspheres and Spheregrid that was in FFX-2.

...

What is it Zachron? The Dressphere was great, if not that it looked like a MTV videoclip. It was still the job system, and it was an improved version at that.

But I guess it doesn't count because you didn't like the idea... right?

Haha. Dresspheres rule.

we all know why people who like dressphereslike them. I for one being a girl thought it was a bitch to use.

Hmm. Yeah but.... Wasn't this game sort of.... MADE for girls?

What is it Zachron? The Dressphere was great, if not that it looked like a MTV videoclip. It was still the job system, and it was an improved version at that.

But I guess it doesn't count because you didn't like the idea... right?

Whatever happened to the good old days when changing classes meant you got yer stats cut in half, and started over at level 1? Changing classes at will with little to no penalty is good enough, but changing in the middle of the fight, just totally adds an uneeded button masher, and sends party balance flying out the window. Easier doesn't mean better, and more convenient does not necessarily mean improved game play.

Dressphere was kinda neat, but in the long run, it makes the game more tedious.

And not, FFX-2 was not targeted at girls. It was targeted at guys who like to look at naked pictures of female FF characters and jerk off.

Oh yeah.

Whatever happened to the good old days when changing classes meant you got yer stats cut in half, and started over at level 1? Changing classes at will with little to no penalty is good enough, but changing in the middle of the fight, just totally adds an uneeded button masher, and sends party balance flying out the window. Easier doesn't mean better, and more convenient does not necessarily mean improved game play.

Dressphere was kinda neat, but in the long run, it makes the game more tedious.

And not, FFX-2 was not targeted at girls. It was targeted at guys who like to look at naked pictures of female FF characters and jerk off.

I liked the fast paced battles of FFX-2. Not everyone will enjoy having the time to sleep while playing, like in most FFs. As for the stat drops that comes with a glass change, I always thought it was ridiculous that a character would train 10 levels in a class, yet the moment he changes, his strenght he's been training for all this time just disapears.

I liked the fast paced battles of FFX-2. Not everyone will enjoy having the time to sleep while playing, like in most FFs. As for the stat drops that comes with a glass change, I always thought it was ridiculous that a character would train 10 levels in a class, yet the moment he changes, his strenght he's been training for all this time just disapears.

I agree Hynad, but it's the price you pay for changing spheres.

I liked the fast paced battles of FFX-2. Not everyone will enjoy having the time to sleep while playing, like in most FFs. As for the stat drops that comes with a glass change, I always thought it was ridiculous that a character would train 10 levels in a class, yet the moment he changes, his strenght he's been training for all this time just disapears.

Yeah the battles were fast in FF-X2

and that is why FF V is a little anoying

... I always thought it was ridiculous that a character would train 10 levels in a class, yet the moment he changes, his strenght he's been training for all this time just disapears.

That's why you need to train them for at least 20 levels lol. I was being somewhat sarcastic. I did not find the combat in FFX-2 fast paced. You merely had to mash buttons quickly to get your attack in when you wanted it. The actual speed of battle compared to number of comands given, and rate at which the plot progressed in comparison to number of battles fought was actually slower than FFX. Changing classes in the middle of combat was more cumbersome than convenient, and it would be pointless to do so if it weren't for specific battles that were designed specifically to force you to use the feature. Quite frankly, when I played the game, I only used the feature to get my team regrouped when I hit a fight that my team was "Configured wrong for," or if I wanted to Level up the character's "Master Class."

That's why you need to train them for at least 20 levels lol. I was being somewhat sarcastic. I did not find the combat in FFX-2 fast paced. You merely had to mash buttons quickly to get your attack in when you wanted it. The actual speed of battle compared to number of comands given, and rate at which the plot progressed in comparison to number of battles fought was actually slower than FFX. Changing classes in the middle of combat was more cumbersome than convenient, and it would be pointless to do so if it weren't for specific battles that were designed specifically to force you to use the feature. Quite frankly, when I played the game, I only used the feature to get my team regrouped when I hit a fight that my team was "Configured wrong for," or if I wanted to Level up the character's "Master Class."

Changing classes mid-battle is in way more tedious then having to change characters to fit the particular enemies like in FFX. Even the changing class animation can be turned off. So you should have the same complain for both games.

the dresspheres annoyed me more

The only part of the Dressphere I hated was that one with 2 slots on it, for quick changes to get your Floral Fallou or whatever... Yeah, it's quick, but when you wanted that, AND your many different spheres... It just didn't cut it. Know what I mean?

The Dresssphere with 2 slots was the one I used the most. Made for Fast Mastery of the Master Classes.

And Party Rotation may have been been equally tedious, but there wasn't a delay that prevented the character from acting immediately upon switching out, plus it took far less tedious leveling up to produce a versitile party in FFX. Everyone would eventually clear their sphere grids, and diversify into other arts, and following the grid straight would give over half the characters either Black Magic or White Magic. Rikku could easily master both, and Khimari could be sent whichever direction you chose(I always made him a black mage).

Securing a versitile range of abilities was easier in FFX-2, but it is easily just as tedious to get the full range of abilities trained on all the characters. You may get it done faster in FFX-2, but it's a shorter game to begin with, the tedium is about the same, only in the first one I actually gave a shit about what I wanted to do next.

yrp in position lets have a dressup party girls. Looking back that should have been the game's first line

Urm... maybe we should get back on topic and stop discussing FFX-2 in this thread. Afterall, FFX-2 was a commercial sucess, and, love it or hate it, it definitely won't be what ends the FF series. lol.

your right but if that was the future then that is where it should have ended lol.

your right but if that was the future then that is where it should have ended lol.

hahahaha
We have to wait to see how Good will be the XIII and Versus XIII...
Oh
And what do you think of DISSIDIA -Final Fantasy-?

I'm more excited about that game than Fabula Nova Crystallis Final Fantasy XIII to tell you the truth I mean squall and tidus that's like the best thing ever. But all fangirlness aside It looks pretty good and I'm wondering what the battle system is like.

hahahaha
We have to wait to see how Good will be the XIII and Versus XIII...
Oh
And what do you think of DISSIDIA -Final Fantasy-?

I`m very excited about it because my favourite character is going to be there!!!
I mean both of my favourites!!!
Or should I say all four of them...

Ahh who cares, the point is that Squall, Tidus, Zidane and Garnet will be there!!!

If I can I'm playing thorough the whole game as tidus and squall but wikipedia says you have to play with all the characters.

Yes
It would be a Great Game
Now I know that SQUARE ENIX, want to put the most importants Characters of all Series

Yay...Ultimecia will be There

I think they will make like 2 other real Final Fantasy and for the rest are all parts from one particular Final Fantasy (Like FFVII and FFXIII)
But i really think they should give up, cause they are trying to hard to be innovative, but i pretty much dont like FF spin-offs.

Seriously, is that all you've got?

whats good now iz now im back online so stop giving me shit or i'll ban u

Yes
It would be a Great Game
Now I know that SQUARE ENIX, want to put the most importants Characters of all Series

Yay...Ultimecia will be There

im with dis guy
all we know is that it is one big cashcow ready to be milked for all its worth

whats good now iz now im back online so stop giving me shit or i'll ban u

Then, little shit head, go ahead and ban me.

whats good now iz now im back online so stop giving me shit or i'll ban u

Quoted again, cause it's roffletastic.

whats good now iz now im back online so stop giving me shit or i'll ban u


Moronic post of the year.

But i really think they should give up, cause they are trying to hard to be innovative, but i pretty much dont like FF spin-offs.

wat the hecks' wrong with innovation???!?? in fact me thinks its easier to try innovations in successful series cause fanboi's will buy the games no matter what...and who knows they might stumble onto something u love

square enix has the most loyal fan boys ever as long as cloud's name is on it they never have to worry even if the game sucks

square enix has the most loyal fan boys ever as long as cloud's name is on it they never have to worry even if the game sucks

Hahaha, well I dont think so, because I saw a lot of people saying that SE is milking too much FFVII, and that is true...

Well I wanted to say other Things

What Opine you of Final Fantasy IV: The After Return to The Moon?

FF will never end.
Ok, I exaggerated.
I predict the end will be arount the 25th ff

Maybe it will end when they have no more ideas for FFVII.

the only way to kill a legend is to let Koji Igarashi (the current castlevania prducer) get his hands on it... HE EATS MENS SOULS AND MAKES THEM HIS SLAVES... It's true

You know you all secretly never want Final Fantasy to end :3

the only way to kill a legend is to let Koji Igarashi (the current castlevania prducer) get his hands on it... HE EATS MENS SOULS AND MAKES THEM HIS SLAVES... It's true

hahaha
Really he is?
The he is a Succubus
hahaha

hahaha
Really he is?
The he is a Succubus
hahaha

More like an Incubus ;)

More like an Incubus ;)

Yes? I forgot the Difference Betwen Succubus & Incubus
But Still be Funny

Yes? I forgot the Difference Betwen Succubus & Incubus
But Still be Funny

agreed! but honestly if u look at Castlevania games nowadays, sure they seem more popular, but that has nothing to do with the current producer, either way i think this wud be the only way Final Fantasy will ever die, the follow up in Japan is just beyond amazing, there is no way it is going to fade anytime soon... Let's just say the PSP slim in Japan sold a lot simply becuz of FF 7: Crisis Core... nearly 300,000 PSPs... That's quite a bit for 1 game, I'd say the FF series is going a long ways and there's no stopping it since the popular release of final fantasy 7. There has never been a game series as popular and i think to even try to predict the end of it... well... Koji Igarashi would be the only way! hahahahaha XD

source: 300,000 PSPs (http://www.joystiq.com/2007/09/26/psp-2000-hits-300-000-sales-in-japan/)

agreed! but honestly if u look at Castlevania games nowadays, sure they seem more popular, but that has nothing to do with the current producer, either way i think this wud be the only way Final Fantasy will ever die, the follow up in Japan is just beyond amazing, there is no way it is going to fade anytime soon... Let's just say the PSP slim in Japan sold a lot simply becuz of FF 7: Crisis Core... nearly 300,000 PSPs... That's quite a bit for 1 game, I'd say the FF series is going a long ways and there's no stopping it since the popular release of final fantasy 7. There has never been a game series as popular and i think to even try to predict the end of it... well... Koji Igarashi would be the only way! hahahahaha XD

source: 300,000 PSPs (http://www.joystiq.com/2007/09/26/psp-2000-hits-300-000-sales-in-japan/)

Because of that Popularity they are ruining the Original Concept of FFVII

Maybe it will end when they have no more ideas for FFVII.

Man, really.
I wish the 13th was the last one, since 13 is Squenix's favorite number.

If they kill cloud then would the awful ffVII spin-offs end I don't want him to die really but it seems to be the only way.

Sadly that wouldn't end the spin-offs... you'd have to totally destroy the planet to do that... then there is always prequels.

So there really is no end well they could at least whore out another FF game like 8 or 10(even more than it already is) or maybe 9 that one doesn't have to much exposure.

They could also concentrate their efforts in what the Final Fantasy series was like before they screwed it up with sequels. Make some good self-contained game/story/universe everytime.

Making sequels to the games would most likely do the same as with FFVII and ruin the game (maybe even more than some of them already are). Although I really enjoyed the CG work in Advent Children, I thought the story was poor and it completely ruined the original intended ending of FFVII.

I hope that they make Good Good, thatSequel of FFIV... The Final Fantasy IV: The After -Return To The Moon-

I WISH NEVEER END!!! KEEP GOING FINAL FANTASY!!!

All good things in this world must come to an end. If it didn't it would only mean that it was continuing in a state of mediocrety.

NEWS!!!!!!
Here:
A Scan of Famitsu of Final Fantasy IV: The After -Return to The Moon-:
http://www.ffdream.com/?cat=news_detail&idnew=1471

All good things in this world must come to an end. If it didn't it would only mean that it was continuing in a state of mediocrety.

but as long as i know if they take that much time to do one game (like ffxiii).. its not goin to be mediocrety... *i'm dying for FFXIII, i know this is goin to be a good game*

but as long as i know if they take that much time to do one game (like ffxiii).. its not goin to be mediocrety... *i'm dying for FFXIII, i know this is goin to be a good game*

Well, I'm Waiting the VersusXIII, I see it more interesting that the XIII

doubt it will end any time soon, too successful at the moment. just wish i could afford all the platforms to play them on X[

Well i think that Final Fantasy is an each individual game they just use the name Final Fantasy for franchising, also there always a high lvl of expectaion on it :D

Final Fantasy: 1987-December 2008

1987-eternity. lol:)

1987-eternity. lol:)

yeah!

1987-eternity in HELL. Mwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Hmm, It seems that maybe the real Final Fantasy should be a Virtual Game thet puts you in the game... Literaly! It can be your own Final Fantasy!

Hmm, It seems that maybe the real Final Fantasy should be a Virtual Game thet puts you in the game... Literaly! It can be your own Final Fantasy!

lol @ VRFF

Seriously though! It would be cool though. The FINAL FANTASY! Thpugh it would be years untill we can have the proper vitural technology untill we can porperly do this!

Guys I just found out that Final Fantasy will finally end when Hell (http://www.hell2u.com/) freezes over.

And that will be in 2012!

Ugh, Final Fantasy's went downhill since six to the smart few who've noticed. [Seven to all the fangasmers.] Six was the last good one and thats where it SHOULD have ended. Either way, I really doubt FF will end. Always quite a few diehard fans out there lol. So I say never 7_7;.

No, I am not saying FFs aren't bad, because I loved FF IX & X alot but VI was the last good one.

Ugh, Final Fantasy's went downhill since six to the smart few who've noticed.

So, you're saying any people thinking the series is still just a good or as bad as it always was isn't smart?

What kind of narrow thinking is that?

Way to bite into the flame bait, Hynad. :(

Might be fun to see how this one will react.

I thought I was being soft there with the bait, by not relying on insults right away. But you didn't even notice it.

Pac-man's been out for 28 yrs and still hasn't died, so it's possible that Final Fantasy may have the same long run, or they could remake earlier releases into more visually aesthetic games. I mean FFVIII was when they started to insert the life-like movies, but by today's standards, it's nothing short of being low quality.

So it's either they keep on making sequels, or remake the other series, or just do both. In any case Final Fantasy is going to be around for a looong time.

I for 1 think that since Final Fantasy has been around for 20 years, It will be high time for it to leave anytime soon. Plus, rumors are circulating that the original developers/creators are quitting. I think ppl are getting tired of RPG's (Well, Im not but others are!)

I for 1 think that since Final Fantasy has been around for 20 years, It will be high time for it to leave anytime soon. Plus, rumors are circulating that the original developers/creators are quitting. I think ppl are getting tired of RPG's (Well, Im not but others are!)

Well I'm not sure if I agree with the first part of that statement as I am reasonably sure that most of the original developers/creators left some time ago. But there certainly is an argument to be made that people are much less wiling to play RPGs than they were say ten years ago. Sure there are still the hardcore who play regardless and they will always be catered for by specialist firms like Idea Factory or Nippon Ichi. A lot of the people who were introduced to RPGs by the Playstation and FFVII are now in their twenties and thirties and their lives have changed with work and family commitments and they do not have the time to play 60-80 hours anymore. So no I do not think Final Fantasy as a brand will end anytime soon but the games as we know them now will be all but unrecognisable in the future as they evolve to meet the demands of the audience with the introduction of more mobile games or games that are easier to play in small chunks. You never know something like X-2 could be the future of Final Fantasy due to it's mission based chapter structure that can be played for an hour saved as opposed to XII where you could quite easily go several hours between saves.

Ugh, Final Fantasy's went downhill since six to the smart few who've noticed. [Seven to all the fangasmers.] Six was the last good one and thats where it SHOULD have ended. Either way, I really doubt FF will end. Always quite a few diehard fans out there lol. So I say never 7_7;.

No, I am not saying FFs aren't bad, because I loved FF IX & X alot but VI was the last good one.

Well fair enough VI is definatly one of the best of them but why should they have stopped there? After making millions they were hardly going to say, "God we'll never make a game that good again, lets just leave things and stop making loads of money."

The beauty of FF, is that each game is different. It has it's own story and world, unique from the other ones. Even though the combat and gameplay may be similar there all only spiritual sequels, and never directly linked. Except for the exceptions like FFX, FFX-2.

FF13 and FF13 Agito and FF13 Versus will all take place in the same world, but from different perspectives. Plus I hear FF13 Versus will play much like KH. So even more innovation is meeting Square's successful series.

the squares have been so successful ever since they got FF as their "line of gold"...
do you really think that they are just going to cut their "line of gold" in half by stop making more FF?
i think bonker if they did.

Maybe, But Think about FFXIII's plot It is based from similar factors as the First 3 Final Fantasies. 1). There is Crystalls, 1.5). Crystalls rule the world, 2). There is a floating city, seperated from a scarred world. I think the "LINE of GOLD is thinning out.

FinalFantasy ended when its creator left squaresoft , (2003) that led to the merging , and the founding of Enix Square .
I call it Enix Square because the marketing has focused on remaking FF games and not dragon quest titles. (compare DQ remakes and FFremakes after the merging)
Even Nobuo Uematsu agrees that they should not have continued making final fantasy without Sakaguchi .
It's the same thing with the WORMS series of games, so Final Fantasy ended with X-2 and XI to me, but really, it ended in FFX since that was when all of the original dream team worked for a final fantasy. (FFX-2 had 1/3 of the team)

Final Fantasy 12 used and promoted the "themes" of ff such as moogles, chocobos, and of course crystals.

However ff12 was a totally different game , not a bad game, just not a final fantasy. I've played all the FFs and from 1 to 11 it had that magic that you can't explain.
It's no use citing factors and technical words to explain why ff12 failed to be a ff.

However I know that many people liked it so I will try to have some facts on why I believe that.

Final Fantasy 12 had great artists involved, the ex Quest members dream team that used to be in Enix and gave them successful games.
Did you seriously stick to the characters of the game, and felt their sorrow and joy on this installment ?

Final Fantasy used to be story , music, character development. It was like watching a movie , in a good way of course.

I don't want to have a stiff war story for a romantic game such as FF.
For example ff7 was deep and dark but it still had love in it, the theme was life. What's the theme of FF12?

I'm not saying that we should have the same people making FF all the time, but hell, there must be at least the concept creator that made the games for the past 20 years!

Just like dragon quest, the original team is three people.
Final Fantasy should change over time, but only with Sakaguchi's hand.

Now that he's gone FF ended, you can take the Gooch out of FF, but not the FF out of the Gooch .

i do get what your saying, i am a newbie to the whole ff thing, it was only when i was starting a new school when my friend showed me his new games, i borrowed them and i had never ever seen a game that looked better, nor a story that was more engaging then ffx, it was brillent, so much better then anything i had ever played. it is trully one of my all time favorite games, so what the battle system in places is difficult to live with and the charectors faces changed from seeing every detail to a smudgy blur, it was trully brillent, you felt every emotion in the game and i could write all day about it but when ffx2 came out, yes it wasnt as good story as its predessesor but it still was better then most r.p.gs, then ff12 came and that was not good in the slightest, squre enix obviously used the game as a last hurrah before the big move to ps3, it was crap, the story didnt add up, the charectors were baqdly thought out, i would have rather played on london racer 2 then on that, the magic was dead and in my opinion square enix need to put every last reasource into making a ffx3 because that i would buy then end this incredible trilogy of games and admire the great legacy they have carved out

i do get what your saying, i am a newbie to the whole ff thing, it was only when i was starting a new school when my friend showed me his new games, i borrowed them and i had never ever seen a game that looked better, nor a story that was more engaging then ffx, it was brillent, so much better then anything i had ever played. it is trully one of my all time favorite games, so what the battle system in places is difficult to live with and the charectors faces changed from seeing every detail to a smudgy blur, it was trully brillent, you felt every emotion in the game and i could write all day about it but when ffx2 came out, yes it wasnt as good story as its predessesor but it still was better then most r.p.gs, then ff12 came and that was not good in the slightest, squre enix obviously used the game as a last hurrah before the big move to ps3, it was crap, the story didnt add up, the charectors were baqdly thought out, i would have rather played on london racer 2 then on that, the magic was dead and in my opinion square enix need to put every last reasource into making a ffx3 because that i would buy then end this incredible trilogy of games and admire the great legacy they have carved out

It's good that you agree with me and I do see many people doing the same.
Sakaguchi had a special talent, the talent of making Final Fantasy games and movies. (The Spirits Within was a great movie but was released in a bad time and media for its audience)

He still makes games but I doubt he will ever make a FF7/FF10 quality game again since he left Squaresoft and his fellow colleagues.

I would prefer to have Final Fantasy officially end in FFX , than to see it drag and decay over the years, with Enix Square's commercial tormenting of the franchise's name.

P.S. If you want to see Nobuo Uematsu saying that "they shouldn't make final fantasy after Sakaguchi left" go here
http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager.offset=8&cId=3166165

I would have to say I agree with kinslayer6. Final Fantasy has lost its magic. FF12 was fun and different but it didn't feel like a final fantasy. Depending on what ff13 is like it may be my last true FF. It looks like it'll be good and regain some ffism. So we'll see. As for X-2 I thought the game was pretty fun, I liked it. Learning all the class abilities is a little tedious but I still play it, on my 4th time through. I hated the lack of summons (of course there couldn't be cuz ya killed them in X) and no weapons, ultimate weapons are just too classic to get rid of.

Edit: stupid typo's

NO!!!!! OMGD!!!!

*cry*

There'll be the day that FF series will be stoped!?????

*cry*

I promise that I'll own and play FFs for the eternity!!
But why all good things will come to an end...

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I also wish for something...impossible.
As well as all Square Enix games...

That day is sooner than expected!

It would be cool to have all the heros to unite to fight the bad guys and some greater evil.

They should really make a fighting game where anyone from the series can square off.

Good idea no?

It would be cool to have all the heros to unite to fight the bad guys and some greater evil.

They should really make a fighting game where anyone from the series can square off.

Good idea no?

That is DISIDIA No? All the Good Guys Vs. all the Bad Guys, with the Help of COSMOS the Good GODES vs. CHAOS

Id play that kazu.

Id play that kazu.

The day that SE released it everyone will play it, for now you can see Images of the Game in ffdream.com

The day that SE released it everyone will play it, for now you can see Images of the Game in ffdream.com

Ive never knew about that site but thanks for reccomending it,Ill check it out now ^_^

off topic:how was crisis core? I think I saw odin in a cutscene.

Ive never knew about that site but thanks for reccomending it,Ill check it out now ^_^

off topic:how was crisis core? I think I saw odin in a cutscene.

ffdream, have all the Scenes of Crisis Core too, it have a new theme Song, and its great

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

Haha. Its not often you can do that to somebody else eh??

:)

Now I know y u do it!

i think ff is abit like the james bond films, as long theres a demand, they just keep coming. Thats not entirely a bad thing though =D

It'll probably end before Pokemon does.

Now, Ill disagree with all of ur snide remarks!

It'll probably end before Pokemon does.

I dont think so, Pokemon is before the Universe Creation, and Final Fantasy is after that, Pokemon Always be there, but Final Fantasy will End, anytime, no soon, but yes, Anytime

I dont think so, Pokemon is before the Universe Creation, and Final Fantasy is after that, Pokemon Always be there, but Final Fantasy will End, anytime, no soon, but yes, Anytime

How is that different from what I said ?_?

Final Fantasy XIII and Versus might be the grand finale,but SE
could be working on Final Fantasy XIV right now.

How is that different from what I said ?_?

ups, yeah, I read it, wrong... is because I'm a little Sleepy, I read it that you say tah Pokemon will end Before Final Fantasy Sorry

Now, Final Fantasy might end a XIII, BUT, if the game gives them BIG money, they might make XIV. *not likely*

Final Fantasy will keep going for a while yet I think. In the future I think they'll have loads of spin-offs from final fantasy and will rename them and we'll end up with a new name for basically the same series.

Whatever, but with each spin-off will come more failure and less money!

Why do you assume XIII will be the last by the way?

Final. . . Fantasy. . . End?
Final. . . XII. . .
Final. . . XIII. . .

A rather foolish oxymoron.
It could continue forever, people call it a series but it isn't really.
Basically a whole new game with the same title.

Why do you assume XIII will be the last by the way?

Cos' 13's an unlucky number :-P

Fans would never let it end, square-enix would get tons of hate mail if they said XIII was going to be the last one.

Well, I have a thesis! The world will end.....WHEN Final Fantasy ENDS!