maktown
05-19-2007, 05:59 PM
I just recently got the Luigi's Mansion OST....... and FAWK!.. it is the most horrible soundtrack I've ever heard :-(
What ever happened to the great music of the old mario games ESPECIALLY Mario 64???...... Just wondering is this a trend or can anyone suggest some Nintendo game soundtracks they they would consider SUPERIOR to music from other consoles' games? Please suggest away!... Wat are some OSTs that I must absolutely hear in your opinion?

Domingo
05-19-2007, 06:11 PM
Most of the Mario and Zelda games have really good music to them. However, I really think that their music really hasn't been as good as, say, Playstation or PC games have, overall. I've got almost 180 video game OST's on my computer right now, and only a handful of them are from games by Nintendo (Most of those are Mega Man tunes - old school!). The Playstation seems to be where all the good ones are at.

(Note that I'm not bashing Nintendo here, just stating my opinion.)

Sparksterchan
05-21-2007, 12:50 AM
You pretty much nailed it when you said Luigi's Mansion. Luigi has gotten the short end of the stick since the beginning. XD; To use that as your example of Nintendo music would be silly. Luigi is... Luigi. Always second-rate, and will never have anything in his games better than anything in his brother's.

*killed by Luigi fans*

I think, wait until fall to make that decision. A lot of games are coming out then on the Wii, and a good few of those games are highly anticipated. The way the music on those games is treated will tell. Right now, the Playstation has the best music, I'd say. But they get the most games. There are a LOT of Sony exclusives.

cstrife0777
05-21-2007, 03:19 AM
Fire Emblem series FTW

Pray_Love_Will_Grow
05-21-2007, 03:35 AM
Luigi's Mansion OST is horrible. But just listen to Pikmin 2 OST or something. One of nintendos fineist.

Puyo
05-21-2007, 04:21 AM
Twilight Princess... although I enjoyed the soundtrack, I would have preferred an actual orchestral soundtrack. Instead, we got one or two orchestral pieces and about a hundred MIDI songs.

Heffy
05-21-2007, 04:56 AM
Actually, I've noticed that Koji's doing less work lately... Asuka Ota seems to be filling in. He did the New Super Mario Bros. soundtrack (along with Hajime Wakai), and some of the songs in the Twilight Princess soundtrack (Koji did most of that, and Toru Minegishi did a few too). Asuka's good, but he's definitely no Koji...

Yeah...I really hate Luigi's Mansion in general. Shinobu Tanaka and Kazumi Totaka (who did some nice themes for Yoshi's Story and Animal Crossing) did that one. Speaking of which, The Mario Kart Double Dash and most of the Super Mario Sunshine soundtrack were done by Shinobu, and those were mediocre at best, which really leads me to believe that Koji's either busy with something else, isn't interested in videogame scoring anymore, or...some other reason.

Lijik
05-24-2007, 05:54 PM
While I liked the music in Luigi's Mansion, I have to agree that Mario music as a whole isn't a good as it used to be.

Now, Nintendo Music in general going downhill? Hell no.

Lawrence_Bastard
05-25-2007, 03:52 AM
Luigi's Mansion was one of the first Gamecube games. To really judge the progress of Nintendo's music, check the other games they've released:

Super Mario Sunshine
Zelda: WW and TP
Metroid Prime 1 and 2
Star Fox Adventures and Assault
Smash Bros. Melee
Paper Mario 1000-year Door

There are other examples, but who gives a damn. If you don't like the way any of those sound, then the answer to your question is "Yes, Nintendo's music has fallen."


While I liked the music in Luigi's Mansion, I have to agree that Mario music as a whole isn't a good as it used to be.
Will it ever be? Not in my books. I don't know why, but the Overworld Theme in SMB 1 has always sounded best in its 8-bit form. Any remix of it I've heard from any game since then hasn't surpassed it. New SMB did a good job with the music. Regardless, nothing tops the classic.

maktown
05-28-2007, 03:27 AM
Actually, I've noticed that Koji's doing less work lately... Asuka Ota seems to be filling in. He did the New Super Mario Bros. soundtrack (along with Hajime Wakai), and some of the songs in the Twilight Princess soundtrack (Koji did most of that, and Toru Minegishi did a few too). Asuka's good, but he's definitely no Koji...

Yeah...I really hate Luigi's Mansion in general. Shinobu Tanaka and Kazumi Totaka (who did some nice themes for Yoshi's Story and Animal Crossing) did that one. Speaking of which, The Mario Kart Double Dash and most of the Super Mario Sunshine soundtrack were done by Shinobu, and those were mediocre at best, which really leads me to believe that Koji's either busy with something else, isn't interested in videogame scoring anymore, or...some other reason.

Yes i know, Koji is the one that gave us those CLASSIC tunes that, when heard, is instantly recognizable the world over.Where d fuk is he!?!? hehe

Lijik
05-28-2007, 04:51 AM
Well I know Koji is doing some work on Super Smash Bros. Brawl, but he shouldn't be doing so much music for it that he can't do anything else.

Argus Zephyrus
05-28-2007, 03:26 PM
Kondo is 47 now. Maybe he's getting a little tired?

DarkMatter
05-29-2007, 07:40 AM
What was so terrible about Luigi's Mansion's soundtrack? Anyway, no, Nintendo music hasn't been going downhill. Go play Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door. That has a fantastic soundtrack.

mappalazarou
05-30-2007, 01:50 PM
Just wait until the OST to Super Smash Bros Brawl hits the stands.

Here's a list of the musicians making music for it.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/music01.html

Chachoregard
06-01-2007, 12:07 AM
What was so terrible about Luigi's Mansion's soundtrack? Anyway, no, Nintendo music hasn't been going downhill. Go play Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door. That has a fantastic soundtrack.
THAT I can vouch for that. I didn't spend months looking for that soundtrack, I loved the game and I also love the soundtrack. Though I do have to say the "Super Paper Mario" soundtrack is a lot better IMO.

Though of Nintendo Music going downhill, I don't think it is. I mean, it's Luigi's Mansion, one of the games at Gamecube's birth, and besides(like someone said) it's Luigi. He's always second rate, despite the fact that he thinks he's first rate. XD

gaiden
06-01-2007, 12:54 AM
zelda and mario are really bad about reusing there songs over and over again in diffrent tones to make there albums standout but that could be me over stating something we all knew

Andyuk
06-01-2007, 01:59 AM
zelda and mario are really bad about reusing there songs over and over again in diffrent tones to make there albums standout but that could be me over stating something we all knew

Remix?

gaiden
06-05-2007, 01:02 AM
ether that or just different styles

TeaBag
06-06-2007, 01:38 AM
It seems to me that in many instances, the larger the limitations on Nintendos music, the higher the quality.. take for example mario kart 64 vs mario kart double dash.. 64 has a bunch of awesome catchy racing tunes that are almost midis, while double dash has access to millions of sounds and ends up with dopey cartoon fanfares. Then Mario Kart DS shows up, and it's soundtrack is somewhere in between.. hmmm..

chronolocke
06-21-2007, 04:01 AM
Is it me or does anyone else think that Nintendo ought to spend the money for orchestral music instead of just going with Midi music? I remember hearing Mario and Zelda Big Bang concert and the music was great in my opinion. Can you imagine if Nintendo put instrumental music in their games?

What do you think?

Argus Zephyrus
06-21-2007, 04:51 AM
Doesn't it cost much more to hire a whole orchestra? Not to mention the recording equipment and a chamber with good acoustics for them.

Albel
06-21-2007, 05:20 AM
I don't think its going down hill, Koji (Composer of Mario and Zelda Music) may have failed Luigi's Mansion, But Twilight Princess is amazing

chronolocke
06-21-2007, 10:20 AM
Doesn't it cost much more to hire a whole orchestra? Not to mention the recording equipment and a chamber with good acoustics for them.

That's a very good point. I hadn't thought of that until you mentioned it. Maybe an orchestra isn't the way to go, but I think Nintendo could do what a bunch of other companies are doing in regards to their music (I don't know if they are ready to have Monks chanting like in Halo an you imagine Monks chanting in a Mario game or Zelda game? What do you think they might chant?). :) How many other game development companies are still using Midis for their music?

Since Nintendo is going with simpler is better in their game creations (or reiterations), I don't know if they'll ever update their game music.
In any case, we'll just keep on downloading music from other non-Nintendo games until then and hope Nintendo can improve their music. What do you think?

arthurgolden
11-10-2007, 01:10 AM
Luigi's Mansion was one of the first Gamecube games. To really judge the progress of Nintendo's music, check the other games they've released:

Super Mario Sunshine
Zelda: WW and TP
Metroid Prime 1 and 2
Star Fox Adventures and Assault
Smash Bros. Melee
Paper Mario 1000-year Door

There are other examples, but who gives a damn. If you don't like the way any of those sound, then the answer to your question is "Yes, Nintendo's music has fallen."


Will it ever be? Not in my books. I don't know why, but the Overworld Theme in SMB 1 has always sounded best in its 8-bit form. Any remix of it I've heard from any game since then hasn't surpassed it. New SMB did a good job with the music. Regardless, nothing tops the classic.

I think you make a good point. Personally, I didn't like Luigi's Mansion or the soundtracks of any of the other games you listed (except for a few tracks from Twilight Princess). Hadn't thought of this before. I don't have a whole lot of new Nintendo music, like many of the other responders.

Destai
11-10-2007, 01:15 AM
meh, I dont think nintendos music was ever "up" the hill. There is kindve a call to step their game up as other video game music improves.

NintyBoy2000
11-10-2007, 06:14 AM
Mario Galaxy says no!

Lijik
11-10-2007, 07:20 AM
I have to admit Mario Strikers charged and Mario Galaxy have already beat the pants off of everything in the past generation save for Wario World and Luigi's Mansion.

venom75x
11-16-2007, 06:16 AM
yea i just got the game today not only did the gameplay blow me away but the soundtrack my god the soundtrack was beautiful especially the first song for the first planet wow i played for 3 hrs i feel like playing it right now oh yea and other proofs that nintendo is not going downhill
zak and wiki
metroid prime 3
no more heroes
super smash bros brawl
resident evil umbrella chronicles (decent game)
guitar hero 3
wii fit
wii ware and the possibility of seeing downloadable content in future games being done soon by namco so i think there is still some life in nintendo

:Lithium:
11-16-2007, 08:05 AM
Venom he's talking about the music not the games

but yeah I agree mario galaxy's OST is amazing.

venom75x
11-16-2007, 08:08 AM
well what about twighlight princess the hyrule field song was nice although it was a midi still i liked it and the music from the upcoming super smash bros is going to have a nice soundtrack especially the fire emblem theme and the meta knight theme

WedgeWalkr
11-19-2007, 05:40 AM
I think we have to look at 2 separate issues: quality of composition, and quality of sound reproduction.

I think, perhaps up until last week, it's been fair to say that Nintendo has tended to lag behind in the quality of sound reproduction side of things. Their decision to stick with MIDI based and MIDI-esque music has hurt them in this area. Although with scores like Twilight Princess that problem seems to have lessened a bit.

In terms of quality of composition, there might be some small drop-off in recent years if you take all Nintendo games together, but not much. And when they really nail it, they knock it out of the park.

That having been said...
Super Mario Galaxy

That's all I have to say.

DragonKazooie89
11-19-2007, 08:27 AM
Just wait until the OST to Super Smash Bros Brawl hits the stands.

Here's a list of the musicians making music for it.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/music01.html

The music's great! I can't wait until it comes out!

Poscow
11-19-2007, 08:57 AM
I have never really been a fan of Mario music. I mean, I like it, but it never really seemed like it was worthy of downloading. SMG, on the other hand, was completely download-worthy.

However, I did like the music in Metroid Prime 1 and 2 better than 3, and the old Zelda music better. The SSBB music looks to be shaping up well as well, so I would say it's a mixed bag.

Jeffreyw
11-22-2007, 09:48 AM
galaxy is simple amazing
and its retro songs are great and some play out in cool clever ways.

gironimo appleton
11-24-2007, 03:38 AM
Nah Nintendo is good on the music, though I am not too sure what to say about the games.

30treei8
11-24-2007, 06:57 AM
Most of the good Nintendo tunes of the past were produced by the guys from Rareware, and they had moved to Microsoft about five years ago. That's part of the reason why we're not seeing quality compositions that often.

SH&E
01-08-2008, 02:29 PM
Animal Crossing games always seem to have a great OST, but really it depends on the composer i guess... not just Nintendo.

joypad
01-08-2008, 06:42 PM
i think nintendo music has always been downhill. sega has always been the best innovators for game music in my view. simply games like jet set radio, headhunter, space channel 5 and shenmue push the envelope as to what kind of music can be delivered to the gamer.

odd exceptionsl ike smash bros melee are some the nicest and best game ost's there is. nice live music at its best. the melee concert album was exceptionally beautiful. and more recently, i was completely delighted to hear when playing mario galaxy that all the music was live and orchestrated. makes a huge difference to a gaming experience in my view.

shouryuuken
01-08-2008, 08:30 PM
Most of the good Nintendo tunes of the past were produced by the guys from Rareware, and they had moved to Microsoft about five years ago. That's part of the reason why we're not seeing quality compositions that often.

nah its all about koji kondo. although goldeneye, killer instinct, and donkey kong country had great music, there are also many nintendo franchises that did some nice stuff over the years. i like donkey kong jungle beats music, but mostly i didnt like as much gamecube music as i did n64.

goldeneye, fzero x, mario 64, ki gold, ocarina of time, and im sure im missing some, thhey all had great tracks.

but all i have to say (as anyone else has said numerous times) is GALAXY. some of the best music ive heard in years, and def the best mario music ever. but overall.. id have to say nintendos music although good has never been mindblowing to me, sega always did that i thought. 16 bit sonic, (the first adventure as well), streets of rage, virtua fighter (pre 4), phantasy star, panzer dragoon, shining force, shinobi, nights, jet set radio, and many others had amazing sdtrks. while sega made games still.. their soundtracks beat the pants off of sony and nintendos, but now that theyre third party, their music as matched their games in the quality department.

joypad
01-08-2008, 09:50 PM
while sega made games still.. their soundtracks beat the pants off of sony and nintendos, but now that theyre third party, their music as matched their games in the quality department.

i've noticed this too. since the dreamcast / xbox days ive not heard anything stand out which i would normally take notice of. don't supose they got the money to spend on audio as they used to.

f-zero is a good reminder. one of the best snes soundtracks ever. does deserve a revamp. megadeth's n64 effort was great but 1 album isnt enough.

SH&E
01-08-2008, 09:54 PM
Video Game Music is getting too close to real (not real music but you know what I mean...) music (pop n crap...) to be original anymore. I think that's it... (VGM is still real music but I can't think of the right word...)

AZFox
01-08-2008, 11:08 PM
While I enjoy most of the soundtracks in Nintendo's games for in-game listening, I have a hard time playing them outside. Only exceptions are the Mario Kart games, Zelda games, SSB Melee, and the first 1080.

Edit: Wow, how could I forget F-Zero X. I'll have to go out back and shoot myself for that one.

etisme98
01-09-2008, 12:18 AM
I know it was originally a Sega game but think for the most part the soundtrack for Nights Journey of Dreams is excellent. A nice mix of old and new.

Lijik
01-09-2008, 01:28 AM
Video Game Music is getting too close to real music (pop n crap...) to be original anymore. I think that's it...

I'm quite interested in your theory, can you please explain to me this mindblowing concept of "fake" music, and what else constitutes to you as "real" music. Because quite simply, my whole life has been a sham if all real music consists of is turds and the pop genre.

Sufijo
01-09-2008, 01:33 AM
Yeah, "real music" is not the phrase to use in this situation.

More relevant to the topic, as production of enormous games hastens, it gives composers less time to mull over what they want the music to sound like, leading to less interesting melodies and larger teams of composers, leading to an unappealing mix of different styles. It might work if all composers had equal talent, but we know that's impossible.

SH&E
01-09-2008, 09:50 AM
DW, forget I ever said that... I can't explain it right heh... I know what I mean :D. How do I delete my post? I sound like a right twat...

Sufijo
01-09-2008, 10:07 AM
You're digging your own grave without giving this enough thought, I think.

As a matter of fact, I can imagine music like that on the radio. Online radio, no problem. As for the standard airwaves, it is not impossible. In an effort to attract attention to themselves, classical radio stations are not unwilling to have movie soundtracks. It's only a step further to have orchestrated video game themes... And a few steps further for the originals.

But I think what you're really trying to say is that video game music "is not a genre commonly played on radio stations." Real music, pfft.

eXtremestrike
01-11-2008, 03:41 AM
Video game music is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better than most other music

plus Nintendo has recently made a switch to using orchestrated pieces instead of synthesized music so give it a little time

Sufijo
01-12-2008, 12:45 AM
That's a good point; Nintendo's first-party games have been using more orchestrated pieces as of late. Unfortunately, that doesn't always mean the quality of the music-- that is, the technical melodies, harmonies, and other intricacies that makes music-- will improve. Orchestras sound better than synth, but that doesn't mean composers will feel obligated to put their full effort into their work.

After all, don't some of our favorite tunes come from the days when the memory taken up by a game amounted to a tenth of an average MP3 file*?

(5MB probably isn't average, I just made that up)

goat giblets
01-12-2008, 05:38 AM
nintendo music was definitely better when koji kondo was doing more of the work. ie pre-gamecube days... :-\

Withope
01-12-2008, 12:20 PM
maybe some composers prefer the digital tone color rather than the authentic tone color. it would be best if a composer could use digital when it was called for and use authentic/orchestra when necessary.

i do believe some songs could have really benefited from an orchestra though (cough cough, Final Fantasy VII, cough cough "Flowers Blooming in the Garden"), but i believe other songs sound good as digital vs. orchestra/authentic (original "The Man with the Machine Gun"). ha sorry to always refer to the series, but it's the VGM i am most familiar with.

i may have strayed away from the point since this is about NINTENDO. but i was merely stating that some songs are good digital, and some songs could be good as authentic/orchestra.


Most of the good Nintendo tunes of the past were produced by the guys from Rareware, and they had moved to Microsoft about five years ago. That's part of the reason why we're not seeing quality compositions that often.

yes. Rareware had some really good compositions. it's really a shame they sold their souls to Microsoft. speaking of Rareware, are they dead? it's cool they gave the rights to use characters from their old games for Super Smash Bros. Brawl. and ceeing that Diddy made it into Brawl, i couldn't be happier. DKC2 FTW!

Glitch
01-12-2008, 01:59 PM
Twilight Princess... although I enjoyed the soundtrack, I would have preferred an actual orchestral soundtrack. Instead, we got one or two orchestral pieces and about a hundred MIDI songs.

I couldn't agree more, the only pieces I really found myself enjoying were the ones of the temples and that's because they were mostly ambiance. Some of the tunes were simply hideous, specially the one from Gerudo Desert, with that low-quality synthesized voice on the background that made me want to mute my TV every time I was around that area. >:O
I do believe Nintendo's been delivering very poor music lately, problem is, as you say, they stick way too much to MIDI samples instead of fully orchestrated soundtracks, however, the overall quality of their music isn't really that good IMO, they just can't compete with other game companies such as Capcom or Square in that area, and they only have a few scattered OSTs, most of them available only to Nintendo Power subscribers and such.

littlesmegger
01-12-2008, 02:37 PM
In my opinion there hasn't been any soundtrack as magnificent as Super Mario Galaxy, it's going to take a hell of an effort to top that, and I'm checking daily for Soundtrack pre-orders despite the fact I've already ripped most of the soundtrack myself haha!

Another soundtrack I'm looking out for is what the new Super Smash Bros. Brawl OST is going to end up like as a finished product. So far it's sounding pretty damn good don't you agree?

behemothjackal
01-13-2008, 09:09 AM
speaking of Rareware, are they dead? it's cool they gave the rights to use characters from their old games for Super Smash Bros. Brawl. and ceeing that Diddy made it into Brawl, i couldn't be happier. DKC2 FTW!

They're still around, just not doing much it seems. Rumored Banjo-Kazooie 3 and Perfect Dark 2, otherwise nothing concrete. Concerning the use of Diddy Kong, that's actually a Nintendo character, and so is the entire Donkey Kong lineup. Rare merely developed those games for Nintendo, the IP never belonged to them however.

You'll never see a Conker, or Banjo in Super Smash brothers as those are original Rare IP's.

Withope
01-13-2008, 09:41 AM
i cee. thank you for the clarification.

behemothjackal
01-13-2008, 09:47 AM
Glad I could be of service! Finally my useless info was of use :)

Randomstuff2
04-14-2008, 06:36 AM
[QUOTE=

*killed by Luigi fans*

/QUOTE]

I think I might have been one of those fans XD... I love Luigi!!!! XD

Lijik
04-14-2008, 11:56 PM
yes. Rareware had some really good compositions. it's really a shame they sold their souls to Microsoft.

Actually Microsoft wished to acquire them so Nintendo said "Name your price". Microsoft did, and Rare was given a deadline to finish all of their projects by. Rare had no hand in the switch, and later on found a loophole where they could still finish their pre-Microsoft GBA games since Microsoft doesn't have a portable console.

XZero
04-17-2008, 01:29 AM
Nintendo soundtracks have never been nearly as good as some JRPG scores. Zelda, for all of its glory, still (for many people) doesn't live up to Final Fantasy VI or Chrono Cross.

I will concede that Super Mario Galaxy was particularly good, and a lot of random Nintendo songs have been extremely memorable (Super Mario Bros. Theme, Hyrule Theme, Kraid, etc.), but complete soundtracks for Nintendo tend not to live up to the quality of others. Interestingly, Smash Bros Melee's remarkably memorable main theme was composed by Final Fantasy favorite Nobou Uematsu.

One interesting thing I learned recently was that two of my favorite N64 soundtracks, Bomberman 64 The Second Attack and Mario Party 1, were composed by Yasunori Mitsuda, not a standard Hudson employee or Koji Kondo respectively. Nintendo music is good, but it still can't compare to a lot of the JRPG material.

spyfoxguy
04-17-2008, 07:25 AM
nope, its not going downhill

Lijik
04-17-2008, 07:45 PM
XZero- Nobou did the theme for Melee? Wow you learn something new every day! Also, can you list some JRPG scores that aren't total copouts like FF7 or Chrono Cross? Theres a difference between "JRPGS" and "Games with great music"

DarkLine
04-17-2008, 09:56 PM
In Addition, Brawl is another peak in Nintendo's Music, they the music most definitly is not going down hill...

Red Arremer
04-17-2008, 10:34 PM
And, added to Brawl, you also have Mario Kart Wii, which features a bunch of awesomeness music full of win.

eXtremestrike
05-06-2008, 08:03 PM
i sort of disagree with mario kart wii having an awesome soundtrack
i like some of it but most of the music to me is dry, the same, and not that great to me.
for example i like the rainbow road song as i have for the last past 4 mario karts, but its just not as great as it could be.
they threw in the good egg galaxy song which i like, but i wish they would have thought of something new instead of making it like galaxy.
even in brawl the same thing occured. it was an awesome soundtrack and all, probably one of the best, but i think they remixed the crap out of the main theme which dont get me wrong i loved it but they could have done so much more to make the music score better

however galaxy had one of THE BEST soundtracks ever cause almost ALL the music was new and fresh

jj984jj
05-07-2008, 05:07 PM
I would have said yes since most of these new composers can't compare to Kondo, but then Mahito Yokota came around and did Jungle Beat and Galaxy so I'm going to go with no.

If you're counting all music for Nintendo published games then definitely not, they constantly hire talented composers like Shimomura, Sakuraba, Sakimoto, Mitsuda, and the like to compose for their games. Plus look at what they did with Brawl.

Zinth
05-09-2008, 02:52 AM
To the contrary, some of their more recent releases have brought forth some of their best music, notably Super Mario Galaxy, Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, and Super Smash Bros. Brawl.

luna_110
01-09-2009, 01:59 AM
I don`t think Nintendo music is going downhill... Luigi`s Mansion was pretty bad in my opinion but games like Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn, Zelda: Twilight Princess, SSB Melee, Paper Mario: 1000 Year Door among others have excellent soundtracks

ShaqZero
01-11-2009, 10:38 PM
As it is, I only collect so much music From series such as Mario and Zelda- the only time I feel these series sounded good was back when they were on the NES, SNES, or Gameboy Consoles... Sorry to say for mainstream franchise music- I only truly prefer Sonic and Megaman- they know what I love...

As to you, Maktown,
I myself suggest the music from the older games is more efficient- Nintendo is going nowhere but down with their music quality lately in my opinion... Something I sadly but honestly agree with you upon.

Unless you look for the right games to play, that is, will you find that this is all not really the case. The quality only sucks on SOME Luigi's Masion.

Link006
01-12-2009, 05:26 PM
To the contrary, some of their more recent releases have brought forth some of their best music, notably Super Mario Galaxy, Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, and Super Smash Bros. Brawl.

Absolutely. Super Mario Galaxy is a terrific soundtrack along with Brawl (still can't believe how many guest composers they came up with for the game!). And I think Twilight Princess is the BEST sounding Zelda game (which... I know... is saying a lot). The music in Metroid Prime 3 was good... not as incredible as Metroid Prime was but it was still good.

I'm very interested to hear how the first truly Wii Zelda will sound.

So, to answer the thread, no, I don't think Nintendo music is going downhill.

Acid Wolf
01-15-2009, 09:30 PM
Nah, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-HtKhNdDx8) I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvl07qvG0pc) don't (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqcyk7xnQ6Y) think (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9MvL5h0-3s) so. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD41d1LCojQ)

Hiroshi Mishima
01-28-2009, 04:25 PM
I gotta say I have mixed feelings on the subject. Nintendo THEMSELVES may be losing their touch, and I whole-heartedly agree. Their games haven't been as good as the NES/SNES/GB days, and that goes for much of their music. However, there are still plenty of Nintendo made games that have had great music. Star Fox 64, most of the Zelda music (I quite liked Twilight Princess' music), etc.

But it is certainly true that the Nintendo music of today isn't anywhere near as memorable as the stuff they were making in the 80's and 90's. I have lot of older game soundtracks on my computer, and only a few new ones. I don't think their music is going downhill as fast as their games, but the decline is there and it's only a matter of time.

Also, no, I don't think most of the good Nintendo music had anything to do with Rare. But in the same vein, I can't really consider much of Brawl's music to be Nintendo's music because a lot of it was done by outside composuers from other companies. And to be quite honest.. not all of Brawl's much was that great, I really disliked some of the remixes.

If we wanna talk about the video game music industry at all, I'd say look at the larger picture. It isn't just Nintendo. I have absolutely no real recollection of any of Final Fantasy music since FF7, and only because 7 itself had such a massive impact on me as a whole (even if I found the game to feel unfinished/unpolished and poorly translated, and feel that all the 2-D games before it were better.. musically as well as everything else). Except for the handful of vocal tracks from 8-10, I don't remember any of the music from those games, and 12 was so unenjoyable as a whole that I still haven't finished it, let alone am interested in their music. Of course, that might be because Nobuo Uematsu left, I'm not sure.

Megaman's music has become less memorable, as well. Castlevania, while still good, is also lacking in memorable tracks. The same can be said of Sonic, which was always known for great music on the Genesis (and most of the Adventure games.. why did they have to give Knuckles Rap... WHY...).

So yeah, if I say Nintendo's music is going downhill slowly, I'm also saying that EVERYONE's music is becoming less memorable. But this is only part of the problem I feel within the game industry, because I also feel that games themselves are becoming less enjoyable. They feel like they're focusing on the visual experience, more than the meat of the game and that includes the music.

Also, while I enjoy a good orchestral soundtrack for a game, and would love to hear such versions of some of my favourite games... I have to say that I still love the older style music that's done using the methods used for SNES and so on.

Oh, almost forgot... I think music in general made today has gone downhill. So it isn't just Nintendo or video game music specifically. There ARE plenty of decent games, music, and soundtracks, but it's more like looking for needles in the hay-stack.

P.B.Y
02-04-2016, 12:12 PM
no nintendo & game music in general is not declining however all other kinds of music are (especially a certain over-rated singer with the last name "swift")! it's to the point that i wish that we could have VGM on TV & radio! if you want to help me convince the networks & radio stations that VGM is a worthwhile investment join Mikurotoro92's Game Music Nostalgia Blog today at www.mikurotoro92vgmblog.tumblr.com! we CAN win the fight!

also please spread the word to your friends who aren't into VGM!

JARROTT
02-10-2016, 11:38 PM
You bet!

Sunshower
01-16-2017, 01:35 PM
This is obviously the best soundtrack Nintendo has made in recent years
https://gilvasunner.bandcamp.com/album/grand-dad-64