Rap is definitely good, it's just that most of the good rappers have been shot. No one can say that Tupac or Biggy weren't great rappers and they took their genre of music to the the extreme with their lyrics and beats. I guess you can say that it sucks, it really depends on who you are but, people gotta understand that rap is supposed to be a message in the song and the beat is supposed to match the lyrics. I think people have to stop hating on rap so much because it really isn't that bad and I think people have to listen to the good rappers before they can start saying rap sucks. Because in actual reality, if rap sucked, it still wouldn't be that popular but, it is.

Someone please close this. I beg of you! :(

Someone please close this. I beg of you! :(

Then what will the pirate and the ninja do? :(

They look ghey, so get it on? The pirate is sporting a stiffy.

Ive heard lots of rap and i don't like the sound of it.

If they want to give us a message they could write some poetry or something. At least then i wouldn't hear it on the radio.

They look ghey, so get it on? The pirate is sporting a stiffy.

Is that what you look for in a man ?_?

No one can say that Tupac or Biggy weren't great rappers

I can.

My brother worships them. He thinks he's black when he got the whitest stomach I ever seen.

And he still refuses to believe Tupac is dead.

Even though he was shot.

Many times.

And buried/cremated.

And he still refuses to believe Tupac is dead.


Haha! It always seems to be the white guys that believe in this rumor. I have yet to meet a single black person who still believe he's alive. x)

I believed it for quite some time they never elaborated on his death they said Tupac was killed today, no info/details or anything. Also how can you say Biggy was one tof the greatest rappers? If you don't isten to rap it's cool, but atleast don't shoot down the best of the best not knowing what your saying.

good rap is good unfortunately most of what around these days is unmitigated shit

i like Tupac but i wouldnt include him as 1 of the greatest.Biggie,never heard a song from him

What?!!! aol.music.com asap.

Hip-Hop is good.
Rap sucks.
Learn to differentiate.

Tupac fluctuated between genius and complete retardation.
Biggie had a clever delivery, but mostly deplorable content.
Same goes for Jay-Z and/or Big Pun.

Of course, this is all pretty irrelevant on the internet, as the internet only listens to Fall Out Boy and My Chemical Romance and the like.

Enjoy your rap music, Darkness.

thank you Maester Music, give us more of your half-assed assertions.

no rap better then S M

Of course, this is all pretty irrelevant on the internet, as the internet only listens to Fall Out Boy and My Chemical Romance and the like.

Yes, we are a startling part of the internet population (sadly?). Now, I need to say something emo and stupid. No wait, that's all kinds of redundant. I need to say something stupid....

<3 <3 <3 Gerard & Frank & Pete & Patrick <3 <3 <3





















No, really xD

I wish Gerard stayed blonde. He looked a lot cooler that way. Oh well.

Rap is good for beats. Every now and then I have the urge to slightly bob my head up and down. Still I prefer the vigorous head bobbing music.

I wish Gerard stayed blonde. He looked a lot cooler that way.

I concur. I was so blown away by the video for I Don't Love You that I didn't even notice it until I was watching Teenagers.

Hip-Hop is good.
Rap sucks.
Learn to differentiate.

Tupac fluctuated between genius and complete retardation.
Biggie had a clever delivery, but mostly deplorable content.
Same goes for Jay-Z and/or Big Pun.

Of course, this is all pretty irrelevant on the internet, as the internet only listens to Fall Out Boy and My Chemical Romance and the like.

Enjoy your rap music, Darkness.

Hip Hop is an urban cultural movement comprised of four main elements and possibly a soon to be fifth. Rap is one of those four elements.
Hip Hop and Rap cannot be "differentiated" as different genres of music as Hip Hop isn't a genre at all.
Learn to do your research.

Oh and can somebody please close this thread already? We've already had one ignorant post bordering on stupidity, not going to be long before the rest of the fag wagon joins in.

Rap is one of those four elements.
Hip Hop and Rap cannot be "differentiated" as different genres of music as Hip Hop isn't a genre at all.


Not all Rap is Hip Hop. Think about that... and then YOU do the research.

Not all Rap is Hip Hop. Think about that... and then YOU do the research.

How is not all rap a sub-category of hip hop? Hip Hop is the culture that spawned rap.

Hip hop is the expression of the soul in an art form. Hip hop is about relieving yourself of your stresses through art. To call yourself a hip hop artist, you have to stay true to yourself and true to your expression. The reason why so many artists these days are criticized is because they don't stay true to hip hop. They hustle hip hop in order to get rich. There is nothing wrong with speaking your mind, in fact, hip hop encourages that, but hip hop is not about lying in order to get rich, which sadly, so many artists do nowadays. Nonetheless, it is idiotic to try and re-define the culture no matter side of the spectrum you are on.

The Four Aspects Of Hip Hop Culture
Most importantly, hip hop is a CULTURE. Many people take hip hop very seriously and consider it a way of life. It's not just what you see on your TV set.
The 4 main elements of hip hop (in random order) are:
- Rap
- Graffiti
- B-boy (breakdancing)
- DJing

It's argueable where hip hop first started. What we do know is that it's derived from many different factors. Many people say that hip hop started on the streets of New York, but some people go even deeper to say that it started in the West Indies, or even Africa. The closest form of art associated with hip hop would be reggae. Hip hop started close to the early 1970s, and it was very much influenced by the reggae sound. One of the pioneers of hip hop is DJ Kool Herc. He was born in Jamaica, but he later on moved to the Bronx and that's where his Jamaican style of DJing brought forth the first steps of the hip hop culture. At first, Kool Herc would chant rhymes over his Jamaican beats, but since his Jamaican sound didn't get much interest in the States, he started rhyming over various popular instrumentals.

In those early days, young party goers initially recited popular phrases and used the slang of the day. For example, it was fashionable for dj to acknowledge people who were in attendance at a party. These early raps featured someone such as Herc shouting over the instrumental break; 'Yo this is Kool Herc in the joint-ski saying my mellow-ski Marky D is in the house'. This would usually evoke a response from the crowd, who began to call out their own names and slogans.

As this phenomenon evolved, the party shouts became more elaborate as dj in an effort to be different, began to incorporate little rhymes-'Davey D is in the house/An he'll turn it out without a doubt.' It wasn't long before people began drawing upon outdated dozens and school yard rhymes. Many would add a little twist and customize these rhymes to make them suitable for the party environment. At that time rap was not yet known as 'rap' but called 'emceeing'. With regards to Kool Herc, as he progressed, he eventually turned his attention to the complexities of djaying and let two friends Coke La Rock and Clark Kent (not Dana Dane's dj) handle the microphone duties. This was rap music first emcee team. They became known as Kool Herc and the Herculoids.

I've done the research kiddo, you need to straighten out your facts.

The Four Aspects Of Hip Hop Culture
Most importantly, hip hop is a CULTURE. Many people take hip hop very seriously and consider it a way of life. It's not just what you see on your TV set.
The 4 main elements of hip hop (in random order) are:
- Rap
- Graffiti
- B-boy (breakdancing)
- DJing

It's argueable where hip hop first started. What we do know is that it's derived from many different factors. Many people say that hip hop started on the streets of New York, but some people go even deeper to say that it started in the West Indies, or even Africa. The closest form of art associated with hip hop would be reggae. Hip hop started close to the early 1970s, and it was very much influenced by the reggae sound. One of the pioneers of hip hop is DJ Kool Herc. He was born in Jamaica, but he later on moved to the Bronx and that's where his Jamaican style of DJing brought forth the first steps of the hip hop culture. At first, Kool Herc would chant rhymes over his Jamaican beats, but since his Jamaican sound didn't get much interest in the States, he started rhyming over various popular instrumentals.

In those early days, young party goers initially recited popular phrases and used the slang of the day. For example, it was fashionable for dj to acknowledge people who were in attendance at a party. These early raps featured someone such as Herc shouting over the instrumental break; 'Yo this is Kool Herc in the joint-ski saying my mellow-ski Marky D is in the house'. This would usually evoke a response from the crowd, who began to call out their own names and slogans.

As this phenomenon evolved, the party shouts became more elaborate as dj in an effort to be different, began to incorporate little rhymes-'Davey D is in the house/An he'll turn it out without a doubt.' It wasn't long before people began drawing upon outdated dozens and school yard rhymes. Many would add a little twist and customize these rhymes to make them suitable for the party environment. At that time rap was not yet known as 'rap' but called 'emceeing'. With regards to Kool Herc, as he progressed, he eventually turned his attention to the complexities of djaying and let two friends Coke La Rock and Clark Kent (not Dana Dane's dj) handle the microphone duties. This was rap music first emcee team. They became known as Kool Herc and the Herculoids.
Delicious copypasta~ But, you lose marks for not citing your sources. :P

However, this little tidbit here...

The reason why so many artists these days are criticized is because they don't stay true to hip hop. They hustle hip hop in order to get rich. There is nothing wrong with speaking your mind, in fact, hip hop encourages that, but hip hop is not about lying in order to get rich, which sadly, so many artists do nowadays.
...Kinda makes my point.
Not everything marketed as Rap music is produced as an expression of an artists' truth.
If we were to compare Rap music to apples, and say that Apples are a part of the Fruits and Vegetables branch of the Food Pyramid... I contend that SOME Rap music is comparable to a bottle of Snapple Apple.

Don't mind escalayer, he likes to mask his utter lack of the knowledge of what he's talking about with an air of utter unfounded condescension and egotism.

Don't mind escalayer, he likes to mask his utter lack of the knowledge of what he's talking about with an air of utter unfounded condescension and egotism.

I'm not trying to condescend anyone. And yes, I realize I've been acting like an asshat recently and I apologize for that, but I'll save that for another time.

General Iroh: I'm not quite getting what you're saying. I think I have an idea, but please clarify.

I think Escalayer likes rap....

I think Escalayer likes rap....

Didn't mean to sound like an asshole against you in that thread. I've been dealing with personal problems and whatnot and was just venting.

I've listened to some Rap, and I must say most of it is crappy, or at least where I live, people have awful choices.
Personally, I defined Rap as nothing more than some stupid music with a bunch of foul language like "Shit, Bitch, Fuck, etc" and to be honest, it gets old to listen to the song that is mainly composed of foul language. I like my music with little or no cussing. And don't get me started on heavy metal and heavy rock artists where all they can do is screech into a microphone with a lot of the words sounding like "Gahhhhhhh!!!!!!" or "AHHHHHHH!!!!" Seriously? If thats all they can do, they need a new choice of profession or be stabbed to death with a rusty knife, because thats how I feel when I hear such crappy music.
But I will say this, I don't hate all Rap. I managed to find some decent rap music. But crappy artists give the genre they categorize their music in a bad name.

You're also an idiot for using Black metal as a representative to the entire heavy metal genre.

I'm gonna stick to my Jurassic 5, Talib Kweli and Kanye West. At least they say something of some value from time to time.

*Walks away repeating the 'Wipe Me Down' hook.*

Sorry Joan, never heard of a genre called Black Metal, would you like me to edit my post and list it as a horrible genre to listen to, even though I haven't heard of it?

I'm gonna stick to my Jurassic 5, Talib Kweli and Kanye West. At least they say something of some value from time to time.

*Walks away repeating the 'Wipe Me Down' hook.*

Smarties:

Yeah, I had an interview at an ad agency I wanna work for and "Wipe me down" was on as I left home. It was on again as I left the agency. It was pretty funny, and even more was the line:

"Shoulders, chest, pants, shoes" or something like that.

There's a line from another song that goes something like this:

"I'm gonna take me a shower, gonna need about an hour ('bout an hour)."

Sometimes radio music amuses me. I don't even know who did either song.

Sorry Joan, never heard of a genre called Black Metal, would you like me to edit my post and list it as a horrible genre to listen to, even though I haven't heard of it?

No because black metal does have good music to listen to.

Vashnik - All you've got to know that not all Music Genres have a clear cut defining style, practically every genre has it's sub-divisions/categories.
For metal there's quite a few for example:
Hair metal, Thrash metal, Speed metal, death/black metal, Nu-metal... etc.

even manufactured music like electronica has it's sub-divisions.

Rap is definitely good, it's just that most of the good rappers have been shot. No one can say that Tupac or Biggy weren't great rappers and they took their genre of music to the the extreme with their lyrics and beats. I guess you can say that it sucks, it really depends on who you are but, people gotta understand that rap is supposed to be a message in the song and the beat is supposed to match the lyrics. I think people have to stop hating on rap so much because it really isn't that bad and I think people have to listen to the good rappers before they can start saying rap sucks. Because in actual reality, if rap sucked, it still wouldn't be that popular but, it is.

The fact that they're getting shot testifies to just how fucking shitty their "music" is.

If you're a freaky dancin' ho, keep shaking that shit. Lets see how good you shake it, on top of my dick.

The fact that they're getting shot testifies to just how fucking shitty their "music" is.

Two words, Dimebag Darrel.

QED, bitch. :smrt:

Two words, Dimebag Darrel.

QED, bitch. :smrt:

Also, John Lennon.

The fact that they're getting shot testifies to just how fucking shitty their "music" is.So by your rationale, what does that say about Kurt Cobain
He shot himself because he thought his music was crappy?

So by your rationale, what does that say about Kurt Cobain
He shot himself because he thought his music was crappy?

Those two are interesting...they were just as brilliant as they were banal.

It does, however, represent the kind of duality in the culture they come from, which is just another version of the duality of any culture between brilliance and obsession with sex, money and power.

Here's something I learned from a professor in my Music Appreciation course:

There's nothing wrong with not liking music. Anything like that is subjective and the value of a particular style varies from one person to the next. However, that doesn't take away from the individual talent that some artists in a given genre have.

In other words:

You don't have to like it, but if the quality and talent are there, then you should at least appreciate it for what it is. I mean, I don't like country music, but there are artists there that say some deep and meaningful things, or make really enjoyable tunes, and I appreciate it.