chewey
08-24-2007, 09:18 AM
http://www.vgchartz.com/

Good job, Nintendo. ^_^

Mario Kinnikuman
08-24-2007, 09:26 AM
Let's celebrate the moment while it lasts, even if it's brief in the long run. :cool:

Hynad
08-24-2007, 11:27 AM
Let's celebrate the moment while it lasts, even if it's brief in the long run. :cool:

Do you base that solely on the power of the systems?

Because if so, just watch what is happening with the PSP and the DS.

If Nintendo can continue to come up with inovative ideas to keep pushing the potential of the Wii further, than maybe it will last longer than most graphic whores think.

Tact
08-24-2007, 12:05 PM
that's incredible when you realize that the wii came out like forever after the 360. O_o..just...wow!

Draven
08-24-2007, 05:24 PM
Let's celebrate the moment while it lasts, even if it's brief in the long run. :cool:



Brief? it can only get better

Vastalis
08-24-2007, 06:11 PM
Hopefully this will give third party developers the kick in the ass they need to better integrate Wii technology to exploit this run.

J. Peterman
08-24-2007, 06:19 PM
THIS RUN IS GOING TO LAST FOREVER!

NINTENDO FOREVER! MICROSOFT AND SONY NEVER!

until suikoden comes out then i'll probably get ps3 or something

Draven
08-24-2007, 06:39 PM
THIS RUN IS GOING TO LAST FOREVER!

NINTENDO FOREVER! MICROSOFT AND SONY NEVER!

until suikoden comes out then i'll probably get ps3 or something


very true, an think ill get a ps3 in about just over a year

Vastalis
08-24-2007, 08:16 PM
Why do i have a feeling PS3 will make a surprise price drop this winter to go along with the new MSG.
This worked for the PS1 right around FF7's release.
Trust me, I kicked myself in the ass when this happened a month after buying a Saturn. :notgood:

TK
08-24-2007, 09:58 PM
I was surprised back when the Wii was new, but now its success isn't shocking to me anymore. After all those months with no places having them in stock at all, I kind of expected it to pass 360.

Even a few years ago, I would have been thrilled, since for a long time I really wanted to see Nintendo "back on top." Now I really don't care.

J. Peterman
08-24-2007, 10:10 PM
SONY BOY ARE THEY MORONS IF I HAD THE PS3 I WOULD'VE MADE IT DA BOMB!

Mario Kinnikuman
08-25-2007, 12:05 AM
Do you base that solely on the power of the systems?

No. I base that statement on the fact that the during the previous two generations of Video Game consoles, Nintendo's sales per console have been rather abysmal. The Wii debuted strong, and is the comeback Nintendo needed in the console category. I'm merely wondering how long the Wii can sustain it's momentum. Heretofore, the Wii's sales has a nice average comparing it to the time it took the Xbox360 to accumulate those numbers. It's great to be in the limelight again in the console category, and it obviously hasn't been that way for Nintendo since the Super Nintendo. Also, I've never fretted for Nintendo in the hand held category, seeing as that's always been their forte.


Brief? it can only get better

Keyword: If.

There's always that nagging sense that because the competition is straggling behind now, doesn't necessarily guarantee it will always remain that way indefinitely. This is only round one of the current console wars, furthermore, and a lot has yet to develop for all three systems still. I think the PS3 has yet to show it's full potential, and until then, it would be best for anyone not to underestimate it. Hopefully as the price of the PS3 drops, so will the Wii, in order to offset the PS3's increase in sales.

Here's hoping for that sales gap of the Wii to continue widening between the Xbox360 and PS3 in the future. Cheers.

Vastalis
08-25-2007, 03:22 AM
That's the thing though. Most people I talk to say that they're debating on whether or not to get either - they're very tempted in getting the Xbox, but are cautious since their friends got burned when Microsoft dropped the price. They also say that if the PS3 were to be cheaper, they'd get it on the spot.

Price is pretty much the big factor that's dragging the PS3 from catching up.

KREAYSHAWN
08-25-2007, 03:43 AM
well that and the sucky games

but i don't think i like games much anymore. i'm probably a bad judge.

J. Peterman
08-25-2007, 03:46 AM
IF YOU WERE ON THE SUPREME COURT I WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT AMERICA!

Zenigata
08-25-2007, 09:34 AM
Price is pretty much the big factor that's dragging the PS3 from catching up.

That and the fact that's the price is going right back up to its original $599.99 tag once the 60 GB models are cleared out.


but are cautious since their friends got burned when Microsoft dropped the price.

I also believe that a good chunk of potential 360 owners are also putting the numerous technical problems the console has into serious consideration.

Vastalis
08-26-2007, 12:28 AM
That and the fact that's the price is going right back up to its original $599.99 tag once the 60 GB models are cleared out.I doubt it - unless you've read or heard about it some where, that'll kill the PS3
Anyways
The best strategy they can make is secretly make a price drop this fall or winter. People and companies are already interested in Blueray, and the only reason why Paramount jumped to HD is cause Microsoft paid them off. Microsoft is trying everything they can to kill PS3 including bribery - they don't seem too confident relying on 360's popularity.

I also believe that a good chunk of potential 360 owners are also putting the numerous technical problems the console has into serious consideration.Yeah, I know. Most of the people I know though, haven't considered or don't even know about the bug. We'll see what happens when Halo 3 and other long play games come out. Microsoft better get on their asses to solve the problem.

Another thing to consider is their new upgrade 360. That might just burn even more 360 owners who catch the bug on their old systems.

J. Peterman
08-26-2007, 01:01 AM
THERE HAVE BEEN REPORTS LIKE SAYING PS3 GO BACK IN PRICE ONE THEY HAVE NEW BIGGER HARD DRIVE MAN SONY IS DUMB YOU DON'T MAKE A VIDEO GAME SYSTEM MAN A MEDIA MEGA-ALL MATERIA THAT IS LIKE DUMB YOU MAKE IT LIGHT SO YOU CAN THROW AT YOUR BROTHERS WHEN YOU GET MAD!

Jemeela
08-26-2007, 01:56 AM
a lot of parents want something their kids can play without blood and gore in it. so the wii is the one for them. also it's cute for girls too. so they can get one machine and please the younger/brother or sister. and the cheaper price seals the deal.




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jewess crabcake
08-26-2007, 02:32 AM
a lot of parents want something their kids can play without blood and gore in it. so the wii is the one for them. also it's cute for girls too. so they can get one machine and please the younger/brother or sister. and the cheaper price seals the deal.




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That is so untrue Manhunts out on the Wii, the whole nintendo = great choice for impressionable kids is dumb, if your stupid enough to let the fuck get an M rated game any mental trauma is your fault. as far as for younger brothers/sister


!0_0!?

If I buy a console, fuck my siblings that shit is mines, go find the joys of porn or something.

Vastalis
08-26-2007, 02:38 AM
lol

I just remembered.
The porn industry is the deciding factor to whether we go HD or Blueray.
That's what decided the Beta/VHS wars of the 70's!
:smrt:

jewess crabcake
08-26-2007, 02:51 AM
I also heard the realism of Blu-ray porn is unsetling, lol.

Argus Zephyrus
08-26-2007, 03:16 AM
lolz


Do you have any samples?

jewess crabcake
08-26-2007, 03:37 AM
I don't think Blu-Ray porn is out for d/l yet and my lack of a Video card would make it unsatisfying.

Vastalis
08-26-2007, 04:07 AM
It's like you're there! :shock:
lol

Zenigata
08-26-2007, 10:59 AM
I doubt it - unless you've read or heard about it some where, that'll kill the PS3

It's true.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6175011.html
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/bye-bye/60gb-playstation-3-re+discontinued-278425.php



The best strategy they can make is secretly make a price drop this fall or winter.

I don't believe it's going to happen. In their eyes, Sony believes they've made a price drop when they lowered the 60 GB model by a hundred bucks. If there's to be another price drop, it'll probably occur between the next summer and the '08 holiday season.

jewess crabcake
08-26-2007, 01:14 PM
That' what they actually said! :).

funnyboy4004
08-26-2007, 07:23 PM
halo 3 will kill Wii and Ps3 watch...:D

jewess crabcake
08-26-2007, 07:30 PM
One game one shitty unimaginative game will no do anything of the sort Halo 3 will suck worse than Halo 2.

funnyboy4004
08-26-2007, 07:45 PM
We will see on September 25th.

jewess crabcake
08-26-2007, 08:27 PM
sequels ruin games

J. Peterman
08-26-2007, 08:58 PM
TAUROS!

Neg
08-26-2007, 09:30 PM
30 OF 'EM!!

Dovenwolf
08-26-2007, 10:29 PM
September 25th will pwn Nintendo and Wii.

MS is just waiting for that to happen and we all know it...

jewess crabcake
08-26-2007, 10:39 PM
I hope you're joking. Halo 3 can't top BioShock and that didn't pwn PS3/Wii.

funnyboy4004
08-26-2007, 10:46 PM
personally bioshack looks retarded i would never play it... And you know how many people play halo and halo 2.... MILLIONS.... Halo 3 will pwn every game and console just watch...

And halo 2 was a huge step from halo.. Xbox live came with halo 2 finally :) and in halo 3 there making campaign mode online, so you can have your friends play campaign with you, which sounds SWEET. I wanted it in halo 2 but they didn't..

Mario Kinnikuman
08-26-2007, 10:55 PM
I hope you're joking. Halo 3 can't top BioShock and that didn't pwn PS3/Wii.

I'd say the main contender for Halo 3 to beat is Gears of War. That game just chainsawed through the competition, like a hot knife through butter.

Dovenwolf
08-26-2007, 10:57 PM
I hope you're joking. Halo 3 can't top BioShock and that didn't pwn PS3/Wii.
in sales wise?

look at halo 2's sales margin (if you can find one). do you even realize just how much it had impact on console sales?

I'm not dissing BIoshock, it's a fan-fucking-tastic game. but it doesn't have a chance against Xbox's juggernaut mascot game sales.

not a halo fan by the way.

J. Peterman
08-26-2007, 11:07 PM
HALO WILL RUIN MICROSOFT JUST YOU WATCH!!!

jewess crabcake
08-26-2007, 11:08 PM
Do you realize the ratings that Halo 2 got a MAJOR step down from Halo. sequels only make the game unoriginal. As far as online campaign, not only is that going to make game play unstable, its pretty easy to friendly fire on your allies which can cause frustration. And the only reason Halo 2 got so much sales was because Halo was a good fps, then when people played it the went wtf this isn't new. And yes Gears of war is a good game, but I wouldn't say it ripped through the competition.

Dovenwolf
08-26-2007, 11:42 PM
Rating of Halo 2? Rating was perfect. It was overrated but it was considered the best FPS, thanks to the hype of first Halo.

Halo 2 sucked, you are right. But it does not change the hard, cold, solid fact that it was the biggest selling game franchise next to Final Fantasy series. plus it boosted the sales margin of Xbox console once the game was released.

jewess crabcake
08-26-2007, 11:49 PM
Yes that's what I'm saying Halo CE boosted Halo 2's sales but Halo 2 was garbage which should reflect on halo 3's sales. Should, weirder things have happened.

funnyboy4004
08-26-2007, 11:54 PM
halo 2 only really sucks cuz of all the bugs and shit that are in the game.... For instance super bouncing during matchmaking, double shotting, BXR, and people who are the host on xbox live have a major advantage when it comes to headshots and many many other cheap ass things that bungie should have fixed with a patch or something...Other then that, if you play a clean game, with people not cheating its great game...

Mario Kinnikuman
08-26-2007, 11:57 PM
Halo 2 sucked, you are right. But it does not change the hard, cold, solid fact that it was the biggest selling game franchise next to Final Fantasy series.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games#Franchises

I beg to differ.

4. Final Fantasy (75 million)[143]

40. Halo (14.7 million)[168]

Dovenwolf
08-26-2007, 11:57 PM
Yes that's what I'm saying Halo CE boosted Halo 2's sales but Halo 2 was garbage which should reflect on halo 3's sales. Should, weirder things have happened.

Hardly. Halo 3's preorders exceed 1 million. 1 fucking million.

Dovenwolf
08-26-2007, 11:58 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games#Franchises

I beg to differ.
then let me correct. It was the biggest FPS game selling point next to other biggest selling franchises.

funnyboy4004
08-27-2007, 12:00 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games#Franchises

I beg to differ.

Read wrong.

jewess crabcake
08-27-2007, 12:01 AM
Pre orders mean nothing all it does is Identify people who don't want to wait.

Dovenwolf
08-27-2007, 12:03 AM
Pre orders mean nothing all it does is Identify people who don't want to wait.
Then prove that it doesn't.

jewess crabcake
08-27-2007, 12:06 AM
Prove that it does pre orders don't gauge all the people who will buy it it's just the people who plan on buying it as soon as it comes out, you must factor in Christmas and holiday sales not to mention those who wait to get it used.

funnyboy4004
08-27-2007, 12:06 AM
also i know for a fact... Around December of 2004 they had an article over 5 Million copies sold. And the first day they made 2.38million dollars... THE FIRST DAY IT CAME OUT.

Mario Kinnikuman
08-27-2007, 12:07 AM
PFFT i beg to differ that thats not accurate... Cuz look at where it says XBOX games that had over 1 mill copys sold, it says halo 2 8 million then halo 5 million. Then if you scroll down to the part you had it on it says halo sold 14.7Million.

Thats unaccurate.

You pillock. That list represents the cumulative sales of the Halo Franchise. Halo, Halo II and soon Halo III constitute the entire franchise, Halo. Plus, that list is updated as new information presents itself. Regardless, the fact being, as I was trying to convince Dovenwolf is that Halo is nowhere near the status of Final Fantasy in terms of sales. Wherever he heard that information otherwise, obviously must of been regurgitated from the bowels of a fanboy.

funnyboy4004
08-27-2007, 12:11 AM
You pillock. That list represents the cumulative sales of the Halo Franchise. Halo, Halo II and soon Halo III constitute the entire franchise, Halo. Plus, that list is always being updated.


Yea well even so... Halo hasn't been around as long as most of thos games on that list... I mean.. final fantasy... that games been out since i was born...and alot earlier to.... mario.... THAT GAMES OLD AS FUCK. i mean halo started coming out in early 2000's.... NOT 1900's.

Dovenwolf
08-27-2007, 12:11 AM
Prove that it does pre orders don't gauge all the people who will buy it it's just the people who plan on buying it as soon as it comes out, you must factor in Christmas and holiday sales not to mention those who wait to get it used.
I asked you to prove it first, now you try to backfire my statement by tell me to prove my statement? How laughable.

Why else people would even bother waste 5 bucks to pre order a game? To buy the game once it's released. Why else?


Halo 3 preorder customers' passion for the game is such that cost is apparently no object. As part of today's announcement, Microsoft warned that, despite its premium price point, the collectible Halo 3: Legendary Edition is on track to sell out before the game launches. The bundle, which includes a miniaturized version of the Master Chief's helmet, retails for $129.99 in the US, but is already sold out at several online retailers in the UK.

funnyboy4004
08-27-2007, 12:15 AM
oh also.. you say sequels ruin the overall game? Look at Final fantasy.. It's not a direct sequel no... but its still a sequel nevertheless..

And what about zelda? Mario? Those games got more popular with there sequels...

And also you can forget splinter cells, medel of honors, resident evils... etc.

jewess crabcake
08-27-2007, 12:15 AM
but I proved your question not everyone buys their games right away, but you seem predetermined to prove that pre order means more sales.

jewess crabcake
08-27-2007, 12:18 AM
oh also.. you say sequels ruin the overall game? Look at Final fantasy.. It's not a direct sequel no... but its still a sequel nevertheless..

And what about zelda? Mario? Those games got more popular with there sequels...
FF has only had one sequel X-2 and that was nowhere near as good as X.
I'm not into Zelda just never liked it mario is an adventure game, of course it has sequels, that's because there is no real "story just jump your way through obstacle course to get to Princess.

funnyboy4004
08-27-2007, 12:20 AM
i said not a direct sequel

Mario Kinnikuman
08-27-2007, 12:29 AM
Yea well even so... Halo hasn't been around as long as most of thos games on that list... I mean.. final fantasy... that games been out since i was born...and alot earlier to.... mario.... THAT GAMES OLD AS FUCK. i mean halo started coming out in early 2000's.... NOT 1900's.

If you want to talk about averages, then Pokemon takes the cake in terms of the time it took to propel itself to the second-best franchise, and it only debuted in 1998 in the U.S. (1996 in Japan, and 1999 in the E.U, respectively), seventeen years after the Mario franchise. Honestly, Halo offers no contest to that.

Also, Nintendogs just debuted two years ago, and already the franchise overtook the Halo series by an inch.

Let's not omit the World of Warcraft franchise too, shall we? Started in 2004.

funnyboy4004
08-27-2007, 12:32 AM
If you want to talk about averages, then Pokemon takes the cake in terms of the time it took to propel itself to the second-best franchise, and it only debuted in 1998 in the U.S. (1996 in Japan, and 1999 in the E.U, respectively), seventeen years after the Mario franchise. Honestly, Halo offers no contest to that.

Umm yea right... You know how many games of pokemon there are???? i mean for gameboy alone theres was like 5.. And for all the other consoles theres 5+.

jewess crabcake
08-27-2007, 12:36 AM
Take a look around this shrine it clearly isn't.

Dovenwolf
08-27-2007, 12:37 AM
I used to play pokemon... that was about 6 years ago.

funnyboy4004
08-27-2007, 12:38 AM
ok well im done with all this non sense... I just guarantee halo 3 will sell like crazy, whether its 1 million or 10 million, and i bet it will boost xbox 360 sales as well.

And also how about this... it all comes down to money. Games wouldn't be made, if the sellers didn't want money.. I mean look at FF7... SE wanted money. And they just picked a popular game and added crap like AC and Dirge. Just for the money.. Because they know FF fans will buy anything they put out.

Dovenwolf
08-27-2007, 12:43 AM
Which is why Halo Wars is coming out soon. But surprisingly, it's not made by Bungie but Ensembel Studio.

jewess crabcake
08-27-2007, 12:44 AM
I hate FFVII, Halo has gotten overrated since it's humble roots.

J. Peterman
08-27-2007, 12:44 AM
YOU POKEMON HATERS GO TO WHERVER I AM GOING TO CRUSH YOU JUST YOU WATCH!

Vastalis
08-27-2007, 01:00 AM
oh also.. you say sequels ruin the overall game? Look at Final fantasy.. It's not a direct sequel no... but its still a sequel nevertheless..

And what about zelda? Mario? Those games got more popular with there sequels...

And also you can forget splinter cells, medel of honors, resident evils... etc.
Final Fantasy - game is different from the last. The only things aside from the name that connect each one are the story elements that they use.
Zelda - same thing. What 2 Zelda games are the same.
Mario - The story is pretty much the same, the only difference is innovative game play

All these franchises have one thing in common, every game is different from the last - which is why they have huge fan followings. Why do you think we're all separated as to what FF title is the best.

Halo is just an overrated FPS. It only got popular for 2 reasons:

1. It was the first FPS to be an online multiplayer on a console.
and
2. Blizzard never kept up with the Starcraft series like they did with Warcraft, so the fans jumped over to Halo after Blizzard's poor console Ghost game attempt.

I've played the Halo series, and I didn't see anything great about it.

Dovenwolf
08-27-2007, 01:00 AM
^ I can say samthing about zelda and final fantasy

Halo 3 is going to offer something that is very worth, so I'm hoping it's gonna be good.

Wattson
08-27-2007, 02:18 AM
Halo is the same dam game over and over... And its a childs game, and people buy the game for there child just to get them to shut up.

J. Peterman
08-27-2007, 02:29 AM
FUNNYBOY4004 I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING WATTSON JUST QUOTED!

funnyboy4004
08-27-2007, 02:55 AM
Ok glad i never said that. And btw, pokemon is a childs game i don't care who says otherwise.
btw wattson that was pretty stupid... Im defending halo and have been this whole topic... who would believe that quote.. LOL

funnyboy4004
08-27-2007, 03:10 AM
nvm

Zenigata
08-27-2007, 03:40 AM
Ok glad i never said that. And btw, pokemon is a childs game i don't care who says otherwise.
btw wattson that was pretty stupid... Im defending halo and have been this whole topic... who would believe that quote.. LOL

I believe you missed his point.

You say Pokemon is a child's game because a lot children play the game. OK, let's go along with that logic. So, technically speaking, Halo would also fall under your definition of a "child's game" because a lot of kids play those games as well.

Remember what you said:


And its a childs game, and people buy the game for there child just to get them to shut up.

J. Peterman
08-27-2007, 03:44 AM
Ever since I was a child I loved Totodile. When I was just a six years old, I begged my dad to catch me one, but he didn't. Seeing as how I came from the Hoenn region, I would have to go to Professor Birch to get my starting Pokemon, and that meant I had to choose either a Mudkip, Treecko or Torchic - all great Pokemon, don't get me wrong. It's just that I've always loved that Totodile and wanted one. That's why I decided that I would go visit Johto right after my journeys through Hoenn. The big problem, though, was that I had a lot of trouble earning a badge. I tried to go up against Roxanne, but her Rock Pokemon were just too strong. I decided that I should go to Dewford Island and try my Torchic against Brawly. I was doing well in my first battle, but his Hariyama proved too much for my Torchic and my newly caught Wingull. I called home and told my dad that I wasn't really doing well in Hoenn, and just decided that I would go to Johto and try out the Johto league. But first, I decided that I would catch some Pokemon that were rare in Johto so that I would have an inherent advantage. I was lucky that afternoon when I saw a Lotad right in the water, and had my Wingull battle it. Sadly, the Lotad ran away before I even had a chance to catch it. I still have some Pokemon catching to do before I head off to Johto and catch myself a Totodile.

Vastalis
08-27-2007, 04:34 AM
^ I can say samthing about zelda and final fantasy

Halo 3 is going to offer something that is very worth, so I'm hoping it's gonna be good.The entire premise doesn't change. At the end, Halo is still a FPS.

Zelda and FF bring changes to each and every game. Every game in the franchises have their own unique battle systems/gameplay and story, while Halo 3 will only bring a continued story, new levels, new weapons, but the same FPS gameplay. There's no change.

Okay, if I'm wrong, please by all means inform us:
What new innovations are they bringing that are different from the last?

funnyboy4004
08-27-2007, 05:14 AM
I believe you missed his point.

You say Pokemon is a child's game because a lot children play the game. OK, let's go along with that logic. So, technically speaking, Halo would also fall under your definition of a "child's game" because a lot of kids play those games as well.

Remember what you said:

Children under like 10. Only teens and older are suppose to play halo.. although sometimes younger people get on and there actually quite annoying....

ash whatever you just wrote... You need to stop watching Pokemon.. It's going to rot your brain.

J. Peterman
08-27-2007, 05:23 AM
[SET]
name: Outrage
move 1: Dragon Dance
move 2: Outrage
move 3: Fire Blast
move 4: Earthquake
item: Leftovers / Life Orb / Yache Berry / Lum Berry
nature: Jolly
evs: 58 HP / 252 ATK / 200 SPD

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>There are very few things Dragonite does better than Salamence and Garchomp, but this is a really good example of one - Dragon Dance and the new souped-up Outrage. In the late-game, this Pokemon will out speed everything up to and including Choice Scarf Heracross after a DD, and with an added attack boost on top of 367 attack, Dragonite becomes a deadly late-game force. You can add Life Orb to strengthen the blows, or use Yache Berry to take an Ice Beam, allowing you to set up another Dance, cementing your victory. Lum Berry will cure confusion, allowing Dragonite to go for another round of Outrage without risk. Fire Blast and Earthquake take care of steel types.</p>

[SET]
name: Choice Specs
move 1: Draco Meteor
move 2: Dragon Pulse
move 3: Flamethrower
move 4: Focus Punch
item: Choice Specs
nature: Mild / Hasty
evs: 6 HP / 252 SPATK / 252 SPD

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Ordinarily, this set is much better on Salamence, but Dragonite has a surprising advantage in the form of Focus Punch. With a -Defense nature, Dragonite is capable of 70-83% on Blissey, a Pokemon that usually stymies its cousin. Otherwise, the set is simplistic - Draco Meteor does massive damage, Dragon Pulse is for sweeping, and Flamethrower takes care of most pesky steels.</p>

[SET]
name: Support
move 1: Heal Bell
move 2: Roost
move 3: Dragon Claw
move 4: Light Screen / Roar / Thunder Wave / Flamethrower
item: Leftovers
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 HP / 78 ATK / 180 SPD

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Support set, using Heal Bell from XD, with the added benefit of a healing move. The last move is filler - note that Heal Bell and Haze is illegal.</p>

[SET]
name: Mixed sweeper
move 1: Focus Punch
move 2: Substitute
move 3: Dragon Pulse
move 4: Flamethrower
item: Leftovers
nature: Mild
evs: 78 HP / 252 SPATK / 180 SPD

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Subpunching set. This is a bit like the Specs set, but less reliant on prediction (and less powerful).</p>

[Other Options]
<p>Dragonite is a respectable Hazer as long as the opponent lacks Ice Beam. Dragonite's movepool is vast - the only question to ask yourself is, "Do Garchomp or Salamence use this better?"</p>

[Opinion]
<p>Dragonite was underrated in Advance due to Salamence overshadowing it, but now Dragonite has a powerful and unique combination in Dragon Dance/Outrage. Otherwise, Dragonite is still fairly niche and will probably only see use among adherent fans.</p>

[Counters]
<p>"Ice Beam" is pretty much the usual Dragonite counter. Finding a specific Pokemon to do the job, however, is difficult - Dragonite hits hard on both sides with Dragon Dance Outrage and Choice Specs Draco Meteor. Water types with lots of defense - i.e. Suicune, Swampert - can usually come in and find out something about Dragonite's set without taking too much damage. Steel Pokemon like Metagross, Jirachi, Heatran, Empoleon, Bronzong, Magnezone, or Skarmory are usually critical in handling Dragonite's powerful Dragon attacks, which usually leave it dead (if it's stuck in Outrage) or crippled (after a Draco Meteor). Blissey can handle Draco Meteor - just beware of Focus Punch. If Dragonite isn't using Dragon Dance, fast Pokemon like Weavile with Ice attacks can often OHKO. Garchomp and Salamence work similarly with their own Dragon attacks.</p>

WOW YOU GO TO SMOGON TOO!

funnyboy4004
08-27-2007, 05:25 AM
why don't you just stop.... its really immature..

J. Peterman
08-27-2007, 05:29 AM
My favorite episode of Pokemon has to be the one where James was a flaming Moltres. That part alone was the best thing in the whole series.

I've gotta admit, that was an awesome episode.

A+

Dovenwolf
08-27-2007, 06:03 AM
Okay, if I'm wrong, please by all means inform us:
What new innovations are they bringing that are different from the last?
4 players online coop

Wattson
08-27-2007, 06:39 AM
Children under like 10. Only teens and older are suppose to play halo.. although sometimes younger people get on and there actually quite annoying....

ash whatever you just wrote... You need to stop watching Pokemon.. It's going to rot your brain.

Halo appeals mainly to those with childlike maturity levels was my point.

chewey
08-27-2007, 07:22 AM
PFFT i beg to differ that thats not accurate... Cuz look at where it says XBOX games that had over 1 mill copys sold, it says halo 2 8 million then halo 5 million. Then if you scroll down to the part you had it on it says halo sold 14.7Million.

Thats unaccurate.

That's unpossible!

Vastalis
08-27-2007, 04:48 PM
4 players online coopThat's it? :eye:
The entire popularity for this new sequel is 4 player co-op, a continuation of the story, new levels, and new weapons? :eye:
Am I missing something? :eye:

Wow, some PS3 killer. :rolleyes:
I think Sony should stop sales now, cut their losses and just concentrate on a new system 'cause Halo 3 is sure to be the nail in the coffin. :rolleyes:

If this is the type of game that gets 360 fanboys off, I should start creating games myself: :rolleyes:

-Copy a FPS premise
-Add a multiplayer online system
-Call the main character something along the lines of "Overseer Captain"
-Make regurgitated simplified battle grounds
-Differentiate everyone by the color wheel system.
-Get Sci-fi authors to create a book series.
-Make a special edition box containing a small statue of Overseer Captain.

funnyboy4004
08-27-2007, 05:14 PM
4 player online is all they need.. If they add more it would make Legendary seem like easy.

And like i said.. just wait till sept 25..

Mario Kinnikuman
08-27-2007, 05:23 PM
-Get Sci-fi authors to create a book series.

:p

Dovenwolf
08-27-2007, 05:36 PM
That's it? :eye:
The entire popularity for this new sequel is 4 player co-op, a continuation of the story, new levels, and new weapons? :eye:
Am I missing something? :eye:

Wow, some PS3 killer. :rolleyes:
I think Sony should stop sales now, cut their losses and just concentrate on a new system 'cause Halo 3 is sure to be the nail in the coffin. :rolleyes:

If this is the type of game that gets 360 fanboys off, I should start creating games myself: :rolleyes:

-Copy a FPS premise
-Add a multiplayer online system
-Call the main character something along the lines of "Overseer Captain"
-Make regurgitated simplified battle grounds
-Differentiate everyone by the color wheel system.
-Get Sci-fi authors to create a book series.
-Make a special edition box containing a small statue of Overseer Captain.
You wouldn't understand a thing if you are not a halo fan or FPS fan.

If you are bitching because of that, do the samething for FF7 and their milked out sequels and prequel bullshits.

Anyway, no previous console or PC FPS games offered any co-op over two players. So this is considered as a big leap from previous FPS experience.

And again, sony has a same guilt for overhyping their glorious killzone 2.

aka teh halo killer, ROFLCOPTER

Anyway, zelda and final fantay has been same shit for years now. Twilight princess didn't offer jack shit and considered as an overrated game.

Opinion are like assholes, deal with it.

Prak
08-27-2007, 05:40 PM
And what of us FPS fans who roll our eyes at the mention of Halo?

Dovenwolf
08-27-2007, 05:42 PM
I don't know and I don't care.

4 players online co-op pretty much summarizes how bad ass the game will be. I expect great things from Halo 3.

Vastalis
08-27-2007, 05:46 PM
You wouldn't understand a thing if you are not a halo fan or FPS fan.

THen again, sony has a same guilt for overhyping their glorious killzone 2.

aka teh halo killer, ROFLCOPTER

Anyway, zelda and final fantay has been same shit for years now. Twilight princess didn't offer jack shit and considered as an overrated game.

Opinion are like assholes, deal with it.Oh, I am a fan of FPS games. In fact I played each Halo game with unbiased opinions. My first reaction was: It's cool, I guess. I found nothing real impressive, and rather boring.
I don't know, I guess you have to believe Microsoft is god to love Halo.

As for Zelda and FF, name 2 games from each series that are exactly the same?


I don't know and I don't care.

4 players online co-op pretty much summarizes how bad ass the game will be. I expect great things from Halo 3.If you want multiplayer co-op, play Socom. That's pretty much what Halo 3 is.

Dovenwolf
08-27-2007, 05:54 PM
Oh, I am a fan of FPS games. In fact I played each Halo game with unbiased opinions. My first reaction was: It's cool, I guess. I found nothing real impressive, and rather boring.
I don't know, I guess you have to believe Microsoft is god to love Halo.
So do I. I fucking loved first Halo to death. It was the reason why I bought Xbox after playing it at my budd's. But Halo 2, on the other hand, was nothing but an overrated FPS title that just got too much praise from general public, it was ridiculous. Even a freaking movie theaters showed commercial for Halo 2.
The game didn't offer a any new shit other than dual wielding and online multiplayer. Multiplayer rocked but the experience became so dull and annoying rather fast because of 10 years old faggotry with yelling on microphone.

They also even cut the New Mombasa level into half in beginning of the game, I was royally pissed.

Anyway, Halo 3, I expect great things from it. Not only because of 4 players online coop, but wide range of increased vehicles and multiplayer modes. With ability to vote kick/ban/block/mute anyone you want, the online experience should be at least, different from its predecessor.


As for Zelda and FF, name 2 games from each series that are exactly the same?
not exactly the same, but the same experience starting from majora's mask.
Any Zelda past Ocarina of Time has failed to deliver.

Majora's Mask -painfully terrible, one of the most dissapointing games i've ever played.

Wind Waker- Repetitive, the look IMO ruins an otherwise quality game (i was never a fan of cell shading graphics)

Twilight Princess- Does nothing new or different to distinguish itself from other zelda's. The wii gimmick grows old fast. The "twilight" parts straight up suck.

As for FF series, the series went down the toilet after the the series went past 7. There was nothing great about this series past 7, how it receives so much positive reviews now still? I have no idea.

FF8's junction was just a pain in the ass. Was it necessary for them to make this part really god damn confusing and hard?

I have no comment for 9, since I either liked or hated it.

About FF10, they brought first voice acting for FF series, and the gameplay was simple just like 9.

FF11 was just an MMORPG. Nothing more, nothing less.

FF12, I fucking hated it. I literally fell asleep playing this game. It felt like playing an MMORPG minus the online and other players.




If you want multiplayer co-op, play Socom. That's pretty much what Halo 3 is.
you are way off. Socom is nothing more than a massive online multiplayer just like battlefield or any tom clancy's shooter games.

Prak
08-27-2007, 06:02 PM
Anyway, no previous console or PC FPS games offered any co-op over two players. So this is considered as a big leap from previous FPS experience.

You fucking ignoramus. The original Doom featured four-player co-op, as did its sequel and several other games over the next few years. After that, the multiplayer focus shifted to team-based competitive play.


Opinion are like assholes, deal with it.

If you want to be taken seriously, deal in fact, not opinion. Most of us here are capable of it, and we'll make you look like a moron every time until you learn that skill.

As for your last post, it's pure bullshit and I laugh at you for being such a fool. However, there's nothing further I need to prove, so I'll let someone else destroy it as it deserves.

Dovenwolf
08-27-2007, 06:11 PM
You fucking ignoramus. The original Doom featured four-player co-op, as did its sequel and several other games over the next few years. After that, the multiplayer focus shifted to team-based competitive play.
four players ONLINE co-op. You fucking illiterate retard.


If you want to be taken seriously, deal in fact, not opinion. Most of us here are capable of it, and we'll make you look like a moron every time until you learn that skill.
This whole fucking thread about halo (off topic) is about opinions. People say they hate or like Halo. Are these facts?


As for your last post, it's pure bullshit and I laugh at you for being such a fool. However, there's nothing further I need to prove, so I'll let someone else destroy it as it deserves.
And I laugh at you for being a total douche bag. If you want to laugh at someone's post, laugh at yours for being an ass out of yourself by insulting others.

Don't bother replying to my post, since all you did was insulting me.

funnyboy4004
08-27-2007, 06:11 PM
Socom is more like counter strike which IMO isn't that fun of a game. And btw who wants to play games for PSP or rather there PS2 games, they sucked as well.

J. Peterman
08-27-2007, 06:17 PM
HALO IS THE WORST

I AM SURE EVERYBODY WILL BACK ME UP ON THIS

Prak
08-27-2007, 06:18 PM
OMG I'M REPLYING EVEN THOUGH YOU TOLD ME NOT TO.


four players ONLINE co-op. You fucking illiterate retard.

Tell me how the difference is significant. It works the same either way. Use your brain a little.


This whole fucking thread about halo (off topic) is about opinions. People say they hate or like Halo. Are these facts?

As a matter of fact, if I say that I like/hate Halo, it is a fucking fact. If I was dumb enough to say that Halo is the best/worst game ever, that would be entirely unsupportable, and therefore would be an opinion. Learn the difference before mouthing off, retard.


And I laugh at you for being a total douche bag. If you want to laugh at someone's post, laugh at yours for being an ass out of yourself by insulting others.

Cry me a river and drown yourself in it.

funnyboy4004
08-27-2007, 06:23 PM
HALO IS THE WORST

I AM SURE EVERYBODY WILL BACK ME UP ON THIS

You say halo is the worst, when you've probably never even played it since all you do is play and talk about Pokemon all day

J. Peterman
08-27-2007, 06:25 PM
I HATE HALO!

THANKS FOR YOUR SUPPORT!

Dovenwolf
08-27-2007, 06:25 PM
OMG I'M REPLYING EVEN THOUGH YOU TOLD ME NOT TO.
Yeah, no shit, sherlock.


Tell me how the difference is significant. It works the same either way. Use your brain a little.
ooooooh the irony. I love it. You know want to know the difference? On-fucking-line. Let me repeat. ON-FUCKING-LINE. That means you can play campaign with other people you've never met before across the states or country.



As a matter of fact, if I say that I like/hate Halo, it is a fucking fact. If I was dumb enough to say that Halo is the best/worst game ever, that would be entirely unsupportable, and therefore would be an opinion. Learn the difference before mouthing off, retard.
You fail my retarded friend.

o�pin�ion

1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
3. the formal expression of a professional judgment: to ask for a second medical opinion.

If people say they hate halo because it sucks, it's their opinion. Not fact.

Now go stare at yourself a mirror and see who's staring back at you. A faggot, no probably 30 years old fat-fuck with with glasses bitching at others in internet.

You win at life, sir.


Cry me a river and drown yourself in it.
Uh huh?

Translation:

"there is no way to back up my statement, so I decided to come up with the most retarded statement ever."

Espanha
08-27-2007, 06:27 PM
Man, Prak, I hate you so much and love Halo. I hope you drown in the tears of your own failed childhood.

Dovenwolf, wanna be my Valentine? We can play Halo 5.7.

Prak
08-27-2007, 06:31 PM
ooooooh the irony. I love it. You know want to know the difference? On-fucking-line. Let me repeat. ON-FUCKING-LINE. That means you can play campaign with other people you've never met before across the states or country.

Great. Now tell me how that's any different from going to some random LAN party and playing in exactly the same manner with people who just happen to be closer to you? In terms of gameplay, it affects NOTHING.


You fail my retarded friend.

o�pin�ion

1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
3. the formal expression of a professional judgment: to ask for a second medical opinion.

If people say they say halo sucks, it's their opinion. Not fact.

Alas, you fail. You have just proved exactly what I said in my previous post. Perhaps if you read it again and try to comprehend it (a tall order for you, I know) you might just see the point.


Now go stare at yourself a mirror and see who's staring back at you. A faggot, no probably 30 years old fat-fuck with with glasses bitching at others in internet.

You win at life, sir.

Thank you for resorting to that level of infantile personal attack? I think it proves a great deal about your mentality.


Uh huh?

Translation:

"there is no way to back up my statement, so I decided to come up with the most retarded statement I can come up with."

What statement? The one where I said I laugh at you? That needs no backing up. And I am still laughing.

Dovenwolf
08-27-2007, 06:36 PM
Great. Now tell me how that's any different from going to some random LAN party and playing in exactly the same manner with people who just happen to be closer to you? In terms of gameplay, it affects NOTHING.
I just fucking told you the difference. Or is the retarded brain of yours really can't comprehend what I'm saying?



Alas, you fail. You have just proved exactly what I said in my previous post. Perhaps if you read it again and try to comprehend it (a tall order for you, I know) you might just see the point.
Nice try, dimwit. You proved nothing. Nada. So stop trying to shove your bullshit into my mouth, son.



Thank you for resorting to that level of infantile personal attack? I think it proves a great deal about your mentality.
Oh the fucking irony reeks as you type your god damn keyboard. Not to mention, you are also a hypocrite. You are the first one who attacked me with your post. But since I'm actually telling you the truth, I guess I hurt your feeling? You want a cookie?


What statement? The one where I said I laugh at you? That needs no backing up. And I am still laughing.

Cry me a river and drown yourself in it.
my common sense tells me that within that quoted statement, somewhere, you laughed.... my sarcasm meter is off. or is it just your retarded common sense meter?

funnyboy4004
08-27-2007, 06:36 PM
POKEMONS THE GAYEST GAME IN THE WORLD, THE ONLY REASON I HAVE IT IN MY SIG AND MY AVATAR IS BECAUSE PICACHU SAID HE'D KILL ME. Thanks for your support!

J. Peterman
08-27-2007, 06:39 PM
NO NO NO I SAID GREATEST NOT GAYEST!!!!!!!!!!

And yes I am scared of Pikachu but who wouldn't be man it packs quite a thunderbolt I mean quite a thunderbolt indeed!

also halo sucks

Prak
08-27-2007, 06:40 PM
I just fucking told you the difference. Or is the retarded brain of yours really can't comprehend what I'm saying?

I will take this as a concession. Thank you. Next customer.


Nice try, dimwit. You proved nothing. Nada. So stop trying to shove your bullshit into my mouth, son.

Ditto to the concession thing. Next customer please.


Oh the fucking irony just appears as you type your god damn keyboard. You are the first one who attacked me with your post. But since I'm actually telling you the truth, I guess I hurt your feeling? You want a cookie?

My God, you're pathetic. You really don't get it, do you? The whole "I'll bet you're some old geek in his parents' basement" routine is widely considered to be the absolute bottom of the barrel in the world of internet mockery. By saying it, or any variation thereof, you have proven your idiocy and basically surrendered all claim to credibility.


my common sense tells me that within that quoted statement, somewhere, you laughed.... my sarcasm meter is off. or is it just your retarded common sense meter?

And what the hell is that supposed to mean? If you want to communicate, do so with understandable sentences with clear meanings, not vague metaphors that rely on someone else seeing events exactly as you do.

funnyboy4004
08-27-2007, 06:43 PM
Your fact is someone elses opinion... You might say halo sucks, which is your fact in your mind. But someone else says its the greatest game in the world, and that contradicts your fact which turns it into an opinion.

Vastalis
08-27-2007, 06:44 PM
So do I. I fucking loved first Halo to death. It was the reason why I bought Xbox after playing it at my budd's. But Halo 2, on the other hand, was nothing but an overrated FPS title that just got too much praise from general public, it was ridiculous. Even a freaking movie theaters showed commercial for Halo 2.
The game didn't offer a any new shit other than dual wielding and online multiplayer. Multiplayer rocked but the experience became so dull and annoying rather fast because of 10 years old faggotry with yelling on microphone.

They also even cut the New Mombasa level into half in beginning of the game, I was royally pissed.

Anyway, Halo 3, I expect great things from it. Not only because of 4 players online coop, but wide range of increased vehicles and multiplayer modes. With ability to vote kick/ban/block/mute anyone you want, the online experience should be at least, different from its predecessor.But none of those things save for voting to kick/ban/block/mute people isn't new to a console. Everything else is pretty much expected from any sequel. You have yet to state one thing that's impressive from making it something other than a regular sequel.
Saying "You don't understand, 'cause you're not a fan" is only a cop-out.
Fanboys are supposed to explain every new innovation, and none of those things are spectacularly innovative.

not exactly the same, but the same experience starting from majora's mask.
Any Zelda past Ocarina of Time has failed to deliver.

Majora's Mask -painfully terrible, one of the most dissapointing games i've ever played.

Wind Waker- Repetitive, the look IMO ruins an otherwise quality game (i was never a fan of cell shading graphics)

Twilight Princess- Does nothing new or different to distinguish itself from other zelda's. The wii gimmick grows old fast. The "twilight" parts straight up suck.I'm not much of a Zelda fan, since I don't own any Nintendo consoles except for the original NES. But I have fanboy friends that go on and on - regardless of whether I'm interested or not, and tell me the differences of each.

As for FF series, the series went down the toilet after the the series went past 7. There was nothing great about this series past 7, how it receives so much positive reviews now still? I have no idea.Whether you like the rest, isn't the question.
Each FF title is different from the last. Every fan has to start from scratch to learn how to control the battle/Magic systems. Also, although they're all RPGs, none are direct sequels - except for 3 which is a prequel to 1. So each is it's own unique game.

you are way off. Socom is nothing more than a massive online multiplayer just like battlefield or any tom clancy's shooter games.Yeah, but that doesn't mean Halo 3 is any different or innovated.

J. Peterman
08-27-2007, 06:44 PM
BUT REALLY WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT HALO IS A CHILD'S GAME COMPARED TO POKEMON

I MEAN IN POKEMON YOU HAVE TO BUILD BIG TEAM WITH STRATEGY AND LIKE EV TRAIN AND IV BREED AND LIKE MAN ARE YOU CHOICE ITEMING UP MAN IF YOU ARE WITH THE SCARF I COULD BE DEAD SO MAN I'VE GOTTA DECIDE OH MAN SKARMBLISS THAT IS QUITE THE SAVIOR OH MAN

AND IN HALO YOU ARE LITTLE KID WHO SHOOTS AT PEOPLE LIKE IN THAT ONE GAME

MARIO YEAH MARIO USES FIREBALLS TO SHOOT AT GOOMBAS

I think Nintendo should sue Microsoft.

Prak
08-27-2007, 06:46 PM
Your fact is someone elses opinion... You might say halo sucks, which is your fact in your mind. But someone else says its the greatest game in the world, and that contradicts your fact which turns it into an opinion.

Any fool can understand that concept. What I wonder is why some fools can't understand the concept that saying you like/dislike something (excepting the possibility of it being a lie) is a statement of fact, not opinion.

Espanha
08-27-2007, 06:46 PM
Your fact is someone elses opinion... You might say halo sucks, which is your fact in your mind. But someone else says its the greatest game in the world, and that contradicts your fact which turns it into an opinion.

�lol u fukn sk

thas mah opinniun nd i stik by ti

Dovenwolf
08-27-2007, 06:47 PM
I will take this as a concession. Thank you. Next customer.
translation:

I have nothing to say. I lost the argument but I just had to come up with a reply to make myself not to look like a total ass.
But you fail, anyway.


Ditto to the concession thing. Next customer please.
translation:

Again, I have nothing to say. I really do enjoy making myself look like a total fuck'tard.


My God, you're pathetic. You really don't get it, do you? The whole "I'll bet you're some old geek in his parents' basement" routine is widely considered to be the absolute bottom of the barrel in the world of internet mockery. By saying it, or any variation thereof, you have proven your idiocy and basically surrendered all claim to credibility.
And coming up with the first personal attack doesn't mean the absolute bottom of the barrel in the world of internet mockery? Like I said, you are a fucking hypocrite. Just because I came with a more harsh personal attack just to shut you off doesn't make me the idiot who lost all of my claims credibility.


And what the hell is that supposed to mean? If you want to communicate, do so with understandable sentences with clear meanings, not vague metaphors that rely on someone else seeing events exactly as you do.

Cry me a river and drown yourself in it.
You just contradicted your own statement. Have a nice life.

funnyboy4004
08-27-2007, 06:48 PM
BUT REALLY WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT HALO IS A CHILD'S GAME COMPARED TO POKEMON

I MEAN IN POKEMON YOU HAVE TO BUILD BIG TEAM WITH STRATEGY AND LIKE EV TRAIN AND IV BREED AND LIKE MAN ARE YOU CHOICE ITEMING UP MAN IF YOU ARE WITH THE SCARF I COULD BE DEAD SO MAN I'VE GOTTA DECIDE OH MAN SKARMBLISS THAT IS QUITE THE SAVIOR OH MAN

AND IN HALO YOU ARE LITTLE KID WHO SHOOTS AT PEOPLE LIKE IN THAT ONE GAME

MARIO YEAH MARIO USES FIREBALLS TO SHOOT AT GOOMBAS

I think Nintendo should sue Microsoft.

You need to go to a psychiatrist and idk.... DIE. Your a talking about a stupid ass retarded show that has fictional characters that have super giant eyes and the smallest noses.. And not to mention the biggest mouths in the world. And you praise it like its god or something.

Prak
08-27-2007, 06:51 PM
You are a laugh riot, Dovenwolf. Seldom do I see someone as idiotic as you.

A total lack of reading comprehension skills combined with a fanboy outlook and overblown sense of aggression. Perhaps if you were a bit more sensible, you would understand that everything you've said has served to make you look like a fool in the eyes of anyone who is not a like-minded fool. Maybe one day you'll figure it out, and I truly hope I'll be privy to the details of it.

J. Peterman
08-27-2007, 06:54 PM
YES MISTER I AM SURE FICTIONAL CHARACTERS IN VIDEO GAMES SURE MAKES IT A CHILD'S GAME!!!!! ESPECIALLY IF THEY HAVE GIANT EYES, SMALL NOSES, BIG MOUTHS AND GUNS THAT SHOOT PEOPLE!!!!

Vastalis
08-27-2007, 06:56 PM
Since you guys had your little childish squabble, my post got bumped, so I'm reposting my response.


So do I. I fucking loved first Halo to death. It was the reason why I bought Xbox after playing it at my budd's. But Halo 2, on the other hand, was nothing but an overrated FPS title that just got too much praise from general public, it was ridiculous. Even a freaking movie theaters showed commercial for Halo 2.
The game didn't offer a any new shit other than dual wielding and online multiplayer. Multiplayer rocked but the experience became so dull and annoying rather fast because of 10 years old faggotry with yelling on microphone.

They also even cut the New Mombasa level into half in beginning of the game, I was royally pissed.

Anyway, Halo 3, I expect great things from it. Not only because of 4 players online coop, but wide range of increased vehicles and multiplayer modes. With ability to vote kick/ban/block/mute anyone you want, the online experience should be at least, different from its predecessor.But none of those things save for voting to kick/ban/block/mute people isn't new to a console. Everything else is pretty much expected from any sequel. You have yet to state one thing that's impressive from making it something other than a regular sequel.
Saying "You don't understand, 'cause you're not a fan" is only a cop-out.
Fanboys are supposed to explain every new innovation, and none of those things are spectacularly innovative.

not exactly the same, but the same experience starting from majora's mask.
Any Zelda past Ocarina of Time has failed to deliver.

Majora's Mask -painfully terrible, one of the most dissapointing games i've ever played.

Wind Waker- Repetitive, the look IMO ruins an otherwise quality game (i was never a fan of cell shading graphics)

Twilight Princess- Does nothing new or different to distinguish itself from other zelda's. The wii gimmick grows old fast. The "twilight" parts straight up suck.I'm not much of a Zelda fan, since I don't own any Nintendo consoles except for the original NES. But I have fanboy friends that go on and on - regardless of whether I'm interested or not, and tell me the differences of each.

As for FF series, the series went down the toilet after the the series went past 7. There was nothing great about this series past 7, how it receives so much positive reviews now still? I have no idea.Whether you like the rest, isn't the question.
Each FF title is different from the last. Every fan has to start from scratch to learn how to control the battle/Magic systems. Also, although they're all RPGs, none are direct sequels - except for 3 which is a prequel to 1. So each is it's own unique game.

you are way off. Socom is nothing more than a massive online multiplayer just like battlefield or any tom clancy's shooter games.Yeah, but that doesn't mean Halo 3 is any different or innovated.

Dovenwolf
08-27-2007, 06:57 PM
You are a laugh riot, Dovenwolf. Seldom do I see someone as idiotic as you.
Like I said, go stare at yourself in the mirror. The mirror tells all, it does not lie.


A total lack of reading comprehension skills combined with a fanboy outlook and overblown sense of aggression. Perhaps if you were a bit more sensible, you would understand that everything you've said has served to make you look like a fool in the eyes of anyone who is not a like-minded fool. Maybe one day you'll figure it out, and I truly hope I'll be privy to the details of it.
lol what's this? Another attempt of sad personal attack with a too much effort?
first of all, you are the idiot who first insulted me with a personal attack. I backfired all your statement, including about the 4 players online co-op. It's you and your retarded brain's fault for not able to comprehend what the term "ONLINE " means.

That's right. Do not reply to me anymore. You started this mess, now you are sticking a white flag up your lame ass.

Again, have a nice failed life. May I not see your dumbass on this thread ever again.

Prak
08-27-2007, 07:00 PM
I'M DOING IT AGAIN; REPLYING WHEN YOU TOLD ME NOT TO. YOU SHOULD MAKE ME STOP IF YOU CAN, FOR I AM CLEARLY BREAKING SOME RULES HERE.

But I'll do you a favor and spell this out one more time. There is no significant difference between playing co-op online and playing over a LAN. In gameplay terms, there is no difference at all. And for those of us who went to LAN parties to play games like that, never knowing half the people who showed up, it's exactly like playing with random people on the internet.

Espanha
08-27-2007, 07:00 PM
Dovenwolf, I have to say you are one of the few to stand up to Prak. I agree that he's a jerk who couldn't tell the difference between a toilet and a drinking bowl.

Way to go, friend. 4-player online co-op forever.

J. Peterman
08-27-2007, 07:00 PM
This reminds me of this one time my teacher was supposed to say Master Chef but he said Master Chief omg man that was the best because like he suddenly became a giant spider and ran off

Zenigata
08-27-2007, 07:46 PM
You need to go to a psychiatrist and idk.... DIE. Your a talking about a stupid ass retarded show that has fictional characters that have super giant eyes and the smallest noses.. And not to mention the biggest mouths in the world. And you praise it like its god or something.

Amazing how this comment is very interchangeable with Halo.


Yeah, but that doesn't mean Halo 3 is any different or innovated.

Exactly. Even with having 4 player co-op online, it's still the same game at its core. I will also await your response explaining as to how this feature makes the third installment of Halo different from the other two.

jewess crabcake
08-27-2007, 07:51 PM
I think we got us some fanboys, Halo 3 is not revolutionary. FPS have always been very similar and saying that one FPS will change an entire genre is moronic the only FPS that did that was Half-life, no FPS has topped that game yet and no FPS will be as original, LOL, what type of name is Master Chief? they should make a the main character is, "Second in command". Also there too many dick heads online, so 4 player co-op will be flawed, you'll get the noob that sucks, and causes your team to die, the guy who thinks it's funny to head shot his teammates, and the idiot who can't check his fire when his teammates are in front of his cross hairs. Not to mention if the game sells that much, as you hope it does there will be a bare minimum of server space and your game will lag, with online it's fine but campaign lag, is gonna piss you the fuck off.

funnyboy4004
08-27-2007, 08:02 PM
I think we got us some fanboys, Halo 3 is not revolutionary. FPS have always been very similar and saying that one FPS will change an entire genre is moronic the only FPS that did that was Half-life, no FPS has topped that game yet and no FPS will be as original, LOL, what type of name is Master Chief? they should make a the main character is, "Second in command". Also there too many dick heads online, so 4 player co-op will be flawed, you'll get the noob that sucks, and causes your team to die, the guy who thinks it's funny to head shot his teammates, and the idiot who can't check his fire when his teammates are in front of his cross hairs. Not to mention if the game sells that much, as you hope it does there will be a bare minimum of server space and your game will lag, with online it's fine but campaign lag, is gonna piss you the fuck off.

You've never played on xbox live have you.... They have like unlimited space. they have Million and 10s of million of subscribers.. they will always have space... and space isn't an issue.. The only time xbox live ever really laggs is if the person who is hosting the game has a shitty ISP. Its completely different from playstation online.

Also, i wouldn't play with some random kid inless 1 of my friends knew him... You can choose who you get to play with. Also, the difference between LAN and Online, is i don't have to drive 10 hours out of my way just to go to a LAN party to spend 5 hours playing a game, when i can just sit home and have the same expierence.

Prak
08-27-2007, 08:04 PM
Um... UM, sorry to burst your bubble on this one, but co-op games will be hosted locally by one of the players, so it won't take a toll on the main servers. Also, it's fairly safe to say that things like friendly fire, should they be included in the game at all, can be disabled.

Of course, the online-people-can-be-dicks idea still applies.

jewess crabcake
08-27-2007, 08:08 PM
I've played Xbox live before it has lagged whether it was an ISP provider Idk but one second your running and the next you've been head shot, and you were just waiting to load. Which rises another question, not everyone has a large bandwith, 256k connections do lag on online play. unless you're playing on a Lan line, some people will have hard times which is why. PlayStation online is so geat people with dial up can play.

Taking friendly fire off is gay, If your teammate can't check his fire that's his fault now if you can line up your opponents just right, they can kill each other by accident. Friendly-fire can be an advantage.... if you know what your doing. Also hosting a game can still be a hassle on your bandwith.

Zenigata
08-27-2007, 08:10 PM
You've never played on xbox live have you.... They have like unlimited space. they have Million and 10s of million of subscribers..

Tens of millions of subscribers? Your fanboyism is showing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_Live).


As of August 2007, Xbox LIVE has over 7.1 million active users

funnyboy4004
08-27-2007, 08:13 PM
IDC what you guys say... As long as the host doesn't laggs the game with be fine... I mean you might lagg yourself but thats not the games fault, its your fault, stop downloading porn on your computer and try to play a game at the same time.

funnyboy4004
08-27-2007, 08:15 PM
Tens of millions of subscribers? Your fanboyism is showing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_Live).

Um yea, 1mill if not 10's of million is what i meant. And 7.1million is enough.. So you just proved my point that they have a lot of people, and they make sure they have enough bandwidth to support all there customers.

jewess crabcake
08-27-2007, 08:17 PM
What computer? Xbox360 is not Wi-Fi iirc, so your network shouldn't have any sort of virus, your just saying things aren't you?

funnyboy4004
08-27-2007, 08:20 PM
wtf are you talkin about?? You internet is what connects you to xbox live. If you have a shitty ISP and have only 128k or 256k and such you might lag. And if your downloading stuff from torrents or wherever your uploading as well, which slows your internet, which causes lag.

And also im done with all this... Im done proving. You may hate halo maybe cause you suck at it? idk, but i happen to like it and idc what any of you think, and doven if you want you can keep arguing, i will support you all the way, but im not gonna waste my time.

Zenigata
08-27-2007, 08:21 PM
Um yea, 1mill if not 10's of million is what i meant.


your just saying things aren't you?

I would believe so.

Vastalis
08-27-2007, 08:24 PM
And also im done with all this... Im done proving. You may hate halo maybe cause you suck at it? idk, but i happen to like it and idc what any of you think, and doven if you want you can keep arguing, i will support you all the way, but im not gonna waste my time.Typical Fanboy response. :rolleyes:

You (Halo Fanboys) have yet to say why Halo 3 is so innovative or different to the rest of the series aside from Online play features. If that's all Halo 33 has to bring, then it's no PS3 killer. It's only an overrated FPS. :rolleyes:

KREAYSHAWN
08-27-2007, 08:26 PM
well i imagine how it is rated is the important thing in deciding if it is a ps3-killer. not whether it actually deserves to be rated so highly. ^.^

jewess crabcake
08-27-2007, 08:30 PM
wtf are you talkin about?? You internet is what connects you to xbox live. If you have a shitty ISP and have only 128k or 256k and such you might lag. And if your downloading stuff from torrents or wherever your uploading as well, which slows your internet, which causes lag.

And also im done with all this... Im done proving. You may hate halo maybe cause you suck at it? idk, but i happen to like it and idc what any of you think, and doven if you want you can keep arguing, i will support you all the way, but im not gonna waste my time.

Oh wowz thanks Master chief obvious, Because people d/l when playing online. And Xbox live runs on the internet, I thought it ran on pixie dust.

J. Peterman
08-27-2007, 08:40 PM
WOW IF HALO 3 MAKES MICROSOFT SELL LIKE 10 MILLION 360s IT WILL TAKE THE WII LIKE ANOTHER YEAR FOR TO CATCH UP AND WE CAN MAKE ANOTHER THREAD THEN!

Vastalis
08-27-2007, 08:54 PM
well i imagine how it is rated is the important thing in deciding if it is a ps3-killer. not whether it actually deserves to be rated so highly. ^.^But the way Halo fanboys talk about it, it does.
The original claim was that Halo 3's release will 'cause people who haven't decided on a next-gen system, to buy a 360 because it's the best one ever.
If Halo 2 didn't do that, why would Halo 3 be any different?
What's so spectacular about Halo 3 that's different from it's predecessors?
So far all it is is an overrated FPS sequel.

Hynad
08-29-2007, 06:26 PM
And also im done with all this... Im done proving. You may hate halo maybe cause you suck at it? idk, but i happen to like it and idc what any of you think, and doven if you want you can keep arguing, i will support you all the way, but im not gonna waste my time.

Not many people here said they hated Halo. We don't praise the game as being the best thing that happened to mankind since the human genome deciphering. It doesn't mean we suck at it or that we hate the game. It just mean that our eyes aren't clouded by biases, fanboyism or hype.

Most people here pointed out at things that makes the games pretty average even compared to other FPSs. You've failed to come up with anything to contradict us and prove us Halo 3 will be the next Super Mario Bros.

Comments like yours make you look like Microsoft owns you.










BTW: ASH KETCHUM, you're fucken too much !!! LMAO