*possible spoiler*

Crisis core conflicts with Final fantasy 7 , in relation to Zack�s death.

In the beginning of Final Fantasy 7 , Zack Fair first appears after your first encounter with Aries .
Once your escorting her home you arrive in her slum town, whereby you meet a sick man inside an old engine in need of medicine, who is actually Zack, as he is the same character you see in all the flash backs , also when you arrive back throughout the game when possible , its evident he has left for the reunion , as another NPC mentions that he leaves.
He also has a Number 2 tattoo, if you ever followed the game that closely ^_^

If you compare it with CC everything adds up(the final show down , the dramatic fight , the location , Cloud and Zack)��apart from�..how he actually dies?

I have been speaking with my friends at work, and we all agree something is wrong?

Has anyone else noticed this?

We can�t stop thinking/talking about it , did SquareEnix make a mistake???

Or are we just making our own story up ??

*possible spoiler*

Crisis core conflicts with Final fantasy 7 , in relation to Zack�s death.

In the beginning of Final Fantasy 7 , Zack Fair first appears after your first encounter with Aeris .
Once your escorting her home you arrive in her slum town, whereby you meet a sick man inside an earthen pipe in need of medicine, who is actually Zack, as he is the same character you see in all the flash backs , also when you arrive back throughout the game when possible , its evident he has left for the reunion , as another Non Playable Character mentions that he leaves.
He also has a Number 2 tattoo, if you ever followed the game that closely ^_^

If you compare it with Crisis Core everything adds up(the final show down , the dramatic fight , the location , Cloud and Zack)��apart from�..how he actually dies?

I have been speaking with my friends at work, and we all agree something is wrong?

Has anyone else noticed this?

We can�t stop thinking/talking about it , did SquareEnix make a mistake???

Or am I just making up my own story??

^^^^ Fixed! :smrt:


Zack's been dead. If you played FFVII entirely then you would have found the flashbacks (epsecially the all important Zack heavy ones). Besides, wasn't that crazy sick guy in the Sector-5 slums like a bald sailor or something. I definitely do not believe that it was Zack, I'd believe it was Santa Claus, Jack Skellington, or Bozo the Clown before believing it was Zack.

*possible spoiler*

Crisis core conflicts with Final fantasy 7 , in relation to Zack�s death.

In the beginning of Final Fantasy 7 , Zack Fair first appears after your first encounter with Aries .
Once your escorting her home you arrive in her slum town, whereby you meet a sick man inside an old engine in need of medicine, who is actually Zack

The guy in the pipe was one of the Sephiroth clones gone wrong. I have no idea where you could've gotten the notion that was Zack.


when you arrive back throughout the game when possible , its evident he has left for the reunion , as another NPC mentions that he leaves.
He also has a Number 2 tattoo, if you ever followed the game that closely ^_^

See above.


If you compare it with CC everything adds up(the final show down , the dramatic fight , the location , Cloud and Zack)��apart from�..how he actually dies?

He dies outside of Midgar, after escaping from Nibelheim with Cloud in tow. Shinra soldiers shoot him down for resisting arrest (or because it was their mission all along, I forget)


I have been speaking with my friends at work, and we all agree something is wrong?

Has anyone else noticed this?

We can�t stop thinking/talking about it , did SquareEnix make a mistake???

Or are we just making our own story up ??

I'm pretty sure you're just making your own story up, unless SE decided to completely retcon Zack's part in the game, which I wouldn't put it past them.

The guy in the pipe was one of the Sephiroth clones gone wrong. I have no idea where you could've gotten the notion that was Zack.



See above.



He dies outside of Midgar, after escaping from Nibelheim with Cloud in tow. Shinra soldiers shoot him down for resisting arrest (or because it was their mission all along, I forget)



I'm pretty sure you're just making your own story up, unless SE decided to completely retcon Zack's part in the game, which I wouldn't put it past them.

Well we did play FF7 again just to have a comparison and the guy in the slums looks a lot like the Zack from the flash backs , I would recommend just having a look ^_^ .
Even though it sounds crazy, just trust me on this.
Me and my work mates are so convinced , unless our old eyes are failing us haha.

the guy in the slums looks a lot like the Zack from the flash backs

Ok, now I know you have got to be kidding.

Are you guys just REALLY bored? That guy in the pipe looked nothing like Zack. He was some middle-aged guy wearing cover-alls. Stop making shit up and acting like it is a secret, or canon with the game. I am only saying this once, so either listen and stop doing it or continue and let others like Prak and Hynad devour you. It's your choice.

Yep Zack died somewhere out of Midgar, because of resisting the arrest, Portuguese Colossus is right. ^_^

It`s still hard to get along with his death to me...

The "man"(Zack fair) in the slums has the number 2 tattoo!!Plus he looks like zack!!
Oh my god!!


Check if you dont believe me!!! Take screen shots or whatever you want , i have done the same post on other fan sites , they are all starting to believe me.

^_^ yay!

Yep Zack died somewhere out of Midgar, because of resisting the arrest, Portuguese Colossus is right. ^_^

It`s still hard to get along with his death to me...

I'm not saying that Zack is the retard in the slums like the poster is...didn't Zack actually die in Nibelheim and told Cloud "Kill...Sephiroth...", so unless I'm remembering wrong it seems to me that Mr. Fair has 9 lives and has died twice, if not then the Nibel encounter was only near-death.

But he did not died there in Nibelheim.

But still there are some loose ands in the plot, because of Genesis.

But I`m almost 88% sure that Zack has died because of resisting Shin-Ra. Even in the OVA Last order: Final Fantasy VII it was told that way.

Samuel_D: I`m sure you don`t get something, I don`t clearly remember how the guy in the slums looked, even if it was similar to Zack it was probably because of lack of characters back then, 3D stuff was just begining to get a real form so it`s not such a big deal if they used the same body textured differently.

The "man"(Zack fair) in the slums has the number 2 tattoo!!Plus he looks like zack!!
Oh my god!!


Check if you dont believe me!!! Take screen shots or whatever you want , i have done the same post on other fan sites , they are all starting to believe me.

^_^ yay!

hahaha

This whole Zack Fair thing is getting under my skin. I guess I *need* to play the game again, not for retarded poster's idea but to see when/where Zack really died.

Everyone just play the game again, and make sure you check out "Zack" in the slums.

Zack zack zack zack zack! In the slums!

Square made a mistake during crisis core development , zack actually dies........though how he dies is a mystery....I believe he dies during the reunion , but you never meet a man (Zack fair) with the No 2 tattoo outside of the slums or during your encounters with the cloaked men.

^_^_^_^_^_^_^

Everyone just play the game again, and make sure you check out "Zack" in the slums.

Zack zack zack zack zack! In the slums!

Square made a mistake during crisis core development , zack actually dies........though how he dies is a mystery....I believe he dies during the reunion , but you never meet a man (Zack fair) with the No 2 tattoo outside of the slums or during your encounters with the cloaked men.

^_^_^_^_^_^_^


hahaha I'm calling shenanigans on this guy, maybe joke account or something.

A joke?

Zack Fair is no joke , poor guy has gone through so much.
Everyone just walks past him in the slums , ignoring him........no wonder he dies.

Just play FF7 again and have a look in the slums , eventually the truth will come out.

Poor Zack , i really feel for his family.

No, seriously, you are fucking killing me with this whole "Zack is the guy in the slums even though he looks nothing like Zack in every incarnation Zack has ever had" thing.

sam d u r stoopid

SamD, you must be retarded. The guy in the earthen pipe was wearing cover-alls and an orange cap if I recall or he was bald. That WASN'T Zack retard! Where is Prak when we need him?

Just go back to the slums and have a look , its zack ^_^

Zack Zack Zack , no one else , but Zack.

He has the same tattoo , looks the same , and its zack ^_^ zack is zack in the slums ^_^

I know its hard , but all you have to do is check the slums in the begining of the game. If you ever make it that far.....cause you might die after you find out that its zack.


Its that simple ^_^ , i am sure you all want to prove me wrong.....your only human ^_^ and i am awsome =O

oh and to add , Prak most likely knows it is zack.

I am not concerned about the retard in the slums. As far as I am concerned this topic is yesterday's news.

Well at least you know its zack now.

yeah, its not zack

Well at least you know i'm a twit now.

Fixed! :smrt:

Unless you can prove otherwise , its zack!

Zack Zack Zack....Zack in the slums!

^_^

Its so cool , meeting Zack on the first disk in the slums.

I was like "woah , zack?...OMG its zack"

Once you finish Crisis core , then play FF7 again just to check out all the zack related details , you to will work out that its zack.

^_^ zack zack zack

You are crazy.

OK. Here goes. Aeris did hook-up with Zack at some point in the past.

She would certainly recognize him if that comatose guy in the slum was in fact Zack.
But she doesn't. Neither does Cloud.


He is NOT Zack.


That's an other case of a self-delusion created by a search for correctness and deeper meanings where there really isn't much to dig in anyway.


By the way... just to make sure... Aeris DOESN'T come back to life at the end of the game.

Samuel you're really annoying.

Hynad and Master, I agree with both of you.

Just go back to the slums and have a look , its zack ^_^

Zack Zack Zack , no one else , but Zack.

He has the same tattoo , looks the same , and its zack ^_^ zack is zack in the slums ^_^

I know its hard , but all you have to do is check the slums in the begining of the game. If you ever make it that far.....cause you might die after you find out that its zack.


Its that simple ^_^ , i am sure you all want to prove me wrong.....your only human ^_^ and i am awsome =O

oh and to add , Prak most likely knows it is zack.

what the hell is wrong with you...?Zack is D.E.A.D....killed by Shinra soldiers in FFVII and confirmed in Crisis Core - FFVII and FFVII - Last Order...Stop this fucking 'secret' you have been spreading around as he is D.E.A.D....or I personally kill you myself...

Yes Zack Fair is most definitely dead, if he`d still be in those slums or anywhere else alive, how could he be in the "otherworld" with Aerith?

Zack IS dead. Undeniable evidence can be found in Final Fantasy 7. You just have to revisit Hojo laboratory in Shinra Mansion in Nibelheim at the end of the game. So, You have to do it on Disc 3.

There is a hidden cut-scene there. (checked on North American NTSC release). Found it ages ago ( in 1997 :P )

Cheers.

Oh, we all know about that scene. No reason to brag about that.

The only thing is that some people will create some desperate theories to make the game look like it is deeper than it actually is.

Aeris' resurection back in the days, now this Zack shit...

It seems like 20 years from now, some people will argue that Yuffie is actually the mother of Red XIII's children because you find her first in the wood... Whatever that means.

Oh, we all know about that scene. No reason to brag about that.

The only thing is that some people will create some desperate theories to make the game look like it is deeper than it actually is.

Aeris' resurection back in the days, now this Zack shit...

It seems like 20 years from now, some people will argue that Yuffie is actually the mother of Red XIII's children because you find her first in the wood... Whatever that means.

100% agree.

Aeris' resurrection theories reached a point where they provided extremely good laughs.

I don't know about any of you guys, but one that popped out around where I live involved finding the Sector 5 key and then search around the slums for a certain general or colonel. No more details beyond that.

I don't mind the theories if they make me laugh so if it's Zack back to life they want, let them dig all they feel like.














I hear Zack can be brought back to life with a Super Phoenix Down.

Lets give Samuel D some credit here, yeah,. that guy in the pipe does resemble Zack. However, it was '97, there were plenty of people who looked like other characters in the game. The graphics were terrible. Zack died before ff7, it was confirmed over and over again, seriously, drop it.

and, dont you think aeris would have noticed if it were zack? hmm?

It's been a long time since I last played FF7, but he does die. I thought it was by Sephiroth because that's when Cloud grabs Zack's Buster Sword and tried to kill Sephiroth with it. I don't remember him being gunned down or anything :(.

Anyways, creating stupid theories that can be pointed out to be false is a big waste of time. Especially if you keep saying it's not.

that guy in the pipe does resemble Zack

If you worked as an eyeball acid tester for Acme Inc. of course he resembled Zack. For all you know he probably resembled a bright pink flaming smoking a cigarette and sipping a brandy too.

Zack Fair is the Matrix

Did the guy in the pipe have anything significant to do with the game? Or was that a sidequest/an unfinished portion of the game? I don't remember. Wasn't he just a town drunkard?

Just a Sephiroth clone. His tattoo is mentioned at some point and later in the game he disappears, presumably gone to join the Reunion.

Zack's story is this in a nutshell.

Critically injured at Nibelhiem.
Taken (I think by Hojo) to the Shinra Mansion with Cloud, I forget exactly why. I think testing and healing.
Zack breaks Cloud and himself out.
They hitch a ride to the outskirts of Midgar.
Found by Shinra grunts and Zack is killed and Cloud not bothered with since he was pretty much a veggie in his current state.

They hitch a ride to the outskirts of Midgar.
Found by Shinra grunts and Zack is killed and Cloud not bothered with since he was pretty much a veggie in his current state.

I recently watched Last Order for the first time and was wondering about the last scene, we saw Tseng dispatch the Turks and then the Shinra guys wanted to deal with Zack and Cloud themselves so the Turks wouldn't take the glory or something like that. Are we to believe that if the Shinra guys had waited for the Turks, Zack would not have been killed?

I don't count "Last Order" as canon.

how old is zack?

You fellas got trolled

nope zack is dead. at tha end of crisis core u see him going to heavean. and in advent children u see him with aerith. and aerith is dead 2. and tha dude in tha pipe from ff7 does not look like zack. its a sephiroth clone. zack and cloud were part of a different expirement where they werent even given numbers.

ok...i've played this game about 4 to 5 times , that faggot in the slums is NOT ZACK , Zack died after saving cloud out side midgar....
First they were fighting Sethiroth inside the reactor then after getting hurt they were moved to the basement of the shinra mansion where zack broke them out....cloud at this time was under mako posioning. and could not do anything Zack on the other hand was as strong as angeal.
so he took cloud and ran towards midgar and thats when they were heading to midgar to kill Shin-ra but were stopped by the 2nds and the turks... It was Tseng that authoized the "targets" ( cloud & Zack ) because they were going to stop the Shinra cold in their tracks , however while out of action zack moves to protect Cloud from getting shot, zack being to tired to move gets hit and slowly starts to die....and as he dies in cloud's arms he tells cloud to "protect his honor, and embrace his dreams....and to kill Sethiroth..."
so while cloud was still out of it , he re-writes his past because he thinks he is zack because of his promise to zack when he died.

and the tattoo on that guy in the slums is A #2 but that doesnt mean that is a Sethiroth clone , because there were Mutiple people with numbers that had repeating digits...

Aeris' resurrection theories reached a point where they provided extremely good laughs.

I don't know about any of you guys, but one that popped out around where I live involved finding the Sector 5 key and then search around the slums for a certain general or colonel. No more details beyond that.

I don't mind the theories if they make me laugh so if it's Zack back to life they want, let them dig all they feel like.


I hear Zack can be brought back to life with a Super Phoenix Down.


yeah, and if you send 20$ to Square soft, they beam your memory card with a satellite and give your game save Aeris again. Dude, does ANYONE else remember that whole magazine article?

ROFL how long's this gonna go on for? That Samuel douche hasn't even bothered returning to see the appropriate answers yet.

yeah, and if you send 20$ to Square soft, they beam your memory card with a satellite and give your game save Aeris again. Dude, does ANYONE else remember that whole magazine article?

And this, class, is what an idiot post looks like.

Actually Swami, you're the one being the idiot by not realising Dissace wasn't serious.

Ok, appearantly none of you remember that April Fools day of like 98. They wrote an article about Square promising to bring aeris back to life by paying them, then the next month had to write a retraction because people WERE sending in money telling them to stop. it was haliarious.

Zack is definitely dead. One of the saddest endings i've ever seen. reminded me of aeris dying. It was alot more gruesome though, trying to fight and not being able to do anything about the outcome. Zack is not the guy in the tunnel. that is a sephiroth clone as everyone said. Zack cannot succomb to mako poisoning like Cloud because he was already fused with mako. Cloud was a infantryman when he was captured so he did not have any mako yet. Only Soldier were fused with mako. The next thing is that i have a theory. I think Sephiroth was talking to cloud from the beginning of final fantasy vii and making him believe he was a member of soldier and everything. Everytime he would say something off from his regular story, the screen would flash and the words he is given to say comes up on the screen as if someone is telling him. what do u think?

"What a fascinating story..." - Red XIII, Kalm, Final Fantasy VII

CLOSE THIS THREAD ALREADY

Anyone who says it's Zack deserves a fucking big punch in the face!

In one of the flashbacks during FFVII, YOU SEE ZACK DIE!

How more fkn obvious can it be???

Zack died because he was shot by the Shinra dudes, I think. He was shot because he and Cloud escaped, so the other soldiers shot Zack.

Hope that helps!! :]

Lol, can't you guys recognise a troll when you see one? Why do you need people like Prak and Hynad to get all uptight about a silly troll? Dear oh dear, give me a scone.

Sorry about this double post.


Zack is definitely dead. One of the saddest endings i've ever seen. reminded me of aeris dying. It was alot more gruesome though, trying to fight and not being able to do anything about the outcome. Zack is not the guy in the tunnel. that is a sephiroth clone as everyone said. Zack cannot succomb to mako poisoning like Cloud because he was already fused with mako. Cloud was a infantryman when he was captured so he did not have any mako yet. Only Soldier were fused with mako. The next thing is that i have a theory. I think Sephiroth was talking to cloud from the beginning of final fantasy vii and making him believe he was a member of soldier and everything. Everytime he would say something off from his regular story, the screen would flash and the words he is given to say comes up on the screen as if someone is telling him. what do u think?

From the Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Omega Guide (Officially canon)


***Enigma of the voice*** (Page 68)
As Cloud is trying to place the bomb, a mysterious voice speaks to him. Later,
this same kind of mysterious voice resounds in Cloud's head in the scene where
he and a voice have a conversation, and it offers him reminders. These voices
are the original Cloud, as -- due to Hojo's Sephiroth Clones experiment --
Zack's personality merged with his, creating the present day Cloud, producing
a conflict of multiple personalities(-->P.11).

During the scene in the first mako reactor, what [the voice] says is it
[trying] to point [Cloud] toward the memory of Sephiroth five years ago in
Nibelheim's mako reactor, as the two places were similar. However, Cloud is
not able to listen to the words of the memory.

------------------------
[Analysis: This section confirms that the voice that often talks to Cloud
during the first disc of the game is his subconscious, that part of him that
was buried under the false identity he formed.]


As for this troll malarky, also from the UO Guide;

Cloud was a successful Sephiroth Clone, having the exact results Hojo had hoped for; he wasn't the failure at all, and instead, Zack -- who freed Cloud before he could get a number -- was. Zack could handle the SOLDIER/Sephiroth Clone treatments just fine, and this made him a failure for the purposes of Hojo's experiment.



Obviously it goes without saying that I do not own the rights to the UO guide.

Wow, teacher! I learned sooooo much

CLOSE THIS THREAD ALREADY

Is that just 'cause I started commenting?