Alice Wonderbra
07-24-2005, 02:48 PM
The perfect band. Discuss.
TK
07-24-2005, 03:05 PM
Well they are a bit of an anomoly in that they got a million times better AFTER they blew up and became popular.
They seem to have decided it would be cool to hop on the "let's make a shitload of money off pretending to be politically motivated and telling thirteen year olds that they should vote" bandwagon, which isn't cool. I've heard a few songs from American Idiot and they were okay, but there was one on the radio that sounded like processed ass.
I dunno, I'm impressed that they've managed to stay around so long and still put out quality stuff fairly consistently, but their days of greatness are over and they're far from perfect. Dookie, Nimrod, and Insomniac are all really classic albums though.
They seem to have decided it would be cool to hop on the "let's make a shitload of money off pretending to be politically motivated and telling thirteen year olds that they should vote" bandwagon, which isn't cool. I've heard a few songs from American Idiot and they were okay, but there was one on the radio that sounded like processed ass.
I dunno, I'm impressed that they've managed to stay around so long and still put out quality stuff fairly consistently, but their days of greatness are over and they're far from perfect. Dookie, Nimrod, and Insomniac are all really classic albums though.
Alice Wonderbra
07-24-2005, 03:09 PM
i was discussing it with someone earlier who thought i wouldnt like them when i realized that everyone likes them enough to listen to them. they are the one band that anyone in the world could listen to. they always put out hits and every sort of person knows atleast one of their songs. theyve been around for a while now too. perfect band imo. its really really hard to make music anyone could listen to.
TK
07-24-2005, 03:12 PM
I've encounted plenty of people who dislike Green Day, on and offline. Sry. :/
Alice Wonderbra
07-24-2005, 03:13 PM
WHAT. i dont believe you.
TK
07-24-2005, 03:15 PM
Two of my closest friends dislike Green Day, as do several people I know from the old Nothing Nice to Say message board that used to exist. Also, in that shitty ass My Chemical Romance thread, some idiots expressed distaste for them.
It's the strange truth.
It's the strange truth.
Alice Wonderbra
07-24-2005, 03:18 PM
they arent real people. they have to be able to listen to them. people tend to exaggerate.
TK
07-24-2005, 03:21 PM
Define "able". Does "able" mean physically capable? Because the people I'm thinking of would ask you to turn it off if you put them on.
Sry! Just accept it!
I actually used to dislike Green Day until I warmed up to his voice. I still think it sounds pretty stupid, but it doesn't bother me like it used to. For like a year after I first got into music, I didn't like listening to them solely because of that.
Sry! Just accept it!
I actually used to dislike Green Day until I warmed up to his voice. I still think it sounds pretty stupid, but it doesn't bother me like it used to. For like a year after I first got into music, I didn't like listening to them solely because of that.
Alice Wonderbra
07-24-2005, 03:22 PM
i am boggled.
....
still the perfect band!
....
still the perfect band!
mrmonkeyman
07-24-2005, 03:31 PM
I liked them until their latest album. Too late to get a political agenda, guys.
Dog_eat_Dog
07-24-2005, 03:58 PM
green day is ok,dookie is cool.....but "the perfect" band!? hahahhahaha...sorry...hahahahahhah
Alice Wonderbra
07-24-2005, 04:05 PM
okay then fellas. who IS the perfect band then.
Maria
07-24-2005, 06:51 PM
I have thier album 'American Idiot' and it's pretty good. I wouldnt say thier the perfect band though.
LunatiCloud
07-24-2005, 07:07 PM
yeah i have American Idiot and it is cool but they are not perfect
TK
07-24-2005, 07:40 PM
okay then fellas. who IS the perfect band then.
No such thing exists.
No such thing exists.
Sleep
07-24-2005, 07:41 PM
Not the best band, But they are "Okay"
Alice Wonderbra
07-24-2005, 08:20 PM
then green day is the closest to perfection, which makes them perfect by default.
Marceline
07-24-2005, 08:40 PM
Dookie was one of the first cds I ever bought. Fun stuff.
I actually really liked a lot of stuff on Warning. I I think I was in the minority (hoho) on that one.
I know a decent amount of people who really dislike Greenday too. Sorry. =/
I actually really liked a lot of stuff on Warning. I I think I was in the minority (hoho) on that one.
I know a decent amount of people who really dislike Greenday too. Sorry. =/
jiro
07-24-2005, 09:13 PM
Pretty good band
*Slayer*
07-24-2005, 09:27 PM
Perfect band and Greenday don't mix. There are some far more perfect bands than them. They are pretty good though.
rezo
07-24-2005, 09:36 PM
There are some far more perfect bands than them.
That's right, because there are degrees of perfection. Greenday is only "a little bit perfect" =|
That's right, because there are degrees of perfection. Greenday is only "a little bit perfect" =|
Bigfoot
07-25-2005, 06:59 AM
Pretty much agreein' with TK here. I can't help thinking they're fantastic, but seeing the band now and listening to half the songs on American Idiot makes me cringe. Still, everything before that was awesome enough for me to forgive them. I really like all their other albums - even Warning, and their pre-Dookie stuff does have its charms.
They were my first "favourite band" that I was really into (Nimrod was one of the first albums I bought; had to buy it twice cos my sister stole it!) and probably the one that started getting me into punk rock and really, into music in general. I've always rather liked Billy Joes voice tho! I see what leeloo means though, all sorts of people with different musical tastes seem to like Green Day...but they are hated by some.
Also, The Weakerthans are pretty much the perfect band, or the closest thing, as far as I'm concerned.
They were my first "favourite band" that I was really into (Nimrod was one of the first albums I bought; had to buy it twice cos my sister stole it!) and probably the one that started getting me into punk rock and really, into music in general. I've always rather liked Billy Joes voice tho! I see what leeloo means though, all sorts of people with different musical tastes seem to like Green Day...but they are hated by some.
Also, The Weakerthans are pretty much the perfect band, or the closest thing, as far as I'm concerned.
Wattson
07-25-2005, 07:02 AM
I can't think of a single song by Greenday that I like.
Once I said this about Greenday, while discussing what I found bad about the Live8 concert I saw part of on tv "Such as: Green Day playing Queen's 'We are the Champions.' I'm not sure which part ruined it more, the horrendous song or Green Day. I'm going to give Queen the benefit of the doubt."
Anyways, regardless, I wouldn't ask anyone to turn it off if they put it on, because most of the time that happens it's their car or their home, and I'm a guest, and I'm not rude enough to be like "ew turn it off."
But, you know, if you like Greenday, that's cool too.
Once I said this about Greenday, while discussing what I found bad about the Live8 concert I saw part of on tv "Such as: Green Day playing Queen's 'We are the Champions.' I'm not sure which part ruined it more, the horrendous song or Green Day. I'm going to give Queen the benefit of the doubt."
Anyways, regardless, I wouldn't ask anyone to turn it off if they put it on, because most of the time that happens it's their car or their home, and I'm a guest, and I'm not rude enough to be like "ew turn it off."
But, you know, if you like Greenday, that's cool too.
Alice Wonderbra
07-25-2005, 07:36 AM
Well shit. I thought I really had something. Who woulda thunk it: people not liking Green Day. =/
iconoclastic pastry
07-25-2005, 09:23 AM
I could have told you that!
Rapture
07-25-2005, 09:50 AM
Green Day, post Dookie are awful shit, imho.
And American Idiot reminds me far too much of commercial shit like Busted/McFly, plus theres the whole political shit, un challenging riffs and boring basslines/solos.
And American Idiot reminds me far too much of commercial shit like Busted/McFly, plus theres the whole political shit, un challenging riffs and boring basslines/solos.
Alice Wonderbra
07-25-2005, 12:19 PM
So are there actually people that dont like Good Riddance? i thought that was like, THE one song that anyone could hear a million times and not be sick of. haha shit. i have honestly never talked to a person that disliked green day =S
Bigfoot
07-25-2005, 12:27 PM
Good Riddance is a good song, but it has been pretty overdone. I think it's funny they always play it as an emotional farewall thingo, partly because it's called Good Riddance (despite the Time of your Life in brackets n chorus) and partly cos there's the quiet part at the start where he messes up the chord and says "fuck". Maybe there's a censored version or something.
TK
07-25-2005, 12:31 PM
Yeah, I definitely got sick of Good Riddance back in the day. Not even remotely close to their best stuff.
There's definitely a censored version though because they played it on the radio practically 24/7.
There's definitely a censored version though because they played it on the radio practically 24/7.
Alice Wonderbra
07-25-2005, 12:32 PM
most of the time they dont start playing the song until after he starts playing it right so they skip all of that.
rikku_rocks
07-25-2005, 12:37 PM
I love Green Day
Keiko
07-26-2005, 09:50 AM
I would jump off a cliff first before I listen to Green Day.
Lukey
07-26-2005, 09:55 AM
I've got Insomniac, Nimrod, Warning, American Idiot and International Superhits!.
Insomniac is the only I really listen to anymore, but I do enjoy Jesus of Suburbia.
Insomniac is the only I really listen to anymore, but I do enjoy Jesus of Suburbia.
my_chemical_romance
07-28-2005, 03:18 AM
Green Day sucl... I agree with many They r just like wannabes AKA mc fly & Busted...... Prefer MCR anyday
GREEN DAY SUCK GREEN EGGS AND HAM
GREEN DAY SUCK GREEN EGGS AND HAM
Lukey
07-28-2005, 08:22 AM
My Chemical Romance are pretty shit, dude.
MossY
07-28-2005, 08:12 PM
I cannot stand green day! i have heard all of four of their albums, dookie, nimrod, insomniac and american idiot so this isn't based on one or two songs I've heard, although i quite like their last three singles. MCR are deadly! I'm glad they released Ghost Of You as a single
Marceline
07-28-2005, 08:43 PM
They've had more albums then that, Mossy.
MossY
07-28-2005, 08:45 PM
They've had more albums then that, Mossy.
Yeah i know theyre just the ones Ive heard. Theres shenanigans and warnings is there anymore?
Yeah i know theyre just the ones Ive heard. Theres shenanigans and warnings is there anymore?
Marceline
07-28-2005, 08:47 PM
Kerplunk
MossY
07-28-2005, 08:50 PM
well i guess thats about half of their stuff that i havent heard. Are those albums good?
Alice Wonderbra
07-28-2005, 09:14 PM
its all good because they are the PERFECT BAND
Lunchbox McGillicuddy
07-28-2005, 09:49 PM
You guys need to get Kerplunk! and the 1039/Smoothed Out Slappy Hours albums also, they're interesting to listen to, a few stand out songs imo.
Wattson
07-28-2005, 10:54 PM
its all good because they are the PERFECT BAND
From your definition, the closest band to being perfect is probably more like the Beatles. !
From your definition, the closest band to being perfect is probably more like the Beatles. !
Dr. Lucien Sanchez
07-28-2005, 11:40 PM
I would jump off a cliff first before I listen to Green Day.
Your comment leaves me understanding that for you to say you'd jump off of a cliff before listening Green Day means you have listened to Green Day to make that accusation. Mate, there's a cliff over there, why don't you bugger off and jump off of it.
Anyway, Dookie was a solid album but there abit shit really, and I'm far too pretentious and indie to like them.
Your comment leaves me understanding that for you to say you'd jump off of a cliff before listening Green Day means you have listened to Green Day to make that accusation. Mate, there's a cliff over there, why don't you bugger off and jump off of it.
Anyway, Dookie was a solid album but there abit shit really, and I'm far too pretentious and indie to like them.
Alice Wonderbra
07-29-2005, 12:51 AM
...ok so the beatles are the perfect band. i didnt want to say that though. le sigh.
Mental Issues69
07-29-2005, 12:54 AM
I love green day. they are one of my favorite bands. some of their new stuff is pretty good. but i think their old stuff is a little better though.
TK
07-29-2005, 01:00 AM
Yeah, there are definitely people out there who can't stand the Beatles, but they are a lot more rare than with Green Day.
grn apple tree
07-29-2005, 04:51 AM
Yeah, there are definitely people out there who can't stand the Beatles, but they are a lot more rare than with Green Day.
i fucking love the beatles. anyways, i don't really like greenday's present stuff. but a friend of mine keeps telling me to listen to some of their old stuff. he really likes greenday... their new stuff as well... but i don't like it... anyways i'll need to check out some of their older stuff then.
i fucking love the beatles. anyways, i don't really like greenday's present stuff. but a friend of mine keeps telling me to listen to some of their old stuff. he really likes greenday... their new stuff as well... but i don't like it... anyways i'll need to check out some of their older stuff then.
CRUNCH BAR
07-29-2005, 05:01 PM
No such thing exists.
How right you are TK. I like listening to bands that actually have guitar skills! But keep on liking them if ya want, nothing stopping you...Music is an art form, so there's really no right and wrong, just preferences/tastes really. Personally I think Green Day sounds like the crappy videogame era music that people play for the sole reason of making money, and hey it worked, sort of...no wonder they call themselves American Idiots...!
How right you are TK. I like listening to bands that actually have guitar skills! But keep on liking them if ya want, nothing stopping you...Music is an art form, so there's really no right and wrong, just preferences/tastes really. Personally I think Green Day sounds like the crappy videogame era music that people play for the sole reason of making money, and hey it worked, sort of...no wonder they call themselves American Idiots...!
Marceline
07-29-2005, 05:59 PM
I've never met a person who doesn't like The the.
I have met many people whose favorite band is The the.
Therefore, The the is the perfect band.
I have met many people whose favorite band is The the.
Therefore, The the is the perfect band.
CRUNCH BAR
07-29-2005, 06:23 PM
I've never met a person who doesn't like The the.
I have met many people whose favorite band is The the.
Therefore, The the is the perfect band.
??
I have met many people whose favorite band is The the.
Therefore, The the is the perfect band.
??
Lunchbox McGillicuddy
07-29-2005, 09:20 PM
I'd rather listen to Green Day than the Beatles, for what it's worth.
CRUNCH BAR
07-30-2005, 01:16 AM
I'd rather listen to the Beatles than Green Day for what it's worth.
rezo
07-30-2005, 01:19 AM
for what it's worth.
IT IS WORTH NOTHING.
IT IS WORTH NOTHING.
Lunchbox McGillicuddy
07-30-2005, 05:56 AM
Final_Fantasy_Freak88
07-30-2005, 12:36 PM
I like Greenday, i like there newest song that is out. I can't think of the name of it right now.
KREAYSHAWN
07-30-2005, 02:31 PM
I saw them live. It was awful. =/ Spouting flame everywhere, making the crowd yell "OH-OOOOOOH" sort of stuff. Lame.
I wouldn't usually say this sort of thing, but THEY CALL THEMSELVES PUNK?
not that they weren't completely rad before the new album. :/
I wouldn't usually say this sort of thing, but THEY CALL THEMSELVES PUNK?
not that they weren't completely rad before the new album. :/
CRUNCH BAR
07-30-2005, 09:35 PM
I thought they still considered themselves part of the new age videogame era music(Green Day, Linkin Park, etc.). Don't they?
Rapture
07-30-2005, 09:56 PM
Well, whatever..they are shite.
Punk = Dead Kennedys.
Punk = Dead Kennedys.
TK
07-31-2005, 03:50 AM
What a brilliant statement, Rapture.
They are shit because the Dead Kennedys are punk. Right on!
They are shit because the Dead Kennedys are punk. Right on!
Marceline
07-31-2005, 04:01 AM
I see no one knows anybody who dislikes The the.
Apparently, I have discovered the perfect band!
Apparently, I have discovered the perfect band!
TK
07-31-2005, 05:55 AM
I'll have to listen to them so I know if I dislike them or not.
Hopefully I will, so I can foil your plans!
Hopefully I will, so I can foil your plans!
KREAYSHAWN
07-31-2005, 02:02 PM
Wasn't Johnny Marr in The The? Or am I nuts?
Durendal
07-31-2005, 04:11 PM
I can't stand Greenday much, anytime they pop up on the radio I change the station, anytime a friend puts them on I tune it out. And I'm not adding much to this conversation but Greenday is a not so good band.
Marceline
07-31-2005, 05:49 PM
Wasn't Johnny Marr in The The? Or am I nuts?
He wasn't an original member, but he was in The the at one point in time.
So I believe you are not nuts.
He wasn't an original member, but he was in The the at one point in time.
So I believe you are not nuts.
Rapture
07-31-2005, 09:13 PM
What a brilliant statement, Rapture.
They are shit because the Dead Kennedys are punk. Right on!
Listen to me sir, the problem I have nowadays, is that I have no idea whether people are being sarcastic, so I have no idea whether to praise them on agreeing with my statement.
What I mean is, how can they think they are punk? If you want punk; Dead Kennedys is the answer.
I still think you're hot though =/
They are shit because the Dead Kennedys are punk. Right on!
Listen to me sir, the problem I have nowadays, is that I have no idea whether people are being sarcastic, so I have no idea whether to praise them on agreeing with my statement.
What I mean is, how can they think they are punk? If you want punk; Dead Kennedys is the answer.
I still think you're hot though =/
TK
07-31-2005, 09:46 PM
The Dead Kennedys aren't punk. By the time they came along, punk had been named, which made it "acceptable" and therefore destroyed the spirit in which it was originally formed. The Dead Kennedys were part of the hardcore movement, which was post-punk and focused on bringing the music to a heavier and more interactive level, with greater emphasis on DIY ethics, and less on shocking fashion.
PUT THAT IN YOUR SEMANTICS PIPE AND SMOKE IT!
P.S. I still think you're hot too.
PUT THAT IN YOUR SEMANTICS PIPE AND SMOKE IT!
P.S. I still think you're hot too.
Rapture
07-31-2005, 10:00 PM
Haha. TK, I really do love you =/
*sigh*
Well, I dont care what they are, they still make my heart do backflips.
*sigh*
Well, I dont care what they are, they still make my heart do backflips.
TK
07-31-2005, 11:54 PM
Haha. I love you as well. I'm just trying to make the point that "punk" is ultimately semantics, and there's little reason not to allow Green Day to fall under the moniker when it already has a highly dubious definition, just because they don't sound like your typical 80s punk band. They're actually a pretty natural progression from the Ramones, if you trace them back musically.
I love the DKs too. They were easily one of the top ten punk bands to ever exist imo. Not that I've ever actually tried to make that list.
I love the DKs too. They were easily one of the top ten punk bands to ever exist imo. Not that I've ever actually tried to make that list.
KREAYSHAWN
08-01-2005, 12:38 AM
Can we just file the DK's under "awesome"? ^^;
rezo
08-01-2005, 12:39 AM
Can we just file the DK's under "awesome"? ^^;
NO.
NO.
TK
08-01-2005, 02:55 AM
Can we just file the DK's under "awesome"? ^^;
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YES.</B>
grn apple tree
08-01-2005, 08:20 AM
damn... tk is like a musical dictionary... also the dead kennedys are cool. i listened to some of their stuff because you said that they were awesome. they're not my favorite band ever but they're good.
TK
08-01-2005, 08:50 AM
It's not so much that I'm a musical dictionary as I'm a "Stuff that TK is really interested in" dictionary.
I was just spouting technical blurbs anyway, I don't actually get that picky about genres. I was just trying to make a point.
I was just spouting technical blurbs anyway, I don't actually get that picky about genres. I was just trying to make a point.
jiro
08-01-2005, 08:52 AM
How was it the topic was changed to the Dead Kennedys? When the topic clearly says, "Green Day"
rezo
08-01-2005, 08:53 AM
damn... tk is like a musical dictionary...
He sure is. Like, one time I asked him "hey, what's the difference between Post Punk and New Wave" and he was all like " I don't really know enough to answer that question", and that's when I realized that TK was like a musical dictionary.
A musical dictionary that was missing a lot of terms and had crappy definitions for the terms it did contain. For example:
Punk - a lot of stuff is called punk now so it all gets to be punk. labels are stupid anyways.
Ramonescore - another stupid label created by idiots.
Post Punk - see: New Age
New Age - ????????????????????????????
He sure is. Like, one time I asked him "hey, what's the difference between Post Punk and New Wave" and he was all like " I don't really know enough to answer that question", and that's when I realized that TK was like a musical dictionary.
A musical dictionary that was missing a lot of terms and had crappy definitions for the terms it did contain. For example:
Punk - a lot of stuff is called punk now so it all gets to be punk. labels are stupid anyways.
Ramonescore - another stupid label created by idiots.
Post Punk - see: New Age
New Age - ????????????????????????????
grn apple tree
08-01-2005, 09:08 AM
He sure is. Like, one time I asked him "hey, what's the difference between Post Punk and New Wave" and he was all like " I don't really know enough to answer that question", and that's when I realized that TK was like a musical dictionary.
A musical dictionary that was missing a lot of terms and had crappy definitions for the terms it did contain. For example:
Punk - a lot of stuff is called punk now so it all gets to be punk. labels are stupid anyways.
Ramonescore - another stupid label created by idiots.
Post Punk - see: New Age
New Age - ????????????????????????????
... alright then ...
A musical dictionary that was missing a lot of terms and had crappy definitions for the terms it did contain. For example:
Punk - a lot of stuff is called punk now so it all gets to be punk. labels are stupid anyways.
Ramonescore - another stupid label created by idiots.
Post Punk - see: New Age
New Age - ????????????????????????????
... alright then ...
TK
08-01-2005, 10:36 AM
Haha wait, you never asked me about "new age", I don't think. I THINK THAT WAS NEW WAVE.
EDIT: In addition, I have never said labels are stupid!
EDIT: In addition, I have never said labels are stupid!
iconoclastic pastry
08-01-2005, 11:56 PM
They're quite useful if you want to judge music beforehand and avoid wasting the time to listen to it!
Marceline
08-02-2005, 12:03 AM
And don't forget, schools can use them to obtain free educational products!
jiujitsu
08-02-2005, 12:46 AM
Dookie is the only good album. It is the best ever.
Everything else is SHIT and so are ALL OF YOU! Especially TK.
Everything else is SHIT and so are ALL OF YOU! Especially TK.
Lunchbox McGillicuddy
08-02-2005, 02:40 AM
Yeah! Dookie is the only good album EVER, by ANY artist. TARDS.
Kool Ranch
08-02-2005, 03:07 AM
I don't like their most recently released single (at least I think it's their most recently released single), "wake me up when september ends," but I like "boulevard of broken dreams."
I like the new political aspect too. I could have cared less about how the country was run when I was younger, but I got into Rage Against the Machine, and even though I didn't know what the hell they were talking about in the songs beyond "political stuff," I liked the music, and the music sounded urgent, so it made me care. I like the thought that some kid could have the same experience with Green Day's new stuff.
Of course, I like their older music about beating off out of boredom as well.
I like the new political aspect too. I could have cared less about how the country was run when I was younger, but I got into Rage Against the Machine, and even though I didn't know what the hell they were talking about in the songs beyond "political stuff," I liked the music, and the music sounded urgent, so it made me care. I like the thought that some kid could have the same experience with Green Day's new stuff.
Of course, I like their older music about beating off out of boredom as well.
Alice Wonderbra
08-02-2005, 03:16 AM
i dont understand why everyone goes on about their "newfound politicism." just because they havent sung about it before doesnt make it taboo imo.
TK
08-02-2005, 03:21 AM
Because it's "cool" now.
<font size=5>ROCK AGAINST BUSH</font>
<font size=5>ROCK AGAINST BUSH</font>
Durendal
08-02-2005, 03:55 AM
omg they use lyrics people think are "cool" now... how lame
Alice Wonderbra
08-02-2005, 04:25 AM
who cares if its "cool." honestly. DO WHAT YOU WANT REGARDLESS OF IT BEING COOL OR NOT COOL. BE TRUE TO YOURSELF /end fiona appleness
TK
08-02-2005, 04:25 AM
Well no kidding but it's rather naive to suppose that is Green Day's motivation.
Alice Wonderbra
08-02-2005, 05:08 AM
why? ;_;
Durendal
08-02-2005, 06:18 AM
Because they sell lots of records therefore the only motivation they have is to make money.
TK
08-02-2005, 07:03 AM
Yeah, Durendal, you know all about my viewpoint on the matter, I'm sure.
Okay, let's see. A band gets really big and famous doing their thing, then they fall out of the spotlight. Bands who have ridden on their popularity start to get the spotlight instead. All of a sudden Green Day reappears in the spotlight immitating those new bands in terms of musical style, fashion, and subject matter, all of which are a sudden drastic change for them.
You're right, it's totally just a coincidence.
Okay, let's see. A band gets really big and famous doing their thing, then they fall out of the spotlight. Bands who have ridden on their popularity start to get the spotlight instead. All of a sudden Green Day reappears in the spotlight immitating those new bands in terms of musical style, fashion, and subject matter, all of which are a sudden drastic change for them.
You're right, it's totally just a coincidence.
Alice Wonderbra
08-02-2005, 07:13 AM
i wont believe it! i will ask them someday, off the cuffffffffff.
Lunchbox McGillicuddy
08-02-2005, 02:51 PM
I'd rather see 30 year old guys singing about politics than generally making "party music". Regardless of if it's supposedly just "the cool thing to do" it atleast shows a level of growth and adaptation which is sometimes good. I think it's silly to look down upon any band for wanting to make money. No matter what sort of goofy attitude all the "true underground" types build up about never wanting to "hit it big" I'm sure the vast majority of people start bands hoping to reach some level of success, money in tow. Green Day already had that sort of success and now are simply trying to keep their music heard and reach more and more audiences. I don't see the harm in it, and from what I've heard of their new album I don't see how they really changed their musical style that much either. The songs just sound better arranged to me, a little more complex, and again, that's certainly not a bad thing.
Rapture
08-02-2005, 03:42 PM
Okay, let's see. A band gets really big and famous doing their thing, then they fall out of the spotlight. Bands who have ridden on their popularity start to get the spotlight instead. All of a sudden Green Day reappears in the spotlight immitating those new bands in terms of musical style, fashion, and subject matter, all of which are a sudden drastic change for them.
You're right, it's totally just a coincidence.
Haha, yes. Coincidence is the FIRST word that popped into my head.
You're right, it's totally just a coincidence.
Haha, yes. Coincidence is the FIRST word that popped into my head.
MossY
08-02-2005, 03:48 PM
hahahahahaha. While looking for the new Q, i seen tvhits and who was on the front cover, none other than green day. Its the kind of thing you'd expect from busted or mcfly, not green day.
Durendal
08-02-2005, 10:30 PM
Yeah, Durendal, you know all about my viewpoint on the matter, I'm sure.
Yep, just like you know exactly what Green Day's motivation was when they made this new album =)
Yep, just like you know exactly what Green Day's motivation was when they made this new album =)
TK
08-03-2005, 02:03 AM
I am basing my assertion on evidence, which I just presented.
If you can show me evidence that I believe any band who achieves commercial success is motivated solely by money, please do!
Basically, you're doing the same thing you're accusing me of, by pigeonholing me. So back up your claim.
If you can show me evidence that I believe any band who achieves commercial success is motivated solely by money, please do!
Basically, you're doing the same thing you're accusing me of, by pigeonholing me. So back up your claim.
Landlord of Sector 7
08-03-2005, 02:17 AM
GREEN DAY ROCKS
DONT WANT 2 BE AN AMERICAN IDIOT OLLOLOLLL
DONT WANT 2 BE AN AMERICAN IDIOT OLLOLOLLL
Durendal
08-03-2005, 10:55 PM
Basically, you're doing the same thing you're accusing me of
Which was exactly what I was trying to do.
Which was exactly what I was trying to do.
rezo
08-04-2005, 01:51 AM
but now you have to back up your claim!
Der Konig
08-04-2005, 03:06 AM
I don't really like Green Day, they make pop music, I consider it pop with guitars that has been labled "Punk" now granted I had an upringing in Rap music so I'm not very learned in the rock spectrum. But their music just doesn't appeal to me. Excuse me while I listen to the Distillers and The Ramones...and other various rap/jpop/and other artists but in this thread no one cares...
TK
08-04-2005, 03:57 AM
The Ramones were almost entirely influenced by pop music.
Hogan
08-04-2005, 02:41 PM
So you'll listen to pop if it's in Japanese and you can't understand it but not if it's relevant to you and your life? Don't get me wrong I don't really like Green Day but seeing as I didn't really listen to music much before this year I have only really heard the new album, and it is not to my liking.
Durendal
08-04-2005, 10:53 PM
but now you have to back up your claim!
Wasn't aware I had made any claim, was simply making fun of people in general who don't like certain bands simply because they made it big or are mainstream. Not necessarily you, I've met plenty of people in person who share that belief.
Guess the closest thing to a claim I made in here is that you don't know what Green Day's motivation was when they made American Idiot. You said they fell out of the spotlight and came back with this album that immitates musical style, fashion, and subject matter of these new bands.
Maybe I haven't scrutinized every track as much as you have, but as far as musical style goes when I heard their new songs I wasn't reminded of any band other than Green Day, so I said to myself "hey this sounds like green day, they must have put out another album, time to change the station now". I can't comment on fashion since I don't watch music videos or go to any Green Day concert so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt there. I honestly don't know what's wrong about writting songs about a different subject matter than they have in the past, people care about different things when they're 30 than they did when they were 19 and if any of them have kids that's probably changed their outlook on life even more.
Seems like you're saying that Green Day did whatever they could to be popular again completely disregarding what it meant for their music or personal integrity. It had been over two years since they last relased an album, they fell out of the spotlight simply because radiostations don't keep most songs in heavy rotation for that long. Green Day already has a huge fan base, they don't need to try and immitate any other band for people to buy their albums and show up for their concerts. Basically they could have put out nearly any pile of rubbish and people would still buy it, they just chose to put out this particular pile of rubbish, I don't know why they did and unless you're either a friend or relative of someone in the band I highly doubt you know either.
Wasn't aware I had made any claim, was simply making fun of people in general who don't like certain bands simply because they made it big or are mainstream. Not necessarily you, I've met plenty of people in person who share that belief.
Guess the closest thing to a claim I made in here is that you don't know what Green Day's motivation was when they made American Idiot. You said they fell out of the spotlight and came back with this album that immitates musical style, fashion, and subject matter of these new bands.
Maybe I haven't scrutinized every track as much as you have, but as far as musical style goes when I heard their new songs I wasn't reminded of any band other than Green Day, so I said to myself "hey this sounds like green day, they must have put out another album, time to change the station now". I can't comment on fashion since I don't watch music videos or go to any Green Day concert so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt there. I honestly don't know what's wrong about writting songs about a different subject matter than they have in the past, people care about different things when they're 30 than they did when they were 19 and if any of them have kids that's probably changed their outlook on life even more.
Seems like you're saying that Green Day did whatever they could to be popular again completely disregarding what it meant for their music or personal integrity. It had been over two years since they last relased an album, they fell out of the spotlight simply because radiostations don't keep most songs in heavy rotation for that long. Green Day already has a huge fan base, they don't need to try and immitate any other band for people to buy their albums and show up for their concerts. Basically they could have put out nearly any pile of rubbish and people would still buy it, they just chose to put out this particular pile of rubbish, I don't know why they did and unless you're either a friend or relative of someone in the band I highly doubt you know either.
jiro
08-06-2005, 08:28 AM
Wasn't aware I had made any claim, was simply making fun of people in general who don't like certain bands simply because they made it big or are mainstream. Not necessarily you, I've met plenty of people in person who share that belief.
Guess the closest thing to a claim I made in here is that you don't know what Green Day's motivation was when they made American Idiot. You said they fell out of the spotlight and came back with this album that immitates musical style, fashion, and subject matter of these new bands.
Maybe I haven't scrutinized every track as much as you have, but as far as musical style goes when I heard their new songs I wasn't reminded of any band other than Green Day, so I said to myself "hey this sounds like green day, they must have put out another album, time to change the station now". I can't comment on fashion since I don't watch music videos or go to any Green Day concert so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt there. I honestly don't know what's wrong about writting songs about a different subject matter than they have in the past, people care about different things when they're 30 than they did when they were 19 and if any of them have kids that's probably changed their outlook on life even more.
Seems like you're saying that Green Day did whatever they could to be popular again completely disregarding what it meant for their music or personal integrity. It had been over two years since they last relased an album, they fell out of the spotlight simply because radiostations don't keep most songs in heavy rotation for that long. Green Day already has a huge fan base, they don't need to try and immitate any other band for people to buy their albums and show up for their concerts. Basically they could have put out nearly any pile of rubbish and people would still buy it, they just chose to put out this particular pile of rubbish, I don't know why they did and unless you're either a friend or relative of someone in the band I highly doubt you know either.
I'm not reading all that! O.O I'll read some, but not all
Guess the closest thing to a claim I made in here is that you don't know what Green Day's motivation was when they made American Idiot. You said they fell out of the spotlight and came back with this album that immitates musical style, fashion, and subject matter of these new bands.
Maybe I haven't scrutinized every track as much as you have, but as far as musical style goes when I heard their new songs I wasn't reminded of any band other than Green Day, so I said to myself "hey this sounds like green day, they must have put out another album, time to change the station now". I can't comment on fashion since I don't watch music videos or go to any Green Day concert so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt there. I honestly don't know what's wrong about writting songs about a different subject matter than they have in the past, people care about different things when they're 30 than they did when they were 19 and if any of them have kids that's probably changed their outlook on life even more.
Seems like you're saying that Green Day did whatever they could to be popular again completely disregarding what it meant for their music or personal integrity. It had been over two years since they last relased an album, they fell out of the spotlight simply because radiostations don't keep most songs in heavy rotation for that long. Green Day already has a huge fan base, they don't need to try and immitate any other band for people to buy their albums and show up for their concerts. Basically they could have put out nearly any pile of rubbish and people would still buy it, they just chose to put out this particular pile of rubbish, I don't know why they did and unless you're either a friend or relative of someone in the band I highly doubt you know either.
I'm not reading all that! O.O I'll read some, but not all
Alice Wonderbra
08-06-2005, 06:11 PM
jiro, i dont like you. =/
TK
08-06-2005, 07:40 PM
Don't worry Jiro, I'll protect you from meanbags who insult you.
Marceline
08-06-2005, 07:53 PM
You have my sword, jiro. Also- my heart.
Der Konig
08-08-2005, 11:45 PM
So you'll listen to pop if it's in Japanese and you can't understand it but not if it's relevant to you and your life?
lol, actually yes believe it or not, I like Russian and Japanese pop, Israeli Hardcore, French old skool (google search Aznavour), and Italian Opera
:D
lol, actually yes believe it or not, I like Russian and Japanese pop, Israeli Hardcore, French old skool (google search Aznavour), and Italian Opera
:D
Hogan
08-09-2005, 05:55 AM
Then shouldn't you also like pop with english lyrics?
rezo
08-09-2005, 07:14 AM
Japanese pop and American pop aren't the same. I'm not saying that Japanese pop is all awesome and such... it' developed a nice amount cliched styles and images that are recycled quite often... but they're not all the same ones that developed in American pop, and there are artists that are even said to have a more "American style" sound. I can't say anything about Russia.
jiro
08-09-2005, 09:00 AM
Japanese pop and American pop aren't the same. I'm not saying that Japanese pop is all awesome and such... it' developed a nice amount cliched styles and images that are recycled quite often... but they're not all the same ones that developed in American pop, and there are artists that are even said to have a more "American style" sound. I can't say anything about Russia.
Yeah you got a point, japanese pop is much better. But there are few american pop songs I like.
Yeah you got a point, japanese pop is much better. But there are few american pop songs I like.
Durendal
08-09-2005, 10:46 PM
I tend to prefer music where I understand the language the lyrics are in, even if I don't understand the lyrics.
jiro
08-10-2005, 06:26 AM
It usually depends on the beat of the music I guess
Dying
09-28-2005, 10:23 AM
The perfect band. Discuss.
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firagamon
01-26-2012, 08:43 AM
Green Day no es la mejor banda.
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