I enjoy Advent Children more than the game. I don't know why. I guess I just love the storyline better. Plus, I love the graphics used to make Advent Children.

I think it was beautifully rendered; many scenes were very well constructed, and were nice to watch....

But I personally felt the storyline was a little too brief--it didn't feel as deep as the game's storyline....XP

Ah--and as a note--....
If people are rude to you, you don't need to take them seriously. >> They're joking, anyway. XP

Just like "Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within", the only real enjoyable thing about "Advent Children" were the graphics. The 3D artists did an incredible job rendering EVERYTHING and I am jealous and wish I was that talented/had the software, plug-ins and memory that they had when it was created.

My feelings on it are pretty neutral. First time round that I watched it I found it entertaining enough in parts, and have to admit I liked some of the effects, music and animation. However after watching it a second time I came to see it as being pretty average and haven't felt compelled to watch it again since. It's not a film that i'd say I actually hate, but at the same time it's by no means one of my favourites.

The storyline is great!I think the game Storyline was better but for the movie it was ok!The graphics were fantastic and i really enjoyed to watch it!

This movie was probably made for people who are FFVII fans already and the story suffers for it. The graphics however are awesome and like totally pwn

I never heard of it. Is it like Pokemon? I love Pokemon. It's my favorite show!

Pok�mon owns Spy Kids

No responds.

It's alright. I'm inbetween on it.

I hated it. There was no story. Here's how it starts.

Cloud is standing on a hill. OH SNAP! Three matrix wanna be goths come out of no where and start using summons on cloud, but he escapes, which starts a chase which lasts...The whole movie.

Just then summons show up all over the city and the three goths go after Jenova's neck or some such crap because it has the DNA in it to bring back Sephiroth or something like that.

Sephiroth shows up for 12 minutes and only to get his ass handed to him.

Sorry, i didn't like the movie at all. Too much matrix crap and not enough.. You know. Story. Something a movie should have. There are more plot twists in an episode of Inspector Gadget than there is in this movie.

It was just boring. The only good points about this movie would have to be the graphics, which is nothing new from squaresoft, and the music was OK, but not all of it was that great. The only thing interesting about this movie was seeing Tifa NOT dress like a whore. She just looks like some Emo teen now.

Pok�mon owns Spy Kids



Love that pic lol.

I didn't like it, I wasted money on it instead of downloading it first.

Ive only seen it once. I'll probably never see it again.

It was pretty bad. Although, Tifa didn't look like a total prositute this time, there was no story, and Vincent wasn't in it enough. Cloud is a total drama king, and doesn't deserve the spotlight. He's a dork, mourning over a girl who liked someone else!

I enjoy Advent Children more than the game. I don't know why. I guess I just love the storyline better. Plus, I love the graphics used to make Advent Children.

How dare you say that :O - FFVII > AC. There's more kick in VII's storyline in AC.

/me slaps Final Fantasy: Advent Children around a bit with a copy of Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within

i honsetly tried to enjoy it. i watched four times in the hope that it might grow on me but it was just... average... at least it was better than spirits withinn...

the game is better, the movie was ok

I Loved it Even though Sephiroth was only there for 6.mins.

It was worth the wait and It has a better feel in Japanese (The Sephiroth Scene).
I was satisfied with the film overall and Yazoo is an awesome character.

It was a good movie and I never played VII And I understood more about VII Because of the special features on the DVD.

the move overall was good , the story wasn't up to snuff but I mean come on people this was an hour and a half movie not a four hour one ;) , graphically it doesn't get any better then what AC brought too the table...

Iam new here,and i am now a member because of my Boys.But i have to say like it a lot.My Boys have seen the movie about 1000 times until now and they still love it.Okay i like it too.kisses

Iam new here,and i am now a member because of my Boys.But i have to say like it a lot.My Boys have seen the movie about 1000 times until now and they still love it.Okay i like it too.kisses

:laugh:

Well listen i would wish you there the same Schoolsystem as that one we have.My older Son 7 jears is sitting from Lunch time until the night learning on his desk there is no child life.I believe in the most movies there you can find a messege for oll of us,so and in this movie.I havent got any problem with them looking this Movie because the have got it they know the massige they have given in this movie.

Holy shit, another post that makes pre-schoolers look superior.

If you think so!

Definitely a good movie, and a good addition to the ff7 universe. Although my only complaint being the end of the big fight at the end felt slightly cheesy, still really good though.

Well i dont know if there was a Film bevor or if there will be a Film after but as i told in every Movie there is a Messege,so and in this one.Ilike the movie and the same my Boys so they have got 1 Hour the Day where they can look Tv and tehy still like looking this Movie.They ask for the Movie befor and if there will be one more.Kids what can i Say.

alright, kismocat cuz of ur grammar i have absolutly no idea what u just said. thats my opinion tho.
I think the movie was actually pretty good. But i think it could have been MUCH better. Unlike the 20+ hours of the game this was only an hour and a half long. To be honest it could have been at least at long as 2 hours. I mean, come on! harry potcunt can do it, why cant square?? Plus, i think there was WAY too much talking. i dont know bout u guys, but im a fan of less talking, more action. The movie was good but it could have been longer and had a better story line.

I only have seen the movie. My parents diden't buy me the game.
I was awsome, but Sephiroth only appeared on the end and I diden't want to Kadaj to die.(this is my first post(^^')

didn't care for it. the story line was semi ok bit for something to do with ff7 it didn't turn out half bad

I think what kismocat was trying to say is: His kids are only allowed to watch TV for 1 hour a day, and the only thing they then watch is FF7: AC.
Kismo likes the movie, it has "messages" in it, e.g. with Aeris and Cloud etc, and he is right, the film is mysterious at times, has something spiritual, the storyline is amazing, that's what makes it beautiful IMHO.
And I also think that Kismocat was saying that his kids asked him if there was a movie just like FF7:AC but an earlier version of some sort, perhaps FF6.
Or if there will be a new Final Fantasy CGI movie, I certainly hope so.
I loved the movie, I have yet to play the game, ( I know I know, i'm a fool for not playing it, but I never knew about Final Fantasy, well I heard about it at times, but I never got involved that much as I got in the official movie, and it just caught my interest.)
I'm currently *downloading* the full game, the demo didn't work, it keeps crashing after the intro screen where Cloud comes with his sword.
And "Cloudstrife012345", it was not really hard to understand what Kismocat was trying to say, even tho you can assume he is not English, it wasn't really that hard to figure out what he meant.

i still didn't understand what u were trying to say, and how u could fail making u and him look like diferant people

I think what kismocat was trying to say is: His kids are only allowed to watch TV for 1 hour a day, and the only thing they then watch is FF7: AC.
Kismo likes the movie, it has "messages" in it, e.g. with Aeris and Cloud etc, and he is right, the film is mysterious at times, has something spiritual, the storyline is amazing, that's what makes it beautiful IMHO.
And I also think that Kismocat was saying that his kids asked him if there was a movie just like FF7:AC but an earlier version of some sort, perhaps FF6.
Or if there will be a new Final Fantasy CGI movie, I certainly hope so.
I loved the movie, I have yet to play the game, ( I know I know, i'm a fool for not playing it, but I never knew about Final Fantasy, well I heard about it at times, but I never got involved that much as I got in the official movie, and it just caught my interest.)
I'm currently *downloading* the full game, the demo didn't work, it keeps crashing after the intro screen where Cloud comes with his sword.
And "Cloudstrife012345", it was not really hard to understand what Kismocat was trying to say, even tho you can assume he is not English, it wasn't really that hard to figure out what he meant.


Thanks yes its true everthing you sayed.I'm realy looking for an version of FF so my Boys can understand what happend at the beginning.
Messages given in the Movie:
1.Friendship
2.Dont blieve in stragers
3.Dont stop believing in your self
4.Fight for what your believing in
Well there are more but i think you'll know them as well.

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the story line was a bit so so, but it was an alright film in the end

Just like "Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within", the only real enjoyable thing about "Advent Children" were the graphics. The 3D artists did an incredible job rendering EVERYTHING and I am jealous and wish I was that talented/had the software, plug-ins and memory that they had when it was created.

those movies have nothing alike never compare them...the spirits within was a failure for final fantasy series but i think advent children was more than enough to satisfy me :D

Thanks yes its true everthing you sayed.I'm realy looking for an version of FF so my Boys can understand what happend at the beginning.
Messages given in the Movie:
1.Friendship
2.Dont blieve in stragers
3.Dont stop believing in your self
4.Fight for what your believing in
Well there are more but i think you'll know them as well.
Then I'd advice you and your kids to try and get Final Fantasy 7 the game for PC and play it, I am currently playing it and it's enjoyable and i'm understanding more and more of what seemed to be a complex story. :)
FF7 for life. :D

Then I'd advice you and your kids to try and get Final Fantasy 7 the game for PC and play it, I am currently playing it and it's enjoyable and i'm understanding more and more of what seemed to be a complex story. :)
FF7 for life. :D

Get that penis out of your mouth, I can't understand what you're saying.
FF7's story wasn't/isn't all that people cut it out to be, the PC version used MIDIs, and if you're still playing this game and dwelling on it, you really need to get out an play more games.

I fucking loved AC. The visuals are beautiful and I really appreciate the time and effort Nomura and co. put in to making it. I love it so much that I have 3 copies, including the one I DLed. :-* *iz lame*

OMFG!
I just saw FFVII
Lol i know im slow but that was awesome!

Peace.
Matticus-666

I liked it and I'm going to buy the limited editon box.

I think the whole movie context was good, but it missed something. Maybe more explanation what happened to the party after meteor.

And a little more deep on certain conversations, it was a little to much action all the time. But I guess it was the first movie SE did and you can't expect a miracle, heck Final Fantasy isn't a miracle so.

/me slaps Final Fantasy: Advent Children around a bit with a copy of Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within

lol xD

/joins in

Personally I don't see this movie as something graphically excellent D;

(I guess it's because I've been watching too many 3D animations lately, you don't really have to listen to me xD.)

Most of the frames in the movie look quite terrible and by the 2nd time you watch it, it is almost impossible to ignore. For something they worked so long at, I would have expected something much better looking xD, at least something on par with Sprites Within. Spirites Within at least have beautifuly rendered charactors (http://www.stevengiesler.com/ff2.html), smooth animation, and beautiful originally designed architecture. Advent Children has none of those qualities, minus an actual story line...but then the guys are pretty good looking so...

I guess I won't hate it that much :) /hugs Zack

Edit: Forgot i'd already replied in here. Pls ignore.

Well I love the movie, I love all the Final Fantasy stuff. But I'm really more of a Kingdom Hearts fan

Hi, I am new too. I recently seen the english version of the movie. I just have a few questions, because I havent played the games either...lol.

Is there a movie I should have watched before this one? As I watched the movie I felt like I was reading a book halfway through. Yes, I really liked the graphics, but wondered if some depth or understanding was lost in the translation. Should I watch the subtitled version?

Hi, I am new too. I recently seen the english version of the movie. I just have a few questions, because I havent played the games either...lol.

Is there a movie I should have watched before this one? As I watched the movie I felt like I was reading a book halfway through. Yes, I really liked the graphics, but wondered if some depth or understanding was lost in the translation. Should I watch the subtitled version?

You should have played VII before you watched AC. Though that wouldn't necessarily make either make anymore sense :p

I'll be honest. I thought it was just a movie at the rental store, I didnt realize that there was a whole game involved. Does it come on xbox? Is there somewhere where I can read up on the story "before" the movie?

There's a sad little 'reminiscence' on the DVD which edits together scenes from the game. I can't honestly say how helpful it is, as I've played the game several times, but it didn't seem like it would be.

Following a game with a movie, that's Square for ya. Oh and VII is on PSX (i.e., the original playstation) and PC.

Check the gamescript (http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/game/197341.html) by OKvoicetalent.

TSW was like a star trek movie. Actually I dont really remember it. I just didn't like it.

thanks for the answers....

so I should get the dvd of the movie, and it will have that little "pieced together part"? If I recall reading the responses here correctly, one person said the japanese translation made more sense or was better?

Makes more sense and is better cause the voicework is better. The english voices are SILLY.

thanks for the answers....

so I should get the dvd of the movie, and it will have that little "pieced together part"? If I recall reading the responses here correctly, one person said the japanese translation made more sense or was better?

The reminiscence might be on Youtube.


Makes more sense and is better cause the voicework is better. The english voices are SILLY.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and admit that I like Quinton Flynn's work as Reno better than the japanese voice actor.

The movie was good.

The graphics were incredible, and the characters looked extremely realistic. I also think that the voices fit the characters very well.

The music was kinda bad, imo... Nobuo must've lost his touch...

The story line was good, but it had much more potential. There weren't many plot twists in the movie (like one or two), but it was still pretty good.

I thought Nobuo didnt do Advent Children.

He did do the music.... Well, at least that's what Wikipedia says...

idk. Maybe that was DoC where he stepped out.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME??????????????? This is the greatist movie of all time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THOSE WHO DISAGREE WIT DA FREAK ARE IN MENTAL HOSPITALS

Exclude the story,it's really great movie.
I love action scene,it's the best action I've ever seen(Well,it's CG so they can do anything)
I dissapoint about non-sense reason of villain and fan service just to bring Sephiroth back without any reason.

I dissapoint about non-sense reason of villain and fan service just to bring Sephiroth back without any reason.

Although I agree that Square-Enix is milking FFVII and is basically adding to it for fanservice, its classic to have Sephiroth come back, and for AVALACHE to fight for those they love against Sephiroth's evil will.

Yep it's good to see him but they could try to find better reason for bringing him back more reasonable than this. I watched it about 7 times but I still didn't understand those Kadaj guys.

U MI FRIEND SHULDNT TALK lik THAT!!QUOTE=solis;735775]I hated it. There was no story. Here's how it starts.

Cloud is standing on a hill. OH SNAP! Three matrix wanna be goths come out of no where and start using summons on cloud, but he escapes, which starts a chase which lasts...The whole movie.

Just then summons show up all over the city and the three goths go after Jenova's neck or some such crap because it has the DNA in it to bring back Sephiroth or something like that.

Sephiroth shows up for 12 minutes and only to get his ass handed to him.

Sorry, i didn't like the movie at all. Too much matrix crap and not enough.. You know. Story. Something a movie should have. There are more plot twists in an episode of Inspector Gadget than there is in this movie.

It was just boring. The only good points about this movie would have to be the graphics, which is nothing new from squaresoft, and the music was OK, but not all of it was that great. The only thing interesting about this movie was seeing Tifa NOT dress like a whore. She just looks like some Emo teen now.[/QUOTE]

You see that QUOTE???? THAT IS AN EXAMPLE OF AN ADVENT CHILDREN HATER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE POSTED

I really enjoyed the movie a lot. I have the Limited Edition Collector's and have watched it several times. The only problem I had with it really is that some of the English voice actors kinda sucked compared to the Japanese voice actors, but it did have one of my favorite English VAs in it which was cool (Steven Jay Blum)

You clearly do not know good voice acting then. The Japanese voice actors were even worse than the English ones.

Lol. I remember the Japanese version. I couldn't be bothered to pay the dialogue hardly any attention for anything beyond about five or ten minutes, though to be fair that was as much down to not understanding the language as how lame the dubbing sounded.

It's better the the first one. I really hated that one. No offence to anyone. Though Advent Children could have had a better story line.

I liked it, What made the movie for me was the music.

can you rent it from a movie store? Would they have both the subbed and english version?

I loved advent children even I dont understand japanese the action and graphics were awesome and cause of the layout you dont need english to understand the story line. I would love though to see the movie in english and if there is anyone who has it in englih i would really appreciate.

The movie was really cool. I mean, if you've played the game, you probably were exceptionally happy when you saw the graphics. Well, I know I was!! It was great, and I think that the video game would have been if the graphics were like the ones in AC.Also, for those of you that watched it in only Japanese, I got one that had both english and japanese(with english captions). Get it from Walmart...

The movie was really cool. I mean, if you've played the game, you probably were exceptionally happy when you saw the graphics. Well, I know I was!! It was great, and I think that the video game would have been if the graphics were like the ones in AC.

Final Fantasy VII Advent Children was rather a 'meh' experience for me. I probably would've been more excited about it, if it had of been released closer to when the game had come out, FFVII was released back in 1997... having to wait nearly 10 years for the movie? ugh.

A lot of people I've spoken to about FFVIIAC, say the same thing, they love the graphics. That's all very well and good, but imo graphics are just eye candy, they do not make the story.

I loaned my copy to my cousin, and after he watched it, he admitted in was kinda pretty (He's only 13), but couldn't understand much about the story to it (The reminisence bit doesn't really help imo.). I let him borrow my copy of FFVII, and even he said how the movie probably would've been better received, so to speak, if it had of been released say a year or three after the game came out.

Basically, it boils down to the individual in question and their own personal thoughts about it.

It wasn't the best of them.

Tetsuya Nomura produced that movie because he had a better understanding of cinematic techniques/anime/and the characters (since he designed them).

Hironobu Sakaguchi sucks with out his team of magic men. he came up with the idea of The Spirits Within -- An epic failure.

And the trailers for Lost Odyssey look like crap.

He was better suited for retro game design. Bearing in mind Tetsuya helped him a huge amount with ff7/8/9/10.




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Final Fantasy VII Advent Children was rather a 'meh' experience for me. I probably would've been more excited about it, if it had of been released closer to when the game had come out, FFVII was released back in 1997... having to wait nearly 10 years for the movie? ugh.

A lot of people I've spoken to about FFVIIAC, say the same thing, they love the graphics. That's all very well and good, but imo graphics are just eye candy, they do not make the story.

I loaned my copy to my cousin, and after he watched it, he admitted in was kinda pretty (He's only 13), but couldn't understand much about the story to it (The reminisence bit doesn't really help imo.). I let him borrow my copy of FFVII, and even he said how the movie probably would've been better received, so to speak, if it had of been released say a year or three after the game came out.

Basically, it boils down to the individual in question and their own personal thoughts about it.


how can you wait 10 years when the movie was only announced like 2 years before it came out.

players of the game are damn lucky to even have a movie.

it couldn't have been any better. it did exactly what it was meant to do -- to be something really cool for fans of the game.

'Tifa' even said thanks to the fans for supporting the franchise. That kinda sums up why they made the movie.

Jemeela, you are a tremendous fucktard.

originally posted by Jemeela

Tetsuya Nomura produced that movie because he had a better understanding of cinematic techniques/anime/and the characters (since he designed them).

Kudos to Tetsuya Nomura.


Hironobu Sakaguchi sucks with out his team of magic men. he came up with the idea of The Spirits Within -- An epic failure.

He sucks? He was the one who came up with the idea of FF in the first place, and VI was the last FF he had any real hands-on work with. The dark days of FF came with the Sony Generation imo.


And the trailers for Lost Odyssey look like crap.

Stop saying bad things about yourself, you'll lower your self esteem.


He was better suited for retro game design. Bearing in mind Tetsuya helped him a huge amount with ff7/8/9/10.

That's why I loathe FFX then... as far as I knew Sakaguchi had only a extremely minor role in that dogs breaksfast.


how can you wait 10 years when the movie was only announced like 2 years before it came out.

The game was released back in 1997... the movie came out in 2005. You're right, I made a mistake when I said 10 years. Is 9 years better?


players of the game are damn lucky to even have a movie.

We are? Saints be praised, a big company wanting to make money by whoring one of their best selling titles into numerous spin offs and such, release a movie for all the players. Oh joy.


it couldn't have been any better. it did exactly what it was meant to do -- to be something really cool for fans of the game.

Something really cool for the fans? I suppose that's true, from a certain point of view. Myself? I'm a fan of the earlier FF's more than the Sony FF's.


'Tifa' even said thanks to the fans for supporting the franchise. That kinda sums up why they made the movie.

The only reason why FFVII AC probably sold as well as it did DVD wise, is because of stupid noobs to the FF series, play FFVII and cream their pants at how good it is, yet want it to be like a game on the newer consoles.

Now, I am NOT a FF hater. I did like FFVII... but after all these spin offs/movie/prequels/sequels/remake bs... I'm getting sick to death of it all...

Tetsuya Nomura produced that movie because he had a better understanding of cinematic techniques/anime/and the characters (since he designed them).

Hironobu Sakaguchi sucks with out his team of magic men. he came up with the idea of The Spirits Within -- An epic failure.

And the trailers for Lost Odyssey look like crap.

He was better suited for retro game design. Bearing in mind Tetsuya helped him a huge amount with ff7/8/9/10.




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Nomura, the stupid guy who ruins most of what he touches by making everything as if it was MTV commercials DID NOT take any conciderable part in the making of Final Fantasy IX.

Get your facts straight please.

Nomura also suck at what he's supposed to do best. He was a character and monster designer to begin with. Yet every characters he designs look the same. How many Sephiroths and Seifers did he "created".

The truth is, what you say about Sakaguchi being nothing without his team could be said about every major game directors out there. Kojima, Sakaguchi, Suzuki, heck, even Miyamoto would be nothing without his team.

The truth is, Nomura would be NOTHING without Yoshinori Kitase.

Jemeela, you are a tremendous fucktard, have a cookie.

To be honest, is one of the best animated movies I have ever seen. Do you know a place where I can download the "Reminiscence of Final Fantasy VII"? If you know a place, please tell me.

I love It!! It's one of my TOP favorite movies!! I couldn't live without It! lol :D

I love the FF7 universe.

I really liked the movie

I liked the movie

You don't need to say it twice.

The movie had some of the best action scenes I've ever witnessed, but the story sucked.

I love the FF7 universe.


Welcome to FFshrine, FF7Fanboy.

Such a brilliant movie, the epic battle scenes the range of emotions (or lack thereof in clouds cas:):):))
What a movie!!!

i love the movie
and sonic

nice movie

I luv that movie, but Square-Enix could have contacted me about facial matters lmao!!!
uhm yeah basically that :P

see wut I mean? :P ah whatever, he was my fav character before the AC movie anyway xD

Nice!!

Separated at birth!

Nice!!

Separated at birth!
hahaha LOL xD

Man thats fucked up.

Man thats fucked up.

hmmm maybe I should sue them rofl

too much black and white.

I'm going to get raped by fans alike for saying this but I thought this movie was overrated. Yes, it was pretty decent. Amazing visuals, good voice cast...
What did I have a problem with? In my opinion there wasn't enough action, just talking about ridiculous situations that only confused me more. Some flashback scenes would have been nice as well. Overall I'd say the movie is good, it's just praised way too much by it's fans.

ohh hell.....

heeeeeeeeere we gooooooooooooooo

*casts Protega on myself*

*casts Protega on myself*

If it's protect you dont need the- ga ending for one person.

I;'lll cast WALL on you then!!

And Warp myself outta here!

If it's protect you dont need the- ga ending for one person.

How wrong you are! I'm schizophrenic, and at the same time I'm a master of the Shadow Clone Jutsu...and a bank teller.

im surprised there isnt more ppl in the i hate it section because I HATE THE WHOLE COMPILATION, concerning the movie it was just an attempt on spuare's part to milk ff7 little thought was put into it and it only consisted of meaningless action (the terribly boring drawn out bahamut fight scene) and compromised an already great story i dont evan except it as part of the series cuz it makes it stupider!!!

it's my fave movie

its my fave in bizzaro world

Final Fantasy VII: Advent Childrent was the SHIT!!! HANDS DOWN.. all the fight scenes were GANGSTA.. The best one to be was between Cloud and Sephiroth and they were fighting while falling and bouncing off of broken parts of the building. That was TIGHT!!!

Was my first introduction to this kind of CGI and I have to say it did impress me quite a bit. Pretty much convinced me to try out FF for the first time (Started with 8 then went to 7). Good stuff, but not something that sucks me in compared to other games.

Final Fantasy VII: Advent Childrent was the SHIT!!! HANDS DOWN.. all the fight scenes were GANGSTA.. The best one to be was between Cloud and Sephiroth and they were fighting while falling and bouncing off of broken parts of the building. That was TIGHT!!!

A film is not good simply because it has "gangsta" fight scenes, which wern't even that good FTR.

Hum, actually, they were quite THAT good, FTR.

Bash the movie all you want because it's FFVII and that's what everyone do around here (so you have to do so too, right?) But at least give the movie credit where it is due.

Actually, they were the worst sort of tripe imaginable. And no, I don't hate Advent Children because it was FFVII. I gave it a fair shake as a new product, found it to be rubbish, and destroy it accordingly.

The action scenes showed a complete disregard for continuity and were full of annoying quick cuts that would make Uwe Boll proud. That is shit by any standard worth noting.

Hum, actually, they were quite THAT good, FTR.

Tifa Vs Loz was the only one that was anything special.



Bash the movie all you want because it's FFVII and that's what everyone do around here (so you have to do so too, right?) But at least give the movie credit where it is due.

Oh fuck off. Just because it's FFVII doesn't mean anyone who takes a stab at it is doing it because "everyone else is", the same way that people who may like it aren't automatically fanboys. I watched the movie before I joined the shrine and I hated it then, and I hate it now.

EDIT: And also, what exactly does the movie have in it's favour? What do you think I should be crediting it on?

Advent Children is the greatest mov-(interrupted by loud fart)

:lol: That flautulence is rather contagious.

Actually, they were the worst sort of tripe imaginable.
The action scenes showed a complete disregard for continuity and were full of annoying quick cuts that would make Uwe Boll proud. That is shit by any standard worth noting.

They are shit by YOUR own standards. The action scenes are to me the only thing that the movie did right. And I'm sorry to see the quick cuts in them were too much for you to follow.

Still an over rated film whichever way you look at it.

And lack of continuity in a movie (at least if it's not been done intentionally for an acceptable reason i.e. comedy value) is still a technical flaw, regardless of how much/little it bothers people on a personal level.

They are shit by YOUR own standards.

The standards I use to judge films are shared by practically every credible professional critic in the world. No one with an eye for cinematography thought Advent Children had any redeeming merit.


The action scenes are to me the only thing that the movie did right.

Then might I recommend the collected works of Uwe Boll? It seems right up your alley.


And I'm sorry to see the quick cuts in them were too much for you to follow.

haha :(

I can't believe you had to resort to that. I honestly thought better of you than this, Hynad. This is exactly the same as those retarded FFVII fanfucks saying that people who don't like the game's plot just didn't understand it.

bla bla bla

You and your holier than thou attitude.

I am no sheep like some here. That makes me evaluate things on my own. Not based on some pre-established snob paterns.

Anyone with an objective eye could see how spectacular the art direction of the movie is. The CG quality is on par with even Pixar's work. Even if not in the same cartoony style as them. The soundtrack was also great. As for the story, it failed in many ways.

But as far as artistic direction goes, Advent Children is a really great movie.

There are some editing problems here and there during some sequences. But as far as the action scenes go, everything fits. I don't see where you see any continuity errors in them.

You know me well enough to know that the attitude only comes out when I see stupidity.

You say you evaluate things on your own, but that doesn't mean that anything you think is automatically correct. I'm at least willing, every single time, to back up my stances with solid proof or strong reasoning. If you can punch a hole in my arguments, well done. I've admitted in the past that I've been wrong about things. It doesn't happen often, of course, because I'm usually right, but it has happened.

The fact is that no matter how much you like the movie or find in it to appreciate (which there is no problem with), it is a dismal failure as any kind of art.

That's the thing about critics, Prak. Critics are SUBJECTIVE.

If every critics applied the same formula for the movies they review, each of them would give the same marks. But you know as well as I do that it is not the case.

So the argument that you use the same reasoning as all credible professional critics do is moot.


BTW, thanks for calling my views about the movie as stupidity (for reasons you didn't point out). It means a lot coming from you.

Regarding your edit about art direction:

There wasn't really anything outstanding at all about it. Locations were designed specifically to meet the needs of the action scenes, resulting in a lot of abnormally wide open spaces. There was nothing significantly eye-catching about any of the costumes.

As for continuity problems, I can't see how you can claim that they don't exist when the laws of physics change in every scene. The height the characters can jump changes constantly. Crazy superpowers (i.e. Vincent's blurry super-speed moves) come and go at the whim of the director, being forgotten when they become inconvenient to the plot. Hell, just look at the way a bullet to the face simply knocks Cloud's goggles off near the beginning, then a shot from the same gun completely drops him near the end. It's absurd and completely insulting to the intelligence of the viewer.

And as for cinematography, a good example of how utterly retarded it is would be a scene where Cloud is fighting one of those silver-haired idiots; one dives at the other and the camera zooms in super-close so all you can see is a whirl of black-on-black motion, then one goes flying away, giving the viewer absolutely no clue as to what the fuck just happened.

And yes, I do remember all of the worst movies I've ever seen in vivid detail.

You say the matter is subjective, but that only applies to a certain extent. For example, if a big-budget action flick had no music but the Super Mario Bros. theme on infinite repeat, would it be subjective to say that it was the worst movie soundtrack in history? No, it would be an utter fact. Sure, there would be a few people out there that loved it and thought it was brilliant or some such nonsense, but in the end, they're completely wrong.

The laws of physics don't change much. There's nothing telling us what kind of bullets were shot in both scenes. But just a hint here: During the first battle sequence, Kadaj and his gang were just toying with Cloud. They didn't want to kill him... I doubt they would use a bullet to kill in such a situation.

As for the use of jump and super-powers, is that really an argument? The jumping abilities are pretty consistent throughout the movie. They're exagerated from start to end. I don't see a scene in the movie where a character tried to jump and couldn't make it, except during the killing of Bahamut scene. That jump was way higher than anything attempted in the movie, and they put an emphasis on that fact by showing Bahamut high in the sky, and showing us all the characters helping Cloud to reach new heights. In any case, the physics in the movie are pretty well the same from start to end. It's exagerated, and that might not be your thing, but in the setting of AC's world, that's how they work. An anime fan like you should'n't be reminded that.

Now I don't see why you have such a problem with Vincent's ability there. I would understand if he was the main character, not in this situation where he is a suporting one.

As for Cinematography, no scene in the movie made me wondered wtf happened. Sorry.


Finally, a fact is undeniable. Otherwise it isn't a fact. Thus, even if a majority of people think the same about something, it doesn't make it more true for the minority. It becomes a popular opinion. Not a fact.

Wait a second... you're claiming that a gun can be used intentionally to shoot someone in the face and NOT kill them? *sigh*

I find it really funny that you're defending the movie by essentially saying, "It's not supposed to make sense."

Main character or not, it's still brainless fanservice at the expense of common sense. It's deus ex machina writing, which is never a good thing.

The example I gave was just one instance. If you didn't spot any of them, I don't really care. I've already established that you have no eye for discerning quality in cinema.

Lots of people deny facts for various reasons. For example, look at Holocaust deniers. There are plenty of those nuts out there, and anyone with even an ounce of sense knows that it did happen. Some do it for political reasons, despite knowing the truth, and others do it out of sheer ignorance. They're still wrong though, and most of the world knows it. Are you saying that knowledge of history is all an opinion?

I did not like this movie. It was a huge dissapointment, but I expected that anyway, being FFVII and all. Both FFVII, AND this movie bore me. Make no sense. I hate them both.

Wait a second... you're claiming that a gun can be used intentionally to shoot someone in the face and NOT kill them? *sigh*

I find it really funny that you're defending the movie by essentially saying, "It's not supposed to make sense."

Main character or not, it's still brainless fanservice at the expense of common sense. It's deus ex machina writing, which is never a good thing.

The example I gave was just one instance. If you didn't spot any of them, I don't really care. I've already established that you have no eye for discerning quality in cinema.

Lots of people deny facts for various reasons. For example, look at Holocaust deniers. There are plenty of those nuts out there, and anyone with even an ounce of sense knows that it did happen. Some do it for political reasons, despite knowing the truth, and others do it out of sheer ignorance. They're still wrong though, and most of the world knows it. Are you saying that knowledge of history is all an opinion?

You call that argumenting? You demonstrated that I have no eye for discerning quality in cinema how? You can't even see what I'm doing here. You come here talking about the script and every other aspects of the movie, when I specifically said I was talking about the action sequences and the art direction.

But you do as usual, which is whatever you can do (even if out of context) to try to get an upper hand in a debate, right?

And you clearly don't get what a fact is. A movie critic is an opinion, not a fact, no matter how you look at it.

With that, I'm going to walk away, satisfied with what I see as complete triumph. In case you never noticed, Hynad, you made a terrible mistake. You got so caught up in the personal attacks that you neglected the argument that started it all. At least every post I made, no matter how venomous, always had some point in it that was relevant to the argument.

Oh Prak. With that last post of yours, you basically do the same as I did to you. Which was pointing at how you completely disregarded what I was talking about by trying to drag the debate in an other direction, in the hope that you'd get an upper hand at this debate, in which you did nothing but rely on petty insults to try to put me off balance. Your debating game don't affect me, Prak. And it's funny to see all the things you're ready to spit at my face to fool everyone here into thinking you're such a knowledgeable person.

When in actuality, all you did here is pretend to know something as much as some others, without ever showing any kind of proof of it.

That's something you do a lot, actually. But sorry there buddy. It doesn't work with me.



You even misinterpret the things I say and shoot them back at me in an attempt for an argument. The original point was about the action sequences being great. You disagree. And there again, you need to prove in some ways that they aren't great.

There, my point is that it is (in fact) all subjective . But you keep on arguing that there is a way to prove that it isn't. You're a lost cause there Prak. And it's getting a bit pathetic to be honest.

I've been reading this debate, and Hynad, I can't see what you're getting at. Your argument that reviews are subjective, while true to some extent, is terribly flawed if you plan to defend something based on that argument. If you discount the consensus of paid professionals, what you are essentially saying is that everyone's opinions are equally valid, no matter how badly expressed they are.

I'm not saying that professionals don't get it wrong; some do. However, the consensus of professionals is usually right. If they weren't good at giving opinions, nobody would be paying them to do it.

That's not the point. The point is that even professional reviewers don't even give the same marks to the same movies. Some will give a high mark for one given movie, while some others won't be as generous.

And just so you know, in cases where it's mostly based on appreciations, all opinions are valid.



People could argue all day about who is the better artist between Yoshitaka Amano and Mechaelangelo. One is a true genius of expressing mood and feelings, while the other is a near photo-realist genius. But who can pretend to have the right eye to judge exactly who is the best?

Obviously, opinions vary. But they will vary within a certain range. In general, if the majority of reviewers like or dislike something, I'd trust them on it.

So that was my main point. Critics, be it professional or not, are nothing but opinions. I brought that up because of the attempt of Prak to always try to put some kind of fake proofs to back up his views.

So that was my main point. Critics, be it professional or not, are nothing but opinions. I brought that up because of the attempt of Prak to always try to put some kind of fake proofs to back up his views.

It seems we aren't going to agree on this, but I'll try one last time.

Yes, they are opinions. However, they are widely-held opinions. It is an 'opinion' that global warming is caused by human activity but few experts actually deny this. That is because these experts know what they are talking about.

They aren't 'proofs' or facts exactly, but they're the next best thing. The consensus is practically a fact.

Also, Hynad, off-topic I know, but are you still going to be taking part in my FFXII rumble?

Oh but you agreed to me already there Ceidwad.


And the answer to your off-topic question is: from time to time. Lately, I haven't been compelled to do so.

10/10 for persistence Hynad.

you dont score so highly on any other aspects though.

I wonder what kind of points you're trying to get there?

hopefully not penalty points, any more and i lose my driving licence.

:laugh: (not at the situation by way ;-))

I loved Final Fantasy VII Advent Children ^__^. It is one of my favorite films. I wouldn't say I enjoyed it more than the game (because the original stuff is always the best imo), but still worth seeing and I highly reccomend it. I own the Japanese version and the American release. I bought the Japanese version which came with a disc of the FFVII anime Last Order.

i love the FF VII:Advent Children movie!!! i became so emotionally attached to the characters..especially cloud!!

I loved Final Fantasy VII Advent Children ^__^. It is one of my favorite films. I wouldn't say I enjoyed it more than the game (because the original stuff is always the best imo), but still worth seeing and I highly reccomend it. I own the Japanese version and the American release. I bought the Japanese version which came with a disc of the FFVII anime Last Order.


i love the FF VII:Advent Children movie!!! i became so emotionally attached to the characters..especially cloud!!

Major fucking lol at these two.

Yeah, of course, loling to people who enjoyed something you didn't..... Oh but no, it's a machinal and obligatory loling because they love something related to FFVII.

Haha what? Nice try, Hynad, but I happen to be a very big fan of FFVII, just not AC. I've explained why before. It's a really shitty movie in my eyes and I am entitled to laugh at anyone who shows such love for a blatantly horrible piece of work. On the other hand, they are entitled to laugh at me for hating it. I believe freedom of speech goes both ways.

Hell, Ac isn't even horrible in the "so horrible it's actually good" sense. It's just bad.

Now I see why you put an ass as your avatar.

Because I don't try to shove my opinions on other people's faces like you? Hey. Buddy. I may find it ridiculous that anyone could genuinely like AC but if they do, it's their business. I'm content in letting things be.

Man, Hynad, forgive me for not rushing in and saying stuff like "LOL you don't like AC because it's the trend to dislike anything FFVII-related" when someone actually doesn't like the movie, incredible as that may seem to your all-knowing eyes.

You are one gigantic yawn-fest, Hynad.

Huge pile of fail there.

I don't try to shove my opinion into other people's faces. You confound me with Prak there.

You basically rushed in to laugh at other people's faces because they love something you don't. So call that irony, but what you sarcastically quoted is indeed a projected image of what you are doing with these people.

Nice going in generalizing the situation, Hynad. No wonder you are one of the most respected debaters around. Not that it's any of your business but no, I don't laugh at everyone with different tastes than my own. I believe in diversity but.

To my mind, liking AC is preposterous. No matter how much I try, I can't find a single reason to like what I perceive as an extremely inferior product spat out by a condescending company. AC is eye candy and millions loved it. I didn't. Sue me.

Now, if I witness someone saying how much AC rocks and they loved it, yes I will laugh in their faces because I can and feel I am completely justified in doing so. If you don't like this, fine, what do I care? Just don't flip out about it and paint me as the kind of asshole who doesn't respect people's tastes just because you saw me laughing about it. I do, but not when it comes to glorifying such an apparent piece of shit like AC.

I laughed and will laugh again if I see it happening. I acknowledge their right to like it all they want, but I will laugh.

Other then your Rumble, there is not much you do here except laughing at people's faces. So no surprise there. Again.

I acknoledge your right to do that. I will in turn keep on pointing at your shit attitude towards them.

I think some people matures one day and realise that laughing at people that love something you don't is childish, self-centered, and plain rude.

I could understand you laughing at people making really ignorant and silly comments based on biased points of views. But just because they love something you don't? As I said, that's a child's attitude. And as long as you do that, I'll reserve myself the right, as you do for your loling, to point at this backward attitude of yours.

What you, or anyone else here, think of me is really not my concern, in case you failed to grasp that. A child? I can live with that. Some random jerk? I can live with that. So, I really don't think you'll be the one to make me see the light you so righteously shine, Hynad.

But you win, I give up. I haven't the energy to argue this with you. I'll just wait for the next AC lover to supply me with my wicked and cheap laughs, if you don't mind. Feel free to point those out too!

I would only "win" if you'd decide to take a step forward ending this attitude.

But I don't mind either way.



There's a limit to boredom.

Just to chime in here, not that I agree with Hynad's herioc "campaign" to "save" the FFVII fans because they are treated so "unfairly" and it's just plain "sickening" (even though 99.9% of the time, it's a retarded fanboy on the end of the burning stake, and Hynad joins in, and you know this Hynad) But I don't think Riona's or pizza's comments are anything special to laugh about or burn to the stake. The key word is "favourite", they simply said they "love it", yes a little fanboyish/girlish, but I could say I love Kingdom Hearts, and it's one of my favourite games.

Atleast they aren't like most of the other retards in this threads and around the forum who say it's the BEST MOVIE EVER. But to summerise, AC is a pile of shit, thank you.

I think Hynad is developing a fetish for defending the shittiest franchises in the most retarded way possible. First Blue Dragon, then this piece of shit, major fucking lol.

You should have seen the way he bawwed at me obsessively over the Blue Dragon argument. First on MSn, then IRC, then PMs. Holy fucking lol. At least Zulu never pulled a stunt like that.

Have to admit, I find the idea of anyone finding anything about those characters personalities (from the movie alone anyway) to form any kind of deep emotional attachment to pretty hilarious myself.

That's not meant as any kind of personal insult against those who think differently. For me, it's just pretty much the same thing as trying to take people who get emotionally attached to reality tv shows such as Big Brother seriously. I find it impossible.

But then again whatever floats their boat I guess. There's stuff I like I know others would definitely consider crap and rightly so. Everyone has their tastes.

I absolutely Love Advent children, I Became Attached To It:).

Joan: There again, you show you understand nothing.

hows that?...

Not "John", Joan Michelle, AKA Valerie Valens.

Aw, Ok. Thought You Where Reffering too me.

I loved the movie, but hated the game :D. Move was more fast-paced and I liked that. And the characters were normal height too. Big plus for me.

I don't usually like movies like this, based on games, but this is different.

Shrine Cop
Shrine Cop
Whachoo gonna do
Whachoo gonna do
When he comes for you

I'll probably get the "lol you're a joke account" because I'm agreeing with Espanha on this one but Hynad needs a chill pill larger than the one OJ took to breeze through his trial.