http://www.petitiononline.com/nomoff7/petition.html

Sign this if you never want to see Square-Enix make a remake of the game (or anymore spinoffs / movies) and would rather they focus their efforts elsewhere.

Sign'd. :smrt:

Brilliant idea, I might add. Why wasn't it thought of sooner?

Sign'd. :smrt:

Brilliant idea, I might add. Why wasn't it thought of sooner?

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I have a feeling though that the this petition won't be able get this more than a couple hundred signatures.

I read it (no I didn't)
I signed it. (yes I did)

Signed.

Signed, for whatever worth and gravity it has.

Signed, just to spite all the useless fanboys

Signed, because an FF7 remake would be stupid, to be frank.

Signed, just to spite all the useless fanboys

Signed, just to spite all the useless fanboys
Seriously, that is the only reason why I signed the damn petition. I don't mind remakes, but Final Fantasy has been milked for all it's worth. Time to put the focus on other project(s).

Signed because sequels or remakes, can turn a mediocre title into a hated title. FF7 case in point.

Based on the reasons SquareEnix is making spinoffs for this game, I have to sign it.
It's not for the love of the game...but for the money from the game.

Games made with no passion are not games! They are "products".

Woulda signed it, but don`t really care either way.

I'm not going to sign it because I'm genuinely curious to see how far Square-Enix goes with a remake.

If they just stick to upping the graphics and making the game look prettier then I would be somewhat disappointed, all to often in both films and games, plot, character development, and substance have been pushed aside for fancy graphics, which, seen for the first time, make you go oh wow, look at that, but then, when the excitement has died down you realise that there was nothing else.

Now if Square decide to improve the plot (without going too far away from the original plot line) improve the characters (maybe give each character a skill set so that each has something very different to offer a party) and fix other minor bugs, like the limit break over-riding the regular attack for example, as well as improving the graphics then I am all for a remake

Kemtach --- given the way things have gone, which of those do you think is actually likely?

Unfortunately I am forced to concede that the most likely of the two scenarios is the least favourable one (for gamers), still I have to hope that Square realise the potential they have in their hands and don't screw it up....but I'm not holding my breath

Is that Kenshin Himura on your avatar?

Also:
good point! but I signed it.

Seeing Squeenix's track record of late, they're not going to actually take time and effort (and money) into "properly" rereleasing games--heck, they didn't even bother to fix some of FFVI's bugs for the psx rerelease. Not to mention the hideous loading times and laggy animations in places.

I signed it, more for the first point than the second. Never is such a strong word, especially when put in asterisks. Maybe no other spin-offs in the next, say, 50 years, but it wasn't such an awful game as everybody says it is. If they do remake it, though, it should be to bring it to fans in the next generation, not to make another million dollars.

Seeing as the whole point of bringing new fans in is to make more money, you don't have much of a point there. The issue isn't the quality of the older games. I don't want any remakes of any more FF's, because 1) Squeenix half-assed the last batch of remakes, and 2) I'd rather see new stuff out, perhaps with a bit of innovation for a change.

Yeah, I re-read my post, and didn't make much sense. I still stick to my contention that FFVII (the original ftr) is by no means the worst RPG ever made, or even the worst FF game ever made. It's been milked for far more than it's worth by Square is all. I totally agree with your points.

I know fully well FFVII isn't the worst FF, let alone the worse cRPG ever made. However, I'm sure Squeenix wouldn't have milked it so badly if many folks had put the game in a more realistic place, as opposed to the stupid pedestal it's on now. If it weren't for all the FFVII spinoffs and sequels and all that nonsense, we might've seen FFXII up to a year sooner than we did.

On a semi-related note, I read somewhere that Nomura said that Cloud was a big influence on his design of FFXIII's lead--seeing as they're making at least three FFXIII games, it seems to me as if Squeenix is looking to cash in on the FFVII fankids again. I wonder if they'll learn their lesson?

Regardless of what you think of the game they seem to be doing very well off it. I dont see any problem with the game influencing some things in the new ones and as long as they sell neither do they.

Yeah, it makes perfect business sense. Squeenix has a cash cow--they'd be stupid not to milk it. What I meant was "I wonder if the FFVII fan(atic)s will learn their lesson." By that I mean the letdowns that were AC and DoC. Neither one were very good by any means.

Well its hard to make a film thats as good as the original game because its much much shorter and not as enjoyable. Havent played Doc but rumors are that its not great. I'll have to see for my self though.

I'd like a remake but no crappy spin offs so I signed it anyway.

Well its hard to make a film thats as good as the original game because its much much shorter and not as enjoyable. Havent played Doc but rumors are that its not great. I'll have to see for my self though.

Rumors can only go so far. If only the die-hard FFVII fanatics who worship everything with the title on it regardless of quality say that the game is good, then it is certainly poor. If you buy the game to try it out, you're lining the pockets of people who rush out inferior products to cash in on the stupidity of people who buy utter garbage based on nothing more than a name and encouraging Square-Enix to treat you and the rest of their customers like fools in the future.

DoC didn't do very well in Japan, and since it's the first of the console spinoffs (spinoffs that were actually games) that we received, then people may have went to buy it because they don't know what exactly to expect. Now people've seen it, though. If they're going to release a second spinoff, it's most likely that it won't do as well.

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Plus, I bought the game myself because I was curious about how bad it really was...
People put so much news about it everywhere! If they didn't, I might not even have noticed it released and wouldn't have bought it....>>

Think of the whole new era of fanboys a re-make would spawn...(shudder)

I figure the first one probably flushed a good 30 IQ points out of the gaming community's average. The thought of it happening again is a nightmare.

Rumors can only go so far. If only the die-hard FFVII fanatics who worship everything with the title on it regardless of quality say that the game is good, then it is certainly poor. If you buy the game to try it out, you're lining the pockets of people who rush out inferior products to cash in on the stupidity of people who buy utter garbage based on nothing more than a name and encouraging Square-Enix to treat you and the rest of their customers like fools in the future.

Well id rather see for myself if its good or not. I play games for enjoyment, I wouldn't care if Hitler made the game id still probably try it out.

That's all well and good. I'm not telling you to not be a fool. Just pointing out that you are one if you buy it, knowing that it's a poor game.

I said ive heard that its not a good game but id rather play it and see for myself. Just because some people say its bad doesnt mean I might not like it.

If it were only that it were people are saying its bad, I could understand. But why would anyone want to play a game that's focused on a character as awful and boring as Vincent Valentine?

That's your opinion.

I liked Vincent Valentine.

The one I heartilly disliked was Yuffie.

I thought this thread was about the FF7 remake...or discussion changed,cause I didnt bother reading any of this,lol

I said ive heard that its not a good game but id rather play it and see for myself. Just because some people say its bad doesnt mean I might not like it.

go and rent it, you'll beat it in one sitting if you're a half-decent gamer
then come back and tell us what you think

That's your opinion.

No, that's a fact. Whether you liked the character or not, it is still a flat, under-developed, stereotypical waste of polygons.

If it were only that it were people are saying its bad, I could understand. But why would anyone want to play a game that's focused on a character as awful and boring as Vincent Valentine?

Words like "awful" and "boring", by their connotation and nature, are subjective.

When Darkiss says, "That's your opinion", that's saying that they feel differently about it, and would use different words to describe the character as opposed to what Agent0042 used. They were answering the question: "Why would anyone want to play a game that's focused on a character as awful and boring as Vincent Valentine"? With "Because I don't feel Vincent Valentine is awful and boring".

Just as you can't argue against fact with opinion, you can't argue against opinion with fact.

You can always argue against opinions with facts. That is because facts are immutable, whereas opinions are merely distorted versions of facts based on personal perception. Of course, many do not recognize this simple and obvious fact, but that is their own failing for misunderstanding the relevant dichotomy.

An opinion isn't based on Logic at all. Facts are...
They aren't compatible...

That's why it feels annoying and unnecessary when people argue against opinions with fact. "I love this!" "Logically, it is a piece of shit" "Why should that matter to me?" "Because it's a fact"
But what the person said wasn't a fact in the first place. When people say "This is the best game in the world!" if you ask them if they think it's a fact, then you have a basis for argument. But if they tell you it's their opinion, then there isn't a reason to argue against them with fact.

But terms like best and worst imply a universal standard. Favorite and least favorite are personal terms that can be used in a factual sense.

If I said "Baldur's Gate is the best game ever," I would be mistaken. Facts can prove that much. If I say "Baldur's Gate is my favorite game ever," that is a fact, not an opinion. It can also be a lie, but we'll discount that possibility for purposes of this discussion.

Mm, that's true, too--something being one's opinion can be a fact.

The thing is...
When people say things like "Baldur's Gate is the best game ever", they may actually be meaning the second thing you said. "It's the best game ever (in my experience)".
What's important really...aren't the words that come out of peoples' mouths.
It's what they are actually trying to say.

What people say and what meaning they want to convey can be totally different. Presentation is 99/100 of communication.

If their command of the language is THAT poor, then they deserve to have their words taken "the wrong way".

What people say and what meaning they want to convey can be totally different. Presentation is 99/100 of communication.

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Scientific studies say the opposite.
Words are just a small fraction of our meaning...
A lot of how we understand each other in the real world is lost over the internet (such as tone, gestures, facial expressions, etc.). The way we can try to compensate for that is through careful word choice (word connotation), and maybe emoticons....
But a lot is missing on line.


If their command of the language is THAT poor, then they deserve to have their words taken "the wrong way".
I think it's good to let them know that it's difficult to understand them....
I mean...some people like that ANNOY me, too.
But I don't think it's necessary to really rub it in, either....

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Scientific studies say the opposite.
Words are just a small fraction of our meaning...
A lot of how we understand each other in the real world is lost over the internet (such as tone, gestures, facial expressions, etc.). The way we can try to compensate for that is through careful word choice (word connotation), and maybe emoticons....
But a lot is missing on line.

You dodged around my point and made one that's totally unrelated. I said that presentation if 99% of communication. I made no mention of the meanings behind the spoken words because they are only communicated if presented properly, which only heightens the relevance of my own point.

Oh....
So you were saying that presentation is 99/100 of what people understand from it?
XP If that's the case, of course I agree!

It's just...what people understand from it can be varying fractions of what people wish to convey.
And when people speak, they really wish to be replied to about what they wanted to convey, not what was understood by the other. (Just like what happened just now with your comment...I misread it and understood it differently. But you wanted me to comment on what you really meant--not what I got from it.)

Ah!!...I need to go to class now...><
I'll be back! >>

go and rent it, you'll beat it in one sitting if you're a half-decent gamer
then come back and tell us what you think

Im already in enough trouble with the local video shop as it is.:p I'll probably buy it eventually. Im not going to rush out and buy it but i'll play it eventually.

I actually havent looked at anything regarding this game. Did it get bad reviews or what?

Its reviews have been nothing short of dismal. Not exactly dire, but certainly dismal. Its average rating is something like a 5/10. The concensus of almost all reviewers (excepting the most hardcore fans who were determined to like the game at all costs simply because it has the FFVII label) is that the game is poor on its own merits as a shooter and a stain on the franchise it borrows from.

Bad reviews? Dear me. I thought that they had to give them good reviews so they wouldnt piss off the creators and lose advertising. Isnt that why FF7 got good reviews?

Exaggeration can only go so far.

Argh, in terms of the series of FF VII-related releases, I need to play DoC so that I can make a better judgement call on this one. Because seriously, if they updated FF VII (and not slapped a piss ridiculous price-tag on it/updated more than just graphics), I'd be for it.

But, if they're gonna make like previous remakes, then they can screw themselves.

...Then again, IMO, remakes is all they've got in terms of FF for me.

Yeah, they're not going to lose advertising for saying that
Dirge of Cerberus is crap because, well, it's crap. GamePRO trashed it and there were still at three different Final Fantasy advertisements in their most recent issue --- Final Fantasy III, Final Fantasy V Advanced and Final Fantasy XII. I think there may have even been an ad for DoC itself.


Oh, and here's some facts. Vincent Valentine had an underdeveloped story. Vincent Valentine also had an ultimate weapon that was annoying difficult to power-up in battle and limit breaks that often hindered your progress in battle instead of helped.

Yuffie, on the other hand, actually had a fairly well-developed plot for an optional character. She was also one of the few characters in the game possessed of a truly interesting and exciting spark and energy. She had truly useful limit breaks and an ultimate weapon that not only easily did 9999 damage, but was also by for the most useful for Morphing.


If any character from FFVII deserved her own spin-off game, it was Yuffie. But hey, at least she got to be in Kingdom Hearts.

Argh, in terms of the series of FF VII-related releases, I need to play DoC so that I can make a better judgement call on this one. Because seriously, if they updated FF VII (and not slapped a piss ridiculous price-tag on it/updated more than just graphics), I'd be for it.

But, if they're gonna make like previous remakes, then they can screw themselves.

...Then again, IMO, remakes is all they've got in terms of FF for me.

rent it...it's cheaper, and you'll beat it way before the return date

maybe that was some of their reasoning for making a game of vincent,because he was under-developed.perhaps they wanted to expand on his character.

Well, in that case... Fail.

Well, in that case... Fail.

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maybe that was some of their reasoning for making a game of vincent,because he was under-developed.perhaps they wanted to expand on his character.


That's what I wanted to believe too.
Since Vincent is so involved with ShinRa, Hojo and all the main plot components, I thought that he had much to offer.
Too bad that the game is so mediocre.

I wasn't fairly impressed with VII, I enjoyed VIII A lot more. *sigh.*....But this petition would only go far...

maybe that was some of their reasoning for making a game of vincent,because he was under-developed.perhaps they wanted to expand on his character.

Think of it logicaly. Square can't make a spin-off game for every under-developed character. I see absolutely no reason why Vincent should recieve any sort of special treatement just because he was featured in VII and had a gun.

Think of it logicaly. Square can't make a spin-off game for every under-developed character. I see absolutely no reason why Vincent should recieve any sort of special treatement just because he was featured in VII and had a gun.

Fanservice?

I guess they didn't know it would backfire...

The Moogle and Yeti in VI were terribly under-developed. I don't see a spin-off for them. And the Yeti had a bone club.

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That's true!!

Bone clubs are cool! People should see that....
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It's not fair....Just cause Vincent looks like a Vampire, he's automatically cool.
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they just needed someone who looked gay enough to fit in with Gackt's genre, that's all

they just needed someone who looked gay enough to fit in with Gackt's genre, that's all

ROFL

Oh, and the comment about looking like a vampire automatically being cool, I wouldn't put it past some people...

Anyways, is DoC really that short?