Metallica are sell outs, ever since the black album all they have done is dumb down there music with little success. money is all they care about now.

Hot damn, submit that one for your college thesis!

Metallica are sell outs, ever since the black album all they have done is dumb down there music with little success. money is all they care about now.

Hey, 1991 called, they want their complaints back.

What about Load, Reload and st.anger? all shit.

I really liked St. Anger, and I assuredly didn't like the rest of their stuff. But I'm emo, so what do I know?

I liked Post Black album Metallica just as much as Ante Black Album.
If they were sell outs they'd be in chains and singing like wiggers.

How is playing in an alternative style of music mean selling out?

I liked Post Black album Metallica just as much as Ante Black Album.
If they were sell outs they'd be in chains and singing like wiggers.

How is playing in an alternative style of music mean selling out?

It doesn't. Selling out is suddenly changing your musical style to sound much more mainstream, cutting off all your hair, changing your behavior, and screwing over fans doing what made you popular in the first place, all at once. Metallica obviously did and nobody in their right mind can deny that unless they are one of those people who has decided everyone who believes a band can ever do anything for money as opposed to art is crazy.

The thing that's so stupid about this thread is how blatantly obvious and unhelpful it is. Thanks, detective!

The hair cutting doesn't really mean anything, the only people screwed were Napster whores (It was only the drummer fag who hammered this crusade against Napster) and Thrash fanboys (they can be annoying cunts) who didn't like hard rock in the end.
Not the end of the world, but IMO hard rock obviously owns Thrash any day. (I'm going to be killed for that)

Look at The other members of the big 4...
Megadeth are still Thrash but their sound has nulled over the years from what Thrash really is, Mustaine's the only original member left. Slayer is just shite now and Anthrax, wtf ever happened to them, they were good. In the 80's and 90's.

Selling out usually means producing shit. IMO Load was the best album since AJFA. The Black Album was over rated and to me seems more commercial as a whole. I don't really see how they sold out from alternating to another style in music and cutting your hair = selling out.

Not the end of the world, but IMO hard rock obviously owns Thrash any day. (I'm going to be killed for that)

Well, not killed, but come on, :p I couldn't disagree more with that. How Metallica first started out > so much more than the hard rock of later albums.

The hair cutting doesn't really mean anything, the only people screwed were Napster whores (It was only the drummer fag who hammered this crusade against Napster) and Thrash fanboys (they can be annoying cunts) who didn't like hard rock in the end.
Not the end of the world, but IMO hard rock obviously owns Thrash any day. (I'm going to be killed for that)

Look at The other members of the big 4...
Megadeth are still Thrash but their sound has nulled over the years from what Thrash really is, Mustaine's the only original member left. Slayer is just shite now and Anthrax, wtf ever happened to them, they were good. In the 80's and 90's.

Selling out usually means producing shit. IMO Load was the best album since AJFA. The Black Album was over rated and to me seems more commercial as a whole. I don't really see how they sold out from alternating to another style in music and cutting your hair = selling out.

Selling out just means compromising your music for the sake of money as opposed to genuine artistic growth. Whether Metallica's "sell out" material was shit or not is entirely subjective and cannot be answered definitively. Whether they changed their direction for fame and glory does have a definite answer, and even if we can't know it for sure, all signs point to yes. Whether it actually matters is still another question altogether.

Hey, 1991 called, they want their complaints back.

Seriously. Why are you discussing this.

The term's just too loosely used these days, that's my only problem. I like people to emphasize instead of using the word loosely.

Sell out or not, there's nothing that can really be done. James Hetfield can't magically recover his vocal abilities from ante 1997.

Seriously. Why are you discussing this.

Hey, I didn't start the thread, I insulted the thread starter.

ricky i think he was quoting your post as a springboard for his own rather than to reply to it

Oh, my bad. >_>

ricky i think he was quoting your post as a springboard for his own rather than to reply to it

I was indeed.

Metallica had always played kiddie-friendly thrash/hard rock. They've always been sellouts. Anyone who is into any sort of metal should have gotten over them by 15.

There were so many better thrash bands out at the time that Metallica was starting to get big, but Metallica had a radio friendly thrash sound to go along with the thrash attitude. But that doesn't take away from the fact that during the 80's they came out with some of the most solid metal of the decade that still stands the test of time. Now I'm not gonna call them sellouts for the fact that they changed the sound of the music, or that they cut their hair. They were pushing their 30's, and they probably got sick of having stringy grease rags in their hair. What makes me call them sellouts is that they no longer look at their careers as making music, or being artists, but rather that it's just a job that you get paid to do. And the fact that Lars went out, and castrated the same fans that would've come and seen the shows, where they make the real money.

And on that note, lets stop bring up that age old argument in the metal scene. Seriously, it's old, it's worn out, and we've all heard every point to go along with it.

Here's my 2 cents:

Metallica are sellouts.

Not because they sound different, all bands do this. Original fans of all bands hate change. The minute a band makes one song that sounds different, fans cry. Bands change because they actually improve musically. They learn to play better, and their music gets more refined. It's called improvement.

Not because they changed their image. They're old, how the hell are they going to keep being long haired rockers. James and Lars had receding hairlines, and hair loss since the black album. How the hell would they look now if they still dressed like they used to? Like a bunch of guys in a midlife crisis.

Not because they're making big money. Yeah, people make music their lives, but no one refuses a paycheck. If someone were to pay you for doing something you already love doing, would you refuse? I doubt it.

They sold out when they fought Napster. That's when they showed that they were greedy, and went against everything they were known for. Online piracy doesn't hurt sales, in fact it boosts them. Many bands have gained sales and a bigger fan base from this. Even bands starting out have gotten bigger sales then they would've before online piracy.

By the way I was kidding, they are my favorite band, but I am just seeing what people respond to that accusation of them say. Even if they did I don't care most of of it is good, though reload and st.anger had some really god awful material on them.

Online piracy doesn't hurt sales, in fact it boosts them.

Album sales in general have gone down further and further the last few years. The internet does help a lot of people get into things easier, but when a shit load of said people are just downloading everything for free, it's not really helping sales now is it?

Anyway, I don't really want to get into this whole subject. It's something I've discussed tons and tons of times as a Metallica fan. It's fucking worn out. Metal heads need something new to bitch about. God damn it.

I've got an issue to bitch about as a metalhead, why the fuck is Sepultura's new album not being promoted, and viewed as one of the greatest metal albums of the decade.

I've got an issue to bitch about as a metalhead, why the fuck is Sepultura's new album not being promoted, and viewed as one of the greatest metal albums of the decade.

Are you talking about Dante XXI? It's definitely the best Green album yet, but that isn't saying much. Sepultura sounds like just another lousy thrash band now. This "groove metal" gimmick is tired, and while it's nice and progressive to have a singing Negro Green can't touch Max Cavalera at his peak. I wish they'd just give up the ghost and disband.

Album sales in general have gone down further and further the last few years. The internet does help a lot of people get into things easier, but when a shit load of said people are just downloading everything for free, it's not really helping sales now is it?The biggest example could give you is Radiohead. They got huge when tracks for Kid A leaked out. Pretty much, it's the fact that technology has gotten to the point where you can get perfect copies of tracks, as to before, when the tracks weren't that great. I think the whole publicity of file sharing is what made more people download stuff.
Till the whole lawsuit hearings happened, my friends and I didn't know a thing about file sharing. Now, my friends get stuff all the time.

I've got an issue to bitch about as a metalhead, why the fuck is Sepultura's new album not being promoted, and viewed as one of the greatest metal albums of the decade.

I hope you're kidding. Dante XXI's not being promoted b/c it sucks. In fact, everything they've done after Chaos A.D. has sucked. And it's not even Sepultura anymore. It is most definitely NOT one of the greatest metal albums of the decade. Like JCR said, Sep should just give up the fucking ghost.

When you compare some of the crap that's come out this decade, or even within the last ten years, Dante XXI is miles beyond most of it. But then again, my opinion isn't really valid considering I'm a goddamn Sepultura fanboy.

Here's another issue I've got to bitch about, why the fuck does Trivium have a career?

When you compare some of the crap that's come out this decade, or even within the last ten years, Dante XXI is miles beyond most of it.

Here's a list of outstanding albums that have been released since 1997:

Meads of Asphodel's Damascus Steel
Blind Guardian's Nightall in Middle-earth
Finntroll's Visor Om Slutet
Wizard's Odin
Pelican's Australasia
!T.O.O.H.!'s Rad A Trest
Asmegin's Hin Vordende Sod & So
Gamma Ray's Somewhere Out in Space
Earth's Hex (Or, Printing in the Infernal Method) as well as the subsequent live album, Live Hex
Falkenbach's Heralding the Fireblade
Sad Legend's Sad Legend
Korpiklaani's Spirit of the Forest

And this is just a tiny frction of what's come out in the past ten years. Open up your ears sometime and give this stuff a listen.

If you want any of this stuff, by the way, all you have to do is ask and I'll up it for you.

Here's a list of outstanding albums that have been released since 1997:

Meads of Asphodel's Damascus Steel
Blind Guardian's Nightall in Middle-earth
Finntroll's Visor Om Slutet
Wizard's Odin
Pelican's Australasia
!T.O.O.H.!'s Rad A Trest
Asmegin's Hin Vordende Sod & So
Gamma Ray's Somewhere Out in Space
Earth's Hex (Or, Printing in the Infernal Method) as well as the subsequent live album, Live Hex
Falkenbach's Heralding the Fireblade
Sad Legend's Sad Legend
Korpiklaani's Spirit of the Forest

And this is just a tiny frction of what's come out in the past ten years. Open up your ears sometime and give this stuff a listen.

If you want any of this stuff, by the way, all you have to do is ask and I'll up it for you.

I should've retracted that previous statement, and replaced it with "Shit I'VE heard in the last ten years." But I'm also a very picky listener.

Here's my 2 cents:

Metallica are sellouts.

Not because they sound different, all bands do this. Original fans of all bands hate change. The minute a band makes one song that sounds different, fans cry. Bands change because they actually improve musically. They learn to play better, and their music gets more refined. It's called improvement.

Not because they changed their image. They're old, how the hell are they going to keep being long haired rockers. James and Lars had receding hairlines, and hair loss since the black album. How the hell would they look now if they still dressed like they used to? Like a bunch of guys in a midlife crisis.

Not because they're making big money. Yeah, people make music their lives, but no one refuses a paycheck. If someone were to pay you for doing something you already love doing, would you refuse? I doubt it.

They sold out when they fought Napster. That's when they showed that they were greedy, and went against everything they were known for. Online piracy doesn't hurt sales, in fact it boosts them. Many bands have gained sales and a bigger fan base from this. Even bands starting out have gotten bigger sales then they would've before online piracy.


It was only the ugly duckling Lars Ulrich that made that silly campaign. James Hetfield was in rehab, Jason Newsted was no longer in the band and couldn't care less, Kirk Hammett was on his ranch or something.

Besides Napster sucked balls and the dispute was over the leaks of demos of songs not yet released, James Hetfield himself encouraged bootlegging during concerts.


There have been some brilliant albums released in the last few years but all this emo/nu/metalcore shit spinning around is NOT music. That's right Slipknot, Linkin Park, Killswitch Engage and My Chemical Romance fans. NOT MUSIC. I don't need to emphasize because anyone with ears and unslashed wrists will know what I mean.


A few examples of good albums within the last decade:

Iron Maiden's Virtual XI, Brave New World and A Matter Of Life And Death
DIO's Magica and Master Of The Moon

W.A.S.P.'s Neon God Series and Dominator

Judas Priest's Angel of Retribution is brilliant.

some of Iced Earth's stuff recently is good stuff.

Alice Cooper's new albums are quite good stuff too, Dirty Diamonds is made of as much win as loss! Probably more even.

all within the last 10 years. Sure it's all covered up by the pop emocore nu metal core, rap rock and moaning and groaning metal but it's there.

All of those suggestions were pretty bad, but c'mon! Virtual XI? Framing Armageddon? You've got to be joking!

X factor was better then Virtual XI

Virtual XI had Futureal, Clansman, Angel and The Gambler though, The X Factor came out before 1997 though.

Well sorry if I didn't suggest the death metal albums, that stuff sounds the same, with no receding or proceeding quality always has done, part of what makes the genre so dull to me and why I avoid it. tbh I hate anything past hardcore thrash.

There is some good death metal, but every band that has come out since Death or Diecide has tried to copy Death or Diecide.

It was only the ugly duckling Lars Ulrich that made that silly campaign. James Hetfield was in rehab, Jason Newsted was no longer in the band and couldn't care less, Kirk Hammett was on his ranch or something.

Besides Napster sucked balls and the dispute was over the leaks of demos of songs not yet released, James Hetfield himself encouraged bootlegging during concerts.


There have been some brilliant albums released in the last few years but all this emo/nu/metalcore shit spinning around is NOT music. That's right Slipknot, Linkin Park, Killswitch Engage and My Chemical Romance fans. NOT MUSIC. I don't need to emphasize because anyone with ears and unslashed wrists will know what I mean.


A few examples of good albums within the last decade:

Iron Maiden's Virtual XI, Brave New World and A Matter Of Life And Death
DIO's Magica and Master Of The Moon

W.A.S.P.'s Neon God Series and Dominator

Judas Priest's Angel of Retribution is brilliant.

some of Iced Earth's stuff recently is good stuff.

Alice Cooper's new albums are quite good stuff too, Dirty Diamonds is made of as much win as loss! Probably more even.

all within the last 10 years. Sure it's all covered up by the pop emocore nu metal core, rap rock and moaning and groaning metal but it's there.
Lars is the frontman of Metallica, and always consults James before any decisions. Kirk, well... he always says he just plays guitar. As for Jason, he always said he never felt like part of the band. So yeah, if they all stood back and said nothing, they pretty much decided to go along.

I agree with you. Nu-metal sucks ass. Rap rock can be good if it's done right like RATM, Anthrax/Public Enemy, or even RHCP - although RHCP is more Funk Rock.

Also

I don't care what anyone says, EMO isn't Hardcore!!! Never was, Never will be!!!

There is some good death metal, but every band that has come out since Death or Diecide has tried to copy Death or Diecide.

I disagree. What about Swedish Death Metal (At The Gates, Arch Enemy), or the gore metal bands that didn't adhere to many of the limits presented by the thrash-heavy Scream Bloody Gore (which, by the way, wasn't the first of its kind, as it had many themes copied from Michigan band Repulsion's demos and 1986 album Horrified)? Granted, most technical death metal bands gained most influence from either Death, Atheist, or Cynic (Death being the most renowned) but bands like Nile, Spawn of Possession, and Psychroptic, Cryptopsy, etc. gathered a lot of influence from early Carcass (Reek and Symphonies), which obviously sounds very different than Death and Deicide. And yes, some DM bands do continue Anti-Christian themes (i.e. Behemoth and, to some extent, Morbid Angel), however, Deicide didn't start that. Venom and Possessed did. And early bands like Death, Deicide, Pestilence, Entombed, Autopsy, and Obituary grew up listening to thrash, and that's reflected in their music. Bands like Carcass, Suffocation, and Vader built songs from the first DM pioneers, and so started speeding everything up. Now we have blindingly fast bands like Cryptopsy, Dying Fetus, and Nile. Also, Neo-Classical styles have found their way in the music of some death metal (Necrophagist). So all in all, contemporary DM bands are sounding quite different from early DM bands. Not every DM band or even every "good" death metal band has tried to copy Death or Deicide.

There is some good DM I admit, but the stuff thrown at us since those fags called Deicide fux'd our ears, enough to put me off DM for good.

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Sorry guys, death aint my thing. Morbid Angel, Children of Bodom, Death and Venom are good although Venom is Thrash/Black.

None of the bands I mentioned play death metal.

I really wish people who don't know much about metal beyond NWOBHM and thrash would stop grouping everything else under "death metal".

um...i dont know how much power i have in this little chat seeing that i could really care less about the group...(gulp)...but yeah this topic sucks and dude your wromg, they arnt sellouts, they did what the saw...or thought they saw was good for humanity and the art world, and im pretty sure that if they read this they would come after you with bats guns bricks and chainsaws...please dont hate me, im new here

um...i dont know how much power i have in this little chat seeing that i could really care less about the group...(gulp)...but yeah this topic sucks and dude your wromg, they arnt sellouts, they did what the saw...or thought they saw was good for humanity and the art world, and im pretty sure that if they read this they would come after you with bats guns bricks and chainsaws...please dont hate me, im new here

I think you have Metallica mixed up with a street gang.

There is nothing worse than people who go nuts when you insult their music of choice and say things like "Man, if ICP was here right now they'd KILL YOU for saying that!"

Also, "good for humanity"?

None of the bands I mentioned play death metal.

I really wish people who don't know much about metal beyond NWOBHM and thrash would stop grouping everything else under "death metal".

Keep in mind those people who only know NWOBHM or Thrash, don't even know that much about either sub-genre in the first place. These types are the ones who don't even know what NWOBHM means, and the only thrash bands they can name are The Big 4. I know I get a lot of blank looks when I name off Destruction, Kreator, Exodus, or Hirax, but they go apeshit when I name Metallica.

yeah mybad man just lookin inon the convo...i see my curiosity doesnt pay off here so...im gunna just find a door and let u music "pros" finish this up...see ya

Keep in mind those people who only know NWOBHM or Thrash, don't even know that much about either sub-genre in the first place. These types are the ones who don't even know what NWOBHM means, and the only thrash bands they can name are The Big 4. I know I get a lot of blank looks when I name off Destruction, Kreator, Exodus, or Hirax, but they go apeshit when I name Metallica.Yep!
These are the same people that scoff other people in the genre for not being huge fans of the mainstream bands.

I'll admit, that aside from Exodus, I had the same blank look, but that's only cause I don't really follow those genres closely. My friends however do, and whenever I hang out with them, they show me different bands that I either find pretty cool, or just don't really get.
I used to be a metalhead back in the day. As I met new friends, I got into all kinds of other stuff. Now, I'm into everything - except Emo, which is basically Punk, but "sensitive" and without the FTW attitude.

A band selling out does not bother me.

Why?

'Cos I'd fucking sell out if it meant I could live a life of luxury! Seriously, if dedicated fans aren't going to make me rich, then fuck them!

Yep!
These are the same people that scoff other people in the genre for not being huge fans of the mainstream bands.

I'll admit, that aside from Exodus, I had the same blank look, but that's only cause I don't really follow those genres closely. My friends however do, and whenever I hang out with them, they show me different bands that I either find pretty cool, or just don't really get.
I used to be a metalhead back in the day. As I met new friends, I got into all kinds of other stuff. Now, I'm into everything - except Emo, which is basically Punk, but "sensitive" and without the FTW attitude.

What are you saying? There's no way you could have been a metalhead back in the day because you know precisely nothing about the genre. Just because we know more about metal than our grandmothers does not mean that we're obsessed with the it and listen to nothing else. I don't know bout Ozing but I listen to jazz music all the time. I'm also a fan of Leonard Cohen and bossa nova music.


yeah mybad man just lookin inon the convo...i see my curiosity doesnt pay off here so...im gunna just find a door and let u music "pros" finish this up...see ya

I'll be glad to see your passive-aggressive bullshit gone from the thread.

I'm neither a Thrash now NWOBHM Whore, I listen to mostly 70's/80's hard rock:
AC/DC, Deep Purple, Rainbow, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd (can be classified as hard rock), Alice Cooper.

Heavy Metal is just the other half: Billy Idol, Def Leppard, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Dokken, Metallica, Anthrax (Some of their stuff is good), W.A.S.P., Black Sabbath, DIO, Yngwie Malmsteen and Alcatrazz.


I don't bash people for not liking my areas, unless it's 2 genres against eachother like techno vs rock or rap vs metal. That's when it's legal in my books.


Flotsam and Jetsam and Testament are some of the only thrash bands outside the big 4 I like, Thrash isn't my thing all in all.

What are you saying? There's no way you could have been a metalhead back in the day because you know precisely nothing about the genre. Just because we know more about metal than our grandmothers does not mean that we're obsessed with the it and listen to nothing else. I don't know bout Ozing but I listen to jazz music all the time. I'm also a fan of Leonard Cohen and bossa nova music.Whatever dude! :rolleyes:
You don't know anything about me.
Metal was the first type of music I ever got into back in the late 80's!
around '95, I started listening to other stuff.
Practically all the metal bands that started coming out after the mid 90's, pretty much sucked IMO. Only recently have I heard some pretty decent stuff come out from Metalcore.

Anyways, who said anything about you guys being obsessed with just Metal. I was referring to the fact that I stop listening to Metal cause I got into other musical genres, hence the reason why I don't recognize those bands you mentioned from '97.

I'm fuckin SORRY that I stopped keeping up with the genre when I thought it turned into crap!
It's practically the same reason why I stopped keeping up with Punk and Hardcore when it turned into crap these last few years IMO.

Keep in mind those people who only know NWOBHM or Thrash, don't even know that much about either sub-genre in the first place. These types are the ones who don't even know what NWOBHM means, and the only thrash bands they can name are The Big 4. I know I get a lot of blank looks when I name off Destruction, Kreator, Exodus, or Hirax, but they go apeshit when I name Metallica.

Actually the blank looks might be because you come off like a fucking douchebag if you actually "name off" bands

also I support JCR in this thread

Actually the blank looks might be because you come off like a fucking douchebag if you actually "name off" bands

also I support JCR in this threadActually the douchebags are the people that are supposedly "metalheads" who seem to constitute who is and who isn't a Metalhead just because those people aren't into the bands they like.

IMO the mid-late '90s sucked for Metal. Only now has it actually gotten better.
If you guys like the crap from the mid 90's, that's fine, but who gave you guys the authority to say who's a Metalhead.

I agree with Zing.

Actually the blank looks might be because you come off like a fucking douchebag if you actually "name off" bands

Usually my thrash conversations go like this.

Guy: "I'm into a lot of metal. I like a lot of thrash! I love thrash!"
Me: "Cool, I like a lot of (insert various band names)"
Guy: "(Blank look) Oh, I only know Slayer, Metallica, Megadeth, and Anthrax. (Blank look)"
Me: "Oh, well you should check them out sometime, they kick ass!"
Guy: "Cool"
*Continue Conversation about music*

Actually the douchebags are the people that are supposedly "metalheads" who seem to constitute who is and who isn't a Metalhead just because those people aren't into the bands they like.

IMO the mid-late '90s sucked for Metal. Only now has it actually gotten better.
If you guys like the crap from the mid 90's, that's fine, but who gave you guys the authority to say who's a Metalhead.

I agree with Zing.

I don't know if anyone said who is and isn't "a metalhead," because I am very much not one, and I certainly don't have that authority. I do think it's funny when people like a genre but then decide a whole decade of it is not worth listening to. I call this laziness.

At any rate, that really is not the point.


Usually my thrash conversations go like this.

Guy: "I'm into a lot of metal. I like a lot of thrash! I love thrash!"
Me: "Cool, I like a lot of (insert various band names)"
Guy: "(Blank look) Oh, I only know Slayer, Metallica, Megadeth, and Anthrax. (Blank look)"
Me: "Oh, well you should check them out sometime, they kick ass!"
Guy: "Cool"
*Continue Conversation about music*

Yes, this is kind of my point. Anyone who, upon hearing the name of a musical genre, immediately starts producing a list of bands so as to prove their knowledge of it, has a problem.

Or I could just simply be explaining the kind of bands that I listen to for the sake of conversation, and simply getting to know someone. And if you're gonna call me a douche bag, keep in mind that you quickly jumped up on a soapbox, and started talking down to me. So that's really not much better than me listing off band names for the sake of conversation.

I'm not talking down to you, I'm telling right at the same level that you look like a douchebag if somebody mentions a genre and you immediately start spitting out band names.

I don't know if anyone said who is and isn't "a metalhead," because I am very much not one, and I certainly don't have that authority. I do think it's funny when people like a genre but then decide a whole decade of it is not worth listening to. I call this laziness.Whatever. Like I said. I stopped listening to metal when the newer bands that came in sounded like shit which flooded the genre. All the bands I listened to, either broke up, began sounding like the newer bands, or got harder to find when their labels dropped them. At the same time, I began getting interested in other genres.
I didn't stop liking Metal, just simply took a hiatus to let the shit pass on, which is why I like the metal that's coming out now, which is pretty much a mix of most of the genres I like.

Yes, this is kind of my point. Anyone who, upon hearing the name of a musical genre, immediately starts producing a list of bands so as to prove their knowledge of it, has a problem.

I'm not talking down to you, I'm telling right at the same level that you look like a douchebag if somebody mentions a genre and you immediately start spitting out band names.He's not mentioning names to prove his knowledge, it's to strike up a conversation about a band. I've done this, and several people have done this to me. That's how a conversation works. You find a common ground, and elaborate more to keep the conversation going. Hopefully If done right, both people will go deeper into the subject which will eventually lead into different topics.
Besides, by doing this you inform people of bands they don't know about so they can check them out.

The real douchebags are the people how do the same thing, but instead go off and alienate people for their limited knowledge.

I'm not talking down to you, I'm telling right at the same level that you look like a douchebag if somebody mentions a genre and you immediately start spitting out band names.

Let me do an updated version of how my music conversations go.

Guy: I like to listen to a lot of thrash metal. (Conversation starter)
Me: Oh really? What all do you listen to? (Asking him what bands he listens to for the sake of finding common ground.)
Guy: (Names off the Big 4)
Me: Oh, you ever listen to any (Random band name, again asking questions for common ground)
Guy: Nah, never heard of them, are they any good? (Guy, who's obviously very interested in what I have to say.)
Me: Oh they're pretty good. (Enter long description of said band)
Guy: Oh, sounds bad ass.
Me: Yeah, (Random band names) are pretty awesome too.
Guy: Sweet, (moves on to next conversation.)

And the quote that started this little misunderstanding was this.


I know I get a lot of blank looks when I name off Destruction, Kreator, Exodus, or Hirax, but they go apeshit when I name Metallica.

I should have worded this better, this statement was directed towards people who claim to have so much knowledge in the subject, and when it turns out they have very limited knowledge, you're thinking, "God, what a cock." It's the same for any subject, you get the one guy who claims to be all knowing, and when it turns out he's boasting an ego, you get annoyed.

And I don't claim to be "all knowing" when it comes to Thrash, or just metal in general, because as it turns, compared to other people, my knowledge is quite limited too.

Guy: I like to listen to a lot of thrash metal. (Conversation starter)
Me: Oh really? What all do you listen to? (Asking him what bands he listens to for the sake of finding common ground.)
Guy: (Names off the Big 4)
Me: Oh, you ever listen to any (Random band name, again asking questions for common ground)
Guy: Nah, never heard of them, are they any good? (Guy, who's obviously very interested in what I have to say.)
Me: Oh they're pretty good. (Enter long description of said band)
Guy: Oh, sounds bad ass.
Me: Yeah, (Random band names) are pretty awesome too.
Guy: Sweet, (moves on to next conversation.)

Yup. Sounds douchebaggy to me.

Yup. Sounds douchebaggy to me.

If talking about music, and talking about various bands I listen to, makes me a douche bag, then allow me to be the first one to apologize for even being a music fan. In fact, let's just get rid of the music forum altogether because there are a lot of people who name off bands in this forum, and that makes them total douche bags. And just to add icing on the cake, let's go spam some message boards about music, because they're totally douche bags for naming off bands that they listen to. :rolleyes:

Yup. Sounds douchebaggy to me.Why does that sound douchebaggy? :eye:

Well then, enlighten us. How would you make a conversation not sound "douchebaggy"? :rolleyes:

It was only the ugly duckling Lars Ulrich that made that silly campaign. James Hetfield was in rehab, Jason Newsted was no longer in the band and couldn't care less, Kirk Hammett was on his ranch or something.


I'm going to be a picky bitch and correct you

Ulrich wasn't necessarily the only one against it, the whole band was, he was just the talking head for it all, and it was all mostly fueled by their management, Q Prime, Inc, they were the main guys saying WTF and inspiring Lars to go crusade against it. Metallica wasn't even the only artist against Napster and file sharing, but for some reason they're the only ones people bitch about.

Hetfield wasn't in rehab during the Napster ordeal, that was over a year later.

Newstead was in the band during the Napster ordeal, he left the next year.

In 2000 when the Napster thing had happened they were very much an active, busy band still, they had just released an album (S&M), were on the MI:2 Soundtrack, and were gearing up for a summer stadium tour.

I really liked St. Anger, and I assuredly didn't like the rest of their stuff. But I'm emo, so what do I know?

Not much.

Load had some decent songs, Reload was forced writing, and St. Anger was boring.

7 months later, you really burned me :rolleyes:

Yeah..Metallica are pretty dire.

Yo Black Eyed Peas win the shit hands down, I find it funny the same sellouts they used to rap about is what they became.

Just check out their old stuff you wont believe it, true sellouts.

Regarding Metallica, though I like the pre-black album stuff better I still enjoy most of their music post-black album.