Who knows who dies at the end of the game i heard it had a sad ending :(

Which game?

Final Fantasy VIII, obviously. And do you really want us to tell you? Is there a reason you aren't playing to find out yourself?

ff8

umm because i dont have the game anymore and dont have a memory card i lost it

Oh ok, then in that case, I ain't saying shit. Beat to find out.

bye bye then

I could tell ye, so... no one and everyone dies.

Whoever said it was a sad ending probably turned the playstation off before the credits finished.

No one dies in the ending except Raine, I think.

LOL. Raine doesn't die in the ending. Raine was already dead long before the events of the game, and it's Laguna, Ellone and co. that visit her grave.

I know she dies a long time ago but the ending showed that she had died. -.-

Which smart players probably could have deduced anyway --- when Squall asks Laguna to talk about Raine, he indicates that it's too painful, maybe another time.

Ok well I'm just saying if you didn't know it before the ending, the ending showed you.

I think the OP has probably been told that Squall dies, because.. well.. he almost does die.

Am I the only one when first playing the game that thought he died at the end of the first disk like another final fantasy character? :p

Heh! The game does sort of leave you hanging on that, doesn't it?

I thought he died at the end of the first disc!!

I thought it was an excellent way to end the first disc. Bravo, Square!

Oh, and go buy a new copy of FFVIII and a new memory card if you want to see the ending. There is no point in us telling you, besides, the game is worth playing through again anyways...

i heard that selphie was praying for the saftey of the planet from Ultemecia and Sepheroth came down and stabbed her through the torso

It might have been mildly amusing if you hadn't revived a thread that nobody's posted in for over three months to say it.

Why not just watch the ending on Youtube? I didn't have time to finish the game (and apparently now, I have to start over anyway because I had a brainfart and accidentally let a virus loose on my gaming PC - and when I tried to restore my backup, I found that I had stupidly munged it while taking a backup of a different PC). So I searched, and found the entire ending from the start of the battle with Ultimecia to the Credits.

I will restart on the game someday, but for now, I'm content with what I've seen.

Ultimecia dies

Ultimecia dies along with her GF Griever. The End. Squall looks like he's going to die at the end but then somehow Rinoa joins him and then somehow they get back to Garden. No characters die.

Sorry if i ruined your fun.

that was stupid. the ending first looked like he was having a bad trip or going through drug withdrawl. And just when you think/hope he's going to die(depending if you hate him); it went all happy and everyone is alive and happy and its stupid. If you're going to kill off an important character, kill them!

Well, all things considered, I rather liked what I saw of the ending. Perhaps one of the best FF endings ever IMO.

lol.
Its not as if its hard to find the ending on the internet...

FF8 rulessssss :P

I think Squall was the one who die... bcoz at the ending credit you can see rinoa hug the squall. but when the camera angle changing and went up u cant see the squall anymore. I think the squall that shown at that time is only rinoa Imagination.

So you didn't see when he grabs her, holds her closer to him, holds her hand, then leans in to kiss her?

thats on the camera when close up to them.But open your eyes when the camera changing and went up (away from the balamb garden at last time)
u can't see squall anymore...
I believe squall has already die at that time and never shown.(that squall is only an imagination)

You can watch the entire ending yourself following these links.

http://lamda.bluelaguna.net/fmvs/ff8/4//Ending%20Part%201.avi
http://lamda.bluelaguna.net/fmvs/ff8/4//Ending%20Part%202.avi
http://lamda.bluelaguna.net/fmvs/ff8/4//Ending%20Part%203.avi

Your mom dies at the end of the game also Zell gets gang raped by Irvine and Cid

Well, all things considered, I rather liked what I saw of the ending. Perhaps one of the best FF endings ever IMO.

FF9's ending was better though ;) Leaves you much more satisfied and gives you a feeling of completion.

To Silfurabbit: Oh god, I hope not.

I think that Final Fantasy VIII has the best ending I have ever seen on a game because it was so encompassing and you found out what happened to all the main characters. It was the type of ending that just left me completely satisfied. Antother game with a great encompassing ending like Final Fantasy VIII is Lunar: Silver Star Story for the Playstation.

thats on the camera when close up to them.But open your eyes when the camera changing and went up (away from the balamb garden at last time)
u can't see squall anymore...
I believe squall has already die at that time and never shown.(that squall is only an imagination)
When the camera goes up, that's when he leans in to kiss her. Unless you're talking about the video camera that Irvine was holding. It only shows Rinoa in that part because as you can tell, Squall wasn't that close to her for him to be captured on film. Otherwise, you can see him until the camera isn't on the balcony anymore.

Why do people still think Squall died in the end? What reason could there be for him to die, aside from another lame plot twist, possibly even worse than the one where they are all from the same orphanage.

FF9's ending was better though Leaves you much more satisfied and gives you a feeling of completion.
Well, idk. I don't really like sad endings, and I've seen and heard enough spoilers about Vivi that puts that ending on my prefer-not-to-watch endings.

okay... I'll give u some proof
in this picture...

(taken from seifer's handycam. you can see... the range from rinoa to squall places. it's only a few cm.)

and then

this is when squall start to hold rinoa's hand.

and this

where's squall standing????
it's only around 2-3 seconds when the camera shot squall.
It's impossible that squall hiding on the 1st and third pct.
so my conclusion is the squall that rinoa saw was only her imagination.

OH NOES SQUALL IS A GHOST AND RINOA SEES DEAD PEOPLE

Also, haha at "where is him".

sorry, it's not seifer's handycam. but Irvine.
I've given some proof. now its depend on you, did squall die or no

okay... I'll give u some proof
in this picture...

(taken from seifer's handycam. you can see... the range from rinoa to squall places. it's only a few cm.)

and then

this is when squall start to hold rinoa's hand.

and this

where's squall standing????
it's only around 2-3 seconds when the camera shot squall.
It's impossible that squall hiding on the 1st and third pct.
so my conclusion is the squall that rinoa saw was only her imagination.

Isn't that a bit ridiculous how you're willing to stretch things to make them fit your erroneous interpretation? At this point in the ending, the gamer is supposed to wonder if yes or no Squall died. During the first pic were you see Rinoa from her back, this angle was done just to keep the suspence going (Although it was made clear that he did survive when Rinao reached him and the desert transformed itself into a Eden like field...).

The pic 2 speaks for itself (If for some reasons, you can't seem to figure that Squall moved closer to Rinoa during the change of camera... You're probably in the same crowd who thought Aeris resurected at the end of FFVII because they showed a flashback of her praying for Holy.)

The picture 3 should indeed be the first one. At this point, you can easily assume that Squall hasn't reached Rinoa on the Balcony yet.

Then you indeed see them kissing each others while the camera pans out.


Squall survived, Rinao is happy, everyone in the party at Balamb is happy... There was no funerals for the game's main character. The only tomb we see is the one from Raine Loire...

All in all, FFVIII is clear about one thing...


...Its ending is an happy one.

I can't believe I'm about to engage in this asinine argument...

The music is too happy to have Rinoa at the end imagining kissing and being held by her dead boyfriend. Maybe it's a cultural rift, but that sort of image is an entirely sad and gloomy one in the western world, and as such would be accompanied by very sad music. If you want to make a case for the Japanese version, go ahead, idc. But good god, this was retarded.

i think rajin drowned when fujin pushed him into the water at fishermans horizon.

ROTFL!

okay...
think it...
when rinoa on the 3rd pict let says there is no squall bcoz he's not at there yet.
the range between rinoa and the door is far enough. so how can you explain the squall suddenly approach there not until 2 second.
remember that rinoa see the sky not until 2 second. please see the video again for make sure. The range from door to the rinoa place is not a range that human can make within 2 sec.
Squaresoft also didn't to careless make such a mistake. it must have some reason.
So i think the squall has died at the dessert place.
If squall didn't die how can you explain that moment when squall unconcious.
if squall only fainted why rinoa cries? if squall alive after rinoa hug him why didn't squaresoft view the squall alive.
It doesnt make sense if squall suddenly appear like that.
(explain to me logicaly don't becoz u are squall fans and you keep saying he's alive. I myself also like squall)
oh yeah can u explain for me with picture. since i didn't understand what are you talking on your explanation before.

Well, you learning english proper would help you a lot for understanding what I am explaining.

The Squall is alive. And as I say, Squaresoft only showed him on the balcony at the end to keep the going suspense.

The Rinoa cried during the ending in the desert scene BEFORE the landscape has change into a paradise field. If you watch the story parts carefully you can see the part where the Squall promise to be in that flower field if the Rinoa become lost, that she have to go in that field and the Squall will be waiting for her. You even can read that part in the intro movie of the game Final Fantasy VIII. So what you see at the end is the Squall do succeed to find his way to that place after he collapsing. For that to happen, my understanding is that the Squall and the Rinoa have to focus for getting there (in that Time Compressed world, people have to think and focus on the place they want to go for be able to get there.).

In any case, in the last part of the movie ending, the Rinoa first is shown alone on the bacony for SHE IS ALONE AT THIS POINT! After, the Squall come there and the Rinoa sees him. The Squall is standing at A BIT MORE THAN AN ARMs REACH. Then the Squall approaching, camera changing and you see the Squall is closer to the Rinao, then they kiss, and THAT'S IT!!!!

SQUALL SURVIVED.

Now you learning english would be good thing for you and all people here reading you.

Because I can't be arsed to try to write using your language everytime I'm replying to your posts.

I agree with you Hynad.
Firstly, they say that you can't touch a ghost or illusion or anything like that, and if Squall was one of those she wouldn't have been able to touch him and kiss him. Therefore he can't be one of them.

Secondly, people are saying its her imagination, but generally images of ones mind don't go for the length that the scene went for. Besides usually when people imagine things they don't generally go to it all normal like she did....

i think rajin drowned when fujin pushed him into the water at fishermans horizon.

Made my night.

i don't think he did, that wouldn't be a good way to end his character

i never saw that third picture angle in the ending. is it in a different version than the american because in that one as soon as hes there you see him till the end. aslo when rinoa does find him in that dessert place, she hugs him, all goes garden, and she looks back down at him and smiles.

and think about it.. rajin could be dead-hes not anywhere to be found in handycam. where is him?

true, but do you think they would have killed him off in that way?

She smiles!!! YOU SAID IT!!! She smiles!!! She realise at this point that HE IS NOT DEAD!!!!!

Would you smile if you realised your loved one is dead?

HA! You caught them out!
You have a major point there, i only just realised that she does actually smile, so no he definitely isn't dead, i know i wouldn't smile if someone very very close to me died.

i always thought that the only reason they get back to the garden place is because of squall.

he for whatever reason couldnt remember rinoa's face, thats why hes running around in the no-where land. rinoa was waiting at the garden but left to find him and when she did, her holding him triggered his memories and he was able to bring them both back to the garden. thats when she looks down and smiles at him.

In the intro movie, you see Rinoa in the flower field. She's waiting for Squall... Then in the ending movie, we realise Squall can't manage to focus properly to reach her. I think Rinoa was doing the focusing thing properly. Remember, they mention that you need to think of a location and then you'll get there. But all Squall could do was think about Rinoa, his memories of her. And even then, he couldn't remember properly. Rinoa then left the garden. And all seems to get darker (in the place she's running, everything is dark in the ending movie). Then she stops and focus her thoughts on Squall. You then see Squall reaching Rinoa standing in the garden, but for some reasons, she turns at him and she's all blurry. Maybe because she went to look for him... I don't know, because in the video, she still seems to be in the garden, only it's dark instead of sunny... Anyways, it's kinda hard to explain why they didn't reach each others in the first place. But all ended well.

I always thought the intro movie was great, especially when you finish the game and realise that what we see in the intro is some kind of blured memories that could be some kind of remnants from the time loop.

At the end, Squall reaches Edea in the past and she obtains Ultimecia's power... She's told about SeeD and then put that idea into action...

I always thought the story was well thought, and never understood why some people think the scenario is broken.

"Sumimasen..."
I'm not talking that I can't understand english. but what reason u give me.
it is only your opinion. remember, opinion can wrong.
and I see that someone says that if squall is a ghost or shadow, he can't grab rinoa and kiss her.
Do you ever see FFX ending movie. eventhough Tidus is became transparent and cant hold yuna but in the end he still able to hug her. until he go pass her body and jump from the plane.
The biggest question for you all.....
Are you sure that Tidus and squall that the ending movie Realy hug their couple?
How about if Squaresoft make it like they're hugging but in the fact they're not.
tidus only act he's hugging yuna but in fact he can't even toubh her.
What you see is not what you think. So it make sense if squall is never at there.
and then someone said that he never saw one part of my pict.
As you know I take this pict from the US vers. movie.
Eventhough in US didnt have this part but japan does. It means who saw the US didn't know what is the full story. bcoz as you know the creator of FFVIII is Japan.
"Arigato Gazaimasu...."

I can't be wrong when I have evidence that Squall survived.

You have no evidence that Squall might have died and that Rinoa is hallucinating.

By the way, the japanese and US version of FFVIII are the same. So stop you bull right there, please.

The evidence you give me is just your opinion about the game.
I have the solid evidence and that is the picture.
If u dont believe then go to http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/822/t356383-does-squall-die-at-end/2.htm
ask the moderator at there.
This is what she says "That was his spirit

But, seriously, there wouldn't have been enough time for Squall to just simply walk over to Rinoa after she pointed to the sky. And Selphie's camera would have spotted him walking over to her.

First, she pointed to the sky, which was implying that she was doing it to Squall.
The balcony was small, so Selphie's camera would have been able to see everything on the balcony - and Squall wasn't there.

The end part, after the credits, was what was happening when Selphie was filming. It wasn't after the battery had run out. So Rinoa was standing on the balcony with Squall, except he only appeared for her so that's why Selphie and Irvine couldn't see him.

The only reason Selphie got excited was because that was the firts time she had seen Rinoa that night. And, let's face it, Selphie gets excited over everything"

"But the balcony was small. Even though Irvine didn't get there in time, you still would have been able to see a bit of Squall

http://www.ffshrine.org/ff8/fmvshots-disc4/07-credits-(home-videos)/00041.jpg

Keep in mind that Squall was standing directly beside Rinoa so there's no way the camera could have missed him.

Rinao was on the balcony all alone because she didn't feel like celebrating with the others because Squall was dead.

She only smiled and did the pointing thing because his spirit appeared only for her to say his final goodbye and that he loves her.

(And to all the people saying that Irvine didn't get there in time to view Squall, well the only place that the camera didn't see was the garden. Why the hell would Squall be standing in the garden?)"

AND THIS IS WHAT I AGREE:
"Well, I think that Rinoa was a little too sad during this scene -



I know that some people say that she thought Squall was dead, but he was really unconcious, but I'm not so sure of that. I mean, it seems kind of stupid for her to think he's dead, and start crying, then he just wakes up.

- - - - - - - - - - - -

In the final scene it looks like Rinoa's looking for something (like Squall, for example)



- - - - - - - - - - - -


She looks sort of surprised.



She's greeting him the same way she first greets him. Aww.



A final kiss goodbye."

That's the EVIDENCE

OK if you watch the video you'll see that when the credits are rolling and Irvine and Selphine are videoing Rinoa that Squall is not there. You also see at the end after the credits that again Squall is not there. Alright then maybe Squall was hiding around the corner from Selphie and Irvine and maybe he walked up behind her meaning you wouldn't see him after the credits as the camera angle is looking up at the balcony. BUT Rinoa reacts to Squall's presence without looking at him suggesting he didn't walk up behind and he was already there. Therefore Rinoa imagined Squall at that point. Also try to imagine it from Square's POV should they make a game where the main character lives or dies? Which do you think has the biggest impact on the player? And I'm sorry but magically bringing him back to life is just a crappy story line.

YAWN!!!


You're definitely the same as those fools who believed that Aeris resurected at the end of FFVII.
You're only showing us in your posts that you have no grasp of cinematic or storytelling knowledge.



No point in continuing this conversation further.

Jews on a moped, djsenjaya, why don't you go outside, have a lemonade, catch a flick and maybe smoke something considered illegal? You'll feel better, I promise.

whoops

you want facts but you give us assumptions to prove your point.
"fact-he couldnt have moved quick enough from her armlength" says who?
"fact-you can hug and kiss a dead person" says who?
"fact-he wouldnt be standing to the side" says who?
"fact-final fantasy ten..." what does that have to do with anything about anything?


you want facts but your telling us things that arent logical.
squall dies and rinoa smiles at his corps?
squall dies and everyone parties like its 1999?
squall dies and selfie, smiling and laughing at the camera, tells irvine to pan over to rinoa standing (according to you) alone mourning the loss of her love?

no one shows anything hinting at the fact that squall is dead. you just think because the camera was a little off on timing hes a ghost. come on man dont overcomplicate things.



remember, opinion can wrong.

guess what yours is.

Hey... I dont like the way you talk about me...
you even didn't know me.
It is you who didn't wanna hears other opinion.
we explain that part of movie logicaly and scientificly
you're talking like you have enough proof for me. But I dont see any solid proof.
No more reason for me to post to this forum.
Its funnier share my opinion to another forum since they are not as selfish as you are. Just say that squall is alive. or whatever.
I just wanna share my opinion but you all talking like a freak.
So pathetic...

The pathetic thing is that you come up with some lame way to cut the scenes at the end to make it fit your delusional theory about the "ghost of Squall".

Nothing back your theory. Nothing.

While everything points in the direction of him BEING ALIVE.

You fail to come up with any valid argument that could back your theory. The only thing you came up with, is the demonstration of your lack of sense when it comes to cinematographic principles.

youre right, i dont know you. i was arguing my point just as valiantly as you were. i cited your examples as illogical. i posted my opinions as a response to yours. you have every right to respond to mine to continue the debate. instead you call me selfish, you call me a freak, you call me pathetic, and you call me unwilling to hear others opinions. do you know me?

you say you explain that part of the movie logically and scientifically, when you presented those 3 pictures out of chronological order to make us believe squall 'disappears.' you said 2-3 seconds in which the camera changes to give squall time to move when in reality its closer to 30 or more.

if you want the 'proof' you keep talking about ill give it to you but dont threaten to leave just because we disagree. thats the point of these threads brother dont take it personal or youll be eaten alive.

I agree, you come up with some of the most stupidest facts that no one can assume to be wrong or right, if you want to get your point across at least do some proper checking into the game and finding out the truth. Which will most likely be what Hynad has been saying all along.

3 vs 1
so lame....:notgood:
squall alive this alive that...
whatever.... You guys' fantasy was very high.
very fit to final fantasy game.
wakakakka :-D

i think rajin drowned when fujin pushed him into the water at fishermans horizon.

Made my night.

Totally. That brought a smile to my face. First day of my new job, worried about not blending, but aside from being able to visit FFShrine at work again, I come across this gem.

This is going into my signature.

RAMChYLD: But... but.. but... We SEE him climbing back on the deck during the same sequence... O_o

DJ Senjaya,

I never thought that Squall had died in the end, not in the least.

But still, I can see how you might think it's that Rinoa is seeing Squall's ghost. It's an interesting theory, at the very least, and things like this are always open to interpretation. That, and at least you're able to see beyond your own nose, and you're willing to look for more than what's simply handed to you.

...

Other than that, FFVIII had a surprisingly good, lengthy, conclusive ending, for a game that had next to no plot. Then again, it's just as well they gave us a good ending; you had to work relatively well for it!

RAMChYLD: But... but.. but... We SEE him climbing back on the deck during the same sequence... O_o

Yeah, I know. I just that piece of sarcasm amusing.

Squall lives. I've always beleived that... and i'm not willing to change that.

I was looking at the screen shots of Rinoa standing on the balcony from both the camera's view and the bird's eye view. The balcony looks much bigger on the camera if you notice.

Also, Squall was unconcious when Rinoa found him. She thought he was dead because she said his name and he didn't respond. Then flowers started shooting out of the ground and stuff. When she looked back at him, you can tell that her expression showed her relief. She even smiled before hugging him some more.

Besides, Squall didn't die. Otherwise, they would've said he did. All signs point to him being alive. Sorry to bust your bubbles.

Everything does lead to him being alive. Everyone against you, thats funny why bother arguing back?? If you watch the scene closely again she smile and is happy and she would be crying and sad if he died as she love him so much.

They in a way made it look like he was dead when he was unconscious and didn't reply but she did have a sign of relief on her face when the flowers arose.

If you really pay attention you can see Red XIII in the background eating General Cathaway.

I think that is the names of thems

Really??? I didn't see that....

I think it is only on the copies where Rinoa is kicking Squall in the head on the cover

And you can see Seifer dancing with Quistis and um Selphie killing Irvine with her hair

Oh ok, that might explain why i wouldn't be able to see it. I have the actual copy only.

I also have a game called Final Fantasy IX it has a different ending than Final Fantasy VIII it confuses me sometimes.

ok hows that?

Alright Frasier/Ash, that's enough trolling on this thread.

Anyways, almost end of work day as I'm typing this - 35 minutes before I go home. I'll go through the video again when I get home.

Why would you want to go through the video again when it has been clearly and repeatedly established Squall does not die? So you can add more inane information to a thread that's no longer fun enough to post in?

every man dies... but not every man lives

watch the ending on youtube.

Why would you want to go through the video again when it has been clearly and repeatedly established Squall does not die? So you can add more inane information to a thread that's no longer fun enough to post in?
No, so I can back up the fact that Squall does NOT die in the end. Anyways, I forgot to go through the video - ended up spending the entire night hacking my PDA-Phone's software instead -.-

Agent, if you feel it right, lock the thread now. I believe many of us already made it clear that Squall does not die in the end.

So you can add more inane information to a thread that's no longer fun enough to post in?



No, so I can back up the fact that Squall does NOT die in the end. Anyways, I forgot to go through the video - ended up spending the entire night hacking my PDA-Phone's software instead -.-

hahaha

Well, I'm sure there's resources lying around, regarding what the producers had intended about the ending. Maybe they'll be able to tell us whether the Squall we see in the ending was figment of Rinoa's imagination, or not? You kids around here know how to use Wikipedia, right?

Arguing against other people's opinions with opinions is like bringing fly swatters to a sword fight.

I rather agree that we could around in circles to no end and not get any further. So I think I will close the thread, though if somebody actually does manage to dredge something up about the producers' intentions, I'd be interested to hear it.