I was considering getting this game even if it did get mediocre ratings (7.5 at the least), but these ratings just plain old suck.

http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/924449.asp

You really shouldn't promote the random idea that Dirge of Cerberus sucks due to some ratings. If you're initially interested with the product try it out for yourself and make your own assumptions.

Video game magazines and wesbites shouldn't make up your mind for you. But thanks for the tip.

But it's not that simple. i'm not a rich guy. You could even go as far to say that i am a cheap bastard. This the closest resource I have to being reliable. I'm interested, I just don't feel like spending money unless im sure it's worth the buy. Thanks for the advice though.

Blockbuster, ftw!

Believe me, there are more people like you than most of us think. I know exactly how you feel. Just save up a little cash every week or so. And soon enough, you'll have enough for (insert game here/ DoC) and/or a rainy day ^^

You really shouldn't promote the random idea that Dirge of Cerberus sucks due to some ratings. If you're initially interested with the product try it out for yourself and make your own assumptions.

Video game magazines and wesbites shouldn't make up your mind for you. But thanks for the tip.

Well said, buuuuuuuut......

Magazines and websites are there to help us. I rarely buy games so i`d consult a number of magazines or websites before i buy. Of course, when i say "Magazines and websites" i don`t mean anything that`s "official". I`ll consult an independent source and then make my decision from there. Sure you`ll have a few reviews that praise it too much or put it down too much but once you find reviews that agree on a rating it`s usually a good indication on how good the game is. Those reviews weighed up with my love for the genre in question and my interest in the game is what would make me want, or not want to buy the game.

As for DoC, i couldn`t be arsed. I`m not done with The Warriors yet, love.~

it's a good game

that's all i wanna say

i've played the japanese for a few minutes, and find it interesting and fun to play

and this game is not for ffvii fanboy

its a good game, and i am a FF follower.

Blockbuster, ftw!

yeah, rent it.

Also 7.5 isn't mediocre really is it?

yeah, rent it.

Also 7.5 isn't mediocre really is it?

Yes, it is.

its going to suck

By the time I am done renting it, I would already be finished the game. Plus, if you rent it and decide to buy it, you spent even more money for it. Best thing to do is borrow a friend's copy.

But all my friends heard it sucked so they didn't get it. They're all mostly into madden and Fifa games anyway

the game is unbalivable, Great Directing and cuts in the scenes, i made it very far and couldve ended the game by now, yeah, its not that long if you dont want to score Rank S in every mission, and unlock the secrets.

the CG and the whole talking scenes are superb, i just want to play it again.

the story is so great that they let it be connected with the original game in p.s 1, as there is something to be Linked Very strongly, you can say, the whole game and story couldve been added to the 1st R.P.G ame, or made a FF7-2 like FF10-2, but because its Vincent story and square wanted it to be more action game than a role-playing, we got this game as it now.

i again say this game is not easy, thats why the low ranking, the Auto-lock target system shouldve been here in this game, strange it wasnt included[as in KH and FF12].

yeah, I'd expect the cutscenes, graphics, voice acting, and story to be good. It's enix's specialty. But enix has little expierence with hacknslash shooter games, and that's a large part of this game.

you mean its square speciality and not enix.

and the action if you are a newbie to it its hard and will let youre life harder to, but as a proffesional [or oldy at the moment] its Good.

No, believe me, I've played all the good actions (God of War DMC1/3, Ninja Gaiden etc.) and I've played this a bit. The action sucks. period. The action in DoC goes a couple steps below decent.

my friend has it and he says that its fun, but they could've done a better job (i guess with the fighting style and stuff)

Well, I'll say this game is like you played "Devil May Cray Series". :)

Blockbuster + 300GB HD in my PS2 = $7 games.

No, believe me, I've played all the good actions (God of War DMC1/3, Ninja Gaiden etc.) and I've played this a bit. The action sucks. period. The action in DoC goes a couple steps below decent.


then you didnt play enough more, the action is good full stop.

nice saying ANTHONY

Well, I'll say this game is like you played "Devil May Cray Series". :)

it's about as good as DMC 2.

So now that I have gotten more into the game I can say I love it. It just keeps getting better. -fin-

So now that I have gotten more into the game I can say I love it. It just keeps getting better. -fin-


and it well be more better when you face Azul in the showdown [this isnt a spoiler].

well, of course God of War and DMC 3 is better

but this game is good too (better than Castlevania Lament of Innocence) and my personal rating is 8/10

I have to agree with d empiror i hae also beaten it and thought it was a great game. At first i checked the ratings and of course they were bad but i went with my gut feeling and wasnt disappointed this game is great great action scenes and the gameplay is pretty dam good. Its a bit short but its the kind of game that you can play over and over again. I really didnt understand why it got such low ratings maybe because it wasnt like any other FF but it wasnt supposed to be or maybe because its a lot like devil may cry but it was still a great game and worth the money. Some things could have been fixed though like not being able to jump over simple obstucles more weapons and if your a Red XIII fan he plays an unfairly small part in the game in which it is 2 seconds long and he doesnt ove or talk but the rest of te crew plays a pretty big part especially Yuffie and Reeve. well thats my opinion hope i didnt put anyone to sleep or spoil it.

I really didnt understand why it got such low ratings maybe because it wasnt like any other FF

i agree with this

I made an account for a couple of reasons, and while i'm here, i'll pitch a bit.


i've played the japanese for a few minutes, and find it interesting and fun to play
A couple of minutes? It takes a couple of minutes to deside if a game is worth playing, in the same sence that it takes more than a drive around the block to deside that you are an expert driver. Trust me, the first 5 minutes were entertaining in this game, the rest of it I spend cussing myself out because I wasted my hard earned money on this. And yes, I have backing up.

I would first like to state, that I have dubed this game the son of "The Bouncer"


the game is unbalivable, Great Directing and cuts in the scenes, i made it very far and couldve ended the game by now, yeah, its not that long if you dont want to score Rank S in every mission, and unlock the secrets. Great Direction? Cut Scenes? Bah! This game has "Edgy" and "Angsty" written all over it, i've been "Zmg Helicopter, lets stand up like a tough guy infront of it" and "Zmg their dogs! Lets use this gun that is conviently put into this truck to defend ourselves, than jump up ontop of the roof of the van and be a badass!"'d out. This game TRUELY worked at my last nerve.

The game is not long at all. The controls are god-awful and slugish, and yes, i've tried to play the game with the keyboard and mouse setup, and it was still not as responsive as I would have liked it. The camera view is much easier to use in first person. That is when your not too busy swiching back INTO that view mode after some stupid cutscene comes about with some baddie taunting you. I was gobsmacked to say the least that this game still spent too much of its time in the graphics department, and not enough in the gameplay AFTER Square Enix (who was spanked in japanese reviews for this game, and the US circuit followed suit). Its like a model, pretty (for its generation, the textures are still dull and its very visabley so.) The charm of a game that the developer opted to make because it has a passion is not there. It is completely apparent that this is Squares milk-cow, and they're going to milk you, the same way that they do with every japanese final fantasy game with their "World Editions" (which I wouldn't be suprised if that came of this, heh.)

The story? Completely transparent, and half-done. I will not go into this subject for the ladies and gents who have not played this, or whom have not completed this ~_^

I can COMPLETELY see what reviewers reemed this game on, and I AM a final fantasy fan, this game reeks of "The Bouncer" and is a half done, half explorable adventure game. WITH STEVEN BLOOM. Don't get me wrong, I love d Steve as Spike Spiegel (Nice Avatar there OP of this thread :P ) I grew to hate him as Onizuka, and now I want to claw my ears out whenever I hear his voice. ALSO Cait Sith should NOT have an accient that originates from the British Isles >.>

An oppinion is an oppinion though, i'm sure some of you enjoyed the game, through and through. I did not. and my reasoning pretty much falls in sync with what reviewers are saying.


you mean its square speciality and not enix.Woah woah woah there champ. I happened to enjoy the visual style to Dragon Quest VIII very much. I think they can milk the PS2 much more effectively (I.E. not using textures as heavily) than Square has ever done. While it was cartoony, I was drawn into the story, and the world. Also the Sound Direction in DQVIII was quite nice :3

RE4, ffxii, ffx-2, grandia 3, god of war are a good example of which after i playing it for only a few minutes and already found it interesting and good to play

the same goes to DOC

As of this morning, I have officially played DoC. My thoughts:

It is like Devil May Cry...


Undead/demon uses special skills to defeat monsters
Kills his way to the truth
Broken into missions
Graded at end of mission
EXP gained at end of mission
Includes guns


It is better than Devil May Cry...


Gorgeous graphics, made with the same engine as Advent Children
Cameos from FF7


It is worse than Devil May Cry...


Unintuitive controls
Camera gets too close to Vincent, hard to see enemies
Attempted tie-ins with FF7, some left contradictions
Easy EXP build-up (you can save your EXP after you're defeated)
Ridiculous "Secret Mission" gimmick on Amp'd Mobile that lets you play a secret chapter, only available for three months on cell phones


It's not a bad game like I originally thought, but it doesn't stand out either. I think I'll stick with DMC.

kirra, zip it.

kirra, zip it.Oh. Excuse me for stating my oppinion. God forbid that anyone should not like a game that you do. Is my oppinion not valid just because I did not like the game?

Kirra presented herself with a good post and proved you wrong d empiror


Welcome to the forums Kirra

I dont care if it was the worst game in world I am going to force myself to like it because I am Final Fantasy 7 fan and anyone that is a fan would agree with me.

The only reason it is like DMC is because of the colors, and the fact that Vincent turns into a Demon thingamabobber.

Neither of these are really rip offs considering they've been around since FF7

it's about as good as DMC 2.

which was fucking shit!

=( I hope this game doesnt suck as much as dmc 2 :(

i heard that you cannot get head shots if this is true man that is shit.

Of course u can get headshots what moran told u that? there always criticals too.

which was fucking shit!

=( I hope this game doesnt suck as much as dmc 2 :(

Sadly, it does.

How could that be? You think they'd make something more than a cash crop. They had an excellent character and continuity, how could they have gone wrong? Question:

Shoot exploding barrels to save ammo.

I didn't know it was out yet, but I'm a fan of those kinds of shooter games. I don't go by rankings or anything, I go by what I say. I'll rent it and see for myself.

It's a shooter made by RPG geeks for RPG geeks. Derive from that what you will.


I dont care if it was the worst game in world I am going to force myself to like it because I am Final Fantasy 7 fan and anyone that is a fan would agree with me.

Well you see, this is what keeps them producing mediocre spinoff games. They think that if we're hardcore enough, we'll love it so much that we can look past the flaws and there's no need to fix them. This is why we cannot force ourselves to love it - doing so would get them to develop a better game.

I don't go by rankings or anything, I go by what I say.

same with me

I love this game just as much as I did the original FFVII. Which makes it my 2nd favorite game of all time.

I dont care if it was the worst game in world I am going to force myself to like it because I am Final Fantasy 7 fan and anyone that is a fan would agree with me.

yet another fanboy........................when will it end?

I figured the game would bomb, but think about it. It's Squresoft err- Enix first time at a FPS, and they probably focused more on the storyline. But, I have to get the game nonetheless.

It's Squresoft err- Enix first time at a FPSWoah there, slow down. Takayoshi Nakazato spearheaded this game, the same guy who was head for Final Fantasy X and X-2. Final Fantasy X being made in 2001, two years before (then) Enix America Inc. and Enix Co. [japanese branch] merged with Square, which ties him to the Square side of things.

If you guys go spend your money on this- hey it's your money. Just know that you are lowering the bar for Square-Enix. As they ARE aware that you will buy any game that they put out on the market, regardless of Story, Gameplay, and other features, instead of a fanbase whom demands a quality product from developer.

Calm down, I know all about the merge, it was just a joke. And, Square-Enix will take notice of the crappy reviews of the game, and the probably low number of copies sold.

Calm down, I know all about the merge, it was just a joke. And, Square-Enix will take notice of the crappy reviews of the game, and the probably low number of copies sold.Who said I was worked up or excited? XD
The sad thing is, no matter how low the review scores were, it has been proven that people will mindlessly buy this game because of of the Square tag on it, while this IS sad, trade in's don't take any money out of the developer's pocket. You purchased their product, thats all they care about (I.E. Madden $hitball)

I have played it and it is not that bad of a game. It has a pretty cool story line and cool costumizable guns. The controls are a little sensitive and bullets are kind of hard to come by. Other than that it is a fun game. Maybe Square Enix will learn from its misstakes and make a better FPS next time. If there is a next time.

and the probably low number of copies sold.

in japan, it is sold over 500000 copies

in japan, it is sold over 500000 copies

500000 copies for 500000 FF VII fanboys.

hmmm dunno about that but i buy it too

For anyone who has not bought this game yet, please rent it first.

Please don't support shitty add-on games

thanks for the advice

how about having tea at my place?

jolly good

and after that we can play DOC together haha just kidding

Ohh in that case, I think I'm going to be in the hospital then so i cant have tea with you.

*shoots self in the stomach with a nail gun"

It's anyone's opinion, but I personally am ambitious about owning every FF out there, so I would've got it regardless of how much it sucked.

in japan, it is sold over 500000 copies

That's a crapload of copies sold! But like Van Finel said, 500000 fanboys, and fangirls....

That's a crapload of copies sold! But like Van Finel said, 500000 fanboys, and fangirls....

Yup and nothing screams more "fangirl support" then Gackt.

its going to suck
I was worng about this game, it is pretty good the controls are a little hard to get used to but past that its easy.

A video store is for hiring out games, trying them and if you dont like it you've only wasted $2! get over it! test it out before you decide it sucks!

I'm actually surprised at how DOC received so many bad reviews...I didn't think the game was that bad (and I'm usually a tough game critic).

The only thing I woulda changed was the length and difficulty of the game (too short and too easy).

maybe some more cg scenes of Cloud and the others would be nice too..

I thought the game was mostly alright...I think mediocre is the right word.
But I'm not finished with it yet--so I'll have to wait and see....

This is my first third-person shooter, but not my first action-RPG...my first was DMC3:SE.
I think that might have set my standards on the high end (=] A wonderful, well-designed game!), but I really think DoC had so much potential that wasn't fulfilled....
I really loved the FMVs, though...

I just wish the SquareEnix focused on its gameplay more, too....they could have taken looks at other games in similar genres, and learned some things from them....
Blizzard did the same, except in the MMORPG genre...they looked at other MMORPGs and found what things were often problems, and what things they thought would be fun to add....and they nearly topped the genre on their first try.

I think Squarenix didn't do too badly.....
But they definitely could have done better...!

Neither Dirge of Cerberus nor Devil May Cry were "action RPGs." Both of them are third-person shooters. Nothing more or less.

I thought DevilMayCry didn't rely so heavily on shooting (and didn't have an aiming feature) as Dirge of Cerberus did....
>>
I didn't know how to separate them since the feeling of the two seemed different enough to be different genres, but also had some similarities, so I decided to say it that way...XP

Oh--!
Do you have anything to say about the other things I've said?

(Hmf. You talk about other people missing the point of your posts, but the fact that I said "third person shooter" and "action RPG" while referring to both DMC and DoC in the same sentence wasn't the point of MY post. :o)

As of this morning, I have officially played DoC.
Gorgeous graphics, made with the same engine as Advent Children

just to let you know, Advent Children was pre-rendered.....pre-rendered = no engine needed.....i know you're gonna say that they used the same equipment to create both AC and DoC, but if you think about it....the same technology was also used to create Spirits Within and A Bug's Life....the difference lies in the execution of the product

as for the notion that the graphics are superior to DMC3....even if they are...i'm too busy trying NOT to get creamed in Dante Must Die mode to notice anything else other than the enemies.....as for DoC....the mediocre environments blow, but were the only thing that entertained me as i busted this game up at a friend's house.....on "Extra Hard" mode....this game offers no challenge whatsoever, so don't go and compare it to a game that would show you how many ways it can fry your sorry ass (like DMC3 or Ninja Gaiden)

In my opinion this game could have been alot better. The way Vincent moved in the game was...welll..weird. I really didn't like it. Vincent is such a cool character and then they had to make him a main character of a crappy game like that. I expected more from Square enix and what is with that Yuffie and Vincent thing. They make them so close.

Neither Dirge of Cerberus nor Devil May Cry were "action RPGs." Both of them are third-person shooters. Nothing more or less.

I always thought of DMC as a Hack N Slash kind of game

Almost every shooter out there gives you some form of melee ability. Doom gave you a chainsaw, but it was still a shooter, not a hack & slash. ;)

Hack in slash.nice way to put it

Well my impression of this game was pretty good. I rented it for about a week and a half. Beat it on hard mode and started up the optional bits. I personaly liked the game a ton. Also, I'm pretty sure there will be some form of sequel to this, anyone who say the Gackt part at the end would know it. The games flaws that I saw were an extreme lack of bullets and some very crappy cut scenes and game play towards the end.

I thought that the cut secenes took up most of the game. I mean half of the play time that it took a person to beat the game came from cut scence . I mean the graphics where nice i'll give them that but Vincent is awesome and this he did not deserve this game he deserved better.

i think all the people that wasted money on this shithole deserved to be slapped and told that there are better ways to spend 50 bucks
50 bucks...that could get me to 2 gigs of DDR when you combine it with what's currently in my wallet

i think all the people that wasted money on this shithole deserved to be slapped and told that there are better ways to spend 50 bucks


qft

I played that before. It's so stupid. I'm glad I didn't waste any money on it.

The sad thing is, this game had so much potential. A great choice of character in the way that he was kind of like the original Dante. Enix could have been creative with this, but they chose to do a rush job and produce a piece of shit not worth mentioning.

Exactly. They did the same exact thing to Devil May Cry 2. Pure bullshit.

Luckily the Devil May Cry series learned from their mistake and made a better game next time

I agree that this was a pretty mediocre game, but what got me the most was the story. While some of you said it sucked i thought it was cool, BUT they made it way too...epic of a story for a spinoff of Vincent. I mean, it makes the problems in AC or the original game seem small(maybe not the original, Sephiroth was badass). All the underground parts of the Shin-ra and the whole research into Omega through Vincent was crazy, too much. This kind of story definately should have been used in a FF VII-2 if anything.

But I still liked the game,I think mostly cause I dont care for action games so I cant really compare it to anything.

I agree that this was a pretty mediocre game, but what got me the most was the story. While some of you said it sucked i thought it was cool, BUT they made it way too...epic of a story for a spinoff of Vincent. I mean, it makes the problems in AC or the original game seem small(maybe not the original, Sephiroth was badass). All the underground parts of the Shin-ra and the whole research into Omega through Vincent was crazy, too much. This kind of story definately should have been used in a FF VII-2 if anything.

But I still liked the game,I think mostly cause I dont care for action games so I cant really compare it to anything.

*sigh*...yet again with the whole "epic story" banter...look past the patchwork storyline, see that they're milking the series, and move on to better games

*edit* here's something to keep you from throwing "epic" around like you know what it means http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/epic
as you can see...it's an extended narrative or poem...even though there are other entries that describe a journey made by a larger-than-life hero, DoC's storyline fails to fulfill any sort or length requirement in order to even be considered epic

Ultimately, the research into Vincent and his chaos form predates his life, and the weapon Omega seemed like such an important entity that the life of an entire planet was meaningless before it. Things like that seem pretty epic even when condensed into a 5 hour or less game. Your telling me that if you seen something like that above your city, eating away at all the life in it, you would look up and in a smart-ass tone say "this hardly qualifies as epic". Vincents journey to becoming a hero was indeed life-long, thus epic.

I understand its a game too, dony get me wrong. Im not so into it I beleive this stuff is real. And I see how much Square is milking FFVII, but I think the people who go on about it are senseless. EVERY game company is milking everyone. If I was making that kind of money off games, especially if it was one series in particular, I would milk the hell out of it. Dont tell me you wouldnt. It would be sweet to make money off your shit. Leave the FFVII freaks alone.

I understand its a game too, dony get me wrong. Im not so into it I beleive this stuff is real. And I see how much Square is milking FFVII, but I think the people who go on about it are senseless. EVERY game company is milking everyone. If I was making that kind of money off games, especially if it was one series in particular, I would milk the hell out of it. Dont tell me you wouldnt. It would be sweet to make money off your shit. Leave the FFVII freaks alone.

I'm not going to lie, I like FF VII, I don't think its the best game in the world and i think it is overrated. I honestly have nothing wrong with FF VII freaks. It's when the freaks start parading the game around like it was the best invention ever made and then when asked why they think its a good game they reply by saying something like "CLOUDS HAIR WAS SOOOOO COOOL AND HE HAD A HUGE SWORD THAT WAS FREEKIN SWEET!"

Lol.

I didn't really like FFVII. Sure it's a good game, but to me it's kinda boring alot of times. But so far I like this one. I'm not done with the game yet, but I think it's pretty good.

Something that would be cool though is if they made FFVIII's battle system real-time. Buuut, that's just an idea I have...

Ultimately, the research into Vincent and his chaos form predates his life, and the weapon Omega seemed like such an important entity that the life of an entire planet was meaningless before it. Things like that seem pretty epic even when condensed into a 5 hour or less game. Your telling me that if you seen something like that above your city, eating away at all the life in it, you would look up and in a smart-ass tone say "this hardly qualifies as epic". Vincents journey to becoming a hero was indeed life-long, thus epic.

I understand its a game too, dony get me wrong. Im not so into it I beleive this stuff is real. And I see how much Square is milking FFVII, but I think the people who go on about it are senseless. EVERY game company is milking everyone. If I was making that kind of money off games, especially if it was one series in particular, I would milk the hell out of it. Dont tell me you wouldnt. It would be sweet to make money off your shit. Leave the FFVII freaks alone.

READ MY POST DUMBASS!!
if i saw something like that above my head, i wouldn't think about anything else asides from "GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE"
forgive me if i make an effort to educate myself, but if you even READ my post you'd see that your use of the term "epic" is incorrect and should not be used to describe the story that takes place in such a short, simple, terribly-easy game

by the way...i choose to be a smart-ass as much as you're a dumbass
and don't try to get into an argument with me, you'll just end up humiliating yourself

If there was any argument started it wasnt from me but you,lol.
I wont humiliate myself on a board, I dont know anyone personally so I dont care what you think.
And im sorry Im not a walking dictionary.Maybe I was just trying to see it from Squares point of view.THEY might see it as an epic storyline because its history predates FFVIIs.

Well, Square is the company who thought their games were RPGs, so I wouldn't put it past them to be under the mistaken impression that DoC was epic.

haha

maybe i should put up a list of criteria that define RPGs and list the lack thereof in Square's games next time...but i gotta take a crap (which i have to admit is far more entertaining than FFVII's storyline)

go take a crap...
then come back and post that RPG criteria.

I'm actually surprised at how DOC received so many bad reviews...I didn't think the game was that bad (and I'm usually a tough game critic).

The only thing I woulda changed was the length and difficulty of the game (too short and too easy).

maybe some more cg scenes of Cloud and the others would be nice too..

In my opinion Dirge had alot of hate mail for one reason only, they changed the whole battle system and lost the turn based RPG style attack system that FF is remembered for most vividly.. When they removed it from the game they basically made "Devil may cry" meets "007" and you know thats accurate if you ever played Dirge and the games i stated lol.. I like the game though.. It's has beautiful CG and a decent story.. I stress "decent" lol.. But when I look back at all the FF games and what a real FF game is "to me" i will never consider Dirge or FF12, True FF games.. something was lost along the way with new story guys and developers trying to "modernise" it.. well, a word of advice for u haktards... If it ain't broke, don't fix the shit.. Your slowly ruining a Game I have been playing for about 17 years, can you please stop now?

Ever since they went from 2-d to 3-d the story started taking a constipated shit and this is the result.. We have pretty, but "pointless" CG..lol.. No, the game is not ruined, but it's not the game I fell in love with, thats for sure..

lol
i had so much fun defecating that i forgot to post it...it's not much of a list but i found an entry in an encyclopedia that explained the concept of an RPG

"At their core, roleplaying games are a form of interactive and collaborative storytelling. Simple forms of roleplaying exist in traditional children's games such as "cops and robbers", "cowboys and Indians" and "playing house". Roleplaying games add a level of sophistication to this basic idea; unlike a child who just wants to feel like a cowboy for a few minutes, a group of adults in roleplaying game will generate specific characters and an ongoing plot. A consistent system of rules and realistic setting in games aids suspension of disbelief. The level of realism in games ranges from just enough internal consistency to set up a believable story or credible challenge to full-blown simulations of real-world processes.

Role-playing games are rarely played to "win". The goal for many RPGs is to reproduce the enjoyment of a film or a novel. Like serials or novel sequences, these episodic games are often played in weekly sessions over a period of months or even years, although some gamers prefer playing one session games. Some find other reasons to play. According to Andrew Rilstone, the purpose of role-playing games is to create stories; whereas according Tracy Hickman, roleplaying is an exploration of ethical choice.

Interactivity is the crucial difference between roleplaying games and traditional fiction. Whereas a viewer of a television show is a passive observer, a player at a roleplaying game makes choices that propel the action. Such role-playing games extend an older tradition of storytelling games where a small party of friends collaborates on a unique adventure."

as you can see, RPGs are at heart a form of interactive storytelling where players assume roles and rarely have the goal of "winning" in mind...so in other words, RPGs have no end and are completely open to the whims of the players
how can you have a true RPG when you play through a pre-determined story that eventually ends and are played by ONE person?

True, that's pretty much the gist of what RPGs are. And my friend keeps telling me FF are RPGs because you assume the role of someone else and you sometimes make their choice (which doesn't affect the storyline which I think is kinda stupid).

Then I questioned about the story ending. If it ended, how can you keep assuming his role if the story is done? Don't get me wrong, I like stories but I don't like it when those games are called true RPGs.

Same, here. I hate it how people don't know anything about the gameplay of a game and only the story. They're like, "OMFG! THAT WAS LIKE ONE OF THE BEST STORIES OF MY,LIKE ,GAMING HISTORY! THAT IS SO AN RPG GAME! LOL! FF7 PWNS ALL AND WILL RULE THE WORLD!"

See what I mean? I feel like literally getting a chainsaw and rip them to shreds cause they assume good stories instantly means to them that they are RPG's.

Whilst I may add to this RPG topic, DoC sucks majorly. I'm not going to go any futher than the gameplay sucks cause I'm pretty sure it's already being discussed.

True, that's pretty much the gist of what RPGs are. And my friend keeps telling me FF are RPGs because you assume the role of someone else and you sometimes make their choice (which doesn't affect the storyline which I think is kinda stupid).

This non-point's been posted several times, and there's an obvious answer to that, which has also been posted several times. Following that logic, EVERY game is an RPG. Metroid's suddenly an RPG because you "play as" Samus. Frickin' Super Mario Bros is an RPG, because you "play as" Mario.

I dunno... the game does seem short and for an action game, it lacks some elements. But I usually go for the storylines in games, and DoC has a decent plot. Depends on who you are really. If you love FFVII and Vincent, you'll probably like the game dispite the crappy battlesystem.

Sorry to revive this topic from about a week ago, but let me just say this is one of the best ideas SE had. I own it, and I'm playing it as I write this.

Sorry to revive this topic from about a week ago, but let me just say this is one of the best ideas SE had. I own it, and I'm playing it as I write this.

Too keep yourself from looking like a complete idiot, please explain why you think this is "one of the best ideas SE had"

the problem with this game is that too many people are comparing it to devil may cry. ITS NOTHING FUCKING LIKE IT! ...AT ALL!!!

i bought it yesterday and yeah okay, its got guns and melee weapons, and you can upgrade them with gil, but thats where the similarities end.

from what ive played so far (im only at the start of mission 3 as ive been working) , it plays much more like a fps. the aiming/movement system are identical to most fps games. in fact, the manual even says you can use a usb mouse/keyboard to play it.

im more than happy to play games based on the final fantasy worlds that arent rpgs. the cutscenes/voice acting/graphics are all great and the fmv movies, imo, are possibly better than advent children graphically.

stop complaining. if you dont like it, square-enix arent gonna kill you if you dont buy it.
im just chuffed to see some ff7 towns/locations with updated graphics and to be able to run around them in 3d shooting things lol

haha dumbass fanboy

the problem with this game is that too many people are comparing it to devil may cry. ITS NOTHING FUCKING LIKE IT! ...AT ALL!!!

i bought it yesterday and yeah okay, its got guns and melee weapons, and you can upgrade them with gil, but thats where the similarities end.

from what ive played so far (im only at the start of mission 3 as ive been working) , it plays much more like a fps. the aiming/movement system are identical to most fps games. in fact, the manual even says you can use a usb mouse/keyboard to play it.

im more than happy to play games based on the final fantasy worlds that arent rpgs. the cutscenes/voice acting/graphics are all great and the fmv movies, imo, are possibly better than advent children graphically.

stop complaining. if you dont like it, square-enix arent gonna kill you if you dont buy it.
im just chuffed to see some ff7 towns/locations with updated graphics and to be able to run around them in 3d shooting things lol

you're right...it's nothing like Devil May Cry
Devil May Cry was everything that Dirge of Cerberus wasn't...i.e. a good game

and stop complaining when people say that DoC was a piss-poor game at best, it's not gonna hurt you to ignore the truth

btw...if you like graphics so much, why don't you build yourself a good gaming PC so you can see what good graphics are

oh wait...you're a fanboy...so you obviously don't have the money to build one, since you threw it all away on piece-of-shit FFVII merchandise

Honestly, they should have may it into a movie. And the storyline is not as interesting as Cloud's.

Firstly, this is not a flame. This is a critique of a popular cult game based on the Square-Enix universe of Final Fantasy Seven.

the problem with this game is that too many people are comparing it to devil may cry. ITS NOTHING FUCKING LIKE IT! ...AT ALL!!!

i bought it yesterday and yeah okay, its got guns and melee weapons, and you can upgrade them with gil, but thats where the similarities end.

from what ive played so far (im only at the start of mission 3 as ive been working) , it plays much more like a fps. the aiming/movement system are identical to most fps games. in fact, the manual even says you can use a usb mouse/keyboard to play it.

im more than happy to play games based on the final fantasy worlds that arent rpgs. the cutscenes/voice acting/graphics are all great and the fmv movies, imo, are possibly better than advent children graphically.

stop complaining. if you dont like it, square-enix arent gonna kill you if you dont buy it.
im just chuffed to see some ff7 towns/locations with updated graphics and to be able to run around them in 3d shooting things lol

That's interesting. Too bad it was hyped up to appeal to that consumer fanbase right? Oh, no, that was just Squenix lying about their product- Oh. Sorry, I'm not living in Crazy Backwards Time Bizzarro Universe. Here, it was advertised as competition towards the DMC franchise with a character from a saturated series with the same appeal as Dante ( "BADASS LOL" anti-hero type, with demonic/vampiric/occult appeal).

The controls should have been kept in line with DMC's. As it is, they mostly get a clunky system of 'COULD'VE BEENS' when they should have had a solid system of accomplishments. "Oh, boy, I can link my keyboard/mouse up to my PS2 so the controls suck LESS!". No dice, they should've got it right the first time.

As for playing in FF7's world, that's a good choice based on sales and fanboyism, but I think it's over-saturated. It's just too much put on one particular game of the series. Personally, I think it'd be more interesting to see them put twists on the other games in the series. No, not FFVII, I mean the other gam- (Fanboys: You mean Final fantasy seven?!)No, NOT Final Fantasy Se- (Fanboys: FF7?!) N- (FANBOYS: CLOUD?!? SEPHIROTH!!!!! ONE WINGED A-) Oh.... what's the use?

The voice-acting worked, and I was impressed at that. It was a step-up from FFX, Advent Children and Kingdom Hearts' Square-board.

The story was boring, in my opinion. Vincent is a good side character but he is simply too wooden to (FANBOYS: NO HES HARDCORE BADASS DUBLE GUNZZZ)... too wooden to really play a believable role other than a Japanese version of Anorexic Demon Pale Rambo. I like Stallone better, anyway.

Cutscenes and graphics are basic Square stuff. Which means it looks great. Square has a VERY talented graphics department that suffers from boring art direction (FANBOYS: WE LOVE NOMURA NOMURA NOMURA NOMURA NOMURA)...and that's just who I was talking about. Nomura has seen a decline in the quality of art, with a progressive increase in the quality of CG Graphics (Technology though, not Nomura's dept.). Amano really wasn't much better, since everyone he drew was an albino giant with anorexia. Graphics was the same thing Advent Children drew on, as well as fanboy appeal, and Surprise! They were both disappointments story-wise with bland and re-hashed looking character designs. Huh.

"stop complaining." Well, that sure stopped me in my tracks. Ever heard of Voltaire? Look him up some time.

All in all, DoC was painfully mediocre, but pretty. Sort of like Momrouy.
I'd give it a: 5.5/10.
Try again Squenix, you can do better than this.
Now I will beat a hasty retreat from my lynching soon-to-come. Luckily, I think I can outrun most of them, they look pretty tired already and the 700 pound battle ram child seems to have had a heart attack.

I'm with Troubadour on this one, too. Doc was disappointing. I rented it over the holiday, knowing full well what to expect, and got pissed off once I started the first level.

1) Movement: Vincent, in the cut-scenes, is bouncing around like a hyper-active 4-year-old on Christmas Eve pwning enemies left and right with his awesome weaponry and sleek moves while still maintaining his bad ass character appeal. Completely disregarding all of the reviews that rant about the limited movement, the intro brainwashes me into thinking that you can do that. No. You can't. By far. (...) There seemed to be a large problem with invisible walls and a severe lack in exploration. You can't dodge, you can't block, and every enemy has a good aim (unlike the cut-scenes). You can't wall-jump, jump on to ladders (yet you can jump off of them..), and when you play as Chaos, you don't fly!? I thought Chaos had wings and was flying around a second ago in that cut-scene... "Must've been my imagination or maybe I'm still not used to this feeling of being 'cheated' or 'chained down'..."

2) Controls: Whatever happened to Z-targeting, or locking on, or something that works? By the time you get 2/3 of the game finished, you finally begin to get the hang of the targeting system (if indeed you'd call it a 'system').

3) Art: Every game has it's style. For example, FFX's style is that farmer over-alls/hobo swim-wear appeal that, though I never liked it, it worked for the game because it was unique and based around the ocean. I'm aware that Nomura's art is good. But why does everyone have to look like they were ripped out of Kingdom Hearts? Like Vincent's in-game hair.. why is it pointed in that Nomura-fashion? It's not like that in the cut-scenes and wasn't like that in FF7, so why make it look even more like KH? Why did Rosso the Crimson look like she was allied with the Nobodies?

4) Why is it always Gackt? What's up with Gackt? He sung two of the songs in the game (that were mediocre) and was the character/actor used for 'G' in the secret ending trailer. He was the model for the ultra awesome (yet ultra lame storyline) game 'Bujingai' as well. Great. For some reason, I just don't like Gackt, and it pains me because I either don't have a good reason to, or I can't formulate it into words. Maybe I'm jealous. =P Anyhow...

5) Plot twist or empty void? Why involve characters like Grimmoire? (And no, that is not a spoiler because anyone who has not played the game should have no idea who that is). WTF is his purpose!? Was that supposed to be a plot twist? Was Vincent supposed to have a Luke Skywalker complex after that scene or somethin'? Unless Grimmoire's DNA was used to make Soldier 'G' (in which, if you notice in the secret ending movie, they look and dress strikingly familiar and have the same first initial), his role, let alone existence in the game, is totally pointless!

Final Verdict: 6.0
Overall, the story and music were the saving graces of the game. For a game that Nobou Uematsu didn't do, Masashi Hamazu executed superbly. He didn't pull the same crap that the Zelda composers keep doing by re-using old themes and remixing them and NOT orchestrating them (*cough* Twilight Princess). Thankfully, most (if not all) of the tracks in Doc are orchestrated and epic. However, if SE wanted to piss off its fan base, they're doing a spectacular job by releasing this and expecting people to cherish it.

P.S. - Why can't Red XIII be there to save the world as well?

P.S. - Why can't Red XIII be there to save the world as well?

Maybe Vincent haet furry or something.

I think Red XIII just didn't top the popularity glass wall necessary to get a cameo. If you like Red XIII, though, would you really want him in this game?

As for Gackt, there's a lot of reason to dislike him, and Nomura over-saturating him in some weird circlejerk is an alright one.

Aside, it's a bit too bad Squenix took time and money to make this game when they could've done something better. I'm sure that if they actually decided to make a quality game under a flagship title, it'd sell anyway. The same people who buy for 'FF7' buy for 'Square', too, I figure.

I think Red XIII just didn't top the popularity glass wall necessary to get a cameo. If you like Red XIII, though, would you really want him in this game?

Touche. You've a good point. Red XIII isn't one of my favorite characters, but he is pretty mysterious in his own way seeing how little is known, or explained, of his tribe. In the second level when you're fighting off those panther-like monsters in the badlands, I was convinced that Red was going to show up at the last minute and kick some tail. Literally. But he didn't. Everyone else had a small appearance and even smaller role where they were seen bashing some Deep Ground skulls or something.

I dunno, it just seemed that Red got gypped. He coulda made an intro in the 2nd level like "hey Vinny, I was chillin' with my other tribe-peeps/whatever and noticed you were gunning down this other rival tribe so I thought I'd assist," or something awesome like that. =P

Okay im new to this forum so u probably wont even validate my opinion but i think that FFVII:DOC is an okay game but for fans of the whole Final Fantasy series you will be disappointed espescially coz the game is based on the greatest Final fantasy game of all time. The actions good, the graphics are mind blowing but the obvious let downs of the game are the fact that there is no strategy in the fighting which final fantasy has been praised for, the main game is 2 short even though there r all the hidden things to find but it would take you several plays through the game and you would be bored numb of it by then, and the most obvious one of all is the fact that if i wanted to play Devil May Cry i would play devil may cry but i wanted to play final fantasy and i feel let down. I still like the game but my expectations were for something which blew my mind like the first time i put Final Fantasy 7 in my Playstation 1. Apart from all those things itl prob fill a few days of your life but it took me ten hours to complete on the hard setting. Considering it was the final part on the Final fantasy 7 trilogy (with final fantasy 7 and advent children being before it) it should of been a lot better. Cloud over and out!!!

Actually, your opinion being invalidated has nothing to do with the fact that you're new. It's the fact you look like an illiterate numbskull that causes it. Honestly, if you don't have enough respect for the people you're talking to to type properly, why bother at all?

It's good to see that someone else also upholds similar online literacy etiquette as I do.

And yeah, he's right, your opinion weighs as heavy as any other opinions do. However, if you're sincere about it, type like you're sincere about it. That's all it is, really. ^_- I'm assuming the '1986' in your name means your birth date. You're 20, or possibly 21, right? It's that time of your life when you have to act your age, mate.

Well i apologise for giving my opinion. I thought that's what a forum was for. I personally have no problem with the game except that I think that it was too short for a final fantasy game considering that on the playstation you had between 30-50 hours of gameplay for the entire game and for dirge of cerberus it took me 10 hours to complete. And I think that most of the game is cutscenes and even though they look and are voiced amazingly that the clock doesn't stop when you watch them so there's probaby about 5 hours of gameplay to go through in the main game. I apologise if I have offended anyone with shorthand typing but im used to doing it anywhere else but as I have just proven I am not illiterate and I resent being called that. But having a low opinion of the game doesn't mean that I hate the FF series because I think that there is no better game for the Playstation than all the FF games because they all rule and I thought I'd join this forum because I, like everyone else here, love the entire series and thought that it would mean that instead of talking to idiots that didnt understand me in my life because they have no appreciation of the amazing quality and concept of the FF series I could talk to people who feel the same way that I do. If I am not wanted on the forum please tell me and I will leave. Thank you all.

And also I do have online etiquette but when I was typing on other chat sites oter people were typing shorthand and I felt like a bit of a dick so i just automaticlly type shorthand. I apologise and I will be more careful in future.

The average age of the regulars on this forum is a bit higher than you're probably used to. Consequently, we have higher standards.

Also, I did not say for certain that you are an illiterate numbskull, merely that you looked like one based on your initial impression. A bit heavy-handed perhaps, but it seems to have gotten the point across effectively enough.

Just for the record, I could easily dismantle your views on pretty much the entire series, but I'll give you a chance to settle in a little bit before I go that far.

Ok well thanks for giving me a chance. Has anyone else got anything to say about the game? And is there an easier way of getting all the extras because i'm giving myself a headache trying to find all the hidden targets and i've found 6 so far and I'm on the third mission now and I think that there has to be more than six in the first 2 missions.

I apologize if I sounded rash. I'm just as much of a newbie on here as you are. If other people on other forums pick at you for typing on a higher level when the only thing they can spell accurately are their own names, so be it. Let them flame you all you want... I get my jollies knowing that some of them won't get what they want out of life because they don't know how to communicate well with others (such as the opposite sex for example). ;-P Just be yourself wherever you are and make the best of that and people will like ya.

Back to the topic at hand... My comments on the game were a few posts up; the story and music were pretty cool, but the gameplay made me want to hang myself with the controller cord... It seems that Square-Enix is getting used to making crappy, to semi-crappy, games nowadays...

Well i apologise for giving my opinion. I thought that's what a forum was for.

Incidentally, this is wrong. A forum is for discussion, not merely posting your own thoughts. If you want to simply rant about your own views, you should get a blog or something. On a decent forum, you can expect to have just about anything you say challenged or disproved, often by people who know more about a given subject than you, so be prepared for that and don't begrudge people who disagree with you unless they're stupid about it.

back on topic, i kinda enjoyed the game. haven't liked as much as the others final fantasy, but wasn't terrible at all. i see why you guys hate it tho. :3

Game is decent. I liked it. If you play any sort of shooter game, this will be extremely easy. The shooting and targeting system was made for Japanese people to get into shooters, so it's really easy to play. Basically you have this huge circle(For the basic gun) that probably takes up 3/10 of the screen that targets the enemy. There's alot that just sucks when you compare it to other shooters, but it has it's own charm. Using magic, upgrading your weapons, transforming are all rare things that you use, but when you do use them it's pretty fun to do. New game plus and the exp/gil thing is pretty cool too.

I say if you want to get the most out of the game play on difficult to at least have some sort of challenge.

Of course the main point of the game is the story which is hard to find on alot of shooter games. They're usually maximum gameplay/minimum story... This one is more story oriented. Gameplay has retarded a bit but it's still playable.

I think it's worth playing at least once. And the price has dropped to 20$(NEW) so it's more than worth it. You can always get a used one for even less.

back on topic, i kinda enjoyed the game. haven't liked as much as the others final fantasy, but wasn't terrible at all. i see why you guys hate it tho. :3

So, what made you think you could revive this?

So, what made you think you could revive this?


i don't see this topic locked, so i guess people can post in it :v

I am getting sick of seeing people calling other people fanboys because they like something that they do not.

It's completely stupid to see people use that word everytime someone tried to express his love for one particular game. It's an easy way to call out someone and it's actually an empty argument to use.

"Hey you like this game? LOL you're a stupid fanboy..."

Pretty lame imo.

Hynad, there hasn't been a single mention of the word "fanboy" in this thread since December...

Yeah, I know that, but there has been in other threads, and it's been killing me for a long time. So I thought I'd get it off my chest now.

i don't see this topic locked, so i guess people can post in it :v

No no no no no, If a thread is months or even years old, then people are not gonna apreciate you bringing it to the front page.

I am getting sick of seeing people calling other people fanboys because they like something that they do not.

Fan boys go to con's and dress up like their favorite characters. It's not an insult to be called a fan boy unless you're insecure of yourself.

It's kind of like how my neighbors think I'm rather weird (which, to an extent, I am) because I like swing-dancing and hold doors open for people. They can think whatever they please, so long as they leave me the heck alone. :smrt:


No no no no no, If a thread is months or even years old, then people are not gonna apreciate you bringing it to the front page.

He's a new guy, surely you can let him off with just a disappointing frown. :-P

But come on, can't people use common sense? the dates are pretty clear and show that the threads old, so naturally don't post in it.

why don't you go first? :P

I beleive I have used a great deal more common sense then since i joined.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

I'm right there with ya, but it would be hypocritical of me to bash him. I did that when I was new to forum-ing once or twice.

Hynad, it seems to me that you attach a lot of negative connotation to fanboy when it is a neutral statement.

i'm not new to forums in general, but since it was my first time here, i saw this topic and replied. i guess i will not post on old topics the next time.

yes we would apreciate that.

Joan-Michelle, as such, the word fanboy is not really negative. It is the way fanboys act that is. So most of the time, when you call someone a fanboy, it has a negative connotation.

Don't worry about The Master's comments, necros. His computer monitor is shoved up his ass, so he has to hyper-extend his back when bending over to look at his screen. It's only natural that he's in a pissy mood every time he says something.

Oops... I revived a dead thread... somebody ban me or delete my post before other people post ornery, heart-felt comments of how much of a n00b I am and revive it even more!

yeah blah blah blah blah blah. do any of you guys ever get tired of posting unnecessary crap like this these days? i mean c'mon, lighten up already.

You're the idiot who just revived a thread that's been dead for three months, and you complain about unnecessary crap? Sheesh.

yeah blah blah blah blah blah. do any of you guys ever get tired of posting unnecessary crap like this these days? i mean c'mon, lighten up already.

If it bothers you, why do so much of it yourself? :rolleyes:

yeah blah blah blah blah blah. do any of you guys ever get tired of posting unnecessary crap like this these days? i mean c'mon, lighten up already.

yeah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. i don't see why this has anything to do with the suckiness this topic proposed.

yeah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. i don't see why this has anything to do with the suckiness this topic proposed.

It doesn't. It was just a touch of awesomness to counteract your extremely lame post, TrueLoogie212.

It doesn't. It was just a touch of awesomness to counteract your extremely lame post, TrueLoogie212.


then why don't you quit posting for a while and think positively for a change. that way you won't get so retarded.

then why don't you quit posting for a while and think positively for a change. that way you won't get so retarded.

Heh how's the inside of your own ass look like, Loogie212? Because repeating your posts in different threads, because you think they actually matter, must mean you are one pretentions cock!

Heh how's the inside of your own ass look like, Loogie212? Because repeating your posts in different threads, because you think they actually matter, must mean you are one pretentions cock!

aw man you must love your mother's ass huh? she make you sweet lately? cause i know i can tell you've been 'angin out alot with her. gee no wonder why you like being called the Portuguese Sexually Harassed whore of a Colossus.

aw man you must love your mother's ass huh? she make you sweet lately? cause i know i can tell you've been 'angin out alot with her. gee no wonder why you like being called the Portuguese Sexually Harassed whore of a Colossus.

hahaha Sweet Jesus and the Spear that Pierced Him, I thought playground insults were out of fashion! Guess I was wrong!

hahaha Sweet Jesus and the Spear that Pierced Him, I thought playground insults were out of fashion! Guess I was wrong!


Yeah i was wrong big time. It's no wonder that i get called the Portuguese Sexually Harassed Whore of a Colossus.

So when are you both going to settle like this grown men and see who has the better pokemons? =P

MetaCritic is a good place to view multiple reviews on one page. That way you get the whole picture. With the good reviews and the bad with a multitude of sources in one place.

They gave it a collective score of 57. It's mediocre.
http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/dirgeofcerberusfinalfantasy7?q=Final%20Fantasy%20V II

However, I am one to believe that critics aren't always right. They're just guides to help you understand the flaws and attributes of a given game. I say, make your own opinion based on your experience. Rent it first if it seems questionable, and if you can get past the flaws, and you're enjoying the game, buy it used.

thanks for bumping this, guy!

Hey, I just now came across this.

You still suck at life, you necrobumping faggot.

Read the fucking date of the last post before replying.

I actually liked this game, the action was fun to play and the cut scenes were very well done.

It was too short though, and playing through the game again doesn't appeal to me at all unfortunately.

I fell asleep during it. New characters made me puke. I will admit, the gameplay wasn't half bad. I just wasn't quite fond of the story nor the characters.

Such harsh words. Well maybe I felt like putting my two cents in. There's no reason to get all upset about it. Half of what I said pertained to my opinion on video game reviews which made it more than relevant for discussion in the present.

And it's not like you couldn't ignore it. It's not like I was spamming just for the sake of spamming. Which bears in mind that your posts inevitably became Spam (you know, that gross ham-like crap).

It seems the thread's been revived more than once its questionable life. In any case, I'll close it...