(this may contain spoilers but then again so could any topic here)

Because i do.

An example is the Bahamut fight, how exactly can clouds teammates throw him upwards whilst they are in mid air?
Now they would be throw downward with as much force as he is thrusted upward + gravity, which would not be a lot really.

Also falling to the ground from very high up + dead.


So why did rufus need nets when he jumps?

:smrt: Yeah! And what's up with Clouds hair? There's no hairspray on earth that can keep his hair in place while holding a swordfight on a bike that travels 300 km per hour!!!!! It's like Cloud's hair is fucking with gravity!!!!

:smrt:WHAT A FUCKING RIP OFF!!!!

:smrt:Oh wait I forgot something! What's up with Kadaj calling that little black box his mother? Is he insane? they look nothing alike!! She's all square and boxy and stuff. And he's like human. I don't get it at all.

It's movie following a video game. Entertainment value; the end.

Anyone who has seen movies from the wuxia genre will know that what we saw in Advent Children is nothing.

I agree with twiligh, and its CG, it cant be 100% perfect for God;s sake guys.

If you watched some of the bonus material on Disc 2, the developers talk about not limiting themselves in this movie. "Anything goes", was their motto. It doesn't matter if the scenes were realistic, it was to go where few have gone before, and most importantly: entertainment value.

Well, too bad they failed in their goal unless the viewer is a tasteless teenage fankid who rates a movie according to how much it tickles their testosterone.

Also, Cloud took a bullet to the head and was unscathed. LOL!

...a tasteless teenage fankid who rates a movie according to how much it tickles their testosterone.

lol wowo

hay guyz im kool now b-cuz i type liek a retard lol lets b8ch about st00pid crap liek

Damn it, I can't do this. It hurts my head to try to suck at typing.

So yeah, let's bitch about stupid crap like "how does Cloud get from Midgar to the Forgotten Capital on his bike" or "the action sequences are too far-fetched." If you're really that dense, then I've got a hint for you:

DON'T WATCH MOVIES. DON'T PLAY VIDEO GAMES. DON'T READ BOOKS.

It's called "imagination" and "suspension of disbelief." If you're crying about Advent Children's action sequences, I can just imagine what you were like when you saw The Matrix. "OMFG neo hax fooking n00b OMFG im telling admin on u neo and ur gunna b b&!" Or Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade: "OMFG no way a bullet could ricochet inside a tank and hit the pilot right in the forehead while indy is hanging onto a tank turrent for his life and about to get smashed against a wall omfg no weh hax hax hax n00b hax!" Or Lord of the Rings and "OMFG no weh a ring can controll pplz and maek them evl and OMFG haxx0rz to the maxx0rz."

There's a fine line between "Having no fucking life" and "Being a motherfucking shit." You fall into the latter, while I fall into the former.

Well, too bad they failed in their goal unless the viewer is a tasteless teenage fankid who rates a movie according to how much it tickles their testosterone.

Would you rather every movie or game be completly realistic? That takes the point away from entertainment, because it's supposed to be something that allows you into a world of fantasy, where the impossible becomes possible. They simply expanded upon this with the movie, and I for one ("teenage fanboy" or not), enjoyed it.


Also, Cloud took a bullet to the head and was unscathed. LOL!

I'm pretty sure the bullet hit his sunglasses, and both being metal (and not knowing a lick of physics), the bullet could have bounced off. I do recall Cloud's forehead bleeding a trifle afterwards, and I'm assuming that's the extent of the force of impact.

Would you rather every movie or game be completly realistic? That takes the point away from entertainment, because it's supposed to be something that allows you into a world of fantasy, where the impossible becomes possible. They simply expanded upon this with the movie, and I for one ("teenage fanboy" or not), enjoyed it.

That's nice. No one ever said you shouldn't enjoy it. My point is that it's an absolutely awful piece of filmmaking that no one with any knowledge of and appreciation for good direction or continuity would ever find enjoyable.


I'm pretty sure the bullet hit his sunglasses, and both being metal (and not knowing a lick of physics), the bullet could have bounced off. I do recall Cloud's forehead bleeding a trifle afterwards, and I'm assuming that's the extent of the force of impact.

Key words bolded. Those of us who do know a bit about physics find that moment absolutely laughable. Feel free to like it you want, but it's an example of physics changing from moment to moment based on what the writer or director thought would be neat at the time.

That's nice. No one ever said you shouldn't enjoy it. My point is that it's an absolutely awful piece of filmmaking that no one with any knowledge of and appreciation for good direction or continuity would ever find enjoyable.It'd be nice to be able to come to the FFShrine forums for one day and find people not being stupid. Oh, well.

I'm going to correct you, Prak. I've taken Film Theory courses for my minor, so I have much knowledge and appreciation for good direction and continuity. While it's harder to "judge" the direction for an animated film as opposed to live action, that doesn't mean it's not possible. Close-up shots were used to get character's facial expressions, low camera angles were used for making people look like they're in charge.

As for continuity... do you even know what the fuck that means?

Costume continuity is where in one shot, Darth Vader's chest plate is facing up like it should be. But in the next shot, before he ignites his lightsaber to fight Obi-Wan, his chestplate is upside down. It's pretty hard to have bad costume continuity in a CG movie, considering you're use pre-rendered models that already have specific makes and textures and therefore their clothes don't need to be fucked with before every shot.

Editing continuity is in the first shot, someone opens a door to a house and walks in, then the next shot is inside the house and that person is walking in the door. Bad editing continuity would be someone opens the door to a house in the first shot, and the next shot is him at the bar. Of course bad editing continuity may be done on purpose to create an effect; this is often done in the form of "jump shots." Like Cloud showing up at the Forgotten Capital on his bike and no one knows how he crossed the damn ocean.

And then bad timeline continuity is basically plotholes. Too bad Cloud getting to the Forgotten Capital isn't a plot hole.

Just because action sequences are far-fetched and over the top does not mean it had bad direction or continuity. There was no bad direction or bad continuity in Advent Children.

I wrote an essay that broke down Advent Children shot-by-shot and got an A on it. I don't need some stupid shit that doesn't have "any knowledge of and appreciation for good direction or continuity would ever find enjoyable" to be ranting like he does.

Dear Jesus it's you vs. the world isn't it?

Yay! Paladin is replying to all my posts and giving me the attention my parents never did! I feel so loved!

I sure hope so, else this effort is for nought.

WTF is a "nought"? That an abbreviation for donought or something? Is that what they call donoughts in whatever country you're from?

I thought YOU branded ME illiterate.

Yeah. And you are illiterate. Why are you restating this?

Look up any decent dictionary to find what 'nought' means. Or are you incapable of that as well.

And where might I be able to "look up any decent dictionary"? Sorry, but my phonebook doesn't list anyone with the last name "Dictionary."

Haha, you're beyond help.

I know. But there's hope for you, yet.

And where might I be able to "look up any decent dictionary"? Sorry, but my phonebook doesn't list anyone with the last name "Dictionary."

Idiot.

Haha, Bless him he tries hard GG does.

I don't try. I succeed. Unlike some losers.

It'd be nice to be able to come to the FFShrine forums for one day and find people not being stupid. Oh, well.

Oh the irony, considering the rest of your post.


I'm going to correct you, Prak. I've taken Film Theory courses for my minor, so I have much knowledge and appreciation for good direction and continuity. While it's harder to "judge" the direction for an animated film as opposed to live action, that doesn't mean it's not possible. Close-up shots were used to get character's facial expressions, low camera angles were used for making people look like they're in charge.

So what? You took Film Theory courses, woo-hoo! Care to post scans of your degree in that field of study?

Also: Camera angles do not define a good film. Advent Children was boring. It failed as an action movie, it failed as an engaging drama. Hell, it failed to tell a coherent story.

It cannot stand on it's own, it is a second-rate tie in film--and as such, it is not worth consideration beyond those that are already hardcore fans of the shitty game on the outdated console that, compared to modern games, is so fucking shitty in terms of storyline and overall plot continuity that it makes games like Grand Theft Auto look like The Illiad.


As for continuity... do you even know what the fuck that means?

Costume continuity is where in one shot, Darth Vader's chest plate is facing up like it should be. But in the next shot, before he ignites his lightsaber to fight Obi-Wan, his chestplate is upside down. It's pretty hard to have bad costume continuity in a CG movie, considering you're use pre-rendered models that already have specific makes and textures and therefore their clothes don't need to be fucked with before every shot.

Editing continuity is in the first shot, someone opens a door to a house and walks in, then the next shot is inside the house and that person is walking in the door. Bad editing continuity would be someone opens the door to a house in the first shot, and the next shot is him at the bar. Of course bad editing continuity may be done on purpose to create an effect; this is often done in the form of "jump shots." Like Cloud showing up at the Forgotten Capital on his bike and no one knows how he crossed the damn ocean.

And then bad timeline continuity is basically plotholes. Too bad Cloud getting to the Forgotten Capital isn't a plot hole.

No, but magically regressing to his half-cocked emo faggot personality from the beginning of the game after he supposedly recovered from and dealt with all those issues in the game is. Also, the film directors forgot that towards the end of the game Cloud was fucking Tifa underneath the Highwind and really hadn't made any reference to Aeris except for the final battle and ending cinematic. Where did the sudden return of the obsession with her come from?


Just because action sequences are far-fetched and over the top does not mean it had bad direction or continuity. There was no bad direction or bad continuity in Advent Children.

The fight with Bahamut. QED.


I wrote an essay that broke down Advent Children shot-by-shot and got an A on it. I don't need some stupid shit that doesn't have "any knowledge of and appreciation for good direction or continuity would ever find enjoyable" to be ranting like he does.

I wrote an essay on how the Bible is a crock of shit and anyone that believed in it today was an idiot and received an "A" on it from a professor teaching hermeneutics in a Seminary.

Shut the fuck up you stupid fucking nigger.

How civilized.........

But you make a point at least.

Odin, change your name. You do Norse's grandfather god (E.G. their equivelant of "Zeus" or "Jesus" or whatever you want) wrong.


So what? You took Film Theory courses, woo-hoo! Care to post scans of your degree in that field of study?Prak was ranting about no one with "any knowledge of and appreciation for good direction or continuity would ever find [the film] enjoyable" and I proved him wrong by pointing out that I had knowledge for good direction and continuity. But here, I'll post a copy of my transcript just for you.




Also: Camera angles do not define a good film. Advent Children was boring. It failed as an action movie, it failed as an engaging drama. Hell, it failed to tell a coherent story.Camera angles do not define a good film. They define a good director. I.E. Someone who knows what the fuck they're doing with the camera. Which my rebute against Prak was his comment about directors, not the film itself. But you must have missed that.


It cannot stand on it's own, it is a second-rate tie in film--and as such, it is not worth consideration beyond those that are already hardcore fans of the shitty game on the outdated console that, compared to modern games, is so fucking shitty in terms of storyline and overall plot continuity that it makes games like Grand Theft Auto look like The Illiad.Did I say anything about it had to stand on its own? No. Allow me to repeat myself, again: Prak ranted about the director, and I rebutted his rant about the director. You are pulling shit from your ass in an attempt to fight now, but that's fine.

And actually, it can stand on its own as a film. After I had written my analysis of the film, my instructor, who didn't know RPGs even existed, went to go check it out. And he understood the following: Cloud is the protagonist, three guys are after Cloud for some reason, Cloud let someone (Aeris) die once upon a time and still hasn't gotten over it, and this movie is about Cloud escaping the three guys while also moving on in life.


No, but magically regressing to his half-cocked emo faggot personality from the beginning of the game after he supposedly recovered from and dealt with all those issues in the game is. Also, the film directors forgot that towards the end of the game Cloud was fucking Tifa underneath the Highwind and really hadn't made any reference to Aeris except for the final battle and ending cinematic. Where did the sudden return of the obsession with her come from?You quoted three whole paragraphs from me, just to counter it with some made up bullshit? I don't recall Cloud and Tifa fucking under the Highwind at the end of the game. I recall three red lion-dogs galloping across a wasteland and coming to a city covered in moss. Where do you get Cloud and Tifa fucking from that?

Where did the sudden obsession with Aeris come from? This may come as a shock to you, but humans don't have their emotions set in stone. Two years is plenty of time for Cloud to become angsty again. Especially since, at the end of the game, he started having memories of his old life and started hating himself. Remember Tifa's little trip to the Lifestream midway through Disc 2?


The fight with Bahamut. QED.Way to fail at enlightening what was discontinuous about the fight with Bahamut. GG.


I wrote an essay on how the Bible is a crock of shit and anyone that believed in it today was an idiot and received an "A" on it from a professor teaching hermeneutics in a Seminary.And thus you have entered the world of college, where 90% of professors aren't biggoted shits and don't care what you write as long as you prove your point. Isn't college a wonderful place for dumb asses like you to rant and rave for a living?

And by the way, writing an essay about why the Bible is a piece of shit and writing an essay which disects how a movie was shot and edited are, get this... wait for it...

TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WAYS OF WRITING!

You might do well to read the Bible, however. That way when someone says to you, "Jesus, you're one dumb motherfucker." you'll know they're saying "Jesus" as an exclamation, not telling Jesus that he's one dumb motherfucker.


Shut the fuck up you stupid fucking nigger.Oh no! I was insulted on the Internet! I am hurt! And because I was told to shut up, I am going to do so! I'm going to forget about "fuck... off..."ing and put "shut the fuck up" at the top of my To Do List.

Ugh! Rebutted your whole pointless arguement, bitch! Next time, make sure you read and understand what someone is telling someone else before sticking your shit-covered brown nose into the arguement.

You quoted three whole paragraphs from me, just to counter it with some made up bullshit? I don't recall Cloud and Tifa fucking under the Highwind at the end of the game. I recall three red lion-dogs galloping across a wasteland and coming to a city covered in moss. Where do you get Cloud and Tifa fucking from that?

The part of the game where everyone goes home for a bit to "figure out what they're fighting for" and Cloud and Tifa hang around at the Highwind because they don't have a home to go to. You don't see them fucking, but it's sure as hell implied by the "afterglow" scene where they're holding each other on the ground below the Highwind, plus Tifa's reaction in the Highwind when she finds out everyone else had already been there and waiting on her and Cloud to get back on the ship ("You mean you were WATCHING?!" *collapsing on the ground while holding hands on top of head, banging head on the ground, meanwhile, Cloud turns toward the camera and shrugs*).


Where did the sudden obsession with Aeris come from? This may come as a shock to you, but humans don't have their emotions set in stone. Two years is plenty of time for Cloud to become angsty again. Especially since, at the end of the game, he started having memories of his old life and started hating himself. Remember Tifa's little trip to the Lifestream midway through Disc 2?

You mean the one where she helped Cloud sort out all his bullshit emo-faggotry? Yeah.


Ugh! Rebutted your whole pointless arguement, bitch! Next time, make sure you read and understand what someone is telling someone else before sticking your shit-covered brown nose into the arguement.

You are defending Advent Children as a good film, I'm arguing that it isn't.

I am not Prak, nor was I in any way considering your stupid tangential argument over camera direction as there are plenty of otherwise great films that have shitty camera work (Pulp Fiction, Saving Private Ryan and Serenity, for example; movies with near headache-inducing camera moments, but the actual story and characterizations more than making up for it). Advent Children was a sorry piece of shit film that brought nothing to the viewer other than some animators waving their egos around about how "realistic" they can make something look, a technical demonstration of Maya 6.0 and a couple high end CPUs.

Final Fantasy VII was a pretty good story back in 1995 (when the script was written), but does not hold up anymore with all the games currently on the market; making a movie tie-in to an out-dated game ten years later requires a hell of a lot more to be a good movie than "Here is your emo protagonist, here are some clones of an old villain, and here is the reincarnation of the old villain. Fanboys rejoice, here is a high res CG fight between these two characters! THE END".

Basically, Advent Children is to Final Fantasy what Endless Waltz was to the Gundam Metaverse--a shameless eye-candy movie to satisfy rabid fanboys.

I've taken Film Theory courses for my minor, so I have much knowledge and appreciation for good direction and continuity.

Ok well i'm not going to bother tackling the camera angle argument as thats for Prak to answer you on, but seeing as you say you know alot about film making and I get the impression you want to prove that this movie is not a bad one I'd like to make some other points.

I see that the movie was pretty weak for the following reasons:

1) Hardly any proper plot, what there was of it i.e children having Geostigma was resolved with a cheat solution. If Aeris had the ability to do what she did at that point she could have done it much earlier in the film. Why wait till Cloud is fighting Sephiroth? There is no reason, therefore that's a blatant cock up.

2) Lack of character development. Nothing changes about any of the main characters from the start of the story by the end. As for the other characters, they appear as barely more than extra's.

3) Weak voice acting + dialogue throughout most of the film.

4) In-conclusive ending.

All those factors highly contribute to letting down how AC stands as a film.

It'd be nice to be able to come to the FFShrine forums for one day and find people not being stupid. Oh, well.

Okay, I've tried to be relatively nice, despite the fact that you and your little playmates have been shitting up the forums for days with your retarded arguments. I haven't sent Sarah links to your squabbles simply because I figured you might be worthwhile members if you'd stop being cunts, and might not deserve the banning that would inevitably follow if attention was drawn to you. I guess I'll have to take the gloves off now.


I'm going to correct you, Prak. I've taken Film Theory courses for my minor, so I have much knowledge and appreciation for good direction and continuity. While it's harder to "judge" the direction for an animated film as opposed to live action, that doesn't mean it's not possible. Close-up shots were used to get character's facial expressions, low camera angles were used for making people look like they're in charge.

It is not harder to judge direction on an animated film. The point of it is to make the film easy to watch and understand exactly what's happening on screen.


As for continuity... do you even know what the fuck that means?

You're really trying to bite off more than you can chew on this one.


Costume continuity is where in one shot, Darth Vader's chest plate is facing up like it should be. But in the next shot, before he ignites his lightsaber to fight Obi-Wan, his chestplate is upside down. It's pretty hard to have bad costume continuity in a CG movie, considering you're use pre-rendered models that already have specific makes and textures and therefore their clothes don't need to be fucked with before every shot.

If you want to get on the topic of costume continuity, the question can be raised about why the characters in AC never show any damage to their wardrobes even after being pounded. They never show wrinkles, get pulled out of place, get torn, or anything else. How the hell are you supposed to take a fight seriously if none of the characters have a mark to show for it afterward?


Editing continuity is in the first shot, someone opens a door to a house and walks in, then the next shot is inside the house and that person is walking in the door. Bad editing continuity would be someone opens the door to a house in the first shot, and the next shot is him at the bar. Of course bad editing continuity may be done on purpose to create an effect; this is often done in the form of "jump shots." Like Cloud showing up at the Forgotten Capital on his bike and no one knows how he crossed the damn ocean.

And what is your point? Are you trying to say that is not a continuity flaw? If it doesn't have an obvious answer and we're expected to just go, "Who cares how he got there? He's there and that's all that matters," then something is wrong. What about the fact that the silver-haired emo fags dragged a bunch of kids all the way across the ocean? You'd think that if they were focused on Midgar, they'd base themselves near it. It was just a blatant use of another popular setting with no real justification.


And then bad timeline continuity is basically plotholes. Too bad Cloud getting to the Forgotten Capital isn't a plot hole.

Plot holes also include those situations where something defies common sense. And guess what, that scenario defies common sense.


Just because action sequences are far-fetched and over the top does not mean it had bad direction or continuity. There was no bad direction or bad continuity in Advent Children.

Way to make a blanket statement with no justification. Now here's how you prove a point. Take note.

Direction: Advent Children used a huge number of rapid cuts that confused the eye of anyone trying to observe the actual sequence of events and not just ooh'ing at the pretty flashes of light. The camera would swing around wildly just to show off something that would be impossible with a normal camera, with absolutely no regard for the viewability of the scene. Case in point: At the forgotten capital, Cloud and one of the emo fags were tussling. One jumped at the other and the camera went into an extreme close-up. It was a jumble of black-on-black motion that gave no indication of what was actually happening, then the camera pulls back to show one of them being flung away. That was a very good example of shit direction.

Now for continuity: Physics changed from scene to scene according to the whim of the director. Things that had a given effect in one scene would have a decidedly different effect in another. For example, there's the scene near the beginning where Cloud is shot in the face, point blank, while riding into the bullet. He does not sustain anything more than a scratch. At the end of the movie, a shot from the same gun (at a longer range, without Cloud's forward momentum into the shot) goes straight through him and causes him to fall. The height of Cloud's jumps varies throughout the film. The film's continuity was blatantly sacrified for the sake of a scene looking cooler. Any moron who isn't blinded by flashy effects or their pre-existing determination to love the movie based on its affiliation with an overrated game can see that.


I wrote an essay that broke down Advent Children shot-by-shot and got an A on it. I don't need some stupid shit that doesn't have "any knowledge of and appreciation for good direction or continuity would ever find enjoyable" to be ranting like he does.

You can get a good grade on an essay if it's written well, even if it's completely wrong. You are a fucking moron if you think that grade reflects on anything other than your presentation skills. Now, I think I have shown conclusively enough that I do have some idea about what I'm talking about. It's up to you now to prove that you're not talking about your ass on a subject you only think you understand.

...and Prak wins!

Not as good as Prak's essays on the matter, but still worth showing...Here (http://www.sheezyart.com/journal/190260/) is my opinion on the quality of the film. (Read the first half) Mind you, I enjoyed the film a little even though I think it's very sloppily done. So, take it as you wish.

Also, one more thing...


I wrote an essay that broke down Advent Children shot-by-shot and got an A on it. I don't need some stupid shit that doesn't have "any knowledge of and appreciation for good direction or continuity would ever find enjoyable" to be ranting like he does.

Just keep in mind that blowhard tactics is pretty much useless when it comes to debating sensibly, because you're not putting up said essay as your argument.

The part of the game where everyone goes home for a bit to "figure out what they're fighting for" and Cloud and Tifa hang around at the Highwind because they don't have a home to go to. You don't see them fucking, but it's sure as hell implied by the "afterglow" scene where they're holding each other on the ground below the Highwind, plus Tifa's reaction in the Highwind when she finds out everyone else had already been there and waiting on her and Cloud to get back on the ship ("You mean you were WATCHING?!" *collapsing on the ground while holding hands on top of head, banging head on the ground, meanwhile, Cloud turns toward the camera and shrugs*).Oh, yeah, because that is definitely sex. Kinda reminds me of when we were analyzing Black Narcissus and it was decided that the wind blowing a door open was "sex." And Cloud never once showed any interest in Tifa as a fuckbuddy in Advent Children until that little "Memories of FFVII" short, so they apparently did not bone each other.

What the fuck does this have to do with the arguement of what makes a good director? Seriously, you already tore the arguement off-track the first time you typed some stupid shit, and now you're dragging it further. If you can't follow a topic that's painted like a line in front of you, then get the fuck off the road.


You mean the one where she helped Cloud sort out all his bullshit emo-faggotry? Yeah.And obviously Cloud didn't get over all his bullshit emo-faggotry. -GASP!-


You are defending Advent Children as a good film, I'm arguing that it isn't.No, retard. Try reading again. Originally, I was pointing out the flaws in Prak's arguement about anyone with any knowledge or apprectiation of good directing and continuity wouldn't enjoy the film. Then you came along and started typing bullshit, so now I'm countering your bullshit. Not once have I declared, "Advent Children is an awesome movie!" I'm declaring the directing is awesome, the continuity is awesome, and that Prak was (and still is) wrong in his statement.


I am not Prak, nor was I in any way considering your stupid tangential argument over camera directionThere! You just admitted that you fucked up and didn't read a single thing I had typed earlier, and you just wanted to go off on some random tangent that wasn't even remotely related to my earlier rebuttal. Nice to see you're courteous enough to admit that. Too bad you're not courteous enough to stay out of it.


as there are plenty of otherwise great films that have shitty camera work (Pulp Fiction, Saving Private Ryan and Serenity, for example; movies with near headache-inducing camera moments, but the actual story and characterizations more than making up for it). Advent Children was a sorry piece of shit film that brought nothing to the viewer other than some animators waving their egos around about how "realistic" they can make something look, a technical demonstration of Maya 6.0 and a couple high end CPUs.Again, you're ranting and raving about shit that's not remotely related to what I was originally ranting and raving about.


Final Fantasy VII was a pretty good story back in 1995 (when the script was written), but does not hold up anymore with all the games currently on the market; making a movie tie-in to an out-dated game ten years later requires a hell of a lot more to be a good movie than "Here is your emo protagonist, here are some clones of an old villain, and here is the reincarnation of the old villain. Fanboys rejoice, here is a high res CG fight between these two characters! THE END".Jesus Christ, when will you stop rambling about bullshit that's not related to the original bullshit? I'm not arguing about if FF7 did/does have a good storyline in the past/present. I'm not arguing if Advent Children is a good/bad movie. I don't know why you're even making this arguement, other than because somewhere your self-inflated ego is choking off air circulation to your brain and you're rambling about whatever.


Basically, Advent Children is to Final Fantasy what Endless Waltz was to the Gundam Metaverse--a shameless eye-candy movie to satisfy rabid fanboys.Yeah. And the point in this statement was...? Oh, yeah, you're insisting I'm trying to argue that Advent Children is a good movie, despite the fact that's not my arguement.

Yeah, here, you know those "sameless eye-candy movie[s] to satisfy rabid fanboys"? It's called "milking." Companies often do that when they need money. George Lucas and Star Wars. Toei and Dragonball Z. Believe it or not, companies are about making money. If you aren't making money, you're either A) a non-profit organization or B) failing. Now since Square-Enix and Bandai are not non-profit organizations, they want to make money so they don't fail.


2) Lack of character development. Nothing changes about any of the main characters from the start of the story by the end. As for the other characters, they appear as barely more than extra's.Again, I'm not arguing about the plot/whatever of the film. I am merely rebuting Prak's original statement. For that reason, I excluded most of your post because quite frankly, I either agree or don't give a shit. The only thing I do disagree with is what I quoted.

Cloud and Kadaj have personality changes throughout the movie. Cloud starts out being emo because he thinks Aeris doesn't forgive him for letting her die, then as the movie goes on, he realizes she does forgive him and stops being emo and decides to live with his friends (Tifa, Marlenne, and Denzel) again.

Kadaj starts out all angry and wanting to kill everyone, then he becomes the emorific loser by the end. When he's in Cloud's arms, dying, (or maybe Odin thinks they're having yaoi sex, since Kadaj has that weird glow around him and Odin seems to think weird glows = sex) and has that realization that he's done wrong.

But everyone else, no, they don't change. Loz and Yazoo are sitting there, watching Kadaj die, then try to kill Cloud again. Tifa just wants Cloud in bed. Rufus wants Jenova's head. Reno and Rude are the comic relief duo that's typically found in movies. Only Cloud and Kadaj change.


Okay, I've tried to be relatively nice, despite the fact that you and your little playmates have been shitting up the forums for days with your retarded arguments. I haven't sent Sarah links to your squabbles simply because I figured you might be worthwhile members if you'd stop being cunts, and might not deserve the banning that would inevitably follow if attention was drawn to you. I guess I'll have to take the gloves off now.Yeah, since Black Paladin only registered within the last two weeks and already has 300+ posts (most of which are one-word posts like "What?" or "Orly" and crap like that), he must be a decent member. And then dark phoenix, the fool who doesn't believe with have the Musashi 2 OST on GH and is too stupid to figure it out, must be a decent member. And then jailbait girl with schitzo problems, always contradicting herself by claiming I'm smarter than her then claiming I'm acting like a two-year-old, must be a decent member. But I think not.


It is not harder to judge direction on an animated film. The point of it is to make the film easy to watch and understand exactly what's happening on screen.No, the reason it's harder to judge is because it's easier to cheat with animated movies. In an animated movie, you can put a light source anywhere, EVEN IN FRONT OF THE CAMERA. But if you put a light source in front of the camera on a live-action movie, the audience is going to be watching a pole in the middle of the action. Furthermore, you can put a camera wherever you want in animated film. Now, unless you're building your own set, that's hard to do with a live-action film. I've done on-location shooting several times, and in tight hallways that are five feet across, it's hard to shoot a scene. But people who devlop their own sets usually have a five-foot-wide hallway with one wall knocked out.

So the director's ability to determine where to put a light source that's not in front of the camera, and the director's ability to work a camera at on-location shots, says something about the director.


You're really trying to bite off more than you can chew on this one.Am I? Because you sure as hell didn't look like you had a clue what you were ranting about.


If you want to get on the topic of costume continuity, the question can be raised about why the characters in AC never show any damage to their wardrobes even after being pounded. They never show wrinkles, get pulled out of place, get torn, or anything else.And that same question can be raised for lots of movies. The Matrix, numerous James Bond titles, and a lot of old spaghetti westerns are especially guilty of this.

Oh, and by the way, you didn't pay much attention to the end of the movie, I take it. Because when Cloud gets stabbed through the arm by Kadaj, his sleeve begins to fall off. Kadaj is a fucking wreck after Cloud kicks Sephiroth's ass. And Loz and Yazoo are completely fucked up because they got hit by explosives. So gee, there IS battle damage.

How the hell are you supposed to take a fight seriously if none of the characters have a mark to show for it afterward?You're not, dumb ass. I believe I made a remark earlier about the whole "imagination" and "suspension of disbelief." If you're wanting to take fights seriously, then go get in one. With a semi-truck. But stay away from books and movies and video games if you want realistic fighting. Oh, and make sure you don't see Transformers because there's a semi-truck fighting a tank in that one. I'm sure a semi-truck vs a tank isn't very realistic fighting for you.


And what is your point? Are you trying to say that is not a continuity flaw? If it doesn't have an obvious answer and we're expected to just go, "Who cares how he got there? He's there and that's all that matters," then something is wrong.No, something is wrong if we're not expected to just go, "Who cares how he got there? He's there and that's all that matters." I believe this was covered in a different thread, but watching Cloud hitch a ride on a ferry, watching Cloud be emorific on the ferry, and watching Cloud get off the ferry is not relevant to the story. What's relevent to the story is that he went and tried to save the kids. By not showing how he got there, it gives fanboys a chance to show their fanboyism by having Internet arguements about how he got across. And since we knows, thanks to the final battle with Sephiroth, that Cloud has learned to fly, then maybe he flew across with his bike.


What about the fact that the silver-haired emo fags dragged a bunch of kids all the way across the ocean? You'd think that if they were focused on Midgar, they'd base themselves near it. It was just a blatant use of another popular setting with no real justification.Except Aeris didn't die at Midgar, now did she? She died at the Forgotten Capital, and her corpse is in that lake. Too bad for you that you don't see the symbolism behind using Aeris's "grave" as a means to make people evil.


Plot holes also include those situations where something defies common sense. And guess what, that scenario defies common sense.Let me guess: the scenario Cloud and Sephiroth can fly? The scenario of Red XIII being a dog that can talk? The scenario of Cloud is supposed to be Level 99 at the start of the movie, yet he acts like he's Level 7? The scenario of Rude getting hit on the head with a fucking billboard and not dying? The scenario of Tifa getting punched in the titties a few times with an electric charger and somehow getting back up to fight some more? I don't know, there's plenty of scenarios which defy common sense!

Again, if you want realism, then stay the fuck away from books, movies, and video games.


Way to make a blanket statement with no justification. Now here's how you prove a point. Take note.No, idiot. YOU take note. You may not know how to correctly write a thesis paper, but the conclusion comes AFTER the evidence. I spent the entire post providing the evidence, and that was my conclusion. Good job at failing English 101.


Direction: Advent Children used a huge number of rapid cuts that confused the eye of anyone trying to observe the actual sequence of events and not just ooh'ing at the pretty flashes of light.This was intentional. Nothing is supposed to make sense. This might be a new concept to a Westerner like you, and we usually call this kind of cinemetography "experimental film." However, the obscure/WTF? filmmaking is rather common in Japan. Oh, and here's a hint: the Watchowski Brothers did not "invent" "bullet time" but the Japanese did.


The camera would swing around wildly just to show off something that would be impossible with a normal camera, with absolutely no regard for the viewability of the scene.Holy shit! I think I said something earlier about how it's easier to cheat using animation than real-life! Wow, aren't you the contradictory piece of shit.

Oh, wait, your arguement here is the fact that the camera movement is unrealistic. Are you paying any attention to what I've been telling you about staying away from books, movies, and video games?


Case in point: At the forgotten capital, Cloud and one of the emo fags were tussling. One jumped at the other and the camera went into an extreme close-up. It was a jumble of black-on-black motion that gave no indication of what was actually happening, then the camera pulls back to show one of them being flung away.I don't need you to tell me what I already know. I've seen the movie. I don't need to be reminded of this scene.


That was a very good example of shit direction.Why? Because it's "not realistic camera movement"? Duh. That's the whole point of working with animation as opposed to real life, so that you can do things with the camera that can't be done with a real life camera.

Here's my question, though. Did you bitch about Spiderman, when Peter Park first realized he can walk on walls, and the camera does some crazy over-the-head-while-turning-down-and-then-moving-up-while-Tobey-goes-up-the-wall camera technique? Because, guess what, that scene was also CGI.


Now for continuity: Physics changed from scene to scene according to the whim of the director. Things that had a given effect in one scene would have a decidedly different effect in another. For example, there's the scene near the beginning where Cloud is shot in the face, point blank, while riding into the bullet. He does not sustain anything more than a scratch.I seem to remember people were arguing about "the glasses stopped the bullet." I believe that Yazoo didn't have any intention of killing Cloud at the start of the movie, and thus loaded some weak shot. Because if Yazoo killed Cloud, then they wouldn't be able to find out where Mother is. And Kadaj certainly doesn't want Cloud dead, since he pulls off his shadow creepers at the last moment. Could it really be possible that the Kadaj Gang doesn't want Cloud dead?


At the end of the movie, a shot from the same gun (at a longer range, without Cloud's forward momentum into the shot) goes straight through him and causes him to fall.And here, the scenario is entirely different. No one wants Cloud alive anymore. They've found Mother, Kadaj is dead... who cares about Cloud? That's just one changed aspect. If you'll recall, I earlier mentioned that Yazoo probably was using some weak shot. But now, Yazoo's probably loaded the heavy artillery (if you'll recall, his gun got scrapped earlier, and so after getting blown to the sky with Loz, they probably went and got a stronger gun) and he's got Materia in his arm. Notice how he has an orb glowing in his arm after he shoots Cloud? And also, when Cloud first met Yazoo and Loz in the Wasteland, he was fresh and ready to go. But at the end of the film, he's weary from his fight with Sephiroth and ready to go to bed.

That's... what? Four different factors that could affect why Cloud went down?


The height of Cloud's jumps varies throughout the film.Hey, guess what, the height of my jumps varies throughout my life! If I need to jump over a hurdle, I'm obviously going to put more tension into my muscles to make me jump higher, as opposed to if I just wanted to hop over something where I wouldn't jump as high. Could it be that, like me, Cloud can control the height of his jump?


The film's continuity was blatantly sacrified for the sake of a scene looking cooler. Any moron who isn't blinded by flashy effects or their pre-existing determination to love the movie based on its affiliation with an overrated game can see that.I seem to remember telling Odin something about milking the genre. Although, now that I've rebuffed all your points about the so called "continuity problems," it seems you no longer have an arguement about "continuity [...] blatantly sacrified[sic] for the sake of a scene looking cooler."


You can get a good grade on an essay if it's written well, even if it's completely wrong. You are a fucking moron if you think that grade reflects on anything other than your presentation skills. Now, I think I have shown conclusively enough that I do have some idea about what I'm talking about. It's up to you now to prove that you're not talking about your ass on a subject you only think you understand.Now you're ripping shit out of context. I told you before my paper was written analyzing camera angles and lighting and all that stuff. Why did I mention it? To prove that I am someone with "any knowledge of good directing and continuity." To prove that your original statement was wrong. And I have proved it wrong. Again, and again.


...and Prak wins!Calling it a little too soon, fool. Wait for the competition to make its rebutal. I seem to remember George W. Bush won the 2000 election because the winner was announced pre-maturely. I was busy writting this long-ass post, and by the time I got around to posting it, I find you posted also.


Just keep in mind that blowhard tactics is pretty much useless when it comes to debating sensibly, because you're not putting up said essay as your argument.Again, read what I told Prak. I brought it up to prove that I have knowledge in the field.

Y'know, I didn't like Advent Children before now. But after using all my movie analysis skills to prove three people wrong, I actually realize that it might be a damn good movie after all. I think I'll go watch it again.

my only problem with the film fight scenes is that it was like they were in space, zero gravity,they would just hover in the air! which i found really stupid,but other than that i enjoyed the film

Yeah, since Black Paladin only registered within the last two weeks and already has 300+ posts (most of which are one-word posts like "What?" or "Orly" and crap like that), he must be a decent member. And then dark phoenix, the fool who doesn't believe with have the Musashi 2 OST on GH and is too stupid to figure it out, must be a decent member. And then jailbait girl with schitzo problems, always contradicting herself by claiming I'm smarter than her then claiming I'm acting like a two-year-old, must be a decent member. But I think not.

Actually, I was referring to Black Paladin and yourself. I don't particularly care for the other two. The two of you have, on occasion, demonstrated some degree of wit and eloquence, although you have terrible senses of the appropriate.


No, the reason it's harder to judge is because it's easier to cheat with animated movies. In an animated movie, you can put a light source anywhere, EVEN IN FRONT OF THE CAMERA. But if you put a light source in front of the camera on a live-action movie, the audience is going to be watching a pole in the middle of the action. Furthermore, you can put a camera wherever you want in animated film. Now, unless you're building your own set, that's hard to do with a live-action film. I've done on-location shooting several times, and in tight hallways that are five feet across, it's hard to shoot a scene. But people who devlop their own sets usually have a five-foot-wide hallway with one wall knocked out.

So the director's ability to determine where to put a light source that's not in front of the camera, and the director's ability to work a camera at on-location shots, says something about the director.

My point stands. All of those decisions relate to making the movie easy to follow. Thank you for agreeing in your indecisive and unfoundedly confrontational way.


Am I? Because you sure as hell didn't look like you had a clue what you were ranting about.

You never asked for clarification.


And that same question can be raised for lots of movies. The Matrix, numerous James Bond titles, and a lot of old spaghetti westerns are especially guilty of this.

All of those movies you named can be complained about in exactly the same way.


Oh, and by the way, you didn't pay much attention to the end of the movie, I take it. Because when Cloud gets stabbed through the arm by Kadaj, his sleeve begins to fall off. Kadaj is a fucking wreck after Cloud kicks Sephiroth's ass. And Loz and Yazoo are completely fucked up because they got hit by explosives. So gee, there IS battle damage.

Was there really? Perhaps by that point, I was simply too disgusted with the movie and its previous lack of that element to notice it.


You're not, dumb ass. I believe I made a remark earlier about the whole "imagination" and "suspension of disbelief." If you're wanting to take fights seriously, then go get in one. With a semi-truck. But stay away from books and movies and video games if you want realistic fighting. Oh, and make sure you don't see Transformers because there's a semi-truck fighting a tank in that one. I'm sure a semi-truck vs a tank isn't very realistic fighting for you.

This is perhaps the most retarded argument in history. Suspension of disbelief is something that is meant to be inspired by a film, not something viewers have to force themselves into.


No, something is wrong if we're not expected to just go, "Who cares how he got there? He's there and that's all that matters." I believe this was covered in a different thread, but watching Cloud hitch a ride on a ferry, watching Cloud be emorific on the ferry, and watching Cloud get off the ferry is not relevant to the story. What's relevent to the story is that he went and tried to save the kids. By not showing how he got there, it gives fanboys a chance to show their fanboyism by having Internet arguements about how he got across. And since we knows, thanks to the final battle with Sephiroth, that Cloud has learned to fly, then maybe he flew across with his bike.

Okay, now I'm getting sick of you. This is perhaps the most retarded thing you've said yet. There is absolutely no possible reply to this except to say that you're absolutely wrong on every single count and that you are some kind of elitist twat who thinks he's cool for saying bad things are actually good. Just like the morons who hang out at Starbucks and pay inflated prices for pseudo-coffee.


Except Aeris didn't die at Midgar, now did she? She died at the Forgotten Capital, and her corpse is in that lake. Too bad for you that you don't see the symbolism behind using Aeris's "grave" as a means to make people evil.

Symbolism isn't enough to replace sense.


Let me guess: the scenario Cloud and Sephiroth can fly? The scenario of Red XIII being a dog that can talk? The scenario of Cloud is supposed to be Level 99 at the start of the movie, yet he acts like he's Level 7? The scenario of Rude getting hit on the head with a fucking billboard and not dying? The scenario of Tifa getting punched in the titties a few times with an electric charger and somehow getting back up to fight some more? I don't know, there's plenty of scenarios which defy common sense!

Yeah, you're onto something there. Frankly, I don't give a rat's ass how outlandish they make things like that. I just want them to be consistent. I don't want the abilities of characters to increase and decrease on the fly simply according to the whims of the scriptwriter. It shows that the writing was lazy.


Again, if you want realism, then stay the fuck away from books, movies, and video games.

You really are an ass. Have I mentioned that yet?


No, idiot. YOU take note. You may not know how to correctly write a thesis paper, but the conclusion comes AFTER the evidence. I spent the entire post providing the evidence, and that was my conclusion. Good job at failing English 101.

Again with the personal attacks. Way to alienate the one person who had previously been inclined to take your side. I'd be more than happy to debate this issue under normal circumstances, where tact and a modicum of respect are issued from the outset, but you're far too aggressive and (unjustifiably) egotistical to take seriously.


This was intentional. Nothing is supposed to make sense. This might be a new concept to a Westerner like you, and we usually call this kind of cinemetography "experimental film." However, the obscure/WTF? filmmaking is rather common in Japan. Oh, and here's a hint: the Watchowski Brothers did not "invent" "bullet time" but the Japanese did.

Again, you prove twice over that you're a grade A moron. Nothing is supposed to make sense? That's the most ridiculous claim I think anyone has made about the movie.

Also, "bullet time" came out of Hong Kong.


Holy shit! I think I said something earlier about how it's easier to cheat using animation than real-life! Wow, aren't you the contradictory piece of shit.

Oh, wait, your arguement here is the fact that the camera movement is unrealistic. Are you paying any attention to what I've been telling you about staying away from books, movies, and video games?

Your reading comprehension skills seem to be lacking also. My point was that the director used outlandish camera stunts for no other reason than he could, and the constantly inappropriate camera angles mutilated the film's viewability.

I was continuing to reply, but I've decided it simply isn't worth it. I'm seriously hoping that you're a joke account because I would hate to have to accept that a human being could be so asinine.

You're greowing weak, Prak. You quote long paragraphs of mine just to attempt to rebute them in one sentence per paragraph. One weak sentence per paragraph.

Actually, I was referring to Black Paladin and yourself. I don't particularly care for the other two. The two of you have, on occasion, demonstrated some degree of wit and eloquence, although you have terrible senses of the appropriate.Really? That's strange, because you typed "you and your playmates" which is plural of "playmate." Thus, indicating I have more than one playmate.


My point stands. All of those decisions relate to making the movie easy to follow. Thank you for agreeing in your indecisive and unfoundedly confrontational way.I'm not agreeing with what you said earlier.


You never asked for clarification.Oh no, such a witty reply. But I shouldn't have to ask for clarification. If it looks like you don't know what you're talking, I'm going to judge you that way. Just as you're judging the director(s) of Advent Children to not know what they're doing, because it looks like they don't know what they're doing.

Likewise, you just told me, "Thank you for agreeing" but earlier you didn't clarify your position. So I wasn't agreeing with you originally.

If you want people to understand what you mean, then clarify in the first place. No one should have to ask for clarification. But then again, I guess I can't expect clarify from someone who doesn't know what the conclusion of a thesis paper is.


All of those movies you named can be complained about in exactly the same way.Holy shit. You're agreeing with me but you want to argue with me. "Let me argue with someone who agrees with me." That's when people know you're just looking for a fight.


Was there really? Perhaps by that point, I was simply too disgusted with the movie and its previous lack of that element to notice it.My point stands. Thank you for agreeing in your indecisive and unfoundedly confrontational way.


This is perhaps the most retarded argument in history. Suspension of disbelief is something that is meant to be inspired by a film, not something viewers have to force themselves into.But in your case, you have to force yourself into it. Because obviously you're bitching and moaning about things being unrealistic.


Okay, now I'm getting sick of you.And yet, you continue arguing with me.


This is perhaps the most retarded thing you've said yet.Wait a second, you told me the last thing I wrote was the most retarded. Make up your mind.


There is absolutely no possible reply to thisAnd yet you did. Good job.


except to say that you're absolutely wrong on every single count and that you are some kind of elitist twat who thinks he's cool for saying bad things are actually good. Just like the morons who hang out at Starbucks and pay inflated prices for pseudo-coffee.Wow, gotta love the thought you put into that arguement. Because name-calling is the "I Win" button to arguments. Shit, you used the "I Win" button. There is no way I can possibly beat you now.


Symbolism isn't enough to replace sense.No, but figuring shit out for yourself is enough to replace sense. Again, how he got to the continent where the Capital is was no way important to the story, hence it wasn't shown.


Yeah, you're onto something there. Frankly, I don't give a rat's ass how outlandish they make things like that. I just want them to be consistent. I don't want the abilities of characters to increase and decrease on the fly simply according to the whims of the scriptwriter. It shows that the writing was lazy.Now you're rambling outside of the "camera angles are stupid" bullshit and talking about screenwriting. And you're proving you know nothing about that. First of all, this arguement was originally about directing, so get the fuck away from screenwriting. Secondly, directors != screenwriters != directors. This was true for Advent Children. Only a few famed directors == screenwriters, like Quinten Terantino, George Lucas, Steven Spielberg, Hideo Kojima... and very select few.


You really are an ass. Have I mentioned that yet?I am what I eat. So are you, so stop eating dick. Again, you used the "I Win" button and so I now have no way of beating you.


Again with the personal attacks. Way to alienate the one person who had previously been inclined to take your side. I'd be more than happy to debate this issue under normal circumstances, where tact and a modicum of respect are issued from the outset, but you're far too aggressive and (unjustifiably) egotistical to take seriously.Yeah, bullshit. You're the one who started the whole "take notes" spiel. Oh, and you want to talk about alienating people? How about the fact that this whole argument started because of your biased statement of "no one with any knowledge of good directing and continuity would find [this film] enoyable." I merely responded, "I have knowledge of of good directing and continuity and I find this film enjoyable." Good job on the personal attacks. Try not to be too biased next time.


Again, you prove twice over that you're a grade A moron. Nothing is supposed to make sense? That's the most ridiculous claim I think anyone has made about the movie.Oh no! He used the "I Win" button again! He's making personal attacks and resorting to name-calling! There is no way I can win now!


Also, "bullet time" came out of Hong Kong.But the Watchowski Brothers got it from a Japanese flick. What does that even have to do with this arguement, anyway?


Your reading comprehension skills seem to be lacking also.You sure about that? Are you sure it's not your "clarity" skills that are lacking? Because it seems I remember you mentioning earlier something about no one asking you to clarify what you should have already clarified.


My point was that the director used outlandish camera stunts for no other reason than he could, and the constantly inappropriate camera angles mutilated the film's viewability.Again, you're ranting about shit you know nothing about, but ranting like you do. "constantly inappropriate camera angles"?

Camera stayed within the 180 degree line. Check.
Characters had conversation with shot-reverseshot. Check.
Fight sequences were punctuated with confusing camera angles. Check.
Low angles to drag the audience's attention upwards. Check.
High camera angles to bring the audience's attention downwards. Check.

I'm sorry, but all the camera angles were quite appropriate. You do not know what you are typing about. Still.

As far as the director using the camera angles "because he could"... WELL DUH! Of course people are going to do stuff "because they can." I guess your defintion of how a film should look would be the camera stays in one place at all time, is eye-level to the actors, and all action that takes place at a different scene happens off camera. And thus, we get two hours of looking at an empty room, where occasionally something happens.


I was continuing to reply, but I've decided it simply isn't worth it. I'm seriously hoping that you're a joke account because I would hate to have to accept that a human being could be so asinine.Well if it makes you feel better, I'm not a human being. I'm above human beings. But that's not something you would understand.

Good job on arguing with me on something you agree with, and good job on the personal attacks. I look forward to more contradictions from you.

P.S. That's my conclusion, okay? Don't go getting it confused and thinking there will be more after it. There's only this post-script and that's all.

P.P.S. I'm serious! No more! The conclusion is already there!

Calling it a little too soon, fool. Wait for the competition to make its rebutal. I seem to remember George W. Bush won the 2000 election because the winner was announced pre-maturely. I was busy writting this long-ass post, and by the time I got around to posting it, I find you posted also.

You took your sweet time then.


Again, read what I told Prak. I brought it up to prove that I have knowledge in the field.

How about bringing the essay itself to the field? I could easily say how many diplomas and titles I have in the field or how I wrote an essay which gave me a perfect score. Does it prove anything?

IOW, less talk and more show.


Y'know, I didn't like Advent Children before now. But after using all my movie analysis skills to prove three people wrong, I actually realize that it might be a damn good movie after all. I think I'll go watch it again.

Let me pull up your quote.

Calling it a little too soon, fool. Wait for the competition to make its rebutal. I seem to remember George W. Bush won the 2000 election because the winner was announced pre-maturely.

You took your sweet time then.Damn right. Had to make sure each and every thing was rebutted.


How about bringing the essay itself to the field? I could easily say how many diplomas and titles I have in the field or how I wrote an essay which gave me a perfect score. Does it prove anything?

IOW, less talk and more show.Just for you.



Calling it a little too soon, fool. Wait for the competition to make its rebutal. I seem to remember George W. Bush won the 2000 election because the winner was announced pre-maturely. I was busy writting this long-ass post, and by the time I got around to posting it, I find you posted also.You know, for writing a long-ass post, that post of yours was terribly short.

But anyway, remember who the 2000 election winner that was announced pre-maturely was? Oh, that's right, Bush! They announced Bush pre-maturely, and he's in the office! So if I'm announcing myself as the winner, and we're talking about Bush's 2000 campaign, then that means I'm the winner!

Ha, ha, ha. I like what you tried to do there, by turning my words against me. But, you weren't smart enough to take the upper hand the first time.

Post the entire essay or shut the fuck up.

Amen!

PS STFU and/or GTFO GG

Post the entire essay or shut the fuck up.How about you make me post the entire essay, bitch? You gonna come knocking on my door and hijack my scanner and essay and upload it? I provided my proof.

Besides, I'm not going to upload my entire essay because stupid shits on the Internet like to plagarize.

Amen!

PS STFU and/or GTFO GGHow about you make me STFU and/or GTFO, bitch? You gonna come knocking on my door and hijack my computer and Internet connection and take off with it? I know the serial number to my computer and will gladly have you hounded for thievery.

You make me swoon with your manliness. No I can't make you, I figure you have realised this otherwise I doubt you would be so cocky and confrontational. Say what you like on the Internet, no-one knows the real you, so to speak, very few can reach through the barrier of the internet to cripple the big lads such as you. Hopefully it will happen. Maybe the towel-heads will get you, but I digress. You are nobody on the internet. It may feel invigorating to be such a badass on this forum, but I doubt you're such a confrontational man in the real world. Haha. Can you smell the testosterone wafting from you, you great warrior. By the by thougth, you're still a complete wanker.

Oh, Black Paladin is back to being Detective Dipshit again, huh? You can stop telling me stuff I already know, dude.

So YOU ARE a friendless loner then. Detective dipshit has it's perks eh?

Yep. Detective Dipshit has its perks. I.E. Having the answer to everything obvious, obviously.

Sure does. Wait, I hear footsteps behind me....

Damn right. Had to make sure each and every thing was rebutted.

LOL! (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/tirelessrebutter.htm)


Just for you.


Interesting, but I find the lack of red ink to be quite dodgy.


You know, for writing a long-ass post, that post of yours was terribly short.

Yeah, I like being short and to the point.


But anyway, remember who the 2000 election winner that was announced pre-maturely was? Oh, that's right, Bush! They announced Bush pre-maturely, and he's in the office! So if I'm announcing myself as the winner, and we're talking about Bush's 2000 campaign, then that means I'm the winner!

O zing!


Ha, ha, ha. I like what you tried to do there, by turning my words against me. But, you weren't smart enough too lazy to take the upper hand the first time.

Fix'd.


How about you make me post the entire essay, bitch? You gonna come knocking on my door and hijack my scanner and essay and upload it? I provided my proof.

How about you make me STFU and/or GTFO, bitch? You gonna come knocking on my door and hijack my computer and Internet connection and take off with it? I know the serial number to my computer and will gladly have you hounded for thievery.

That made me laugh, hard.


Besides, I'm not going to upload my entire essay because stupid shits on the Internet like to plagarize.

That is the last thing I'd expect to come from you, to be honest. Badasses do not care about their work being plagiarised over the internet, they know that plagiarism is the only way those n00bs could get recognition and thus would eventually fail.

(Bitching about plagiarism over the internet is a pet peeve of mine.)

Badass ... HAHAHAHAHAHA, ah HAHAHAHA. Madness, thats legendary.

Well, what would you have me do? Demand my teacher write a note that says, "I do not grade in red ink."? I posted my transcript earlier, and that essay was written for the class I had a B+ in. Not to mention if you can't tell by the paper, the edges are warped are the ink is a little runny, indicating it's been sitting by my open window for a while. Not that it proves anything, I guess.

And I care about plagarism because it's piracy, and I guess being a future member of "The Business" affects the whole "is piracy right or wrong?" mentality.

Yes, Black Paladin, I'm a legendary badass. Thanks for pointing out the obvious again.

Haha no prob. A badass of LEGENDARY PORPORTIONS.

WTF is "PORPORTIONS"?

Deary me, me and my typos, I believe I meant 'proportions'. Are you not clever enough to pick up on that, or if it was intended as a comeback, then at best it was mediocore.

Well, what would you have me do? Demand my teacher write a note that says, "I do not grade in red ink."? I posted my transcript earlier, and that essay was written for the class I had a B+ in. Not to mention if you can't tell by the paper, the edges are warped are the ink is a little runny, indicating it's been sitting by my open window for a while. Not that it proves anything, I guess.

Note that I'm not saying it's fake, I just said it's dodge because I am used to seeing teachers' comments on schoolwork in red ink. I've seen blue ink teachers but they are less common, which is why I do my schoolwork almost exclusively in black ink.

...but yeah, take it as you will. It does look like a substantial enough proof.


And I care about plagarism because it's piracy, and I guess being a future member of "The Business" affects the whole "is piracy right or wrong?" mentality.

This is pretty amusing, 'cuz you're here and posting...and most of the forum site traffic came from Galbadia Hotel, which thrives on MP3 piracy. Piracy isn't necessarily bad, how else would I have known of the bands which I bought albums from?

I'm an artist and a music composer, but that doesn't influence my whole attitude towards plagiarism IMO. I prefer to let my skills do the speaking instead of throwing a bitch fit over wanker x "stealing" my work, like so many artists like to do nowadays. I feel pretty safe in assuming that the plagiarists wouldn't have the skills to back up their claims that my work is theirs.

Deary me, me and my typos, I believe I meant 'proportions'. Are you not clever enough to pick up on that, or if it was intended as a comeback, then at best it was mediocore.Nope, I'm not clever enough to pick that up.[/sarcasm] (Gotta remember to include that tag for what's-her-face.)


This is pretty amusing, 'cuz you're here and posting...and most of the forum site traffic came from Galbadia Hotel, which thrives on MP3 piracy. Piracy isn't necessarily bad, how else would I have known of the bands which I bought albums from?

I'm an artist and a music composer, but that doesn't influence my whole attitude towards plagiarism IMO. I prefer to let my skills do the speaking instead of throwing a bitch fit over wanker x "stealing" my work, like so many artists like to do nowadays. I feel pretty safe in assuming that the plagiarists wouldn't have the skills to back up their claims that my work is theirs.Indeed, there are good things about piracy. A pirate hentai all the time before checking it out. But, I don't think letting wanker x steal my work is telling anyone my skills. But, I also stand where Maddox does about it: "I'm not good enough to have my own radio talk show" (or in my case, nothing, yet) "yet I'm good enough to be ripped off?"

Nope, I'm not clever enough to pick that up.

I thought not.
[/QUOTE]
Indeed, there are good things about piracy. A pirate hentai all the time before checking it out. But, I don't think letting wanker x steal my work is telling anyone my skills. But, I also stand where Maddox does about it: "I'm not good enough to have my own radio talk show yet I'm good enough to be ripped off?"[/QUOTE]
Prefer the little cartoons to the real deal.
Also replace the 'A' with an 'I'.

Dude, do you even know what the fuck you're typing? Do you even know what the fuck I'm typing? Apparently not.

But, I also stand where Maddox does about it: "I'm not good enough to have my own radio talk show" (or in my case, nothing, yet) "yet I'm good enough to be ripped off?"

Good point there, but remember that in that particular case, elements of real life, including money and the useage of his content in their radio talkshow are involved.

Plagiarism is a petty issue if what gets stolen over the net stays on the net.

PS : I still think the action sequences in AC are quite outlandish.

Stupid boy. A pirate hentai all the time before checking it out. REPLACE THE 'A' WITH AN 'I'. Now Child did you catch all of that.

No, I'm sorry. You lost me at the "boy" part. Could you please repeat it?

I forgot about this topic.
lol at the first six replies and GG4evers first reply.


"the action sequences are too far-fetched." If you're really that dense, then I've got a hint for you:

DON'T WATCH MOVIES. DON'T PLAY VIDEO GAMES. DON'T READ BOOKS.

I'm sorry, i fail to understand why the you are getting so angry. Why are you insulting me? Why should i stop doing stuff.
It's completely uneeded and personal attacks are also not warranted.


It's called "imagination" and "suspension of disbelief." If you're crying about Advent Children's action sequences, I can just imagine what you were like when you saw The Matrix. "OMFG neo hax fooking n00b OMFG im telling admin on u neo and ur gunna b b&!"

What is? why are you doing this? you're making stuff up because you think i'm stupid? why? you don't know me.
I probably didn't say that after watching the matrix, I did say how come noone say him fly just then!


Or Lord of the Rings and "OMFG no weh a ring can controll pplz and maek them evl and OMFG haxx0rz to the maxx0rz."

The movie (LOTR) makes it quite clear that the ring can control people to make them return it to it's maker. FF7 advent children does not imply that humans can ignore the accepted laws of physics simply because they are the team that beat Sephiroth 2 years prior.


There's a fine line between "Having no fucking life" and "Being a motherfucking shit." You fall into the latter, while I fall into the former.

Again, you don't know me. That was a mindless insult and i would expect better from a child. Well done for acting like an idiot on the internet for no reason.

Well, what would you have me do? Demand my teacher write a note that says, "I do not grade in red ink."? I posted my transcript earlier, and that essay was written for the class I had a B+ in. Not to mention if you can't tell by the paper, the edges are warped are the ink is a little runny, indicating it's been sitting by my open window for a while. Not that it proves anything, I guess.

And I care about plagarism because it's piracy, and I guess being a future member of "The Business" affects the whole "is piracy right or wrong?" mentality.

Yes, Black Paladin, I'm a legendary badass. Thanks for pointing out the obvious again.

My intention in telling you to post the entire essay was to check and make sure that you didn't plagiarize someone else.

Again, I'm not arguing about the plot/whatever of the film. I am merely rebuting Prak's original statement. For that reason, I excluded most of your post because quite frankly, I either agree or don't give a shit. The only thing I do disagree with is what I quoted.

Really? You were defending AC pretty strongly in your first post in this thread before directing anything at Prak so I naturally assumed that you were trying to prove that it was a better movie than others are saying, but ok if you say so. Still seeing as you've still decided to make some further points then i'll reply to them.


Cloud and Kadaj have personality changes throughout the movie. Cloud starts out being emo because he thinks Aeris doesn't forgive him for letting her die, then as the movie goes on, he realizes she does forgive him and stops being emo and decides to live with his friend(Tifa, Marlenne, and Denzel) again.

Cloud does not stop being emo. Sure he puts it on hold for a while when undertaking the battles toward the end, but that was only for the benefit of the FF7 fans who wanted to see some flashy fights. Once all the fighting is over Cloud goes back to pretty much how he was at the beginning.


Kadaj starts out all angry and wanting to kill everyone, then he becomes the emorific loser by the end

Kadaj only stops being angry at the end because he's been so heavily injured he runs out of strength both mental and physical, it's not due to a real personality change. Also it's hinted at, during the bike scene at the start of the story, that Kadaj doesn't particularly want to kill Cloud, he's just under the impression that Cloud is withholding information from him on Jenova's whearabouts and as he and his brothers want to know where Jenova is so badly they are determined to get the information out of him so so hassle Cloud throughout the film for it. Underneath it all Kadaj always thinks of Cloud as being his brother. At the start of the movie all of clones are emo mother boys and by the time they all get killed they are still emo mother boys. There is no real personality development in any of them.

Why is anyone still taking this nitwit seriously?

Why is anyone still taking this nitwit seriously?

I'm not, I just like having the last word whenever I can get away with it you should know that by now :p

He's just going to continue his inane blustering as long as you argue with him.

lol well it provides a little light entertainment at least!

Anyway....just to throw my two cents in.....

I think it`s an understatement to call it "too farfetched". Directly from the outset, Advent Children had a "Wacky Races" kind of feel to it. Sure it`s set in a fantasy world but i think it was pushing it in some scenes, most notably the Bahamut scene. I mean, it really says something when you burst out laughing at a movie that isn`t intended to be a comedy. The only movie that cracks me up as much as AC is Commando, and that says a lot.

I forgot about this topic.
lol at the first six replies and GG4evers first reply.LOL at Andyuk's pathetic comprehension of English.


I'm sorry, i fail to understand why the you are getting so angry. Why are you insulting me? Why should i stop doing stuff.Yes, you fail to understand a lot. That is apparent from the fact you made this thread in the first place.

It's completely uneeded and personal attacks are also not warranted.They're warranted with the business end of my foot.

What is? why are you doing this? you're making stuff up because you think i'm stupid? why?Why? BECAUSE IT'S FUN! LOLOLOLOLROFLMAOROFLCOPTERLOLAWL

you don't know me.What the fuck is this? This is like the most emorific response ever. Every emo always uses the not-so-witty comeback, "you don't know me."

I probably didn't say that after watching the matrix, I did say how come noone say him fly just then!Well gee, lucky us. I guess your mind hadn't degenerated enough at the time you saw The Matrix.

The movie (LOTR) makes it quite clear that the ring can control people to make them return it to it's maker. FF7 advent children does not imply that humans can ignore the accepted laws of physics simply because they are the team that beat Sephiroth 2 years prior.Oh, yeah, and the game didn't imply that humans can ignore the accepts laws of physics BEFORE beating Sephiroth? I seem to recall Cloud got sliced and diced quite a bit in the game. And Cid had a habit of leaping several meters in the air and coming down again. Any of that ringing a bell?

Again, you don't know me.Again, I know you are emo.

That was a mindless insult and i would expect better from a child.Damn, dude, you've got pretty low expectations if you expect better from a child.

Well done for acting like an idiot on the internet for no reason.There was a reason: BECAUSE IT'S FUN! LOLOLOLOLROFLMAOROFLCOPTERLOLAWL


My intention in telling you to post the entire essay was to check and make sure that you didn't plagiarize someone else.Oh, yeah, because there's someone else out there that's not a FF7 fanboy and who actually looked at this movie from a critical perspective when writing a paper about it.[/sarcasm]


Really? You were defending AC pretty strongly in your first post in this thread before directing anything at Prak so I naturally assumed that you were trying to prove that it was a better movie than others are saying, but ok if you say so. Still seeing as you've still decided to make some further points then i'll reply to them.Really? That's strange, because the only thing I posted here before Prak started posting was, "If you don't like unrealistic action sequences, then don't watch movies, don't read books, and don't play video games." Then Prak came along and posted some stupid shit he didn't know anything about.


Cloud does not stop being emo. Sure he puts it on hold for a while when undertaking the battles toward the end, but that was only for the benefit of the FF7 fans who wanted to see some flashy fights. Once all the fighting is over Cloud goes back to pretty much how he was at the beginning.No, retard. Did you not pay any attention to him when he was in the Church helping Denzel out? And now he's all happy and shit and has a family.

Also it's hinted at, during the bike scene at the start of the story, that Kadaj doesn't particularly want to kill Cloud, he's just under the impression that Cloud is withholding information from him on Jenova's whearabouts and as he and his brothers want to know where Jenova is so badly they are determined to get the information out of him so so hassle Cloud throughout the film for it.Wow, dumb ass! Thank you for re-declaring what I was telling Prak about the whole "Cloud doesn't die from a gunshot wound at the start of the movie because they're just toying with him." Fuck, do you bother to read posts before donning your Captain Obvious suit?



Kadaj only stops being angry at the end because he's been so heavily injured he runs out of strength both mental and physical, it's not due to a real personality change.

Underneath it all Kadaj always thinks of Cloud as being his brother. At the start of the movie all of clones are emo mother boys and by the time they all get killed they are still emo mother boys. There is no real personality development in any of them.Hip-hip hooray for your interpretation of it. I presented my interpretation earlier, but you're telling me my INTERPRETATION is wrong. -Surprise!- Interpretations are just that. There is no right or wrong.. Now, I think it was Prak or someone who was getting pissed off about personal attacks at people's ideas. So shut the fuck up. Thank you kindly.

*Snore*



*Drool*

Gross, dude. We don't need MORE drooling fanboys.

Really? That's strange, because the only thing I posted here before Prak started posting was, "If you don't like unrealistic action sequences, then don't watch movies, don't read books, and don't play video games."

You also implied in that post that the people complaining about AC's action sequences were, as far as I recall, mother fucking shits. For somebody who supposedly doesn't even like AC you were sure quick to jump in and slate others for criticising it.



No, retard. Did you not pay any attention to him when he was in the Church helping Denzel out? And now he's all happy and shit and has a family.

Ha ha you're calling me a retard, pretty funny considering just how inaccurate your rebuttal is. Now at least if you'd said it and come back with a valid reply your post wouldn't have looked entirely desperate but then I guess some things just aren't meant to be.

Now if you'd actually paid better attention to the film yourself you might realise that i've got a point. Going back to the Cloud and Denzel scene, sure he cures him of the Geostigma but after that what actual indication is there of Cloud being happy? Also what indication is there that he's necessarily going to accept Tifa and the children as his family? He doesn't go anywhere near Denzel, Tifa or any of the others after that. He just see's that vision of Aeris and Zack and he gives a small sad regretful smile at the end. Then the movie ends. There's absolutely no evidence on screen to suggest that Cloud is happy or of how he's going to spend his future before that ending. What you say comes down to theory, not fact therefore your answer counts for absolutely nothing.


Wow, dumb ass! Thank you for re-declaring what I was telling Prak about the whole "Cloud doesn't die from a gunshot wound at the start of the movie because they're just toying with him." Fuck, do you bother to read posts before donning your Captain Obvious suit?

Lol name calling again are we? Well i'm not suprised. People who don't have intelligent replies to make in an argument always resort to that when they can't think of anything better to say. Also why do you keep dragging Prak into everything anyway? Evidently you either seriously need glasses or else are incapable of reading properly. That was a direct response to what you said previously about Kadaj wanting to kill everyone, why don't you actually use your brain before typing out replies? :rolleyes:


Hip-hip hooray for your interpretation of it. I presented my interpretation earlier, but you're telling me my INTERPRETATION is wrong. -Surprise!- Interpretations are just that. There is no right or wrong.. Now, I think it was Prak or someone who was getting pissed off about personal attacks at people's ideas. So shut the fuck up. Thank you kindly.

At least my interpretation is based on what actually happened in the movie. You've imagined half the details of yours and if you think telling somebody to shut up over an internet forum to stop them replying to you is going to have any effect then I can assure you that you're wasting your time. Everyone has the right on here to respond to whatever they choose. From the moment you chose to make your pathetic posts in this thread you invited comments, so if you really want people to stop making replies to you i'd advise not posting any more in this thread, quite simple really :rolleyes:

You also implied in that post that the people complaining about AC's action sequences were, as far as I recall, mother fucking shits. For somebody who supposedly doesn't even like AC you were sure quick to jump in and slate others for criticising it.p/quote]No., dumbfuck, I was quick to jump the gun about stupidshit Prak ranting about shit he doesn't know fuck about. I seem to recall I've stated that several times in this very thread, but everyone on this board is too damn illiterate to read. Yourself included.

[quote]Ha ha you're calling me a retard, pretty funny considering just how inaccurate your rebuttal is. Now at least if you'd said it and come back with a valid reply your post wouldn't have looked entirely desperate but then I guess some things just aren't meant to be.Oh, yeah, and that rebuttal is awesome, too.[/sarcasm]


Now if you'd actually paid better attention to the film yourself you might realise that i've got a point. Going back to the Cloud and Denzel scene, sure he cures him of the Geostigma but after that what actual indication is there of Cloud being happy? Also what indication is there that he's necessarily going to accept Tifa and the children as his family? He doesn't go anywhere near Denzel, Tifa or any of the others after that. He just see's that vision of Aeris and Zack and he gives a small sad regretful smile at the end. Then the movie ends. There's absolutely no evidence on screen to suggest that Cloud is happy or of how he's going to spend his future before that ending. What you say comes down to theory, not fact therefore your answer counts for absolutely nothing.Oh, gee, I don't know. Maybe the fact that Cloud says something along the lines of, "Yeah, I'm happy." to Aeris's ghost. Maybe the fact that Cloud is actually acting human instead of a robot devoid of emotion. And no, the movie does not "end" after "he gives a sad regretful smile at the end." Credits are, believe it or not, part of a movie. The movie does not end until the final fade out sequence. After the credits (or it might even be before, in which case your point is still invalid), the audience is shown a picture of Cloud and friends all together and happy-like with Cloud smiling. And then the Reminescence of FF7 featurette... if you can't figure out what the fuck Barret gives to Cloud and why Cloud's ringing up Tifa to tell her to close the bar, then you're too young to understand.


Lol name calling again are we? Well i'm not suprised. People who don't have intelligent replies to make in an argument always resort to that when they can't think of anything better to say.Yep, that's really relative to the arguement here.[/sarcasm]

Also why do you keep dragging Prak into everything anyway?LEARN TO FUCKING READ YOU ILLITERATE PIECE OF SHIT! I'VE STATED WHY I DRAG PRAK INTO THIS SEVERAL TIMES AND YOU STILL DON'T GET IT!


Evidently you either seriously need glasses or else are incapable of reading properly.Oh, yeah, now you're using the same "insult" that I've been using over and over for the past week. GG.

By the way, you still haven't made any counter-point to my point. You've just been drolling on about how stupid I am and need glasses. You might want to try staying on topic yourself.


That was a direct response to what you said previously about Kadaj wanting to kill everyone, Now you're rambling about stuff that doesn't make sense. I even had to go back and re-read your previous post which I previously responded to which you just responded to. And nowhere in that original post did you even come close to declaring anything of the story.


why don't you actually use your brain before typing out replies? :rolleyes:LOL name-calling again are we? Well, I'm not suprised. People who don't have intelligent replies to an argument always resort to that when they can't think of anything better to say.

Note: Take a lesson on how to correctly write English.


At least my interpretation is based on what actually happened in the movie. You've imagined half the details of yoursYeah, because my brain works. I don't need everything spoon-fed to me. I can take what's present and put the pieces together. I seem to recall detectives and phorensic scientists do the same thing. Are you going to start waging war against detectives and phorensic scientists, saying, "You didn't see what happened so you can't make that deduction even though there's all the evidence in the world to prove you're right!"?

if you think telling somebody to shut up over an internet forum to stop them replying to you is going to have any effect then I can assure you that you're wasting your time.Might want to pass that advice on to your fellow Shriners.

Everyone has the right on here to respond to whatever they choose.Not in Europe they don't.

From the moment you chose to make your pathetic posts in this thread you invited comments,And all I see is unintelligence. See, comments usually have some thought behind them. I.E. Knowing that I was originally correcting Prak about his biased statement of people with "any knowledge of good directing and continuity would not find [this film] any good." But since everyone else took that as, "OMG GG4ever likes AC must try to burn him ow hes fighting back keep trying to burn him" there was never any intelligence in the "comments."


so if you really want people to stop making replies to you i'd advise not posting any more in this thread, quite simple really :rolleyes:Nah, that's cool, I'll pass.

You know, the whole flame war was really your fault to begin with. If you had engaged in a civil debate instead of coming out with your fists bared and making silly arguments and personal attacks, I would not have responded in kind and we would not now have the clusterfuck this has become.

Giga, why are you still taking this pretentious jackass seriously anyway?

But it's fun to come out with my fists bared and swinging at dumb asses' faces. Next time, learn what the fuck you're typing about before typing.

Hint: I knew what I was typing about when I called Trent a sadist. You just didn't know I knew.

Whoops. You again prove you're a moron. You have failed to be a potentially decent member who may one day recover from his cuntishness. You are now nothing more than an object of ridicule.

And all I see is unintelligence. See, comments usually have some thought behind them.

Ha ha the irony of that comment :laugh:



Yeah, because my brain works. I don't need everything spoon-fed to me. I can take what's present and put the pieces together. I seem to recall detectives and phorensic scientists do the same thing. Are you going to start waging war against detectives and phorensic scientists, saying, "You didn't see what happened so you can't make that deduction even though there's all the evidence in the world to prove you're right!"?
Might want to pass that advice on to your fellow Shriners.
Not in Europe they don't.

Congratulations. With that post alone you've proved to me that you know absolutely zilch about good film making, are full of bullshit and therefore are not worth discussing the subject with any futher. Well done on that score.



Giga, why are you still taking this pretentious jackass seriously anyway?

lol really i'm not. However I did initially think behind all the stubborness that there was a small chance the guy might be capable of having a decent discussion with on the film. Admittedly I gave him too much credit.

Whoops. You again prove you're a moron. You have failed to be a potentially decent member who may one day recover from his cuntishness. You are now nothing more than an object of ridicule.

Still, you have got to admire the persistance of the attacks. Don't get me wrong he's still a knob, but the guy keeps bouncing back. Why don't you just ban him and get it over with?

Whoops. You again prove you're a moron. You have failed to be a potentially decent member who may one day recover from his cuntishness. You are now nothing more than an object of ridicule.Oops, you once again forget that you're stating the obvious. Good job, Captain Obvious.


Ha ha the irony of that comment :laugh: Oh, what's this, more name-calling? GG being a contradictory shit.


Congratulations. With that post alone you've proved to me that you know absolutely zilch about good film making, are full of bullshit and therefore are not worth discussing the subject with any futher. Well done on that score. More name-calling! Hip hip hooray for hypocrites!

By the way, you keep telling me to provide intelligent remarks about my arguements, which I have. Now all you're doing is just making simple remarks "ur st00pid" with no substance. Can you be any more hypocritical?


lol really i'm not. However I did initially think behind all the stubborness that there was a small chance the guy might be capable of having a decent discussion with on the film. Admittedly I gave him too much credit.Yep. I sure showed you. Now get lost.


Still, you have got to admire the persistance of the attacks. Don't get me wrong he's still a knob, but the guy keeps bouncing back. Why don't you just ban him and get it over with?Because Prak's not a mod and therefore does not have the ability to ban me. Further more, I don't see why I should be banned for using my brain as opposed to Prak who typed shit he didn't know anything about. And then there's you, who always bounces back also, usually wearing Detective Dipshit's hat.

What does 'GG' stand for? Gay Gimp? :laugh:

Anyway, back on topic. The movie is severely far-fetched and is not to be taken seriously in the first place, after all it's just fantasy.

@ GG
Mmmm I thought Prak was a mod. HAHA you are so decidedly unoriginal. You parade Captain Obvious and Detective Dipshit around so much I can only laugh. The Gay Gimp has run out of ''ideers'' it seems.

What does 'GG' stand for? Gay Gimp? :laugh:Oh, you are so clever.[/sarcasm] I don't know how I'll ever be able to compete.[/sarcasm] Woe is me.[/sarcasm] I am in trouble now.[/sarcasm]


Anyway, back on topic. The movie is severely far-fetched and is not to be taken seriously in the first place, after all it's just fantasy.Fuck getting back on topic. No one cares about this topic anymore. This is "God Gundam 4ever vs Fucking N00b Shits" thread now.


@ GG
Mmmm I thought Prak was a mod. HAHA you are so decidedly unoriginal. You parade Captain Obvious and Detective Dipshit around so much I can only laugh. The Gay Gimp has run out of ''ideers'' it seems.Good job figuring that one out, Captain Obvious.

Wow. Sarcasm caps. Necessary.

It sure is with stupid hos like Irvybabe running around and not knowing what Internet sarcasm is.

Oh GG thinks he owns the site now. Good luck with that GGimp

Hey, look, Giga_Flare! Black Paladin is also making judgements with no physical proof! Wanna tell him he doesn't know shit, too?

Hey, look, Giga_Flare! Black Paladin is also making judgements with no physical proof! Wanna tell him he doesn't know shit, too?

No, 'cause now it's getting silly. :p

You mean it hasn't been silly up until now?

Oh, you are so clever.[/sarcasm] I don't know how I'll ever be able to compete.[/sarcasm] Woe is me.[/sarcasm] I am in trouble now.[/sarcasm]

Placing the closing sarcastic tag serves no purpose and simply makes you stupid putting them in you post.


Fuck getting back on topic. No one cares about this topic anymore. This is "God Gundam 4ever vs Fucking N00b Shits" thread now.

You crapped in the thread with your dribble in the first place and it is not the first time I saw you do that.

It sure is with stupid hos like Irvybabe running around and not knowing what Internet sarcasm is.

Fuck up! You-Who-Spends-Every-Waking-Hour-On-The-Net. You are nothing but a glorified Cunt.

Placing the closing sarcastic tag serves no purpose and simply makes you stupid putting them in you post. Wow, another illiterite (that's illiterite, a noun, not illiterate, an adjective). Try reading the rest of the thread, dumb ass.


You crapped in the thread with your dribble in the first place and it is not the first time I saw you do that.And you're bringing this up... why? I told you no one cares about this topic anymore, and you respond with that. Non-sequitor, fool.


Fuck up!I'm still trying to figure out what you're trying to type here. Do you fuck up often?

You-Who-Spends-Every-Waking-Hour-On-The-Net.You-Who-Are-Captain-Obvious-Every-Waking-and-Sleeping-Hour-of-Your-Life.

You are nothing but a glorified Cunt.I am what I eat. I love eating glorified cunt. You obviously enjoy eating glorified ass.

lol GG4ever you really are a twat.

Wow, another illiterite (that's illiterite, a noun, not illiterate, an adjective). Try reading the rest of the thread, dumb ass.

:laugh: @ his trollish antics


And you're bringing this up... why? I told you no one cares about this topic anymore, and you respond with that. Non-sequitor, fool.

Only becuase you want attention from the whole forum. Nice try though.

Wow, another illiterite (that's illiterite, a noun, not illiterate, an adjective). Try reading the rest of the thread, dumb ass.

And you're bringing this up... why? I told you no one cares about this topic anymore, and you respond with that. Non-sequitor, fool.

I'm still trying to figure out what you're trying to type here. Do you fuck up often?
You-Who-Are-Captain-Obvious-Every-Waking-and-Sleeping-Hour-of-Your-Life.
I am what I eat. I love eating glorified cunt. You obviously enjoy eating glorified ass.

I highly doubt you have had any sexual encounters with the oposite sex, and that line is so overused! have you no sense of originality

lol GG4ever you really are a twat.Twat, cunt, pussy, vagina, honey pot, sex hole...THEY'RE ALL THE SAME THING! LOL!


:laugh: @ his trollish anticsYay! People are laughing! I could make a career as a comedian!

Only becuase you want attention from the whole forum. Nice try though.Well you're obviously giving me attention.


I highly doubt you have had any sexual encounters with the oposite sex,Good for you.
and that line is so overused! have you no sense of originalityReally? I've never heard anyone else ever use that phrase. Except in Health class when they were talking about acne-ridden teenagers who eat fast food and so they get acne.

HAHA ,so boring.

Well GG eats pussy, so what? Now find better insults you half-brained retards, really...your insults directed at GG4ever are pathetic at best.

So why're you still here? Usually when shit gets boring, people with brains LEAVE.

Oh, damn, I just answered my own question.

Yay! People are laughing! I could make a career as a comedian!

You're certainly correct as you are such a clown.

Oh look! We are pissing ourselves laughing at Gay Gimp's closing Sarcastic/Sarcasm tag inventions but no opening ones! *throws him an HTML coding book*

Example:

GG4ever

Very true, the novelty has gone. GGimp you are soo much fun to wind up.

I seem to recall HTML coding uses < and > not [ and ]. What good is a HTML coding book going to do me on a forum?

GG.

I'm sure Black Paladin is an expert in winding up guys.

HAHA, this is irresistable, now don't get amourous GGimp its not you. But your half baked insults are quite funny. Though not as you intended I think.

Yes, I think some of the action sequences were too farfetched. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I am reporting this thread to Sarah now. I am sick of all you morons bickering over petty shit.

I seem to recall HTML coding uses < and > not [ and ]. What good is a HTML coding book going to do me on a forum?

GG.

I'm sure Black Paladin is an expert in winding up guys.

You are correct, but as this is on a forum, '[' and ']' are valid. They are still tag components.

HAHA, this is irresistable, now don't get amourous GGimp its not you. But your half baked insults are quite funny. Though not as you intended I think.What is this bizzare language people of the Internet use to type?

You are correct, but as this is on a forum, '[' and ']' are valid. They are still tag components.Some of the HTML encodes don't even function the same as they do on forums. HTML coding book is useless.

Strikeout HTML tags work in this forum thoughYeah, WTF is up with that? Strikeout is the only one that uses HTML code instead of forum board code.

guys, learn to stay on topic and not shit things up. thanks.