ive heard he lives and some say he dies becouse he's over 1 year old
p.s. i think he dies what you think

Well it doesn't really clarify it in the ending or anything, but there are a bunch of little Vivi's running around town.

And not only are there a bunch of little Vivi's running around town, not one of them is actually Vivi himself. You'd think that with every other major character (and some of the minor ones -- lani, Fratley, Cid, etc.), they'd show someone as important as Vivi if he were alive.

kurohime u've replied to everyone of my post so far thanks for helping me out :)

look closer. they do show vivi in the ending sequence, with the little vivis.
he lives. in my opinion though: worst. ff ending. ever.

worst. ff ending. ever.

I can't help but snigger at that when the person who wrote that has a Vincent sig and a SquallxRinoa avatar. But to make this post more than just a potshot, I'd really like to hear what makes FFIX's ending so inferior to endings like, oh, FFVII and FFVIII.

i just thought it left me thinking "yeah so zidane gets together with dagger and everyones happy... and?"
i never got the feeling that the world was in danger so it kind of took away the whole "yay we saved the world" feeling.

also, please explain the comment about my avatar and signature. and what they have to do with me not liking the ffix ending much.

they do show vivi in the ending sequence, with the little vivis.

*rolls eyes*

Correction. They show a bunch of "little" Vivi's.

Everyone else is VERY DISTINCTLY SHOWN. Zidane, Dagger, Steiner, Beatrix, Freya, Fratley, Quina, Amarant, Lani, Eiko, Cid, HILDA, Puck, too, fer God's sake. It's made obvious what became of each person, except for Vivi. So again, becuase I SO like repeating myself, Vivi, who was the backbone and one of the main three characters of FF9, was never CLEARLY shown.

That last monologue is all Vivi speaking. Why would he say "farewell" to all of his friends, and then not show up to this big event when everyone else did.


As for you opinion about FF9's ending...? I'm trying very hard not to giggle.

I just assumed that Vivi had died; his last words were "my memories will be part of the sky". Although, you can't know for sure, since he could have been among his sons at the end; they looked exactly like him.

As for IX's ending, I loved it. It's the only FF ending I've actually seen, but I still thought it was rather touching. Seeing Zidane under the cloak was priceless.

One of the best endings that ive seen.

Although how long did it take for him to get back from Iifa?

garnets hair had grown long again and which takes weeks? months? Nevermind eh?

what everyone else think :P

That last monologue is all Vivi speaking. Why would he say "farewell" to all of his friends, and then not show up to this big event when everyone else did.



i must have been day dreaming to not pick up that whole thing.
my mistake. maybe im biased about this ending just because i never liked zidanes character.
great game though.

why does it show a folder with paper coming out beside this post when i only made it like 2 days ago??

They should do Vivi's dead more obvious.

>:O

yea

Was Vivi not different to the other mages i.e. He has a longer lifespan

AT THe end it you think it would at least show him

Did you read this thread in its entireity

i jsut posted i havn't read what others said

Well do try and read before you post otherwise you look like a prick. Your honesty saved you there BTW.

ok i just read the whole thing but i don't see how ied look like a prick if i did read it after all a prick means a gay guy and that dosn't fit me im not gay or a guy

LOL, You should STFU you're making it worse on yourself

Well it makes you look like you've not read the topic.

They should do Vivi's dead more obvious.

>:O

No.

Even if his dead isn't 100% cleared at the end, it IS clear to assume that.

And this way, it's actually so much better than bluntly mentionting it that Vivi actually died. ;(

how meny post fit on 1 page

Seeing as his main problem was about dying ever since he visited the Black Mage Forest, I think it does imply he died.

The truth is, Vivi didn't die. He just got a new contract... and got Magically Whisked Away into Kingdom Hearts.

...where they pretty much bastardized him, but seeing as he's the only FF9 character to appear in any of the three games, I was just happy he was there at all. :P

The truth is, Vivi didn't die. He just got a new contract... and got Magically Whisked Away into Kingdom Hearts.

...where they pretty much bastardized him, but seeing as he's the only FF9 character to appear in any of the three games, I was just happy he was there at all. :P

He looks so much more kinkyer in KH o_o

Vivi can't die! He PWNS everyone, even death.

No.

Even if his dead isn't 100% cleared at the end, it IS clear to assume that.

And this way, it's actually so much better than bluntly mentionting it that Vivi actually died. ;(

Thank you. Making it obvious would kill the effect. As it stands, it was quite touching.


The truth is, Vivi didn't die. He just got a new contract... and got Magically Whisked Away into Kingdom Hearts.

:laugh:

I can't help but snigger at that when the person who wrote that has a Vincent sig and a SquallxRinoa avatar. But to make this post more than just a potshot, I'd really like to hear what makes FFIX's ending so inferior to endings like, oh, FFVII and FFVIII.

because FF8's ending kicks ass

what is ff8's ending

yay i just watched the ending and vivi dies ya dumshit

Lol, I havent seen FF8 ending either. (Stuck on Ultimecia) but thats beside the topic.or this area of the forums. I havent seen the ending for 6 months so i cant really remember... I didnt even remember the ending featured vivi... all i remember is the scenes with garnet zidane steiner and beatrix. (say no more incase someone hasnt beaten the game)

just mabie one of those lil guys in the back is vivi i dought it tho

N00B infestation, calling Prak, calling Prak.

The ending doesn't really clarify anything concerning Vivi's death. I think it is up to oneself to decide what you need to believe.

thats deep man

The ending doesn't really clarify anything concerning Vivi's death. I think it is up to oneself to decide what you need to believe.
black paladin what u eman by calling prak?

I think it's good they don't show anything about Vivi. I mean if they just put in the fact that he's dead, It'd just totally ruin the happy ending. As for the person who said FF9's ending sucked, sorry if you were hoping for more of a sadistic, unhappy ending, but there are some people who actually like "happily ever afters"! >_<

Ditto. With a story like FF9, I also think a "happily every after" ending was more appropriate for the entire flavor of the story, too. Even though there was a lot of death and misery that happened, the basic idea was that people found ways to carry on and live with the tragedies that happened, and come out stronger on the other side.

And let's face it, sometimes there are characters that really deserve happy endings. ;)

N00B infestation, calling Prak, calling Prak.

Sorry, but I'm not touching this one. It was a lame thread to begin with and never had any chance of being decent, so I honestly don't give a damn how badly they shit it up.

Ditto. With a story like FF9, I also think a "happily every after" ending was more appropriate for the entire flavor of the story, too. Even though there was a lot of death and misery that happened, the basic idea was that people found ways to carry on and live with the tragedies that happened, and come out stronger on the other side.

And let's face it, sometimes there are characters that really deserve happy endings. ;)

Yeah I completely agree with you there. I mean if it just showed Dagger saying her goodbyes, and no happy reunion, people would still complain. So you can't really win >_< Lol.

Was Vivi not different to the other mages i.e. He has a longer lifespan

I read somewhere that Vivi was about 10 years old. He was different from the other black mages, but he was created and his time had to come. We also don't know how much time passed between The Iifa Tree and the reunion. vivi could have lived for a while.

I was going to post something thoughtful here but lately I have been getting flamed by all the newer members because they cannot take a joke.

Plus, I can only handle so many Onion Kids in one thread.

post anyway

Only if you let his HP go to 0. *runs away*

I was going to post something thoughtful here but lately I have been getting flamed by all the newer members because they cannot take a joke.

Plus, I can only handle so many Onion Kids in one thread.

I felt much the same way.

anyone think this is getting off topic
down the line mabie just mabie thoguh ti don't really bielieve this its possible that

what if vivi couldn't make it to the play but since i hasn't seen anyone in a logn time he write the letter in case he stopped or died befor he saw everyone again

Only if you let his HP go to 0. *runs away*

Thank you for proving my point.

Aww, post anyway Joey! It's nice to see something isightful/semi-intelligent/containing proper spelling every once in a while on this thread. >)

I know my grammer blows but is my spellign really that bad

Yes. Yes it is.

well it's crappy but not the worst
right?

Wrong.

The truth is, Vivi didn't die. He just got a new contract... and got Magically Whisked Away into Kingdom Hearts.

...where they pretty much bastardized him, but seeing as he's the only FF9 character to appear in any of the three games, I was just happy he was there at all. :P


That last monologue is all Vivi speaking. Why would he say "farewell" to all of his friends, and then not show up to this big event when everyone else did.


Indubitably. (and I know the first comment is meant as a joke as valid as it is)


I think it's good they don't show anything about Vivi. I mean if they just put in the fact that he's dead, It'd just totally ruin the happy ending.

Would've been something if he did and they made a gravestone for him though. Stopping wasn't all that depressing through the Black Mage Villagers' eyes.

I know my grammer blows but is my spellign really that bad

Judge for yourself. ;-)

*sigh* ok im nto anywear near perfect but i try ok people lets get back on topic

*sigh* ok im nto anywear near perfect but i try ok people lets get back on topic


fine u guys do what ever you want. I'm quiting these fourms you guys are all assholes so don't bother respawnding to this post (not the thread jsut hte post)

I thought you had quit these forums because we were all assholes? ;-)

PS. In spite of backhanding you just then, I think you could be a decent poster here. Problem is that if you give posters on here any ammunition to take the piss they will use it gladly. I personally think they shouldn't, but to be fair if you're going to come on here, post messages with the grammar and spelling of a three year old, then get in a strop and threaten to leave when people start a bit of light bashing, you're asking for it a bit.

PPS I'm not posting this to have a dig at you, just giving you some advice.

Saying he's going to leave isn't a threat. It's dangling a sign that there may yet be hope in this world in front of our faces, then yanking it away when he returns.

I think I cried when Zidane called out to Garnet at the end.....I was young though haha.

Was Vivi not different to the other mages i.e. He has a longer lifespan

Vivi was accidentally made to powerful, which made him live longer. I bought the game again and am beating it again for old times sake.. I'll tell ya what I think when I do.. I gott dirge of cerberus and ff8 and ff12 now to to mess with whem I'm bored off ffxi online lol.. so theres no telling when I'll actually finish it. But I'm very close. I have all the ultimate weapons and all kinds of stuff, but i want lv 99 and to kill that mega boos that drops the dark matter or w/e it is that maximises odins summon power before I beat it.. Leave no stone unturned is my philosophy.. I can't say any ending displeased me more than ffx-2 though.. borrriinnnggg... was nice tidus kind of popped up but still, even that to me was just to easy for them to come up with.. 9 had a very solid story with nice CG.. I can't complain, even playing it rigt now it still looks nice, just don't try to play it on a high def TV lol.. looks like a bunch of squares makin luv :p

I could've sworn when I watched that ending...everytime...that Vivi was there. Not with all the other little Vivi's but at the end when Garnet and Zidane are together again and everyone starts clapping isn't Vivi right there clapping beside Amarant and Freya?

Vivi was accidentally made to powerful, which made him live longer. I bought the game again and am beating it again for old times sake.. I'll tell ya what I think when I do.. I gott dirge of cerberus and ff8 and ff12 now to to mess with whem I'm bored off ffxi online lol.. so theres no telling when I'll actually finish it. But I'm very close. I have all the ultimate weapons and all kinds of stuff, but i want lv 99 and to kill that mega boos that drops the dark matter or w/e it is that maximises odins summon power before I beat it.. Leave no stone unturned is my philosophy.. I can't say any ending displeased me more than ffx-2 though.. borrriinnnggg... was nice tidus kind of popped up but still, even that to me was just to easy for them to come up with.. 9 had a very solid story with nice CG.. I can't complain, even playing it rigt now it still looks nice, just don't try to play it on a high def TV lol.. looks like a bunch of squares makin luv

Okay... seriously, what was all that you just spewed out cause I don't see how its relevant... <_<

Anyway! Yeah I think Vivi stopped, Otherwise what would be the point in all the little Vivi's? And I thought that FF9's ending was better than 8's (and a hell of a lot better than 7's :/ )

This is a Thread i don't think will ever die
it ameks sense to kill off vivi when the game ends to put some sorrow into the game and make it a real fantasy and by the way shouldn't this be with a spoiler tag

FWI:
sain you make to meny threads

Yeah...I thought wrong...I went through and watched the ending again and and realized that it wasn't Vivi there at the end clapping beside Freya and Amarant...it was all the little Vivis...for some reason I always thought it was just him...eh, oh well.

lol i thought the same thing at first

Now that I realize he's not there...he died? Hot dang...never actually thought about it before...and that letter at the end is from him? Wow...it's amazing how much more sense that all makes when you know what's going on!!

so what if he died, zidane will just use a phoenix down

For some strange reason, if you die in the storyline, you can't come back to life.

How does that work?

Or did [Vivi] fade away or something?

sweet mr steven had his first post here

in the story line they only get KOed even if: eaten, cut, biten, shot< lit on fire, swollened, or fall 3000 feet

always someone has to put their 2 cents in regards to whats relevant lol.. which is why i dont play online anymore.. always one like you out there thinking they have they right to act in some way superior.. it's relevant because i decided to say it.. and fuk u if u dont like it..lol.. and if thats the case diknutz stop "spewing" all your what ending is better than what ending nonsense.. thats not relevant either... moron... Yea no more final fantasy for me.. dealing with children like you, I'd rather pull my hair out one strand at a time..


Okay... seriously, what was all that you just spewed out cause I don't see how its relevant... <_<

Anyway! Yeah I think Vivi stopped, Otherwise what would be the point in all the little Vivi's? And I thought that FF9's ending was better than 8's (and a hell of a lot better than 7's :/ )

Vivi can't die he is immortal!!!!!!... sorry...

Immortal is one thing he is not. Being a Black Mage, he obviously had a limited lifespan -- That being said, the game never clarifies whether or not if his generation of Black Mages suffers the same fate.

I know my grammer blows but is my spellign really that bad

god ur stupid

Pot, meet kettle.

throughout the whole game i just assumed he was a real black mage, as opposed to the cloned ones, i was actually so sure of it i never even questioned whether he died or not until now that i saw this thread.

when u think of it it doesn't make scence

if vivi was a black mage or a "doll or robot" couldn't they just fix him

sain, don't make threads -_- <br><br>And don't post with your other nick and try to make people feel sorry for you being made fun of.

I know its been awhile since I played, but in the ending didn't Puck call one of the 'mini Black Mages 'Vivi' and it was one of the adult Black Mages that answered? I figured that the Genomes (Zindane's people) helped the Black Mages beat the 'age limit' put on them by Kuja.

I know its been awhile since I played, but in the ending didn't Puck call one of the 'mini Black Mages 'Vivi' and it was one of the adult Black Mages that answered?

Nope. Unless you mean the super-exclusive ending that only came with the Limited Edition FFIX that was only released in Japan in 2006...

and it could only be bought on febuary 30th

Been a while since I played but I remember the tone of his letter didn't strike me as a cheerful one. Doesn't he even say goodbye at one point? Vivi is also the only character that doesn't appear in the ending FMV, if I'm not mistaken.

I don't think he survived.

You're somewhat right, Espanha. But I do not recall him actually saying goodbye.

He did. In that final speech, his last words were, "Everyone, thank you. Farewell. My memories will be part of the sky."

You're right, kurohime. I totally forgot about that.

yep and he fell from the sky so it goes together really well

Phonix pinion

Am I the only one that finds it odd that a 9/10 year old had children....? What's more, how exactly DID he have children? From what I saw in Dali, I assume he just laid an egg.... or 10....

those eggs were created. vivi probly asked the casle to make eggs for him so he could have children

I wish he didn't die, but....I dunno.

... he lives. in my opinion though: worst. ff ending. ever.

Ummm...

Well, they never really clarified Vivi was a puppet like all the other Black Mages. Maybe they did, I must've missed it. I'll have to agree, Vivi was one of the most important characters in the game, so you'd think they would show him, etc.

Then again... when Puck runs into one of the Vivi's, he goes "hey Vivi, how's it going, etc." If Vivi died, don't you think everyone would've known about it? Just a thought.

If Vivi died, don't you think everyone would've known about it?
Not necessarily. If something like Zidane's return (let alone the fact he was alive at all) could remain unknown to Dagger -- and it's obvious Dagger still thought about Zidane afterwards -- something like Vivi's death might stay a rumor or unknown to a lot of people until something like an Alexandria gathering happened and they saw Vivi's family or the people who stayed with him.

Sometimes when you part ways with old friends, you don't find out if they got married, had children, or what's happened to them at all until a day you have reason to see them again. You know, like a highschool reunion.

looks like they need to make a movie to say weather or not the black mage died ... like they ahd to do with aeris ... i dont remebr a lot form that game but i am sure he died .... i think the little ones runnigna round are his kids form his tribe but i dont do well with charaters dieing so i tend to forget if they realy did or not but i rember it took ff7:ac tto prove that aeris had died so it might take a ff9 move to prove that the black mage died ... i hope not though .... i think it would bomb worse than the frist ff movie

looks like they need to make a movie to say weather or not the black mage died ... like they ahd to do with aeris ... i dont remebr a lot form that game but i am sure he died .... i think the little ones runnigna round are his kids form his tribe but i dont do well with charaters dieing so i tend to forget if they realy did or not but i rember it took ff7:ac tto prove that aeris had died so it might take a ff9 move to prove that the black mage died ... i hope not though .... i think it would bomb worse than the frist ff movie

I got a headache trying to read this. Aeris got stabbed by Sephiroth and was laid in peace by Cloud, therefore they didn't need AC to prove she died.

Staying on topic, everyone assumed Zidane had died, since it had been so long. I guess its just one of the many FF mysteries, but it would make more sense to say that Vivi did die because of the dialogue @ the Iifa Tree. Oh well, Vivi is still a pretty bad dude.

Yes, it appears he did. As others have pointed out there is a lot more evidence to suggest that he died rather than survived. The speech given at the games epilogue and the fact that he doesn't appear in the ending (when minor characters such as Lani and Puck do) suggests he passed away.

I got a headache trying to read this. Aeris got stabbed by Sephiroth and was laid in peace by Cloud, therefore they didn't need AC to prove she died.

Staying on topic, everyone assumed Zidane had died, since it had been so long. I guess its just one of the many FF mysteries, but it would make more sense to say that Vivi did die because of the dialogue @ the Iifa Tree. Oh well, Vivi is still a pretty bad dude.


ac was needed to prove she was dead to msot fans .... kingdom hearts never realy helpted that matter by makeing ehr alive and whill she seemed dead for msot of the game at the varty end you see her in the lake open her eyes witch is why a lot of people thought she was still alive witch is why i am glad ac cleared it up for a lot of fans


Back on topic :

i am sure the little dude died but again i think his tribe ahd a lonegr life span than most and with all the little vivi`s it made the ending happy you lose 1 charater and you gain his family .... if he is still alive is basicly up to fandom to deside in there own way i guss but all the facts seem to point that he died .... but thena gain this is the ff universe so


point out to every one saying phoenix and phoenix down : theyw roekd on koed members meaning theya re knocked out dead is story line is realy dead not just at 0 and knocked out

ac was needed to prove she was dead to msot fans .... kingdom hearts never realy helpted that matter by makeing ehr alive and whill she seemed dead for msot of the game at the varty end you see her in the lake open her eyes witch is why a lot of people thought she was still alive witch is why i am glad ac cleared it up for a lot of fans

AC was not needed to prove she was dead. The numerous in game quotes, the fact that she was stabbed by a sword through the chest and the fact that she was dropped into a lake (and remained there...) prove that she was dead. The scene you refer to where she has her eyes open takes place in the lifestream at the end of the game. The game opens with this scene, its just a way of the game going 'full circle' if you will.

Kingdom Hearts takes place in a seperate universe althogether, if I recall Vivi is also alive in that game.

I think he dies. There too much evidence that he is dead at the ending.

lifa tree diologe was about kuja (at end) no?

No, it was about yo'momma.

Muture.

He doesn't die cuz he is in KH2 :P

He doesn't die cuz he is in KH2 :P

.....so is Aeris

.....so is Aeris

that means she has been resurrected :P

ZOMBIE VIVI!! :P

mabie vivi was already a zombie?

Hello Sain.

that means she has been resurrected :P

No. KH2 is a paradox, meaning Aeris, Vivi, Garland (from FFI) could all be in it if the creators felt like they would have a prominent part to play.

i played ff9 through the end years ago and i dont remember him dying even if in a magazine i had read that he dies. Anyway. I dont raed these magazines anymore or play games

I have no idea if this thread is still accepting serious replies but seeing as Ms. Ermis failed to contribute anything worthwhile (again), here's my 2 cents: the last narration is his and he says things that are pretty typical of someone who, if not dead, will be soon. Plus, he never shows up in the ending sequence alongside the others.

Plus, he never shows up in the ending sequence alongside the others.

Well, he might of been in the crowd of little vivis cheering on zidane and dagger! Or maybe he could of just died in between the scene where he is with the little vivis and the scene where everyone of the party members are cheering. Or a third theory could be that he was never alive to begin with.

Vivis a strange person.

If he was around, I should think Square would've made him more noticeable than maybe standing around in the middle of a mob of his own clones. But that's just me.

I'll remain unconvinced of his survival until there's some incontroversible evicence of it.

The ending doesn't really clarify anything concerning Vivi's death. I think it is up to oneself to decide what you need to believe.

*ditto

I have no idea if this thread is still accepting serious replies but seeing as Ms. Ermis failed to contribute anything worthwhile (again), here's my 2 cents: the last narration is his and he says things that are pretty typical of someone who, if not dead, will be soon. Plus, he never shows up in the ending sequence alongside the others.

The last narration is from Zidane, actually.

As for Vivi, I always assumed he survived and was among the other small mages in the crowd during the ending. The only reasonable hint of his possible survival is that he was tossed away as a defect when he was created.

There is just nothing in the game that address this question.

The last narration is from Zidane, actually.

So Zidane heavily implies he dies by saying "my memories will be part of the sky"?

Enlighten me, Hynad, if you would.

Yeah, of course that part would be just after Zidane escapes, and anybody would guess that those were the last words he told Kuja, the only one at this point you see dying.

You're not doing a very good job of convincing me, which seems to be your objective.

I am completely open about this so how about you explain the whole speech to me, what Zidane is referring to as he speaks and whatnot?

As you see Zidane walking out of the Iifa Tree:

"Kuja...
What you did was wrong...

But you gave us all one thing...
Hope...

We were all created for the wrong reason,
but you alone defied our fate.

We do not want to forget this.
We want your memory
to live on forever...

...To remind us that we were not
created for the wrong reason-
that our life has meaning."


I repeat that you get to read this while seeing Zidane walking out of the Iifa Tree.


After that, we get to read all the character's thoughts about Zidane. They basically say what they learned from their contact with him.

Nowhere is it mentioned that someone died. The only thing sure about Vivi is that somehow, he managed to have kids.

Yeah, I see the problem. I was in fact referring to the last letter playing during the ending sequence, not the dialogue between Kuja and Zidane. And I see no reason to assume those were still Zidane's words after he left the Iifa Tree.

"Everyone...
Thank You.
Farewell.

My memory will be part of the sky..."


So that's the part you are referring to. Yeah, it could be interpreted as a farewell from Vivi.

The part just before it:

"I'm so happy I met everyone...
I wish I could have gone on
more adventures.
But I guess we all have to say goodbye someday."

You know what, you're probably right. The more I watch and rewatch the ending, the more it is likely that everything that is written was from the same "letter" as you put it. Even if I always interpreted each seperate parts as coming from different characters...

Especially this one, which I thought was obviously from Eiko. Now that I think about it and watch and re-watch the ending sequence over and over again (first time I did that, lol) it could be from Vivi as well.

Here's the part I always thought was from Eiko (You see her with Cid and Hilda, and she calls Cid "dad"):

"What to do when I felt lonely...
That's the only thing you couldn't teach me.
But we need to figure out
the answer for ourselves..."

This was especially difficult to associate this part to someone else since in the game intro (before you start playing) there is an image of her with the quote "I don't wanna be alone anymore ..." So yeah, I thought it was pretty obvious that part about loneliness would be from Eiko.

But he more I think about it, the more I think you're right and that all those "letters" are in fact parts of the same on. Which is the "adios" letter from Vivi to the other characters.

As you see Zidane walking out of the Iifa Tree:

"Kuja...
What you did was wrong...

But you gave us all one thing...
Hope...

We were all created for the wrong reason,
but you alone defied our fate.

We do not want to forget this.
We want your memory
to live on forever...

...To remind us that we were not
created for the wrong reason-
that our life has meaning."


I repeat that you get to read this while seeing Zidane walking out of the Iifa Tree.


Actually, that's Mikoto. She was meant to be the third Angel of Death after Kuja failed. In a sense, she's the leader of the Genomes now, since she's the only one (other than Zidane) that has a soul. In that message she's speaking of how Kuja taught all of the Genomes a valuable lesson.

LMAO, there is nothing that points in that direction during the sequence, so I'll take your comment as a stupid joke.

LMAO

Ok at the end of FFIX when the characters were clapping, WHY THE HELL WERE THERE CLONES OF VIVI?

I DUNNO? MAYBE HE ISN'T THE ONLY BLACK MAGE IN THE GAME?

Hynad, both yours and Viden's points can be assumed to be correct. In fact, Viden's post made me realize I also think that was Mikoto speaking, but I can't offer any proof, except for a pesky feeling that it is so. I'd have to watch the ending again to be sure.

I DUNNO? MAYBE HE ISN'T THE ONLY BLACK MAGE IN THE GAME? ya but the were the same...not like the ones in black mage village...
OMFG VIVI'S A GIRL AND SHE WAS PREGNANT THE WHOLE GAME? This must explain why she kept on running around all the time

hmm i still think that he dies

-.-

I think

Yes, Vivi dies by the time of the game's ending. Foreshadowing earlier in the game hints toward his demise as it is revealed that the Black Mages have a far shorter lifespan than the rest of Gaia's dominant races, usually dying around a year after being created. In Vivi's case, of course, he has lived to be nine years old, but we learn that he was the prototype of the Black Mages, and -- according to Kuja, the Black Mages' maker -- would live longer as a result. However, the indication offered is that Vivi's lifespan is still more limited than that of races such as Dagger's and Freya's:

Vivi
"......"
"I wanna ask you something."

Black Mage No. 288
"What is it?"

Vivi
"A-Am I gonna stop pretty soon, too?"

Zidane
"!"

Black Mage No. 288
"I don't know..."
"Kuja said the prototype built before us would last longer."

Vivi
"But...I am gonna stop eventually."

Black Mage No. 288
"......"


With this foreshadowing in mind, we must then consider the manner in which Vivi speaks during the game's ending, and what it is that he is saying:

"I always talked about you, Zidane. How you were a very special person to us, because you taught us all how important life is."
"You taught me that life doesn't last forever. That's why we have to help each other and live life to the fullest."
"Even if you say goodbye, you'll always be in our hearts. So, I know we're not alone anymore."
"Why I was born... How I wanted to live... Thanks for giving me time to think."
"To keep doing what you set your heart on... It's a very hard thing to do. We were all so courageous..."
"What to do when I felt lonely... That was the only thing you couldn't teach me. But we need to figure out the answer for ourselves..."
"I'm so happy I met everyone... I wish we could've gone on more adventures. But I guess we all have to say goodbye someday."
"Everyone... Thank you. Farewell."
"My memories will be part of the sky..."


Here, we have him not only saying farewell to everyone, but adding in "My memories will be part of the sky...." This would certainly indicate that Vivi believed his death was near.

With these things in mind, we must finally consider that Vivi does not appear in the final aspect of the ending, and only the beings that bear his appearance and are said to be his sons do. Were Vivi present during the ending amongst all these other Black Mages that bear his appearance, it's safe to assume that he would be pointed out. It's likewise safe to assume that he would have been present in Alexandria were he alive, as everyone else in the controllable party is -- and even some characters who weren't.

With the story written as it is, there's no evidence toward Vivi having survived, and the very method of the story telling leading up to and during the ending infers his death.

I think

Yes, Vivi dies by the time of the game's ending. Foreshadowing earlier in the game hints toward his demise as it is revealed that the Black Mages have a far shorter lifespan than the rest of Gaia's dominant races, usually dying around a year after being created. In Vivi's case, of course, he has lived to be nine years old, but we learn that he was the prototype of the Black Mages, and -- according to Kuja, the Black Mages' maker -- would live longer as a result. However, the indication offered is that Vivi's lifespan is still more limited than that of races such as Dagger's and Freya's:

Vivi
"......"
"I wanna ask you something."

Black Mage No. 288
"What is it?"

Vivi
"A-Am I gonna stop pretty soon, too?"

Zidane
"!"

Black Mage No. 288
"I don't know..."
"Kuja said the prototype built before us would last longer."

Vivi
"But...I am gonna stop eventually."

Black Mage No. 288
"......"


With this foreshadowing in mind, we must then consider the manner in which Vivi speaks during the game's ending, and what it is that he is saying:

"I always talked about you, Zidane. How you were a very special person to us, because you taught us all how important life is."
"You taught me that life doesn't last forever. That's why we have to help each other and live life to the fullest."
"Even if you say goodbye, you'll always be in our hearts. So, I know we're not alone anymore."
"Why I was born... How I wanted to live... Thanks for giving me time to think."
"To keep doing what you set your heart on... It's a very hard thing to do. We were all so courageous..."
"What to do when I felt lonely... That was the only thing you couldn't teach me. But we need to figure out the answer for ourselves..."
"I'm so happy I met everyone... I wish we could've gone on more adventures. But I guess we all have to say goodbye someday."
"Everyone... Thank you. Farewell."
"My memories will be part of the sky..."


Here, we have him not only saying farewell to everyone, but adding in "My memories will be part of the sky...." This would certainly indicate that Vivi believed his death was near.

With these things in mind, we must finally consider that Vivi does not appear in the final aspect of the ending, and only the beings that bear his appearance and are said to be his sons do. Were Vivi present during the ending amongst all these other Black Mages that bear his appearance, it's safe to assume that he would be pointed out. It's likewise safe to assume that he would have been present in Alexandria were he alive, as everyone else in the controllable party is -- and even some characters who weren't.

With the story written as it is, there's no evidence toward Vivi having survived, and the very method of the story telling leading up to and during the ending infers his death.

dude that quote seriously made me shed a tear

ha really?


"Everytime a male cry's becomes more of a man"
-Professer Dan Kirk.

GTFO!

Sain, you uneducated single celled organism.

Sain, you uneducated single celled organism.

thats sweet LOL

Sain, you uneducated single celled organism.

master you green pedifile

Sain I came down you're chimney this christmas, but you were asleep :mad:

I didn't read them all but my question is... What about the alternate ending? I am working on the alternate ending right now... I plan to get the alternate ending then go back to my save before the battle and sell Shina's Hammer so that I can see the original ending.... So does anybody know if he lives in the alternate ending? He is my fav.

There is no "alternate ending," not really. The so-called "alternate ending" only adds a small additional bit of dialogue and it definitely doesn't have anything to do with Vivi.

So its not worth my time to do the zodiac quest other than to get items and gil?

It really isn't unless you just like having it complete. You can find the "alternate ending" in a script online.

All that happens is King Leo (Baku) beheads Blank in the play at the end. It's still worth completing the zodiac mission, if only for the gil and items.

*rolls eyes*

Correction. They show a bunch of "little" Vivi's.

Everyone else is VERY DISTINCTLY SHOWN. Zidane, Dagger, Steiner, Beatrix, Freya, Fratley, Quina, Amarant, Lani, Eiko, Cid, HILDA, Puck, too, fer God's sake. It's made obvious what became of each person, except for Vivi. So again, becuase I SO like repeating myself, Vivi, who was the backbone and one of the main three characters of FF9, was never CLEARLY shown.

That last monologue is all Vivi speaking. Why would he say "farewell" to all of his friends, and then not show up to this big event when everyone else did.


As for you opinion about FF9's ending...? I'm trying very hard not to giggle.

There is a big Vivi 1.5 times the size of the others

Why in the world was this nonsense revived again? Closed.