http://ps3.ign.com/articles/732/732060p1.html

thoughts?

Since the less expensive PS3 is rather crippled anyhow, the 80/20 ratio seems about right.

Either way, it's still a rip-off.

Try slashing the price by 1/3 and we might have a deal.

I wonder how quick PS2 will become obsolete when PS3 launches? Psx went pretty fast. I don't plan on geting 3 until my senior high school year if I'm still interested.

Psx went pretty fast.

Uhhh The Psx Had A Lifespan Of 6 Years... Only In 2001 Had The Price And popularity Of the Ps2 Caught Up

The Ps2 Has Had A 5-6 Year Lifesapn Also So I Dont See How its Going To Instantly Fall Out Of Production Just Because The new Console Has Hit...

And As far As the Ps3 Goes Knowing That Possibly There Was Going To be A Cheaper Alternative I Was Looking At Maybe Getting One... But Since The Number Of Consoles As A Whole Sony Are planning On Shipping For The Release Has Dropped Considerabally And Only A Very Small Percentage Of That Percentage Is Going To Be Remotely Affordable Im Going To Probably End Up Boycotting This Of Late inferior Company

Oooh! OOooh! I'm totally reserving...Wii. Is it just me, or has Sony's aim begun to go up? Meaning, they've been shooting themselves in the proverbial foot--it seems to me as if they're aiming higher now.

They still label the 20GB version as the no HDMI console. Bloody hell, you can buy a tiny cable and problem solved, you can go high-def.

Anyway what's the point of two models? Honestly? If you can afford the money to plunk down on the cheaper version, then a little bit more isn't going to put you in the poor-house. They've just made things harder on themselves for no reason.

It's only $100 more, but in the long run you're far better off.

Anyway we know that we're all just gonna wait like 5 years til prices are really really really cheap! Like PS2 is like what A$129? And after we wait 5 years, all the great games will be platinum!!! Like FFXIII and Devil May Cry 4. No paying $100 for 40 hours of fun, you only need to pay $30 :)

It's only $100 more, but in the long run you're far better off.

ONLY $100 more? Are you that thick? When did your brain fucking die!? It's not JUST $100 more, it's another $100 on top of $200 too fucking expensive!

ONLY $100 more? Are you that thick? When did your brain fucking die!? It's not JUST $100 more, it's another $100 on top of $200 too fucking expensive!

Whilst I agree with you that it is far too expensive, I think it's pretty uncalled for to be calling the guy stupid for saying "$100 more" when, pretty clearly, he only meant it in comparison, not overall value.

$100 is quite a lot of cash and saying that it's only $100 more pricey is quite condescending IMO.

Condescending? What?

You are a condescending jerkoff to anyone who you have decided is wrong about a given toppic. You have no business labeling anyone such. Shut the hell up. The kid did nothing worthy of your scorn, which is the case half the time you go on one of your "I'm such a smartypants on the internet" ramages but much more so here than usual.

Joan does have a bit of a point though, namely "$100 on top of $200 too expensive." Yeah, I know. Blu-Ray, whoop-dee-doo. By the time I'll actually have to get a Blu-Ray player (assuming that Blu-Rays win out in the end--not a small assumption yet), the prices will be much more manageable.

Sony seems to be in trouble with the playstation 3. First they change the realise date for Europe. But its not just a change. Sony was always saying about a World Wide realise, etc and now in the eyes of the people it looks as lies. Im pretty annoyed about the change too. Sony will also loose the chance to sell ps3 during Cristmas.

599 euro is far too expensive for a console. And not only the console is too expensive, Microsoft will soon be selling 360 with an HD-DVD reader, but on lower price of a ps3 (on about 550).

I still want to know why the hell Sony is sending 4/5 of the initial PS3 stock to North America and only releasing 100,000 units in Japan.

The US market is bigger. They'll have more systems in both places by the end of the year anyways.


it's another $100 on top of $200 too fucking expensive!

If you think its $200 too expensive, then don't buy it. However, if you think that its worth getting one at $500, then saving up that extra $100 for the premium version isn't a big deal.



Either way, it's still a rip-off.

They'll be losing hundreds of dollars on each one sold.

Joan does have a bit of a point though, namely "$100 on top of $200 too expensive."

That wasn't the point being addressed.

I read about that a couple of months ago.

Condescending? What?

You are a condescending jerkoff to anyone who you have decided is wrong about a given toppic. You have no business labeling anyone such. Shut the hell up. The kid did nothing worthy of your scorn, which is the case half the time you go on one of your "I'm such a smartypants on the internet" ramages but much more so here than usual.

Haha, what? Regardless of what you think of me for it, do you still agree with my point that it's a shit load of money to fork out and it's stupid to say that it's not a big deal to fork out 20% extra of an already ludicrously overpriced system?

If you want to discuss this, then we'll discuss this. Honestly, I thought you're above resorting to ad hominem attacks in response to the toe of the post and turning a blind eye to the actual argument. ;)

Ad hominem is when you try to discredit a person's argument by attacking their character. I said nothing about your argument, only that you are being a hypocrite here.

To you, maybe it seems like what he said misrepresented the case, but it's still ridiculous for you to get on his nuts over it the way you did. Sorry, maybe I overstated it, but I really think you're being completely unfair. Surely you must realize that you yourself are constantly condescending and have no right to complain about others being that way? I mean I don't think he even was being condescending in any way but even if he was.

Well in that case, I'll apologise even if I don't think I was condescending. Harsh is more like it.

MAN I DON'T HAVE TO GET ANYTHING MAN LIKE I WOULD RATHER GET MYSELF SOME GOOD COFFEE ICE CREAM I HAVE SOME IN THE FRIDGE

HAHAHA YOU GUYS DON'T AND IF YOU DO HAHAHA I HAVE A COOLER NAME THAN YOU

The US market is bigger. They'll have more systems in both places by the end of the year anyways.
But the Japanese market is more important. Plus the fact that Japan doesn't give a shit about the Xbox 360 would mean Sony should put most of its consoles over there at release, to gain even more of an edge over Microsoft.

Sony will win in their homeland anyhow so its in their best intrest to ship allot of consoles to America where Microsoft is a big threat.
The only competitor they have in Japan is the Wii, wich is so different most Japanese people will end up getting both consoles anyway.

I still want to know why the hell Sony is sending 4/5 of the initial PS3 stock to North America and only releasing 100,000 units in Japan.

I actually didn't realise that. Is that really happening? I wouldn't be surprised, the Japs will tolerate shortages because Sony is a god-send over there. The Yanks however, they're already skeptical enough about Sony's new flagship model, so they'll no doubt try to get as many there as possible. Still it seems a little stupid; slapping your major fan-base in the face.

Sony have handled everything wrong with this console. Absolutely everything. Microsoft took them way too far out of their comfort zone and Nintendo was breathing down their necks and now may even get their consoles out earlier in PAL territories. Sony just fell to pieces. Its such a shame. The PS3 looks like one hell of a piece of hardware but they've been slowly undoing that by shooting themselves in the foot announcement after announcement.

Oh well. Calls from some Wii-therapy if you ask me.

But the Japanese market is more important.

More important in the sense that they ... buy less systems over there? In the sense that...they make more killer apps?(GTA and Gran Turismo are PS2's top selling franchises, one is western, the other is Sony. You can find the list of top selling PS2 games to work out how important each regions developers are)

But yeah, I'm wondering what you mean, exactly.

More important in the sense that they ... buy less systems over there? In the sense that...they make more killer apps?(GTA and Gran Turismo are PS2's top selling franchises, one is western, the other is Sony. You can find the list of top selling PS2 games to work out how important each regions developers are)

But yeah, I'm wondering what you mean, exactly.
The Japanese market is usually more important because they love all this gaming stuff more than America does. And I guess I was saying Sony should put a lot more in Japan right away since Microsoft has done squat there so far, and Nintendo would completely dominate with the Wii if it was left all alone. With no worries about the 360 over there, and little PS3 units hitting the shelves at launch in Japan, it just means Nintendo can take a really big chunk of the market.

I don't think it's really true that the Japanese love gaming stuff more than Americans. Whether they do or not, the fact that more systems are sold in America makes it somewhat irrelevant. It's still a more important market.

America also has a bigger population, and therefore more potential customers.

Only an idiot gets a system at launch. There's going to be so many things wrong with it that you will regret ever owning the system. I have already made my decision of this PS3: wait until the price drops then start wondering if the PS3 is worth my time. This way, it will be cheaper and some of the bugs will be fixed. Then again, I'm happy with my PS2 anyways and not going to get a system just for about four games.

IDX, if people did not buy the consoles at lunch i dont think ps3 would even be made

The Japanese market is usually more important because they love all this gaming stuff more than America does.

Is that all you're going with? =\

But anyways, it will be tougher to succeed in the American market because it will be going against the Wii's launch and the Xbox360 already has a presence. The American market is bigger. So it makes sense that they will devote more resources to it even if Americans only think games are "kinda" important. Releasing 100000 in japan isn't damning + japan's "buy a bunch of crap" shopping season apparently starts later than ours so they aren't losing much by not having a bunch of systems available in November.

Is that all you're going with? =\
No.

IDX, if people did not buy the consoles at lunch i dont think ps3 would even be made

LOL! "Waiter! I'll have a PS3 with some coleslaw on the side, please?!"

No.

What else is there then!?

The secret things that he didn't post because they're secret!

The best points are those points that are secret unrevealed ones anyway, my imagination is running riot.

If nothing else, I'd imagine Sony would have hired guys to calculate the optimum release ratio rather than deciding 1:4 sounds pretty sweet. That is my biggest problem with Smokey arbitrarily deciding that Sony have made some grievous error here since, ideally, I'm sure Sony would love to flood the market with consoles.

But then again, there are those secret points...

SECRET LEVEL #4

BE PREPARED FOR SUPER MONKEYS

GARAMOND WILL YOU AID ME AGAINST THE SUPER MONKEYS

I NEED YOUR SWORD

The best points are those points that are secret unrevealed ones anyway, my imagination is running riot.

If nothing else, I'd imagine Sony would have hired guys to calculate the optimum release ratio rather than deciding 1:4 sounds pretty sweet. That is my biggest problem with Smokey arbitrarily deciding that Sony have made some grievous error here since, ideally, I'm sure Sony would love to flood the market with consoles.

But then again, there are those secret points...
What are you talking about?

What are you talking about?

That I think Sony will have taken into account the various factors affecting release ratio and, with the limited units ready for launch, are releasing the console as effectively as they can.

I won't be buying it, I promise you. :P

20GB and 60GB PS3:
any different in their hardware or just in hard space
price is important but for what benefite and best

20GB and 60GB PS3:
any different in their hardware or just in hard space
price is important but for what benefite and best
There's not a single difference that gamers should care about, but it is Sony. Both are completely useless.

I won't be buying it, I promise you. :P

Same here, in fact i dont even have the money but if i buy something, that would be wii

I CANNOT AFFORD THIS NEW CONSOLE :(

For all of it's features the price tag is not as much of a rip as people are saying, particularly when you look at how much stand alone blu ray players cost.

Oh, but Ktulu, that's what they want you to think!

I don't see how anyone can bitch, everything goes up in price over time. Each console generation has cost more than the one before it. Who the hell expects the prices of consoles to just stagnate and stay at 200 bucks forever? It's unrealistic.

Who the hell expects the prices of consoles to just stagnate and stay at 200 bucks forever? It's unrealistic.
Nintendo.

Wii is not as powerful as a machine as PS3. I'm not saying it won't be a good console, I know it will, it's just that it has no reason to cost 600 dollars, but that price for PS3 isn't as insane as a lot of people seem to think.

The Wii however *is* more at launch than the Gamecube was at launch, and regardless of how little it is compared to the PS2 to PS3 price jump I still think my point about prices going up with each generation (and people needing to just deal with it if they're going to continue buying consoles as they come out) is valid enough. Not as if I think it solves the whole issue, or that it's automatically acceptable for people to pay so much, but it just seems people are ignoring a lot of really basic things that help justify the price more.

For all of it's features the price tag is not as much of a rip as people are saying, particularly when you look at how much stand alone blu ray players cost.

Yeah, the prices aren't a ripoff. Literally, as Sony loses money one each console sold. If you're interested in the PS3, it is a super bargain, even if its expensive. If you're not... then it doesn't really matter what it costs. Sony could have cut a lot of costs by simply not including Blu Ray though.



and regardless of how little it is compared to the PS2 to PS3 price jump I still think my point about prices going up with each generation (and people needing to just deal with it if they're going to continue buying consoles as they come out) is valid enough.

Consoles haven't gone up in price each generation. There's always been a wide range of prices and no consistent scale. In the early days there was the NEO-GEO with its $200 games. It's looked at as a sort of specialty machine now but back then it was advertised in gaming mags and marketed directly against the SNES and Genesis. The 3DO is another example of the far end of pricing. The PC-FX console in Japan, which was the follow up to the PC-Engine(Turbo Grafx 16). Even without systems like the 3DO, the Sega Saturn launched at $400. Playstation was 300, and so was PS2. N64 was 250. NES and SNES were both 200.Genesis was 250. But the Genesis was just a "basic unit". If you include the CD add on it would be over 400 at the time that was released(I think). Similarly, the PC Engine + CD drive was over 300. The CD drive was that much on its own when released. And getting everything that was offered for that system(Arcade card) so that you could play every game made for it only adds to the price. Note that the PC Engine was released in 1987, so its an NES era system which was supported until the mid 90s. Even in the early 80s you had systems going for about $200-300.

Console prices have not been gradually rising. Given that Sony and Microsoft are taken the approach of eating hundreds of dollars for each console sold, it's likely that if the technology they need becomes cheaper the next time around, they'll be able to deliver it to us for...about $200-$300. Blu Ray, for instance, won't be adding several hundred dollars to the price of PS4, if they choose to use it. And since 200-300 now is a bit different than 200-300 in 1980, we're probably lucky that console prices have more or less stayed consistent. Prices probably will rise though. A system at $500 a long time ago equaled death, but I doubt the PS3 will bomb. And once people can see that it can sell at that price, next generation prices will be adjusted to take it into account.

VIDEO GAMES

For all of it's features the price tag is not as much of a rip as people are saying, particularly when you look at how much stand alone blu ray players cost.

Because, you know, Blu-Ray is the must have, despite the fact that there are few-to-zero Blu-Ray movies on the market.


I don't see how anyone can bitch, everything goes up in price over time. Each console generation has cost more than the one before it...Wii is not as powerful as a machine as PS3. I'm not saying it won't be a good console, I know it will, it's just that it has no reason to cost 600 dollars, but that price for PS3 isn't as insane as a lot of people seem to think...but it just seems people are ignoring a lot of really basic things that help justify the price more.

The last system I bought from a retail chain cost 300 USD. You would be a complete baffoon to chalk up that kind of price increase to simple inflation. The fact of the matter is, 600 USD is a ridiculous price for a gaming console. There's no justifying such a price point, especially when the main "reason" given for the high price is hardware that won't even be popular, let alone necessary, for at least three or four years, and that's assuming that Blu-Ray does indeed become the "standard," which isn't guaranteed.

Indeed, if blue ray fails and HD rises up, then ps3 will be in serious troubles

MAN EVERYBODY IS IN SERIOUS TROUBLE RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!

Console prices have not been gradually rising. Given that Sony and Microsoft are taken the approach of eating hundreds of dollars for each console sold, it's likely that if the technology they need becomes cheaper the next time around, they'll be able to deliver it to us for...about $200-$300. Blu Ray, for instance, won't be adding several hundred dollars to the price of PS4, if they choose to use it. And since 200-300 now is a bit different than 200-300 in 1980, we're probably lucky that console prices have more or less stayed consistent. Prices probably will rise though. A system at $500 a long time ago equaled death, but I doubt the PS3 will bomb. And once people can see that it can sell at that price, next generation prices will be adjusted to take it into account.

All this doesn't really change that $600 is more than a lot of people can afford, though. I don't think it will bomb either, exactly, but I think Sony is taking a pretty big risk of losing its lead. It may be that 600 isn't a ripoff, but it is still so much money that the competitors are going to look extremely attractive. If PS3 loses huge installed base numbers to Xbox and Wii at the beginning of its life, it's going to severely hamper its ability to catch up later. By the time anyone actually wants blu-ray (if that does in fact become a standard) it will be too late.

I guess a lot of it depends on how good a job they do at convincing people that it is the MUST HAVE thing like they did with PS2 and all. I think it is undeniably a gamble for them, though.

gee dangg... that's a lot of money either way...

I haven't really been keeping up with the developments of these "next-gen" consoles, so I'm not sure how this it's gonna look on a non-HD tv... if it looks exactly like the PS2, then screw it. >_> not that I have a PS2 anymore... :(

anyways, I probably won't bother to buy the PS3 unless I see at least 5 games I can't go on without (which'll be slim to none) and at least one that I could play over and over and over and over again.... and never get tired of it. :D

As much as I hate to say this, the whole price factor of the PS3, it's relative problems and the delayed launch factors have really hurt Sony's chances of actually being sucessful in making the PS3 outrun XBox, or Nintendo's... Revolution (I refuse to say the W word damnit.). With as much as people spend on new technology however, and the lack of 'better' things to spend said cash on, there -are- going to at least be a good amount of people that buy those 600,000 units, with or without the 60GB hard drive. It's new. That's all they care about. They don't consider the drawbacks to the overpricey system. It's Sony, and because of the huge popularity of Sony's breakthrough technology not only with their game consoles but their computer technics as well, people are going for the brand name and not the material that's inside.

All this doesn't really change that $600 is more than a lot of people can afford, though. I don't think it will bomb either, exactly, but I think Sony is taking a pretty big risk of losing its lead. It may be that 600 isn't a ripoff, but it is still so much money that the competitors are going to look extremely attractive. If PS3 loses huge installed base numbers to Xbox and Wii at the beginning of its life, it's going to severely hamper its ability to catch up later. By the time anyone actually wants blu-ray (if that does in fact become a standard) it will be too late.

I guess a lot of it depends on how good a job they do at convincing people that it is the MUST HAVE thing like they did with PS2 and all. I think it is undeniably a gamble for them, though.

I don't disagree with you. But in the past $600 was basically doom for a console, and now it doesn't seem like that will be the case.I can't really see the PS3 repeating the dominance that PS2 had, of course. PS2 sales were nuts. I think in its first year it sold more than Xbox and Gamecube did during their entire runs, or something ridiculous like that.


The Blu Ray thing... I'm guessing their goal is to make it become a standard by including it with the PS3. Not so much about expecting people to say "I will buy PS3 for Blu Ray" so much as they're expecting "time to get an HD video player... oh shits I already have one!" But yeah, they'd be much better off if they had gone without it.

Blu Ray tech is a big waste. It's better than DvD's but it won't pick up. People are just too in love with the standard. ALWAYS.

I don't disagree with you. But in the past $600 was basically doom for a console, and now it doesn't seem like that will be the case.

Yeah, I guess, but I think that it's more an issue of marketing power than anything else. There hasn't really ever been a $600 console from one of the really big players in the industry, has there? There was CD-I from Nintendo at $1000, of course, but that was hardly backed by Nintendo themselves and essentially was a Phillips system. Basically I don't think it's so much that $600 was automatically death for a console back then as just that nobody who tried it really had the power to push it enough. Sony certainly does.

It also depends what you mean by "bomb." Some would argue that the N64 was a bomb, others that it had a decent run. I wouldn't be all that surprised if the PS3's results are very N64-like. But I guess I wouldn't be surrpised the other way either.

With so many people blowing so much on iPods and such these days the price of PS3 doesn't seem too insane to me.

Rezo your points about the prices really make me look dumb, but I just meant in general, and that surely the prices will rise as each generation becomes more complex. There's no way 200 bucks can be the standard forever, that was my main point really.

Anyway, even if Blu Ray does fail PS3 should still be a decent system as far as I can see, and of course the price will inevitably go down, and if you wait, as already stated, you'll be getting a better version with bug fixes so just holding out a bit seems to be a reasonable enough option if the launch price is too hefty for you. I don't see why the price is any reason to condemn the system all together, which I know is not the only basis for some people's hatred for PS3, but in a lot of cases it really seems to be.

I've never gotten a system at launch anyway, hell, I just got a Gamecube last month, so I guess it's harder for me to sympathize with people worried about the launch price. I know it's a lot of money, but compared to other things people throw cash around on, I feel it's not as bad as a lot of people are making it out to be.

FTR I wasn't chalking up the price increase just to inflation.

Well from my perspective, I'm not worried so much as I just take a vague interest in the goings on of the industry and I happen to feel like Sony is making some big mistakes. I'm not exactly fond of Sony because I generally dislike the impact they had on it with PlayStation, but at this point it's pretty irreversible, and anyway I think harboring genuine hatred for an insubstantial entity like an electronics company is rather petty and foolish.

But at any rate, I don't think iPods are $600, are they? And once you have one, you don't spend nearly as much money afterwards as you do with a PS3. You have to buy games at sixty bucks a pop, extra controllers, and whatever else to go with it. That comes to well over a thousand bucks very quickly. iPods are a lot more within the range of affordability (though I do feel like people spend too much money on them for what they actually are.)

The only system I ever got at launch was GameCube, mostly because my brother and I couldn't wait to play Super Smash Bros. Melee. Personally I wouldn't get a Wii until the new SSB comes out, but my brothers are probably going to get one right away so I might as well chip in. But there's just no way we'd be doing that with a $600 system, and I think that's where Sony's problem lies. I agree with you that the smart thing to do will be to wait for the price to drop, and I think that a lot of people are going to feel that way—so many that it could severely hurt the user base early on, and that, as we know from history, is something a gaming console never really catches up on once its competitors have established a lead over it. It's absolutely critical that they convince people that it's so important to have a PS3 right away that they will drop 600 smackers on it, something I just can't see them succeeding at... but you never know, I guess, with the power of hype and marketing and whatnot.

And the game lineup for it seems rather dismal from my perspective.

Yeah, I guess, but I think that it's more an issue of marketing power than anything else. There hasn't really ever been a $600 console from one of the really big players in the industry, has there?

Nope. As a matter of simply marketing though, the 3DO had a fairly big push behind it, but it wasn't a push coming from a company with an established gaming brand which is what I'm guessing you're getting at. On the other hand, in ...94, the PC-FX followed up the PC Engine in Japan(PC Engine's popularity there was supposedly on par with the super famicom) and although I couldn't find a launch price online it's known for being "expensive" and it bombed considerably. I think there were just a few dozen games made for it, many of which were simple dating/adventure games which were apparently put on it because NEC was desperate for developers. The Dreamcast had a similar ending. The Saturn launched at $400 and the response in the US was abysmal. Like the PC Engine it's predecessor was one of the top systems in the US(Apparently Megadrive was a distant third in japan) and the newcomer playstation was able to steal its thunder fairly quickly. Everyone was waiting for Nintendo's entry at the time, and it was mostly their poor planning which led to Sony taking over. Cartridges/losing developers and all that. Of course the problems with the Sega and NEC systems weren't limited to price, but those are the two closest examples I have. The turbo grafx 16 with its CD add on in the late 80s was also too expensive for the US. I'm wondering how it was able to do well in Japan(the CD add on debuted in the US for $400), but I guess they still had the super economy back then and so when they weren't burning money for fun maybe they also bought video games.

As far as bombs go... the N64 sold pretty well =\ Maybe dissapointing overall since Sony "took the lead", but I think its sales in the US were about the same as the SNES's. That kind of complaint seems like calling Superman Returns a bomb because it made around 200 nillion but was expected to make more. I'm really just thinking of bombs as the systems consumers mostly snub their noses at, like hte Xbox 360 in Japan. The highest I'd go is maybe something like the Saturn which built a small audience and had some support but ultimately never sold well and petered out well before the next generation of systems arrived.

But at any rate, I don't think iPods are $600, are they?

I didn't say that :( Just used iPod as an example of something that to me is expensive (because I'm cheap and poor) that people seem happy to buy on a seemingly large scale these days, and yes you made great points against that, nit I'm just still trying to add layers to my lame "PS3 isn't the worst rip off ever" argument :(

Well from my perspective, I'm not worried so much as I just take a vague interest in the goings on of the industry and I happen to feel like Sony is making some big mistakes. I'm not exactly fond of Sony because I generally dislike the impact they had on it with PlayStation, but at this point it's pretty irreversible, and anyway I think harboring genuine hatred for an insubstantial entity like an electronics company is rather petty and foolish.

But at any rate, I don't think iPods are $600, are they? And once you have one, you don't spend nearly as much money afterwards as you do with a PS3. You have to buy games at sixty bucks a pop, extra controllers, and whatever else to go with it. That comes to well over a thousand bucks very quickly. iPods are a lot more within the range of affordability (though I do feel like people spend too much money on them for what they actually are.)

Last Christmas the iPods ranged from $200-$600 depending on which store you went to and which of the three different models you were looking at getting. I know because I bought one of the $200 deals for my kid sister that wanted one so damn bad.

$600 for a fucking mp3/MPEG player that only has 1GB of storage. A PSP and a 2GB memory stick only costs $400 (bought seperately) and the PSP is about the same bulky size as that particular iPod was last year.


The only system I ever got at launch was GameCube, mostly because my brother and I couldn't wait to play Super Smash Bros. Melee. Personally I wouldn't get a Wii until the new SSB comes out, but my brothers are probably going to get one right away so I might as well chip in. But there's just no way we'd be doing that with a $600 system, and I think that's where Sony's problem lies. I agree with you that the smart thing to do will be to wait for the price to drop, and I think that a lot of people are going to feel that way�so many that it could severely hurt the user base early on, and that, as we know from history, is something a gaming console never really catches up on once its competitors have established a lead over it. It's absolutely critical that they convince people that it's so important to have a PS3 right away that they will drop 600 smackers on it, something I just can't see them succeeding at... but you never know, I guess, with the power of hype and marketing and whatnot.

And the game lineup for it seems rather dismal from my perspective.

It costs nearly $3,000 to build a single PS3 because of the Blu-Ray player and HDMI and the multiple resolutions it switches to depending on the connection type the system detects, Sony is selling it for $600. Stop bitching about the price.

Posting a new thread about a story I read yesterday.

It costs nearly $3,000 to build a single PS3

What? Really?

What? Really?

It costs Sony $500 for the processor, another $500 for the blu-ray drive, lots of nickel-and-dime for the other components and then you have the wages they pay to the people who assemble them and the cost of shipment. $3,000 was an estimate, but probably not far from the exact cost if I could find the cost of the RAM being used (it's not commercially available yet) and the other components.

I don't see any way that can possibly be correct. If Sony was spending that much to build each unit, that would mean they would lose $2400 on each console. With just the 500,000 units that are supposed to be shipping in November, that's a loss of roughly $1,200,000,000. Over a billion fucking dollars. And if it costs that much to make them, there's absolutely no chance that people will buy enough software to recoup the production costs.

In short, that sounds pretty far-fetched.

And if it costs that much to make them, there's absolutely no chance that people will buy enough software to recoup the production costs.

In short, that sounds pretty far-fetched.

Isn't there a way for Sony to make money by pushing Blue-Ray up everybody's ass?

$ 3000 is a lot of money. Do you have a source on that price Odin? I would really like to know what the real costprice is of a PS3. (btw, does anyone know the costprice of a Xbox360?)

$ 3000 is a lot of money. Do you have a source on that price Odin?

Of course he does. The same source that told him an mp3 player with 1GB of memory costs $600.

Yeah Odin, I would love to see what your source is on this. It seems plausible to me that that might be the cost of an individual person was to individually purchase all the parts, but when it comes to mass-producing them I think it is rather ridiculous to suppose they could be losing 2400 on every unit. If so then they are even worse off than I thought.

I'm not "bitching" about the price. The system could only be $100 and I still wouldn't buy one; I don't care personally either way. I am arguing that they are shooting themselves in the foot, I'm not complaining, and so far you've failed to counter with any actual argument about how they aren't.

What 1GB iPod was ever $600? I was just recenly researching MP3 players and the highest capacity ones I found, which were 60GB, were not that high... brand new. I think you're full of shit. With virtually all of these numbers.

Anyway, even if Blu Ray does fail PS3 should still be a decent system as far as I can see, and of course the price will inevitably go down, and if you wait, as already stated, you'll be getting a better version with bug fixes so just holding out a bit seems to be a reasonable enough option if the launch price is too hefty for you. I don't see why the price is any reason to condemn the system all together, which I know is not the only basis for some people's hatred for PS3, but in a lot of cases it really seems to be.

I know i'll wait and even pass up entirely on XBox. I'd rather spend a used car's worth of money on a gaming platform that can play 3 generations of games. That's just me and Sony has yet to dissapoint, entirely. Their games are creative and they have a slew of developers, international and otherwise. Bill Gates is American and will NOT beat that unless he digs in his pockets again, though deep those pockets are. His system can survive this battle if he cares for it and even Hollywood might jump in the gamble for his sake. Movie games (?) and then some.

As far as Blu Ray is concerned, it may pick up and might not now that I look at it. Whoever markets better will get the next 10-15 years of it all. The fact that you can play DvD's on blue ray makes it a tight one. I only hope you can play boot leg on Blu Ray..

Yeah Odin, I would love to see what your source is on this. It seems plausible to me that that might be the cost of an individual person was to individually purchase all the parts, but when it comes to mass-producing them I think it is rather ridiculous to suppose they could be losing 2400 on every unit. If so then they are even worse off than I thought.

I posted the link in one of the previous "OMG SONY SUCKS ASS" threads where people were bitching about the price, but now I can't find it.


I'm not "bitching" about the price. The system could only be $100 and I still wouldn't buy one; I don't care personally either way. I am arguing that they are shooting themselves in the foot, I'm not complaining, and so far you've failed to counter with any actual argument about how they aren't.

I'm just tired of hearing "OH FUCK $600 DOLLARS FOR A GAMING CONSOLE, JESUS H CHRIST THAT'S TOO MUCH FUCK SONY".


What 1GB iPod was ever $600? I was just recenly researching MP3 players and the highest capacity ones I found, which were 60GB, were not that high... brand new. I think you're full of shit. With virtually all of these numbers.


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Were the local stores some dark alleyways with shady looking guys opening up their trenchcoats to reveal a bunch of glittering MP3 players?

A 60GB iPod now is something like 400, if I recall correctly, if you get the top of the line one. That's about 6 & 2/3 bucks per GB.

If they were 600 last year at Christmas for 1GB, that's 600 per GB.

So you are suggesting that in the space of one year, the price of a GB on an iPod has gone down by about $593.

You're wrong. The ones you were looking at either weren't $600, or were a hell of a lot more than 1 GB. Either that or you were looking in some insane store that would get no business because they try to sell things at exhorbitant prices that are obviously a tremendous ripoff. Nobody would ever sell any 1GB iPods at $600, not even a whole entire year ago. My friends had 20-40 GB iPods two or three years ago, which by your standards would have cost them thousands of dollars.

Were the local stores some dark alleyways with shady looking guys opening up their trenchcoats to reveal a bunch of glittering MP3 players?

A 60GB iPod now is something like 400, if I recall correctly, if you get the top of the line one. That's about 6 & 2/3 bucks per GB.

If they were 600 last year at Christmas for 1GB, that's 600 per GB.

So you are suggesting that in the space of one year, the price of a GB on an iPod has gone down by about $593.

You're wrong. The ones you were looking at either weren't $600, or were a hell of a lot more than 1 GB. Either that or you were looking in some insane store that would get no business because they try to sell things at exhorbitant prices that are obviously a tremendous ripoff. Nobody would ever sell any 1GB iPods at $600, not even a whole entire year ago. My friends had 20-40 GB iPods two or three years ago, which by your standards would have cost them thousands of dollars.

F.Y.E, Circuit City, Radio Shack, etc.; not "shady alley dealings".

Keep in mind that it was during the last two weeks before Christmas when local supplies were also low, which I'm sure contributed a great deal to the pricing (plus the fact that everybody apparently wanted one that year).

Now, the one I bought was $200, but they had one that was $600 for some godawful reason and people bought it.

Again, you're focusing on the price when the point I was trying to make was that just last Christmas people were paying almost as much for an mp3 player as they will likely pay this holiday season for a gaming console.

I don't think the PS3 will suffer that greatly because of it's price, nor do I think that $600 is unfair considering all the other shit people will be doing with it. Keep an eye out for the thread between six months to a year after the PS3 launch where people will have soft-modded the PS3 to emulate pretty much all previous generation gaming systems.

I don't see any way that can possibly be correct. If Sony was spending that much to build each unit, that would mean they would lose $2400 on each console. With just the 500,000 units that are supposed to be shipping in November, that's a loss of roughly $1,200,000,000. Over a billion fucking dollars. And if it costs that much to make them, there's absolutely no chance that people will buy enough software to recoup the production costs.

In short, that sounds pretty far-fetched.

I have to agree with Prak. Surely Sony would hit economies of scale with such a venture and production costs would dip significantly (esspecially if they're planning for 6 million units by next year). The original prototype PS3's may have cost that much to build, but its the simple law of economices isn't it? The more you build, the cheaper it is per unit. These things come off a production line you know...

Again, you're focusing on the price when the point I was trying to make was that just last Christmas people were paying almost as much for an mp3 player as they will likely pay this holiday season for a gaming console.

So it's somehow strange for me to focus on the price when the crux of your argument has to do with the price?

Righto then.

$3000 to build a system....oi, that's pretty stupid. Can't they build a console that takes less money to make? The Blu-Ray technology they're pushing with the PS3 is highly unnecessary.

...dude how much of this did you read. =( It's not gonna cost them 3000 per console.

3000? TRY 3 MILLION.

Each PlayStation 3's processor is hand-crafted out of a fist-size diamond. AND THEY'RE ONLY 600 BUCKS! THEY ARE GIVING THESE THINGS AWAY FOLKS

Even if the whole console is made out of gold, diamonds and silver and gave it out on half the prise that it should be sold its still too much for a gaming console

EVERYBODY IT IS OFFICIAL WITH DIAMONDS IN THE SYSTEM I WILL GET A PS3

though really that is the only system with any game i will want in the next five or so years and by that i mean the suikoden series b/c everything else is like meh i hate it except mutli-console games that I play like Madden somtimes and then maybe a baseball or NBA game and then I just get the game for the system that is graphically the best and stuff because it is on all the games but seriously the xbox made playing madden a lot easier b/c i had the memory card and stuff and it would take like 4 minutes to save well not that long but you get what i mean and it would take up like the whole memory card i mean there is enough data on that from the sporting games that probably adds up to the price of the ps2 memory cards or something that would be needed to equal the price i paid for that system back like a year and half ago maybe i got it only because i was away from home for college and with that at home i could take the ps2 with me and play it but at home i would play the sport games and they would play better on the xbox and stuff and then bam i got it for them and stuff you know but then the controller broke but not like this one time me and my brother were playing wwe wrestlemania something for gcn and then he had the controller pad against the carpet or something because you move the analog stick and stuff to kick out i think i was goldberg he was hhh or something no i was angle he was goldberg that sounds about right because whenever i play head to head i play angle because he's my favorite wrestler even though he got addicted to pain killers and got fired but that's not the point here the point is that the controller broke it was a purple controller and i rarely play the gcn i mean i got it when it was 150 i remember came with madden 2002 free i think but this was like in 2003 b/c madden 2002 was like old now and madden 2003 came out i think my brother got madden 2003 for the ps2 wait a minute i think it was madden 2003 that came free so then it was in 04 that i got the gcn i got it maybe two years or so before wait a minute i remember know it was during sophomore year in high school oh that was a really bad year for me but i'm not going into that but yeah it was that year okay i am a junior now in college and it is going to be 07 next springish so then you go back like soph 06 fresh 05 senior 04 junior 03 soph 02 oh my it was madden 2002 my bad folks sorry about that then did he get madden 03 i oh yeah i think he did and then it was nfl 2k4 b/c it was dirt cheap and then ea bought the rights over oh wait no it was nfl 2k5 madden 2004 for ps2 things make sense again sorry for that little thing but i was a bit confused with what madden games i have at home okay madden 2005 and madden 2006 and madden 2007 wait no madden 2005 just the other two for xbox play good i enjoy them enough really that is one of the reasons i started watching basketball and football it is because i play the games on these understand then sport more they become more fun and stuff to watch but basketball more like i would say i just started watching it because my family watched it and i had no choice and liked it baseball more of the same but football is because i played the games and then from that i checked online sites and stuff gained some knowledge so i can watch it know who is good and stuff and how defenses special teams offenses work and say man that was a bad call of 4th and long or something you know but okay back to the main point semi-point whatever i never played that gcn except for a few short periods i would those are super mario sunshine it wasn't as good as 64 at all imo but and i really didn't enjoy it but i bought it and thought it would be good and man it wasn't as good as i thought but i beat it because i do that with all my games even the really bad games otherwise i feel like i wasted my money and i did i just waste my time too doing that but it wasn't a bad game to me it was okay i mean if i have nothing better to do then i mean okay but really super mario 64 is so much better imo but then again maybe that's because i dunno but i like it lots lots more you know lots okay and then there was tales of symphonix pretty good game but i wouldn't say it was my favorite game then again it was a darn good game imo again you may not agree at all but now that i think about it i really shouldn't have bought the gcn i probably would've been better served to keep the money and buy some cyber dragon tins because i need cyber dragons just kidding i don't play yugioh at all you know the cards are dang expensive or were when chaos was legal cyber dragon could go around 80 bucks or something well at the most i would say at least 50 and the tp2 or tp3 morphing jar for like 150 this is the ur one okay but really i don't think i should've got the gcn and i really didn't enjoy it that much because i am mainly a single player game player and the games that everybody like man i really don't like them i mean everybody says zelda is the best but i can't find myself to beat that game and the metroid prime i played it but i hate first person shooters or shooters of any kind really and that man i couldn't even continue playing and then but they do have some good games like mario kart double dash i thought was good but not enough for me to really think it was the best move and really i don't see anything i want on that wii system man i look at it and the only game that interest me is the mario galaxy game but i'm a little bit you know like man it is going to be not that good it looks good from what i saw but that mouse thing is weird i don't think i'm going to enjoy using it to click from star to star on some of those levels so i'm not so sure every time nintendo makes like a zelda or mario it always gets like super reviews except that mario party game they made like 187 of them or something in 2 days i tell you and that paper mario i don't really like it because i am like man your hp is so low something about that makes me dang man i can't play that i mean 3 damage is super i mean c'mon that is crazy seriously i mean i am maybe thinking that i want my games like burger time that was an awesome game anyways i think that the diamond has the seal the deal for the ps3 it is obviously going to be the best system graphically and i mainly play multi-platform games aside from some RPG games like suikoden which are going to be on the PS3 but really i probably will end up getting none of them because i have to start studying for stuff i have this mcat book on my desk right here i've read it man that test is like man you need to study i may check out the dcat my gpa for the meds is like maybe not high enough you know but it is okay for the other stuff not 3.8 like you need to make sure you get in a little bit lower so i'm good on the other stuff and then man i should check that out the lsat is for law school law and order is one of my favorite shows so who knows oh yeah i need to take another writing course because my school only required two and i don't think that will look too good so maybe next quarter i'm thinking and then i can take that with my chinese class and then i think a bio upper division lab so i can get all my labs out of the way and what else probably a structural biochem or something i guess but really man i shouldn't have spent all this time talking about why the diamond ps3 is for me i studied a bit today and i have to say man that my teacher for bibc 102 is a bit strange not the bad strange i mean he is like talking to himself in class and he had a video to show how to sign up for sections and it was himself some students laughed and then he had him sign up for like 3 of them and said no only one some students laughed probably because they want a better grade i do too but i didn't laugh hope that doesn't hurt me and then my next class was in the same room and i saw this guy from troy high school didn't say hi or anything but anyways me him and jerry and james we played big 2 poker and that during recess and lunch break everyday for about 2 years maybe well not everyday i remember i got lazy in algebra 2 in soph year and i would do my work during like the hour before class i was at school and at lunch i was at school early because i had to get an inter district transfer to go that school because it was not my district i took a test for it and passed and got in so i went into their IB program and they had a NJROTC program so my parents just said yeah that's why we want to go there because if we said IB then they say go to Wilson which is in district and I would say no way but i never even went to that NJROTC anyways my brother also had to be driver to school and it was like a 20 minutes drive to school so what happened was i woke up at 5:40 AM every school day for four years maybe 5:50 AM it varied took my shower left for school got there maybe 6:15 and then i would wait next to my class and stuff until 7:00 when school started except my senior year for half of it because i took 6 classes and no 0 period so i started at 8:00 and since my brother was at 7:00 sent and i got there early oh i didn't have a car and stuff so i couldn't drive there so that is why man i mean i had to be sent man that was a you know man like know you know but whatever but then back to the same for senior year second half because the messed up my schedule and gave me a 0 but no 1 and in junior year i just got off early everyday left after 5th because again 6 classes instead of going 7 like fresh and soph years so in conclusion let's all buy PS3 systems.

I MIGHT STEAL A PS3 INSTEAD OF BUYING ONE.

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I knew about this, read it today morning in a greek website. I hope they do the same with the other continents

I HOPE THEY RAISE THE PRICE SO THE SYSTEM FLOPS AND THEN NINTENDO DOES THE SAME THING AND MICROSOFT FOLLOWS NINTENDO AND THEY ALL END UP SAYING DANG MAN WE ARE LOSING THIS GAMING BATTLE AND FROM THE DEPTHS OF MANKIND COME KIRKLAND GAMING: ONLY AT COSTCO

$3000 TO MAKE A PS3? MORE LIEK $494! (http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6128295.html?sid=6128295)

seriously though $399 for the PS3 doesn't look too bad to me i've got to say consdering that is like the 360 price right now w/ the hard drive man that is good news hope it is true that means i can wait a year and get the better one at $399 that is good news to me man at 600 i was dang no get 500 same thing but 399 is still bad for me but means it will got to 300 sooner where i am like maybe it is time to get it b/c that is the way i operate

EVERYBODY IT IS OFFICIAL WITH DIAMONDS IN THE SYSTEM I WILL GET A PS3

though really that is the only system with any game i will want in the next five or so years and by that i mean the suikoden series b/c everything else is like meh i hate it except mutli-console games that I play like Madden somtimes and then maybe a baseball or NBA game and then I just get the game for the system that is graphically the best and stuff because it is on all the games but seriously the xbox made playing madden a lot easier b/c i had the memory card and stuff and it would take like 4 minutes to save well not that long but you get what i mean and it would take up like the whole memory card i mean there is enough data on that from the sporting games that probably adds up to the price of the ps2 memory cards or something that would be needed to equal the price i paid for that system back like a year and half ago maybe i got it only because i was away from home for college and with that at home i could take the ps2 with me and play it but at home i would play the sport games and they would play better on the xbox and stuff and then bam i got it for them and stuff you know but then the controller broke but not like this one time me and my brother were playing wwe wrestlemania something for gcn and then he had the controller pad against the carpet or something because you move the analog stick and stuff to kick out i think i was goldberg he was hhh or something no i was angle he was goldberg that sounds about right because whenever i play head to head i play angle because he's my favorite wrestler even though he got addicted to pain killers and got fired but that's not the point here the point is that the controller broke it was a purple controller and i rarely play the gcn i mean i got it when it was 150 i remember came with madden 2002 free i think but this was like in 2003 b/c madden 2002 was like old now and madden 2003 came out i think my brother got madden 2003 for the ps2 wait a minute i think it was madden 2003 that came free so then it was in 04 that i got the gcn i got it maybe two years or so before wait a minute i remember know it was during sophomore year in high school oh that was a really bad year for me but i'm not going into that but yeah it was that year okay i am a junior now in college and it is going to be 07 next springish so then you go back like soph 06 fresh 05 senior 04 junior 03 soph 02 oh my it was madden 2002 my bad folks sorry about that then did he get madden 03 i oh yeah i think he did and then it was nfl 2k4 b/c it was dirt cheap and then ea bought the rights over oh wait no it was nfl 2k5 madden 2004 for ps2 things make sense again sorry for that little thing but i was a bit confused with what madden games i have at home okay madden 2005 and madden 2006 and madden 2007 wait no madden 2005 just the other two for xbox play good i enjoy them enough really that is one of the reasons i started watching basketball and football it is because i play the games on these understand then sport more they become more fun and stuff to watch but basketball more like i would say i just started watching it because my family watched it and i had no choice and liked it baseball more of the same but football is because i played the games and then from that i checked online sites and stuff gained some knowledge so i can watch it know who is good and stuff and how defenses special teams offenses work and say man that was a bad call of 4th and long or something you know but okay back to the main point semi-point whatever i never played that gcn except for a few short periods i would those are super mario sunshine it wasn't as good as 64 at all imo but and i really didn't enjoy it but i bought it and thought it would be good and man it wasn't as good as i thought but i beat it because i do that with all my games even the really bad games otherwise i feel like i wasted my money and i did i just waste my time too doing that but it wasn't a bad game to me it was okay i mean if i have nothing better to do then i mean okay but really super mario 64 is so much better imo but then again maybe that's because i dunno but i like it lots lots more you know lots okay and then there was tales of symphonix pretty good game but i wouldn't say it was my favorite game then again it was a darn good game imo again you may not agree at all but now that i think about it i really shouldn't have bought the gcn i probably would've been better served to keep the money and buy some cyber dragon tins because i need cyber dragons just kidding i don't play yugioh at all you know the cards are dang expensive or were when chaos was legal cyber dragon could go around 80 bucks or something well at the most i would say at least 50 and the tp2 or tp3 morphing jar for like 150 this is the ur one okay but really i don't think i should've got the gcn and i really didn't enjoy it that much because i am mainly a single player game player and the games that everybody like man i really don't like them i mean everybody says zelda is the best but i can't find myself to beat that game and the metroid prime i played it but i hate first person shooters or shooters of any kind really and that man i couldn't even continue playing and then but they do have some good games like mario kart double dash i thought was good but not enough for me to really think it was the best move and really i don't see anything i want on that wii system man i look at it and the only game that interest me is the mario galaxy game but i'm a little bit you know like man it is going to be not that good it looks good from what i saw but that mouse thing is weird i don't think i'm going to enjoy using it to click from star to star on some of those levels so i'm not so sure every time nintendo makes like a zelda or mario it always gets like super reviews except that mario party game they made like 187 of them or something in 2 days i tell you and that paper mario i don't really like it because i am like man your hp is so low something about that makes me dang man i can't play that i mean 3 damage is super i mean c'mon that is crazy seriously i mean i am maybe thinking that i want my games like burger time that was an awesome game anyways i think that the diamond has the seal the deal for the ps3 it is obviously going to be the best system graphically and i mainly play multi-platform games aside from some RPG games like suikoden which are going to be on the PS3 but really i probably will end up getting none of them because i have to start studying for stuff i have this mcat book on my desk right here i've read it man that test is like man you need to study i may check out the dcat my gpa for the meds is like maybe not high enough you know but it is okay for the other stuff not 3.8 like you need to make sure you get in a little bit lower so i'm good on the other stuff and then man i should check that out the lsat is for law school law and order is one of my favorite shows so who knows oh yeah i need to take another writing course because my school only required two and i don't think that will look too good so maybe next quarter i'm thinking and then i can take that with my chinese class and then i think a bio upper division lab so i can get all my labs out of the way and what else probably a structural biochem or something i guess but really man i shouldn't have spent all this time talking about why the diamond ps3 is for me i studied a bit today and i have to say man that my teacher for bibc 102 is a bit strange not the bad strange i mean he is like talking to himself in class and he had a video to show how to sign up for sections and it was himself some students laughed and then he had him sign up for like 3 of them and said no only one some students laughed probably because they want a better grade i do too but i didn't laugh hope that doesn't hurt me and then my next class was in the same room and i saw this guy from troy high school didn't say hi or anything but anyways me him and jerry and james we played big 2 poker and that during recess and lunch break everyday for about 2 years maybe well not everyday i remember i got lazy in algebra 2 in soph year and i would do my work during like the hour before class i was at school and at lunch i was at school early because i had to get an inter district transfer to go that school because it was not my district i took a test for it and passed and got in so i went into their IB program and they had a NJROTC program so my parents just said yeah that's why we want to go there because if we said IB then they say go to Wilson which is in district and I would say no way but i never even went to that NJROTC anyways my brother also had to be driver to school and it was like a 20 minutes drive to school so what happened was i woke up at 5:40 AM every school day for four years maybe 5:50 AM it varied took my shower left for school got there maybe 6:15 and then i would wait next to my class and stuff until 7:00 when school started except my senior year for half of it because i took 6 classes and no 0 period so i started at 8:00 and since my brother was at 7:00 sent and i got there early oh i didn't have a car and stuff so i couldn't drive there so that is why man i mean i had to be sent man that was a you know man like know you know but whatever but then back to the same for senior year second half because the messed up my schedule and gave me a 0 but no 1 and in junior year i just got off early everyday left after 5th because again 6 classes instead of going 7 like fresh and soph years so in conclusion let's all buy PS3 systems.

Can I use that wall of text to build myself a nice little house?

I knew about this, read it today morning in a greek website. I hope they do the same with the other continents

Only time will tell. 95% of me feels that other countries will still have to pay the original price, but there's still that 5% that feels Sony will possibly not screw us so hard come Nov. 17.

$3000 TO MAKE A PS3? MORE LIEK $494! (http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6128295.html?sid=6128295)

Different estimates depending on who you talk to.

More like $900 (http://www.techliberation.com/archives/040588.php).

TL;DR version:



This source says $800 per unit (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060219-6216.html).

Some of the blog links I saw in the Google search I ran to get these links talked about problems in production failures having cost Sony enough to essentially triple their overall costs trying to meet the production goals for their launch deadline in the rejected units, but didn't provide a source; so my previous estimate still holds up.

lol, so now it has gone from a cooly stated fact to an "estimate" backed up by vague statements from mysterious blog links

lol, so now it has gone from a cooly stated fact to an "estimate" backed up by vague statements from mysterious blog links

Seeing as I have never come across a blog that gave out incorrect information, it is still pretty much a coolly stated fact.