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If Sephiroth is the production of an experiment that which qualifies him as an Ancient, then why does he kill Aeris ? She's not the enemy -- If anything, wouldn't she have been an ally to him because they were both of Ancient blood? *confused*

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Aeris was praying (or rather, using the white/HOLY materia) to try to prevent Sephiroth's Meteor (that he summoned via black materia) from smashing into the planet. Since she's against the whole "let's end the world" thing, Sephiroth considered her an enemy and took her life to prevent HOLY from interfering.

If that's not it, then it's because Sephy just doesn't like girls in his Ancients Only Club. :-P

haha, agreed stevo, agreed.

I think it could also be that Jenova hates the true ancients. And if Jenova has control over Sephiroth, or can at least influence his thoughts and actions, she cold have turned him against Aeris.

jenova wasnt an aincent it was a calamity that came from the sky and killed most ancients so how does seppy clasiffy himself as an ancient.

My understanding of it is that back in the times of the Ancients, they called the Meteor to sacrifice themselves so the planet could heal. But some of them hid and did not participate in the sacrifice. Then Jenova came up, and like Ifalna said, she looked like people from the past. What I think is that she materialised from the souls that were sacrificed and came back to get rid of those who were too afraid and selfish to sacrifice themselves for the sake of the planet. The so-called "calamity from the sky" is for me a metaphoric name for Jenova, who was created as a result from the crashing of the first Meteor to hit (the North Crater).

So now Sephiroth only want to finish what the Ancients started.

What made me believe this is the analyse I did from the pictures in the Ancient pyramid (the Black Materia), the videos of Gast and Ifalna, and the explanations Buggenhagen gives us.

Sephiroth and Aeris were both ancients but she choose to not destroy the planet which would have made her sephiroths enemy. Plus the fact she was on Clouds side wouldn't have helped her.

typical good versus evil. there wouldn't be one without the other.

Wow, that's quite possibly the deepest thing someone has ever wrote on this forum.

Seph was just playing around...then he realized that no one brought a phoenix down and played it off like he meant to do it.

He just wanted to show her how much he loved her.

Sephiroth strongly believed that Jenova was the true ruler of the planet and believed that the ancients/Cetra were taking it away from her.

The Shinra fucked him up real bad. Not just that, the books in the basement of the Shinra Mansion that has some missing information that he read for hours drove him that way too.

They fucked him up his asshole.

If that's not it, then it's because Sephy just doesn't like girls in his Ancients Only Club. :-P

omg he might be gay

omg he might be gay

Did you see the way he was looking at Cloud when he burned Nibelheim? I'm sure Sephy was going to say "the fire surrounding you is nothing like the fire inside me" before disappearing into the blaze.

Yeah.. He's totally gay for Cloud. :-P

I totally saw them comparing swords.

Hahahahahaha!!!

I lol'd very loud... That topped my day.

there's also been references to how aeris makes cloud feel better. and how anyone she meets feels warmth from her.

when cloud and sephiroth are battaling in advent children sephiroth asks cloud how he became stronger. and the reason is because he was with aeris again.

so, maybe in ff7 sephiroth new if he killed aeris it would really mess cloud up inside.

Hm... Alright I think I can explain this. I'll break this up into sections.

Spoilers...

Jenova: Known as the "Calamity of the Skies" by the Ancients. A Parasite, Jenova has no real form. It's an entity that travels planet to planet devouring spiritual power until there's nothing left. It fell on FFVII's planet and took the form of a human and killed the majority of the ancients. The few Ancients that survived managed to seal Jenova in the Northern Crater. Years later, scientists managed to find pieces of Jenova's body and experimented with it.

Sephiroth: Person that had Jenova's blood since birth. He's done research and came to the conclusion that Jenova is his mother. There are some theories that say that he was being controlled by Jenova the entire time, but this isn't confirmed as of yet. As for him believing he was ancient, it's not true.

Meteor, the Planet and Lifestream: Meteor would basically crash into the planet wounding it to the point where it would need to heal itself. Lifestream is spiritual energy used to create all living things on the planet. Origin is supposedly from the planet itself. So in order for the planet to heal itself it would need to send out alot of lifestream energy to the area that it was injured. Sephiroth(or Jenova) was planning on being in the center of that injury in order to absorb all of the energy trying to repair the planet.

Aeris: The last true ancient. She can of course talk to the planet and knew of Sephiroth's(Jenova's) plans. She prayed for holy and was killed in the process.


Alrighty... so basically what happened was Sephiroth(under Jenova's control) wanted to take the planet's energy and move onto another planet. This is what Jenova does. But Holy was a problem, so they killed Aeris. Holy was still active but Sephiroth(who's real body was in the northern crater) was blocking holy's power from stopping meteor. So Cloud and co went out to fight Sephiroth. Then of course, Holy was summoned, but it was too late. Meteor was so close to the planet that when Holy came to stop it, Holy was destroying it as well. And then Aeris came with all the people in the lifestream and stopped Meteor and Holy. The End.

So major points...
-Sephiroth isn't Ancient
-Jenova was controlling Sephiroth
-Jenova wanted to destroy the Planet
-Aeris wanted to stop this

omg he might be gay

this flash explains it all check it out
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/64822

and this.... this is just piss funy
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/58184

XD Sephiroth sure does seem gay, doesn't he? Anyway, no, sephiroth is not an ancient. Like the other person said, Jenova was a calamity that fell some time ago, but sephiroth was created (and controlled) much later.

Sephiroth could of been a normal human, but Shinra's Head of Research Hojo used his only son to experiment on by injecting Jenova cells into him before he was born.

Sephiroth was under Shinra as a product keeping most of his information secret to the public until he rebeled at the time of the Nibelheim incident 5 years before the present.

My understanding of it is that back in the times of the Ancients, they called the Meteor to sacrifice themselves so the planet could heal. But some of them hid and did not participate in the sacrifice. Then Jenova came up, and like Ifalna said, she looked like people from the past. What I think is that she materialised from the souls that were sacrificed and came back to get rid of those who were too afraid and selfish to sacrifice themselves for the sake of the planet. The so-called "calamity from the sky" is for me a metaphoric name for Jenova, who was created as a result from the crashing of the first Meteor to hit (the North Crater).

So now Sephiroth only want to finish what the Ancients started.

What made me believe this is the analyse I did from the pictures in the Ancient pyramid (the Black Materia), the videos of Gast and Ifalna, and the explanations Buggenhagen gives us.

Not quit (really not being a dick or anything) See Jenova is an extra terrestrial y'know from outerspace. Now that big crater where sephy is chillin is where jenova hit she then mimiced the life on the planet and mader herself look like a Certa. Then she got close to the ancients and released her virus type of thing and it killed most of the ancients. So then the planet made WEAPON's to defend the Life Stream from the threat (Jenova) Well the ancients managed to seal the "calamity" close to that town by the north crater. Skip forward 2000 years and Gast Hojo and luccrecia find miss jenova.
Gast thinks she is an ancient so he gets this hair up his ass to try and recreat an ancient. Then the whole vincent luccrecia Hojo thing happens. Vince tries to stop it then gets shot. After Hojo experiments on him he goes to sleep like a bitch. Sephy is born he is super dopy and becomes the best of the best. Now Cloud has issues and i am leaving from where i am at so i will continue this later. OH AND SEPHY IS CONTROLLING JENOVA PROMISE READ THE ULTIMANIA GUIDE.

That is only one of the possible interpretations. At least I have the decency of saying that what I typed is MY interpretation. Not a so called attempt at calling everyone off and say they're wrong.

No where in the game is it mentioned that Jenova is an extra terrestrial.
It could be, just as much as my explanation could stand as well.

That is only one of the possible interpretations. At least I have the decency of saying that what I typed is MY interpretation. Not a so called attempt at calling everyone off and say they're wrong.

No where in the game is it mentioned that Jenova is an extra terrestrial.
It could be, just as much as my explanation could stand as well.

K so have you heard of the ultimania guide. It says in there these exact things. I dont make stuff up and i read up on what i am talking about. So yeah its not an interpretation it is fact as told by the creator. Creator>>>>>>>>>>>> you. K with that said do research before you say i am wrong.

So here is the section of the Ultimania Omega guide K.

***Jenova*** (Pages 210-213) (005.1)
An intelligent lifeform from somewhere in space. Approximately 2000 years ago,
it crashlanded at the North Pole ["Knowlespole" in the English localization of
the game] (the vicinity of Icicle Lodge's ["Icicle Inn" in the English
localization] present location), negatively affecting the Planet; it came to
be feared as "the Calamity from the Skies" by the Ancients, who still existed
in great numbers at that time.

Vicious, extremely aggressive and cunning. Having no thoughts of creating
anything following bringing destruction, it only follows its instincts to
incite ruin, utilizing its mimic ability (-->P.211) to infect other living
organisms with its virus. In addition, due to its abnormal resilence, even if
dismembered, its cells will call out to one another, seeking to reunite into
their original form (-->Reunion/P.211).

The scar Jenova's landing left on the Planet remains even to the present day,
being now known as "the Northern Crater."

(Accompanying screenshot caption)
The parts that are seperated from the main body are still able to function as
extensions. That is what those monsters called "Jenova" are that Cloud and
company fight during the journey.

This Ultimania guide was written without the thoughts and comments from the original story creator, Hironobu Sakaguchi. He didn't take any part in it.

This Ultimania guide was written without the thoughts and comments from the original story creator, Hironobu Sakaguchi. He didn't take any part in it.

That is really cool too. But you see i dont care if some guy who didnt write the scenerios (Yoshinori Kitase,Kazushige Nojima ) didnt create the charecters (Nomura). Now who could tell you more about the charecters the one who made the charected made their dialog and made their attitude or somone who manages the people.


K here is an example. Your computer is broken and you take it to a tech right 90% of the time the guy who is in charge of the tech ie. business manager does not know how to fix a computer but the tech does. You see the person who "created" (in your words) Did not create the charecters in which the guide explains. Nomura created the charecter and he is quoted many many times in that book. And as far as the story that would be Kitase you know writing the situations you get into would be a scenerio. So Nomura = charecters and Kitase = Story. Hironobu Sakaguchi = supervisor
K research your answer befor telling me i am wrong. And with that said Ronald Walter Reagan is the devil (Ronald) (Walter) (Reagan)
6 = 6 = 6

Oh and on top of that Hironobu Sakaguchi is a director not the story creator BIG DIFFERENCE.

Go read the credits for Final Fantasy VII again. You say you read your stuff before talking about them? Then go back to your books.

Go read the credits for Final Fantasy VII again. You say you read your stuff before talking about them? Then go back to your books.

Oh my bad i did say director huh. oops. But the PRODUCER does not write the story that would be the scenerio writer and directer. ( i really did mess my whole argument up with one wrong word dam) K but what i meant to say was the Producer is not the one who writes the story. The producer is:

Today, the role of a video game producer may include all of the responsibilities of a television, movie, or record producer, plus a lot more. Indeed, interactive entertainment includes many aspects and challenges not faced by traditional movie, television, or record producers—for example, finding ways to include new rendering technology or the ideal set of game-development tools for specific product type; devising ways to ensure that the core compelling gameplay is clearly focused, communicated by the Design team, and included into the game's development; or ensuring that a highly addictive and compelling entertainment experience is outlined in the design documentation.

K are you understanding yet that Producer does not mean Creator
Producer=/= creator.

You come in i was telling you what the owners of the rights to the game said (Squarenix) now i dont care if the producer was to lazy to lend some time but see he really isnt needed since he didnt make the charecters or the story or the dialog or etc...

"Square has provided explanations for other details of the game's plot with the publication of the Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Ω guidebook." Now look at the first 3 word of the quote and tell me who owns the game and i bet you will find that they are one and the same.

K now we cleared that up. If square decides to make ffX and FFVII the same universe and have very very subtle connections that make very little to no sence we still have to believe it cause its their story. Squarenix>>>>>>>your pwnd ass.

Can't do your homework yourself?

In the credits: Based on the story by Hironobu Sakaguchi and Tetsuya Nomura.

K the story's creation was looked over by a supervisor who do you think that is. K square created the story too and OWN the story they can change the canon or tell us how to see it since they have the right to do so. And again Squarenix>>>>> your pwnd ass.

You see if square decides many many years later that FFT and FF12 are the same world they can say that Lavos is the less evolved version of JIenova if they want and we will have to believe it since they creat the evidence the can prove it easily. That is what i have been trying to say the original game isnt by itself anymore so its not interpritation its fact. Then by you logic Tetsuya Nomura has just as much right as Hironobu Sakaguchi to tell us what is going on since they are both the crators right or wrong.

Am i not making myself clear on my meaning or do you not understand production i did look at your profile it says you are an illistrator right. Now lets pretend you draw some type of charecter and when you draw him you creat him right s/he is your creation. So you know what type of person they are and how they are meant to be devoloped right. That example if just if you actually enjoy your job and not just drawing generic anime Like every other geek.

Hey man get a gamefaq account and talk to VINCON i dare you he will tear you shit up. This guy is the video game geek way more that you i mean not only is he extremely interested (like you) he also pays attention (unlike you)

You are such a cuntish moron it isnt even funny.

elaborate please. If what i have said isnt fact then tell me the facts. Not you opinions.

haha
It just figures that I'd accidentally look in on this god-awful excuse for a thread and see some noobish fancunt with horrible grammar/spelling ranting about things he obviously knows less about than me, someone who detests the fucking game.

You want facts? read my previous post.

Voltron dude who you talking to. And i see you said "In the credits: Based on the story by Hironobu Sakaguchi and Tetsuya Nomura." So Nomura has a right to state the facts.

Sqare OWNS it so they can change canon. Squere hired the guys who wrote the story. Square sold the story to us. Square marketed it. Square is in charge of the whole production.

From what i am seeing you are getting mad that i am making points i have not called you a cunt and have not hated that much. K maybe a little but stil that is not the point that you are missing. SQUARE OWNS THE GAME, OWNS THE STORY, AND OWNED YOUR ASS WITH THE ULTIMANIA OMEGA GUIDE. I am not interptiting shit i am reading facts by OFFICIAL sources.
Official soures are better than fanfic like you preach. Also if Jenova is a calamity that fell from the sky here is a good hint at alien.

Nomura created the charecters right. Charecter design Tetsuya Nomura.

So Nomura created the charecters right. Simple yes or no.

haha
It just figures that I'd accidentally look in on this god-awful excuse for a thread and see some noobish fancunt with horrible grammar/spelling ranting about things he obviously knows less about than me, someone who detests the fucking game.


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Nomura's character designs refer to the artwork, moron. He didn't design anything other than their appearance, exactly the same as Amano before him.

Moron huh if the story is co-created by Nomura. The design is Nomura. And the scenerio writer is Kitase. right and all these people are in the ultimania guide. All that aside the book is official release of Square right. P.S. Moron is a strong word from a person who did not answer the simple question. Yes/No

You could add you 2 cents when you answer the question not to mention this is a debate between moogle bob up there.

You never asked me a question, you cuntish fool.

Is that the thing here cunt i mean i see everybody say that you cant come up with somthing better. You blistering thunder cunt. See you still have cunt in there so you geek mongers can be happy right. And Prak and Hynad

1. Did Nomura do the charector design. Y/N
2. Doesnt an official guide made by the people who OWN the game itself make it true. Cause in a sence square is the GOD of all Final Fantasy universe. So if they decide to do something stupid like make ff7 and ff10 related then its there right not y'alls k. Official>your opinion.

Next time i get called a cunt i will take it as a compliment since you all call everybody cunt and are very unimagintive. And Hynad you are a "artist" of sorts i would think you could come up with somthing more creative unless you really do just draw generic femme men anime style and jack off to them. And if you are a chick that makes you a lesbian and if you are a male you are gay just cause it looks like a chick man thing dosnt make it any less HOMO.

Bilstering Thunder Cunt
Pus infected nipple drip
Donkey raping shit eater (South Park)
Big Floppy Donkey Dick Eater.

These are at least somwhat creative insults.

Do your homework and do some back tracking through time if you can manage to do so. Considering the game is more than a decade old, I doubt you'll be able to do that, but who knows.
There are video interviews you can track down that show Nomura talk about the original script writen by Sakaguchi. He mentions how he got in the story process and he explains the stuff that he added at the time.

Also, if you can manage to dig deep enough in the past, you'll find some stuff that will show you how Sakaguchi was really not pleased by what they were going to do (at the time) with FF VII and how he thought making spin offs of the original game would end up ruining his vision.

You say you like to read. It's really strange then that you don't even know these facts. But it is easy to understand how you could be so ignorant if all you know about the FF franchise is what came from the Nomura era.

Also, the God of something can only be its creator. So here, you cuntish fucktard, Final Fantasy's God is Hironobu Sakaguchi.

Cunts must earn the right to be insulted creatively. I don't waste the good ones on people who don't deserve it.

Do your homework and do some back tracking through time if you can manage to do so. Considering the game is more than a decade old, I doubt you'll be able to do that, but who knows.
There are video interviews you can track down that show Nomura talk about the original script writen by Sakaguchi. He mentions how he got in the story process and he explains the stuff that he added at the time.

Also, if you can manage to dig deep enough in the past, you'll find some stuff that will show you how Sakaguchi was really not pleased by what they were going to do (at the time) with FF VII and how he thought making spin offs of the original game would end up ruining his vision.

You say you like to read. It's really strange then that you don't even know these facts. But it is easy to understand how you could be so ignorant if all you know about the FF franchise is what came from the Nomura era.

Also, the God of something can only be its creator. So here, you cuntish fucktard, Final Fantasy's God is Hironobu Sakaguchi.


K you are missing my point Square can do what ever the hell it wants with FF7 i mean they own it.
If they want Jenova as an alien then its and alien i didnt make it so Square did and you know why cause they want money and they can.
That does not change the fact the the story has been retconed (y'know changed) to be how square wants it.
Now that is cool i did not know that the Producer did not want it that way i will concede defeat in that aspect of my argument.
I apologize for being wrong about that. But that does not change the fact that Ultamania is The word of Square (sorry bad pun) and the game would have never been created without square so yes they did not write the story and i guess they are not GOD of FF7 they are God's boss.

Cuntish huh just cause you have to take your nasal medicine and wipe the sweat off of your recently masterbating hands before you talk to a bitch dont take you sexual frustration out on me.

That's the thing. I don't care what Square Enix are doing now. I care about what they were doing back then. And I follow and seek authenticity in everything.

What Square-Enix is doing right now is milking FF 7 like there's no tomorrow.
I don't give a shit about what those suckers are doing right now. I cared about what the original vision was. It changed because they wanted to revive FF7 because for some reasons, it is the most popular title in the series. It doesn't change the fact that originally, the game was NOT supposed to have any sequels or spin offs and had everything in itself for the players to come up with THEIR OWN reflexions.

also: I will stop calling you a cunt when you'll stop acting like one.

PRAK i would like to say i was not debating with you and i am sorry you feel offended by my stating fact from Square. And moogle dude I started playing when FF2/4 came out i was fucking like 6 or so. Plus this game came out when i was ten k i didnt quite get it with the shit translations so yeah when i did get around to playing it again like 2 years ago i did read the Ultimania so i could understand all of the badly translated plot holes.

And just for shits and giggles. These guy are sick.

Alright this debate is goint nowhere cause we are pissed at each other look i am will to say sorry for acting like a cunt if you can say sorry for calling me a cunt before you even knew my source. It is official that is the story. Whether it is a retcon or original the story has changed quit living in the past.
If you think the original way that was not said is correct go ahead and believe opinions. But this is the same the people who Drew the first maps were wrong the would is not flat right. That is what they were doing back then thinking the world was flat and the center of the univers. (I know diff time frames but not by much) Someone changed their mind (after he was imprisoned and died but still) In this case the people who the Producer "created" (I am still doing research on this so i will not say your wrong cause i have no deffintive proof) the story for want to change it. It is theirs not his anymore. If Square wants to make a game FF7-2 where Aerith is still alive tifa died and crack rains from the sky its their choice stupid as it may be.

Hey man get a gamefaq account and talk to VINCON i dare you he will tear you shit up. This guy is the video game geek way more that you i mean not only is he extremely interested (like you) he also pays attention (unlike you)

No, you drag him here and debate in this topic. it is up to you to do the legwork in galvanizing your arguments, which you are failing miserably at BTW.

he wanted a wolf-lined coat.

Stop talking about that damn wolf.

Stop talking about that damn wolf.

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