i've always wondered, why is rap music bashed by people?

i mean, they say they objectify the women in their videos. well, those woemn wanted to be invideos, so they obviously knew what it would mean. the lyrics cause people to comit violent acts? anyone who can be influenced by the music doesn't need to be allowed in public in the first place. if i made a rap song aboput climbing a mountain, would you go hiking? you just plain don't understand it? well, i don't get punk rock, or emo rock, or whatever the media's callin it.

so please tell me, why don't you like rap? if you like, post your theories anyway.

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You didn't even spell "Schlong" right, Lord Abortion.

People hate rap because it sounds retarded. It always talks about sex, money and all that stupid stuff. :(

You didn't even spell "Schlong" right, Lord Abortion.

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It took a whole lot of fucking detective work, too. Your IP matched and your posts miraculously stopped where his began.

People hate rap because it sounds retarded. It always talks about sex, money and all that stupid stuff. :(

There's a lot of other music that talks baout those topics which is equally retarded.

Honestly, I can't fucking stand when people are so insanely biased and hate a particular genre. its fine to not have a taste for a certain genre. I didn't like country for a long time, and used to try my hardest NOT to hear it. I go to a redneck school, make new friends, I hear a few songs, and hey, guess what? Not all the songs are all that terrible. Same goes with every other genre of music.

And I doubt rap is anymore "hated on" than any other type of music. If you head down to a predominately black neighborhood (LOLZ RACIAL STEREOTYPES) and ask which music they dont like, it'll probably be something like pop or punk or something like that.

At any rate. I don't like all rap. I have a good number of rap songs I can't stand. It doesnt mean I hate the genre as a whole. Granted, if I only listened to a few songs, I could probably deduce what rinoa has, and assume that every song is about sex and money. Because you know, no other genre of music does that!

It took a whole lot of fucking detective work, too. Your IP matched and your posts miraculously stopped where his began.

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i've always wondered, why is rap music bashed by people?

i mean, they say they objectify the women in their videos. well, those woemn wanted to be invideos, so they obviously knew what it would mean. the lyrics cause people to comit violent acts? anyone who can be influenced by the music doesn't need to be allowed in public in the first place. if i made a rap song aboput climbing a mountain, would you go hiking? you just plain don't understand it? well, i don't get punk rock, or emo rock, or whatever the media's callin it.



I don't think that most people who hate rap hate it for those reasons, and the people who do apply those reasons apply it to pretty much all of modern pop culture. People have been saying the same thing about rock music, movies, books, comics, and video games as long as all those things have existed.

I think the people who are like "I hate rap it is all shit" are usually just people who heard a few rap songs that they didn't like, and decided everything in the genre is exactly that way, and also happen to be the sort of person who thinks anything they don't find appealing is automatically no-talent horse shit. That's the case with people who blindly hate just about any genre.

I hate rap music because they (rap "artists") abandoned the guitar.

And because most rap songs consist of shouting or talking as opposed to actually singing.

But, given that, I can't stand most Rock music, either.

Even so, I can stand to listen to rap a lot sooner than I can listen to any of that shit country music.

I think people hate Rap just because it seems to be the popular thing to do. And a lot of the Mainstream Rap that's on MTV is nothing more than a few words yelled over and over again. Nevermind the fact that the corperations have basically turned it into a cash cow that stupid suburban kids can immitate.

When you see TV commercials advertising "Bling" and a suburban house mom is saying "I love to Bling YO!!!," the genre has been sucked dry and people are sick of it. Some of the rap out there is good, but you have to really look hard, but I think the genre has been overdone, and people are sick of it.

Because hating rap makes you cool on the interweb. 8-)

I don't much like rap because, one, I can't understand a fucking thing, two, their lyrics are not to which I can relate/ like and three, I just can't stand how some rappers act. Like some act all hardcore and shit. Same with most other genres of music but I like those other genres so it evens out..

I hate rap music because they (rap "artists") abandoned the guitar.

And because most rap songs consist of shouting or talking as opposed to actually singing.

But, given that, I can't stand most Rock music, either.

Even so, I can stand to listen to rap a lot sooner than I can listen to any of that shit country music.

My thoughts exactly, for the most part. Except I like a lot of actual country, as opposed to the shitty pop that masquerades as country.

i hate rap cos i just dont like it. i dunno why, it just doesnt sound good to me. you cant rock out to it, you cant sing it, it isnt relaxing, it doesnt get me pumped. the only thing i do with rap is dance to it at da club.

I don't like alot of American popular rap(except the Wu Tang Clan), cause it does all sound the same(to me), but I do like some rap that isn't very popular, but it's good stuff and it just fits my kinda taste in music. Doctor Octagon is one of my favorite rappers

i dont hate rap,as in the beats and sounds,i just hate the rap "artists" and their stupid lyrics.

most of them try to act hardcore,yet they always act as hardcore as the skinny pale white kid in the back of the room.
they ALWAYS rap about cars(that they dont even own),money,"bling",hoes,or themselves.its always the same lyrics for evry rapper out there,only with a different beat.some rappers however,actually have songs that have meaning to it.for example eminems "mosh",not once in that song did he start to rap about cars,hoes,bling or anything about that.

another thing that bothers me,is the fact that,absolutely any1 culd become a rapper(even a stick-skinny pale white kid from wisconsin) and all the music shows and companys will bow down to their knees and suck their d#@k becuz they came up from a hard life.all the new rappers always come with a sad story about growing up in the ghetto and having their parents die when they were like 10!I have a more tragic story then that and i live in the ghetoo,yet i dont promote that in anyway.

also,yea...

2001 saw the death of the golden age of rap. when Dre quit, it was all downhill.

i 2nd that,due to the fact at 2001,we started to see queer rappers come out,and then those queer rappers wuld bring in more queer rappers,then the spiral-of-gay-rappers started

[Dr. Dre]
Yo man there's a lot of brothers out there
flakin and perpetratin but scared to kick reality
[Ice Cube]
Man, you been doin all this dope producin
You ain't had a chance to show 'em what time it is
[Dr. Dre]
So what you want me to do?
{Express yourself!}
[Dr. Dre]
I'm expressin with my full capabilities
And now I'm livin in correctional facilities
Cause some don't agree with how I do this
I get straight and meditate like a Buddhist
I'm droppin flava, my behaviour is hereditary
But my technique is very necessary
Blame it on Ice Cube; because he said it gets funky
when you got a subject and a predicate
Add it on a dope beat; and it'll make you think
Some suckers just tickle me pink - to my stomach
Cause they don't flow like this one
You know what? I won't hesitate to diss one
or two before I'm through, so don't try to sing this
Some drop science; while I'm droppin english
Even if Yella, makes it a-capella
I still express, yo, I don't smoke weed or sess
Cause it's known to give a brother brain damage
And brain damage on the mic don't manage - NUTHIN
but makin a sucka and you equal
Don't be another sequel.. {Express yourself!}
{Express yourself!}
{Go on and do it..}
{Express yourself!}
{Express yourself!}
{Go on and do it..}
[Dr. Dre]
Now, gettin back to the PG
That's program, and it's easy
Dre is back, new jacks are made hollow
Expressin ain't their subject because they like to follow
the words, the style, the trend; the records I spin
Again and again and again - yo, you're on the other end
Whatch a brother blend dope rhymes, with no help
There's no fessin or guessin while I'm expressin myself
It's crazy to see people be
what society wants them to be, but not me
RUTHLESS, is the way to go, they know
Others say rhymes which fail to be original
or they kill where the hip-hop starts
Forget about the ghetto, and rap for the pop charts
Some musicians cuss at home
But scared to use profanity when upon the microphone
Yeah, they want reality, but you will hear none
They'd rather exaggerate a little fiction
Some say no to drugs, and take a stand
But after the show, they go lookin for the "Dopeman"
Or they ban my group from the radio
Hear N.W.A. and say, "Hell no!"
But you know it ain't all about wealth
As long as you make a note to.. {Express yourself!}
{Express yourself!}
{Go on and do it..}
{Express yourself!}
{Express yourself!}
{Go on and do it..}
[Dr. Dre]
{Express yourself!} .. from the heart
cause if you wanna start to move up the chart
then expression is a big part of it
You ain't efficient when you flow, you ain't swift
Movin like a tortoise, full of rigor mortis
There's a little bit more to show
I got rhymes in my mind, embedded like an embryo
or a lesson - all of 'em expression
And if you start fessin, I got a Smith and Wessun for ya
I might ignore your record because it has no bottom
I get loose in the summer winter spring and autumn
It's Dre on the mic, gettin physical
Doin' the job, N.W.A is the lynch mob!
Yes I'ma climb, but you know you need this
And the knowledge is growin just like a fetus
or a tumor, but here is the rumor
Dre is in the neighborhood and he's up to no good
When I start expressin myself, Yella, slam it
Cause if I stay funky like this I'm doin damage
Or I'ma be too hyped, and need a straight jacket
I got knowledge, and other suckers lack it
So, when you see Dre, a DJ on the mic
Ask what it's like - it's like we're gettin hyped tonight
Cause if I strike, it ain't for your good health
But I won't strike if you just.. {Express yourself!}
{Express yourself!}
{Go on and do it..}
{Express yourself!}
{Express yourself!}
{Go on and do it..}
{Express yourself!}
{Go on and do it..}
{Go on and do it..} {*music fades*}

The thing about rap music for me is that it's repetitive. There's typically one beat with maybe a few programmed fills looping over and over. The music over this tends to be very simplistic. The lyrics then are often unintelligent.

That's just not good music to me.

I don't like rap it's lyrics are down to this:

Girls
Cars
Sex
Money
How good they are
And insulting each other
it's repetitive
And the music has always the same beat
I don't like music without guitar riffs, or drums

I dont mind rap when it is crossed with rock. I just get a bit bored with it on its own. Bands like Rage Against The Machine and .sPout. were/are awesome. I must be honest...I quite enjoy Linkin Park too from time to time too.

GARLIC BREAD!?

A repetitive beat is made for dancing, and most of the time, repetitive or not, they are very catchy. And most rappers write their own lyrics, unlike a lot of non-rap mainstream groups today. I happen to think even if they are rapping about giving it to a girl doggy style and spending g's, that they are still pretty talented to be able to write the music, and rap it. and there is some intelligent rap out there. but most of it isn't on the radio, fwiw.

i completely agree with cassie. i cant stand rap, but i am not about to sit here and say that they have no talent and they suck just because i cant get into it. rappers have way more talent than people like britney spears imho. they actually do something creative, whereas britney just tries to act sexy and sings and wiggles a tiny bit.

In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey
Butane in my veins and I�m out to cut the junkie
With the plastic eyeballs, spray-paint the vegetables
Dog food stalls with the beefcake pantyhose
Kill the headlights and put it in neutral
Stock car flamin� with a loser and the cruise control
Baby�s in reno with the vitamin d
Got a couple of couches, sleep on the love-seat
Someone came in sayin� I�m insane to complain
About a shotgun wedding and a stain on my shirt
Don�t believe everything that you breathe
You get a parking violation and a maggot on your sleeve
So shave your face with some mace in the dark
Savin� all your food stamps and burnin� down the trailer park

Yo. cut it.

Soy un perdedor
I�m a loser baby, so why don�t you kill me?

Soy un perdedor
I�m a loser baby, so why don�t you kill me?

Forces of evil on a bozo nightmare
Ban all the music with a phony gas chamber
�cuz one�s got a weasel and the other�s got a flag
One�s on the pole, shove the other in a bag
With the rerun shows and the cocaine nose-job
The daytime crap of the folksinger slob
He hung himself with a guitar string
A slab of turkey-neck and it�s hangin� from a pigeon wing
You can�t write if you can�t relate
Trade the cash for the beef for the body for the hate
And my time is a piece of wax fallin� on a termite
That�s chokin� on the splinters

Soy un perdedor
I�m a loser baby, so why don�t you kill me?
(get crazy with the cheese whiz)
Soy un perdedor
I�m a loser baby, so why don�t you kill me?
(drive-by body-pierce)
(yo bring it on down)
Soooooooyy....

(I�m a driver, I�m a winner; things are gonna change I can feel it)

Soy un perdedor
I�m a loser baby, so why don�t you kill me?
(I can�t believe you)
Soy un perdedor
I�m a loser baby, so why don�t you kill me?
Soy un perdedor
I�m a loser baby, so why don�t you kill me?
(schprechen sie deutches, baby)
Soy un perdedor
I�m a loser baby, so why don�t you kill me?
(know what I�m sayin�? )

People like Britney Spears and other "can music" artists are successful not just because they look good and dance with no clothes on, but also because they have good song writers. Yes, some of the songs might have shit for lyrics, but I'm not afraid to admit that a lot of pop songs have very catchy music. That's why they are popular and played on the radio. The artist's voice could be completely computer generated, but as long as there was a good beat to go with it, it could be a great song, and the "artist" would be the one to get the recognition.

I don't like rap
it's repetitive

I don't like music without guitar riffs

uh... how ironic.

because, honestly, 90% of guitar-related genres are either:
1) something anyone who just picked up a guitar could play almost perfectly (I'm looking at you, "Smoke on the Water" and "Ironman")
or
2) repetitive and sound exactly the same as any other guitar-related music of similar genre


I have to say I dislike most rap. I'm sure there's good stuff out there, but frankly I don't have the will to look. Same with every genre (though some I do have the will to check out).

also, country is often fairly decent.

Express yourself is awesome but it sums up all other rap for bieng crap
reasons why rap is crap
1.same drum beat in every single rap song ever made(except express yourself) and its the same with dance
2.none of it is done by a person apart from the singing its done by synthesizer(except express yourself)
3.its all about the exact same thing no variety at all the beat repeats and repeats and repeats and repeats and repeats and repeats until your driven insane (except express yourself)
and that is why express yourself is the only good rap song ever

And mr wrongpants you couldnt be more wrong if your name was mr verywrongpants

how is there nobody behind the music? have you ever tried to work a switchboard or a turntable? it's not as easy as it looks.at least hip-hop has actually dances. what's the dance with rock? a bunch of idiots in a pit runnin around bumpin into eachother. Express Yourself was a very good song, but not the only good song. you want a song attacking crap rappers? go listen to Atmosphere- One Of A Kind. the beat repeats itself, well, that's the style. in rock music, you listen to the music. in rap, you listen to the lyrics.

oh god not another thread!
anyhoo...i think that most people hate rap because it just gets repititive, they mostly all talk about the same thing " pimps hoes & gangstas" and how thay need to carry guns all the time, it just gets boring and very annoying

i dont like gangsta rap i like the old rap from tha 80's that was about more than just sex, drugs, and dreive bys.

and always remember kids u cant spell CRAP with out RAP

also: rap music. oxymoron. LOLZ.

people make fun of rap and bash on it because simply put that rap music is horrible and shouldnt even be considered a form of music and that is why i stand by the fact my favorite rappers are the dead ones because they dont release any more "songs".... well with one exception (DAMN YOU TUPAC DAMN YOU !!!!!*SHAKES HIS FIST AT TUPAC WITH MUCH HATRED*) *shakes head ashamed* sorry about that one should have shot him in the head not just filled his car full of bullets

uh... how ironic.

because, honestly, 90% of guitar-related genres are either:
1) something anyone who just picked up a guitar could play almost perfectly (I'm looking at you, "Smoke on the Water" and "Ironman")
or
2) repetitive and sound exactly the same as any other guitar-related music of similar genre


I have to say I dislike most rap. I'm sure there's good stuff out there, but frankly I don't have the will to look. Same with every genre (though some I do have the will to check out).

also, country is often fairly decent.

You lost all credibility when you said country music is decent.

Hell, all of the "good country songs" people call off these days are remakes of old rock songs.

You lost all credibility when you said country music is decent.

Hell, all of the "good country songs" people call off these days are remakes of old rock songs.

ohnoes, Odin (and mr.spamhead) think my opinion is wrong, whatever shall I do with my life.

For the record, not every country song is the crap most often referenced to. That is crap. If you look you can find good stuff, (ie the soundtrack to "O Brother, where Art Thou?") or in other languages (there is japanese music that might as well be country, for instance, but we english-speakers just classify it as J-pop/j-rock because I dunno).

Thinking an entire genre is crap just because of the current way said genre is most often percieved shows ignorance.

I personally like quite a bit of rap, but find myself generally disliking the hip-hop style that everyone seems to be rolling with. There are some artists who make it sound alright, but it seems like there are just soo many of them coming out with names that involve lil' or g or something along the lines, and they all sound a bit the same + have some lyrics that don't sound to be all that impressive. Rap rap, as in how it started, and yes, Eminem (lollin), appeals to me a lot more just because it isn't all the same "hip-hop" ish beats, and it's not all about the dope rides or ladies, there are songs that actually talk about some real stuff. Some examples would be "Fuck the Police" if anyone knows the story behind it, and as I'm sure everyone knows Eminem sure likes to make songs about his opinions about political affairs along with his own life.

Erm yeah, no paragraphs.


btw, ludacris 8-)

Old School Rap = Good
New Age Rap = Bad

you sorta just said what i said except in two lines

:'(

Some country music is quite good!

Odin is not. =/



Thinking an entire genre is crap just because of the current way said genre is most often percieved shows ignorance.

x2

Old School Rap = Good
New Age Rap = Bad

yeah.
Rap these days is a bunch o shouting from people that think their hard.

rap is class even though i prefer black eyed peas .. their class who agrees

I don't like rap it's lyrics are down to this:

Girls
Cars
Sex
Money
How good they are
And insulting each other
it's repetitive
And the music has always the same beat
I don't like music without guitar riffs, or drums

Thats why RAP OWNS!! I LIKE RAP YEA MOTHER FUCKER! :D

Yeah Eminem! :D

yes "rap" is dead. It's only survival is in playing the gangster/pimp thing till it's last gasp, it will go the way of disco. Now "Hip-Hop" what I consider true emceeing and DJ'ing, is actualy an old African drumb sound and dance brought to the now. There are very obscure artists out there today who treat the music like an art and truly work to build on what Hip-Hop has done, they just aren't very well known and are black listed from major media coverage and oppressed by "popular" opinion which is mainly influenced by the major media companies.


This art has been raped and bastardized by money grubbing corporations and the large body of ignorant masses who stay tuned into the likes of 50cent, lil', "Crunk" music,3-6 mafia and sutch. People are stupid when it comes to what isn't known(of course) and there's a whole underbelly of Hip Hop that isn't known and is far greater and advanced than what many of you would come to believe. If you are interested in some sources just ask. (DJ)

the green "money" was a nice touch.

...I know

Why is rap hated, you ask? I'll tell you why: It's too loud (mostly the people's fault who turn it up), too obnoxious, not really MUSIC, like ROCK 'N ROLL, baby!!!, and it's only talking to a drumbeat.

so i guess a bunch of guys screaming into a microphone is waaaaaaaaaaaayyy better, right?

too loud? i guess your right. because electirc guitars and drums are quiet, right?

Yeah they scream but the screams it's the reason that people go to concerts to loosen up, and be wild, and get drunk, you talk about rock is all bumpin each other...That's enjoying the show, what do you do in rap concerts, Tilt your head and put your hands in the air? Rap... a rap concert is an hour a guy claiming he is the best that he took a shot and he is still alive, Rock is about Screammming! Havin Fun! Hear great music with different rythms, Pits, Enjoy life, Having fun at concerts ... Rock Blows away Rap!

you've obviously never been to a rap concert. you wanna talk about some wild folks, get in the middle of a crowd of people caught in the beat. last party/concert i went to, we had 8 fights, 5 of em happened right on the dance floor. rap concerts have their own form of mosh pit, only this one isn't about runnin around tryin to knock people down. how is that "enjoying life"? i mean, if i'm bleeding with a concussion after being trampled in a mosh pit, i'm not enjoying life.

Hear great music with different rythms

lol
(and that has nothing to do with your misspelling of the word rhythm)

(DAMN YOU TUPAC DAMN YOU !!!!!*SHAKES HIS FIST AT TUPAC WITH MUCH HATRED*) *shakes head ashamed* sorry about that one should have shot him in the head not just filled his car full of bullets

You should be bitch slapped for saying that, Tupac was a poet. He may have had a few contradictions, he rapped about money and women too, but he's only human.

And Tomorrow By 2Pac Shakur.
Today is filled with anger, fueled with hidden hate.
Scared of being outkast, afraid of common fate.
Today is build on tragedies which no one want's to face.
Nightmares to humanity and morally disgraced.
Tonight is filled with Rage, violence in the air.
Children bred with ruthlessness cause no one at home cares.
Tonight I lay my head down but the pressure never stops,
knowing that my sanity content when I'm dropped.
But tomorrow I see change, a chance to build a new,
build on spirit intent of heart and ideas based on truth.
Tomorrow I wake with second wind and strong because of pride.
I know I fought with all my heart to keep the dream alive.


Rap music today has changed, the goal is no longer the message but record sales. Back in the day MC Hammer was declared a sellout for doing commercials, today every rapper is doing commercials along with energy drinks ect. People have forgotten the times when rap music was still fighting to be heard and now that it can no one cares to send a message anymore.

Nas put it best with "One Mic"

Yo, all I need is one mic, one beat, one stage
One nigga front, my face on the front page
Only if I had one gun, one girl and one crib
One God to show me how to do things his son did
Pure, like a cup of virgin blood; mixed with
151, one sip'll make a nigga flip
Writin names on my hollow tips, plottin shit
Mad violence who I'm gon' body, this hood politics
Ackowledge it, leave bodies chopped in garbages
Seeds watch us, grow up and try to follow us
Police watch us {*siren*} roll up and try knockin us
One knee I ducked, could it be my time is up
But my luck, I got up, the cop shot again
Bus stop glass bursts, a fiend drops his Heineken
Richochetin between the spots that I'm hidin in
Blackin out as I shoot back, fuck gettin hit! [more sirens]
This is my hood I'ma rep, to the death of it
'til everybody come home, little niggaz is grown
Hoodrats, don't abortion your womb, we need more warriors soon
Sip from the star sun and the moon
In this life of police chases street sweepers and coppers
Stick-up kids with no conscience, leavin victims with doctors
IF YOU REALLY THINK YOU READY TO DIE, WITH NINES OUT
THIS IS WHAT NAS IS BOUT, NIGGA THE TIME IS NOW!

[whispering again]
Yo, all I need is one mic..
All I need is one mic.. that's all I need
All I need is one mic.. all I need niggaz
All I need is one mic.. yeah

[gradually getting louder]
All I need is one blunt, one page, and one pen
One prayer - tell God forgive for one sin
Matter fact maybe more than one, look back
at all the hatred against me, fuck alla them
Jesus died at age 33, there's thirty-three shots
from twin glocks there's sixteen apiece, that's thirty-two
Which means, one of my guns was holdin 17
Twenty-seven hit your crew, six went into you
Everybody gotta die sometime; hope your funeral
never gets shot up, bullets tear through the innocent
Nothin is fair, niggaz roll up, shootin from wheelchairs
My heart is racin, tastin revenge in the air
I let the shit slide for too many years, too many times
Now I'm strapped with a couple of macs, too many nines
If y'all niggaz really wit me get busy load up the semis
Do more than just hold it explode the clip until you empty
There's nothin in our way - they bust, we bust, they rust, we rust
Led flyin, feel it? I feel it in my gut
THAT WE TAKE THESE BITCHES TO WAR, LIE 'EM DOWN
CAUSE WE STRONGER NOW MY NIGGA THE TIME IS NOW!!

[whispering again]
All I need is one mic.. that's all I need, that's all I need
All I need is one mic.. there's nuttin else in the world
All I need is one mic.. that's all a nigga need to do his thing y'know
All I need is one mic..

[starting loud this time, getting quieter]
ALL I NEED IS ONE LIFE, ONE TRY, ONE BREATH I'M ONE MAN
WHAT I STAND FOR SPEAKS FOR ITSELF, THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND
Or wanna see me on top, too egotistical
Talkin all that slick shit, the same way these bitches do
Wonder what my secrets is, niggaz'll move on you
only if they know, what your weakness is I have none
Too late to grab guns I'm blastin cause I'm a cool nigga
Thought I wouldn't have that ass done? Fooled you niggaz
What you call a infinite brawl, eternal souls clashin
War gets deep, some beef is everlastin
Complete with thick scars, brothers knifin each other
up in prison yards, drama, where does it start?
You know the block was ill as a youngster
Every night it was like a, cop would get killed body found in the dumpster
For real a hustler, purchased my Range, niggaz throwin dirt on my name
Jealous cause fiends got they work and complain
Bitches left me cause they thought I was finished
Shoulda knew she wasn't true she came to me when her man caught a sentence
Diamonds are blindin, I never make the same mistakes
Movin with a change of pace, lighter load, see now the king is straight
Swellin my melon cause none of these niggaz real
Heard he was, tellin police, how can a kingpin squeal?
This is crazy, I'm on the right track I'm finally found
You need some soul searchin, the time is now

All I need is one mic.. yeah, yeah yeah yeah
All I need is one mic.. that's all I ever needed in this world, fuck cash
All I need is one mic.. fuck the cars, the jewelry
All I need is one mic.. to spread my voice to the whole world


Rap has changed, but if you look hard enough you can still find realness through all the imagery.

Thats why RAP OWNS!! I LIKE RAP YEA MOTHER FUCKER! :D

Yeah Eminem! :D

hey you should write a song with that in it:
I LIKE RAP YEA MOTHER FUCKER!
I LIKE RAP YEA MOTHER FUCKER!
I LIKE RAP YEA MOTHER FUCKER!
Yeah Eminem! (repeat)

what do you do in rap concerts, Tilt your head and put your hands in the air? Rap... a rap concert is an hour a guy claiming he is the best that he took a shot and he is still alive, Rock is about Screammming! Havin Fun! Hear great music with different rythms, Pits, Enjoy life, Having fun at concerts ... Rock Blows away Rap!



no, what you don't understand is that rock is a form of hip hop and vice versa. Hendrix was the prototype hard rock artist with the big hair and fanatical fans. Even elvis ripped his style off of a Black southern club, listening from the outside. Rock/Hip Hop Both stem from the same culture and people(americans mainly shaped the sound), look back in history don't listen to me. It's the race of people doing the music that allows it to be labeled in the 1st place, this shouldn't be; and as i've said b4 a lot of you don't know TRUE hip hop. You let MTV shape your view on this form of music. Rap(Rapping) is the act of an emcee on a mic, there is mad Hip Hop that doesn't even involve lyrics. As i've said earlier Hip Hop is actualy framed and descended from African drumb/dance and both are GREAT, but Hip Hop is surely most profound in that it is shaped and fueled by an opressed and misunderstood people.

I hate rap, because I think it sounds crap.

Rap is not Hip Hop Dark Maige. Most people not of the states and even people in the states over look this fact. The money loving corporations are having a field day force fucking Hip Hop down the neck making it a cash cow for themselves. Black males here who do the art are usualy so poor that they'll sell the art tought to them by others for mere profit, this is destroying the art. There is also white America that is uneducated about Hip Hop and buy "Rap" albums because they think it's the current manifestation of the art form and know nothing of the underground movement which was once mainstream and highly artfull. I am a DJ and the battle continues.

why is this in the music section? rap doesnt deserved to be called music...it berely pulls off shit

There is also white America that is uneducated about Hip Hop...

You managed to cram quite a bit of racism and elitism into very few words. Well done.

Prak!! it's to commune what you mean in the best way possible. Though i'm a flawed man I try and am not a racist and I say so myself regaurdless of my skewed observations and tainted opinions. I DO know hip hop though, do you? But for the label game which is centuries old I would point out a group of people I KNOW are out there and speak what i've observed on it all.


You managed to cram quite a bit of racism and elitism into very few words. Well done.

And actualy, now that I look at that statement I see where I was wrong. The majority of Americans don't even know hip hop. It's more popular over seas than it is here. Americans are stuck on stupid rap. The falsity in that statement you pointed out Prak(thanx) I'll correct in that actualy there are an alarming number of "white" hip hop fans out there and most hip hop albums can be bought in "white" neighberhoods!!! I know this because i've traveled the cerquit and have gotten most my vinyl collection by leaving "the hood" and traveling to the "white hood" to get my shit. Many minorities out there don't even have enough fuckn money to buy music let alone true hip hop which is not in "our" local music stores because the majority have been brainwashed by radio to listen to and think "rap" is true Hip Hop or music in general. I call the shit "fornication Frequencies"! the label game continues....

i've always wondered, why is rap music bashed by people?


Because it makes kids smoke crack and kill white people.

Rock does the same thing in reverse Dirge! I think all music today reflects how mentaly mangled and crazed the people are today including myself. The thing is we should fight it. My opinion will NEVER be fact in a world like this and there will always be those who dislike me and you, but from what I can figure... fuck it.

Rock makes people angry and also tells them to do heorin.

Now this is for all you bastards who dont like rap,rap is good because
1)it tells it like it is i mean all those other bastards are fake and some rappers are fake to.
2)and to the person who said DIE TUPAC DIE i would make you eat those words if i knew where you live.
3)for those peole who think rap should not be called music what about all those wannabes like the backstreet boys,nsync and JJUSTIN FUCKEN TIMBERLAKE should that crap or any other crap like it be called music
4)andmy final point any one who dosent like rap should go to hell becase it is awesome so go fuck your rich white mother (bastards)oh wait you probably havent reached puberty yet(BASTARDS)

so who here is black?

Does it matter? For the record we're all one people with different attributes and you can even hear it in the music. It's our societies that are the experiment gone wrong.

Now this is for all you bastards who dont like rap,rap is good because
1)it tells it like it is i mean all those other bastards are fake and some rappers are fake to.
2)and to the person who said DIE TUPAC DIE i would make you eat those words if i knew where you live.
3)for those peole who think rap should not be called music what about all those wannabes like the backstreet boys,nsync and JJUSTIN FUCKEN TIMBERLAKE should that crap or any other crap like it be called music
4)andmy final point any one who dosent like rap should go to hell becase it is awesome so go fuck your rich white mother (bastards)oh wait you probably havent reached puberty yet(BASTARDS)

This serves as further evidence that rap either kills brain cells or only appeals to those who naturally lack them.

so who here is black?

Or, who here is a white wigger?

why does race make such a difference. you wanna know the truth? there would be no rap or hip-hop without white people. Russel Simmons created hip-hop, but the first artists were white. so go shove that up ur ass all these "only black people should rap" or "white rappers are an embarassment" fuckers.

but seriously, i don't have a problem with gangsta rap, i do have a problem with rappers who only care about makin money and gettin women. i never cared. the only reason i rap is because i like doing it. if i only ever had one fan, i'd be fine. as long as my music is being heard, i'm content.

why does race make such a difference. you wanna know the truth? there would be no rap or hip-hop without white people. Russel Simmons created hip-hop, but the first artists were white. so go shove that up ur ass all these "only black people should rap" or "white rappers are an embarassment" fuckers.

but seriously, i don't have a problem with gangsta rap, i do have a problem with rappers who only care about makin money and gettin women. i never cared. the only reason i rap is because i like doing it. if i only ever had one fan, i'd be fine. as long as my music is being heard, i'm content.

I just think rap is nothing more than talking fast with a shitty beat in the background.

why does race make such a difference. you wanna know the truth? there would be no rap or hip-hop without white people. Russel Simmons created hip-hop, but the first artists were white. so go shove that up ur ass all these "only black people should rap" or "white rappers are an embarassment" fuckers.

but seriously, i don't have a problem with gangsta rap, i do have a problem with rappers who only care about makin money and gettin women. i never cared. the only reason i rap is because i like doing it. if i only ever had one fan, i'd be fine. as long as my music is being heard, i'm content.


Naw man, you numb skull. Russel Simmons didn't create Hip Hop and the first artists were not white. Someone mis educated your ass to the point of Duuuuhh..... and I will not take the precious time out of my day to correct that false statement. Hip Hop is African drumb and still lives on today, some people just make me want to have my own nuclear stock pile!! J/K but I will slap fire out a zombie brained fuck head once quikly.

okay, Russel Simmons brought it to the mainstream. and some, if not most, of the first artists were white.

okay, Russel Simmons brought it to the mainstream. and some, if not most, of the first artists were white.

:?...eh..no

people hape rap because it is a load of shite!

Any ignorant comments like that one, which don't back up your opinion, are considered useless and no one really cares. At least most of the people who like rap haven't been OH GOD I HARTE YOU UGYS UR TERIBLE U SUX @ MUSIC. But rather, most of us have explained why we like it in a decent way with actual legit arguments backing it up. thx.

I just see no musical brilliance or talent in Rap music at all. I always get the feeling that there making up these terrible lyrics as they go along.:/

And, tommorow, if a hole opened in the ground and swallowed up every rapper on the planet, i`d be a quite happy guy.

I just see no musical brilliance or talent in Rap music at all. I always get the feeling that there making up these terrible lyrics as they go along.:/

And, tommorow, if a hole opened in the ground and swallowed up every rapper on the planet, i`d be a quite happy guy.

I agree with you, I think rap is just a monitonous drone over and over again.

I was watching this one video on mtv of this guy with a big head standing on a building and he was just shouting "IM A BAD MAN" over and over again.
Its just crap, these people get payed a hell of a lot of money for something that doesnt require you to have any talent at all =\

I agree with you, I think rap is just a monitonous drone over and over again.

I was watching this one video on mtv of this guy with a big head standing on a building and he was just shouting "IM A BAD MAN" over and over again.
Its just crap, these people get payed a hell of a lot of money for something that doesnt require you to have any talent at all =\

True, and while there getting wads of cash, REAL musicians are strugling to make it into the industry.

I don't see how you guys don't think rappers are real musicians. Granted, no actual instruments are used, but if you actually listen to decent rap, a lot of the lyrics are absolute genius. And they WRITE THEIR OWN MUSIC. And most of the time they CAN make it up as the go along, and that takes a lot of talent right there. Maybe if they start singing about breaking up with their girlfriends and how terrible/emo life is you might enjoy it more.

I don't see how you guys don't think rappers are real musicians. Granted, no actual instruments are used, but if you actually listen to decent rap, a lot of the lyrics are absolute genius. And they WRITE THEIR OWN MUSIC. And most of the time they CAN make it up as the go along, and that takes a lot of talent right there. Maybe if they start singing about breaking up with their girlfriends and how terrible/emo life is you might enjoy it more.

lol, well i can only stomach a small portion of music nowadays. I like 70s,80s and early 90s rock. But i never have and never will consider rap real music. I can see why people like it (maybe) but i can`t imagine sittin back, putting on earphones and listening to that pap. Give me Queen anyday.

So what kind of rap have you listened to? Honestly, I understand that there is a lot of shit rap out there, and I hate it probably just as much as you do. However, I'm not going to go and assume that everything out there is shit. The 70s 80s and 90s all have shit music, but I'm not going to wish that every artist from those eras would disappear from the earth and just because they TEND have lyrics about a particular subject, think they are all equally shit and not try to be open minded about that type of music.

So what kind of rap have you listened to? Honestly, I understand that there is a lot of shit rap out there, and I hate it probably just as much as you do. However, I'm not going to go and assume that everything out there is shit. The 70s 80s and 90s all have shit music, but I'm not going to wish that every artist from those eras would disappear from the earth and just because they TEND have lyrics about a particular subject, think they are all equally shit and not try to be open minded about that type of music.

I`ve listened to a bit so i can`t make a ultimate assumption, but to me it all sounds alike. It`s the usual guy moaning into a mic about how he pulled himslf up from shit and is noe "the king o bling" or somethin like that. It has no substance, it`s just bland.

I'll give you a reason why rap is hated, and here he is.....

Rap music at its best....

LOL, John Cena, his songs are the crappiest i have ever heard!!!! Is that Mc Hammer??? John Cena is a guy that makes shitty music and everyone just love him, is a strange phenomon that started with a little bitch called Madonna, how i miss Kurt Cobain....

Yeah, I like how people keep saying that "l0l all the rap is the same", when it has been said many times that there is high quality rap out there that isn't like the stuff on the radio. :-(

Here's the Bottom line:

I can see why rap music is popular, but it doesn't make it good. All of rap these days are men talking about how many women they have slept with and how much money they have. Its not music! In fact, rap music these days only have one instrument playing and thats the Synthisizer.
Rock, these days, isn't much better. In fact, its not even rock, its trashy pop / trashy punk rock. The point is people like Greenday, Avril Lavigne, Simple Plan and MANY MANY MORE make the music industry bad.
No music is moving foreward these days........

...Except one type of music. That is VGM, or more commonly known as Game Music. I could talk passionatly about VGM for hours and still not be finished. And i'm not talking about Final Fantasy music (FF music is one of the worst sources of VGM), im talking about composer's like Masashi Hamauzu (who worked on FFX with Junya Nakano and Nobuo Uematsu, SaGa Frontier II and UNLIMITED: SaGa), Daisuke Ishiwatari (who worked on the Guilty Gear series), Sound Team JDK (who worked on the Ys series), Taito sound team Zuntata, Konami Kukeiha Club, Super Sweep Inc. (wich consists of VGM vetaran Shinji Hosoe, who worked on Xenosaga Episode II, Takayuki Aihara, who worked on Drag-On Dragoon Music, Nobuyoshi Sano, who also worked on Drag-On Dragoon music), Yasunori Mitsuda (who worked on the Chrono Series and the Xeno series), Yoko Shimomura (who worked on Kingdom Hearts, Legend of Mana, Parasite Eve and Live a Live), Yoshitaka Hirota (who worked on the Shadow Hearts series and also did the sound effect programming for Chrono Trigger), Hitoshi Sakimoto (who has worked on Final Fantasy Tactics, Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, Legaia Duel Saga, Vagrant Story, Breath of Fire V: Dragon Quarter, Stella Deus and just finished working on Final Fantasy XII and is replacing Nobuo Uematsu for future FF games. GO SAKIMOTO!!), Masaharu Iwata (who worked on Baroque, Treasure Hunter G, Final Fantasy Tactics and is Hitsohi Sakimoto's buddy and co-worker at their company Basiscape), Hiroki Kikuta (who worked on the Seiken Densetsu series, not including Legend of Mana), Koichi Sugiyama (who worked on the Dragon Quest Series and Hanjuku Hero Divertimo), Koji Kondo (who is the composer for the Mario series, Zelda series, Super Mario RPG and also has Sir Paul Mcartney as a fan!) and Motoi Sakuraba (who worked on the Star Ocean Series, Valkyrie Profile, Baten Kaitos, Tales of series with Shinji Tamura and also did Shining The Holy Ark, Force of Light and Shining Force III)

I urge you all to listen to VGM outside of the Final Fantasy Series (except Final Fantasy VI by Nobuo Uematsu, that score is absoloutly supurb. It beats any John Williams score ever made!).

I don't see how you guys don't think rappers are real musicians. Granted, no actual instruments are used, but if you actually listen to decent rap, a lot of the lyrics are absolute genius. And they WRITE THEIR OWN MUSIC. And most of the time they CAN make it up as the go along, and that takes a lot of talent right there. Maybe if they start singing about breaking up with their girlfriends and how terrible/emo life is you might enjoy it more.

Isn't music supposed to sound good? Rap doesnt sound good its just a load of shouting. Are you saying that every musician apart from rappers dont write their own music? Also my mate can make it up as he goes along and he's just an ordinary bloke, its not hard.

Isn't music supposed to sound good? Rap doesnt sound good its just a load of shouting. Are you saying that every musician apart from rappers dont write their own music? Also my mate can make it up as he goes along and he's just an ordinary bloke, its not hard.

What music do you listen to?

Isn't music supposed to sound good? Rap doesnt sound good its just a load of shouting. Are you saying that every musician apart from rappers dont write their own music? Also my mate can make it up as he goes along and he's just an ordinary bloke, its not hard.

Doesn't mean its any good.

Seriously, you guys keep throwing the same shit out "THEY YELL STUFF" "THEY RAP ABOUT WOMEN AND MONEY" "I CANT UNDERSTAND THEM", but besides that, which most of which is only found on the radio, you have nothing else to back up your statements.

I guess I don't mind if people don't particularly like rap music, but I don't understand the unnecessary hate towards it. I'm not a big fan of "emo" music, but if someone were to send me a song that was emo and it sounded good, I wouldn't NOT listen to it because it was emo.

And no, I wasn't saying that all non-rappers don't write their own music, but since everyone here seems to like to generalize on mainstream music, then most mainstream artists don't write their own lyrics, and if they do, they aren't very good. Even if rap music is about fucking bitches or spending g's, there are songs that can make it FUN to listen to, and its rapped about in a way that does show some real talent.

I'm done with this thread because it just goes in circles ^o^

Every argument in FFS goes in circles, better to get out while you can.
What we needed was a poll.

i dont mind rap mixed with rock either. what i hate is when people dress up in clothes that drag halfway across the room, or when they wear 20 ibs of fake gold or stainless steel crap, with their hats sideways and them thinking they r so badass. (they look retarded 2 me). i also hate metal and that screaming sh!t.

i dont mind rap mixed with rock either. what i hate is when people dress up in clothes that drag halfway across the room, or when they wear 20 ibs of fake gold or stainless steel crap, with their hats sideways and them thinking they r so badass. (they look retarded 2 me). i also hate metal and that screaming sh!t.

Bit of advice mate, get rid o that huge sig.

Every argument in FFS goes in circles, better to get out while you can.
What we needed was a poll.

a poll wouldn't count for anything. Just because there are a number of people in here saying RPA USX O MAN I HATE IT doesn't mean its a more valid opinion than anything I, or anyone else who has agreed with me, has said in this thread.

To the few people who don't like rap that actually put forth a decent reason why, thanks. The rest of you can fuck off.

~~peace out nigs~~

a poll wouldn't count for anything. Just because there are a number of people in here saying RPA USX O MAN I HATE IT doesn't mean its a more valid opinion than anything I, or anyone else who has agreed with me, has said in this thread.

To the few people who don't like rap that actually put forth a decent reason why, thanks. The rest of you can fuck off.

~~peace out nigs~~

Cassie, when you grow up your taste in music will (hopefully) change. When that happens then come back and talk to me. I`m having trouble taking you serious.

haha WOT. Because I listen to rap music suddenly means I'm not grown up? Honestly, you're the one who needs to grow up and realize that just because you aren't fond of something doesn't mean that its bad in itself. Comments like that just mean that you're the one with the growing up to do.

haha WOT. Because I listen to rap music suddenly means I'm not grown up? Honestly, you're the one who needs to grow up and realize that just because you aren't fond of something doesn't mean that its bad in itself. Comments like that just mean that you're the one with the growing up to do.

*applause*

~takes a bow~

~takes a bow~

Lets not go nuts

I met a man from Ireland that was retarded once. I guess that means everyone from Ireland is retarded. :rolleyes:

Lets not go nuts

im not going nuts

im just

gEtTiNg CrUnK uP iN dA cLuB

gEtTiNg CrUnK uP iN dA cLuB

:/ Nuff said bi-atch

nigga please

nigga please

Bigga bigga...BOOM!

hey cracker

get the fuck out

hey cracker

get the fuck out


Yo too fresh bi-atch

hey, fresh was a good thing back in the 50s

hey, fresh was a good thing back in the 50s

Rofl,
So what does it mean now? y`now rap-wise

It means rap should die an exruciatingly painful death by surgical removal from Hip Hop. I'm 98.3% sure the great majority of you haven't heard Hip Hop. This form of rapping and musicianship(yes music, there are instruments in Hip Hop depending on the group, i.e. The Roots) has excelled over any other form of music out there simply because it combines all forms of music creatively and is only limited in possibilities by those who practice the art. I can't explain enough to you people or convince you of what you are ignorant of but I can say you are missing out on great music under the label of Hip Hop or Rap because of your half shaped opinions and cultural/racial/social views and lack of searching. I will post some links to some great tracks you've never heard in your life soon, successfully making some of you aware that Hip Hop is out there and usualy kept secret by the powers that be or those who like it's exclusiveness. I am one of the latter and won't go out of my way to convince some cat in Ireland or Rural Alabama to change his views and look where he would ignore, finding gold.

im pretty sure there has only been what three or four people who have posted good things about rap an those who have said anything bad about rap should die

I hope not. It wouldn't help any, conflict in man descends from devision of man and the destruction of self and family. Who's to blame? Certainly not Hip Hop. Do the knowledge...

People hate rap because its rubbish. Simple really.

And then there was Hip Hop.
http://www.stonesthrow.com/madlib/
I'll make a thread on it. Indeed...

Hip hop....rap....all sounds the same too me.
In a very bad, ears bleeding way that is.

And then there was Hip Hop.
http://www.stonesthrow.com/madlib/
I'll make a thread on it. Indeed...

Yes, black man music in general is crap......... (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sarcasm)

People hate rap because its rubbish. Simple really.

Actually, people hate ROCK, because IT is crap.

It made my cock bleed once true story.

Actually, people hate ROCK, because IT is crap.

It made my cock bleed once true story.

Rofl, please elaborate :)

I met a man from Ireland that was retarded once. I guess that means everyone from Ireland is retarded. :rolleyes:

hey.

i resent that. ;-;

Yes, black man music in general is crap......... (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sarcasm)


Hip Hop is the most successful musical art form these days because it combines technology with instruments and poetry with rhythm. Think about it, the potential for this art form is limitless. Sometimes I myself use unbeleavable resources to accomplish a track i.e. sampling the many strings of the harp and scratching the sound artfuly on some turn tables!! I add in a snare or drumb kick from Bethovin then splice in a rare baseline from an obscure reggae group from the 70's! Not to mention I play the guitar,piano,drumbs and am just getting into the flute. I'm also masterful with the turn tables. The techniques are endless and they are bitten and stolen by other music genres out there and Hip Hop gets no frickin respect. It was hated out the gate and now that it's a grown up it's not respected as an elder and pioneer of 21st century music. Sure there's garbage out there, but you can say the same thing referring to food and people!

Hip Hop is the most successful musical art form these days because it combines technology with instruments and poetry with rhythm. Think about it, the potential for this art form is limitless. Sometimes I myself use unbeleavable resources to accomplish a track i.e. sampling the many strings of the harp and scratching the sound artfuly on some turn tables!! I add in a snare or drumb kick from Bethovin then splice in a rare baseline from an obscure reggae group from the 70's! Not to mention I play the guitar,piano,drumbs and am just getting into the flute. I'm also masterful with the turn tables. The techniques are endless and they are bitten and stolen by other music genres out there and Hip Hop gets no frickin respect. It was hated out the gate and now that it's a grown up it's not respected as an elder and pioneer of 21st century music. Sure there's garbage out there, but you can say the same thing referring to food and people!

you play the drums but yet you can't spell it. that's frightening.


anyway, lately iu've heard alot of people saying that rap is too easy. not true. it's easy to rap, but doing it well takes practice and considerable skill.

In my opinion, rap music sucks but I have the same opinion for country, hip hop, pop, death/black metal, modern rock, jazz, and modern metal. The only music I really listen to is 70s/80s rock and metal along with a small bit of oldies.

rap will NEVER die i wont let it

I don't like rap in general. Having said that i can ocasionally hear a rap song that i like. Rap was better ten/fifteen years ago. there was a lot more good songs and the whole fued thing is probably the most intresting chapter in musical history over the last fifty years. The tabloid press portray modern rappers and their songs as some kind of fuel for violence which really is a load of shit. basically i don't like modern day rap because i find it repetitive and all the songs and artists very similar but the same applys to basically every genre at the minute. in the rock genre too artists have become less inventive and individual. it seems to be more the fault of the record labels, refusing to take chances on a more unique and inventive style of music for fear of poor sales, and instead only producing the stuff they are confident will sell. this probably explains the falling music sales (in the uk at least). Then again this is all my own opinion and someone will probably disagree with me completely, which is fine as this whole thing is about musical taste and opinion.

Rap AKA (rap sucks because its not real singing and its lyrics are nothing but pure b|_|llsh!t

You didn't even spell "Schlong" right, Lord Abortion.

Owned, anways back to topic. Rap in most people's ears is not considered music, its more like talking to a tune, thats why most of the elderly people dont like it. They are used to their 70's and 80's disco, or even further back.

someone said only sex and violence in rap? Absolutely not ;) most raps are about hate but there are some about racism, love and war, and why they excist .

Btw the post above me, is just spam, please specify on why spam is "b|_|llsh!t"

btw l33t is very old and considered l4m3 ;)

not all rap sounds the same people i can easily tell the diff between most rap/hip hop artists because most of them are rapping about something different.

Rap "music" is also hated because theres not enough real instruments.


Owned, anways back to topic. Rap in most people's ears is not considered music, its more like talking to a tune, thats why most of the elderly people dont like it. They are used to their 70's and 80's disco, or even further back.

someone said only sex and violence in rap? Absolutely not most raps are about hate but there are some about racism, love and war, and why they excist .

Btw the post above me, is just spam, please specify on why spam is "b|_|llsh!t"

btw l33t is very old and considered l4m3

You are unintelligent and a crowd follower.

You are a crowd follower because you said "Owned, anways back to topic. Rap in most people's ears is not considered music, its more like talking to a tune, thats why most of the elderly people dont like it. They are used to their 70's and 80's disco, or even further back." Give unpopular old music a try You cant realy say what you said because youve obviousley never listend to pre 90's. you also dont like leet because its old.

You arent very intelligent because you said "only sex and violence in rap? Absolutely not most raps are about hate but there are some about racism, love and war, and why they excist ." most of thoose things are related to either sex or violence.

You also said my post was spam when the thread is in fact called "rap, why is it hated" I answerd the question did i not?

The leet was also a way of avoiding my words being blocked I asumed everyone hade the brain power to figure that out.

Hard to believe Bigfoot and this fellow come from the same continent, isn't it?

Hard to believe Bigfoot and this fellow come from the same continent, isn't it?
...?

Rap "music" is also hated because theres not enough real instruments.

Define a "real" instrument.


You are unintelligent and a crowd follower.

haha.


Give unpopular old music a try You cant realy say what you said because youve obviousley never listend to pre 90's. you also dont like leet because its old.

You obviously haven't listened to enough rap to have an informed opinion. Your are invalid. Boo.


You arent very intelligent because you said "only sex and violence in rap? Absolutely not most raps are about hate but there are some about racism, love and war, and why they excist ." most of thoose things are related to either sex or violence.

Racism love and war are linearly related to sex and violence? I see.

Regardless, the majority of rap and hip hop doesn't deal with "sex and violence". Hip hop has a histroy of being very political. Most hip hop artists do not write songs that are in any way similar to the three rap songs you heard on the radio and thus formed a completely biased, ill-informed ignorant opinion on the entire genre.


You also said my post was spam when the thread is in fact called "rap, why is it hated" I answerd the question did i not?

No, you merely illustrated your complete lack of knowledge on the subject. ;)


The leet was also a way of avoiding my words being blocked I asumed everyone hade the brain power to figure that out.

Fuck. Shit. Piss. Cunt.

I am only replying to the comments that do make sense and deserve to be.


Define a "real" instrument. a device used to make music that does not realy on electricity (besides electric guitar) basically turn tables and synphasizors are not instruments.


You obviously haven't listened to enough rap to have an informed opinion. Your are invalid. Boo. What are you basing that on?


Regardless, the majority of rap and hip hop doesn't deal with "sex and violence". Hip hop has a histroy of being very political. Most hip hop artists do not write songs that are in any way similar to the three rap songs you heard on the radio and thus formed a completely biased, ill-informed ignorant opinion on the entire genre.

I have listend to 4 albums full of rap garbage all 80 songs were about how bad there life is or how many people theyve killed

The only good hip hop is from the 80's

a device used to make music that does not realy on electricity (besides electric guitar) basically turn tables and synphasizors are not instruments.


So by saying a Synthesizer isn't a real instrument, your saying a keyboard isn't a real instrument?

Say what?
Any musical instrument that relies on electricity isn't a real instrument?
Hahahha, you're crazy.


I have listend to 4 albums full of rap garbage all 80 songs were about how bad there life is or how many people theyve killedFour whole albums! FOUR! That's definitely not enough, sorry. As proven by the fact that you think that electric instruments (BAR OF COURSE GUITARS BECAUSE GUITARS ARE THE KING OF INSTRUMENTS AND ANYONE WHO PLAYS ANYTHING ELSE IS A FAGGOT SISSY FAG) aren't really instruments at all.

Basically, by your logic, any song that relies upon electricity to be, well, the full song, is actually not music. Or it's only quasi-music.

Also, your lame point about "hey guys hip hop is just about how bad their lives are" is just as well applied to a lot of rock these days. Linkin Park? Hellooooooo.

So, what sort of music do you like, twinkle-toes? I bet you dollars to donuts that I can apply your hasty points to it.

So by saying a Synthesizer isn't a real instrument, your saying a keyboard isn't a real instrument? yes


Also, your lame point about "hey guys hip hop is just about how bad their lives are" is just as well applied to a lot of rock these days. Linkin Park? Hellooooooo.
I dont like new rock, it sounds like grinding metal.

I like classic rock Rolling stines, Queen etc... dis it, see if I give a damn.

Queen is wicked to. I dug their songs for Highlander among others. Anyway, Hip Hop is powerful music with an even more powerful message. Many haven't heard it. They are too busy listening to the corporation wars headed by contracted rappers who speak what their told 2 over radio frequencies.

As Duo and mrmonkeyman has said, you have not listened to enough rap albums. Listening to 4 albums and 80 songs from about 1 million (songs) is showing how "big" your variety is...

Yes you did answer the question. Took you a few more posts to explain yourself.

I'am unintelligent? What facts are YOU basing this on? Then a crowd follower, if you can explain that to me on WHY I'am a crowd follower, I'am happily handing over the arguement.

Kubirio: Hard to believe Bigfoot and this fellow come from the same continent, isn't it? <-----Are you talking about me? If you are what do I have to do with bigfoot? Please define.

Duo: Racism love and war are linearly related to sex and violence? I see. <---- My mistake.

-esp-: hade <----You were very angry while typing your reply, typos like that occur when you slam the keys on your keyboard, try to control yourself, no need to get mad.

Never mind it all PuX. We can't satisfy even an opinion with an opinion. There will always be those who don't respect yours and the best way to combat it is to say nothing at all (if you can't proove them wrong). We merely bump heads and bruise brains and egos. All I know is Hip Hop is the voice of todays black youth. Rap in my opinion is the voice of todays black youth being held hostage by money grubbing men who care nothing for what children the world over hear in their ears. There's money to be made in war on the streets, radio or the battle field.

I am only replying to the comments that do make sense and deserve to be.

You're quite luck I replied to anything you said. Quite. It may be for your benefit, perhaps I can educate you a little.


a device used to make music that does not realy on electricity (besides electric guitar) basically turn tables and synphasizors are not instruments.

Alright, that'd your definition. Please qualify this. Why, exactly, does being electricity-powered stop an instrument from being an instrument (ASIDE FROM GUITARS I LIKE THOSE)? 500 words, on my desk by Friday.


What are you basing that on?

You claim most rap is about "sex and violence". You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.


I have listend to 4 albums full of rap garbage all 80 songs were about how bad there life is or how many people theyve killed

The only good hip hop is from the 80's

Wow, 4 albums. Pardon me for disagreeing with you, clearly you're an expert.


all 80 songs were about how bad there life is

are you sure that wasn't a rock album? I mean some rock songs are like that so surely they ALL are right L:OLLL?

You know, maybe you're right. Infinite Livez's 'Bush Meat' was all about sex and violence, it didn't have anything to do with his one eyed puppet Billy Convex and it wasn't a Concept album AT ALL. Public Enemy weren't about politics! Oh no! 'Fear of a Black Planet' was all about TITS. I don't know what The Streets are talking about, but I have good money on it being only sex and violence at this point. Grandmaster Flash was pro-drugs. Not anti! Of course, white lines was appreciation of cocaine!

Thanks for telling me, fuck, I feel such a fool, thinking these albums were about things completely unrelated to sex and violence, when, in fact - they were. God bless you, you sweet little moron.

Kubirio: Hard to believe Bigfoot and this fellow come from the same continent, isn't it? <-----Are you talking about me? If you are what do I have to do with bigfoot? Please define.

I was reffering to -eSp-. They are both Aussies, apparantly.


The only good hip hop is from the 80's

That's a pretty bold statement. Sometimes you have to search a little harder, but it's out there. ...Endtroducing is exhibit A in my case that you are wrong. What's more, the album was made without the aid of "real instruments." Samples, samples, and more samples. It's one of the few examples that sampling can be so much more than ripping off a baseline.

Ok, Kubirio, thanks for clearing up discussion ends for me here. AtomNarmer: Your right, best thing to do is leave it :)

I can't believe I come from the same continent as -eSp-.

An Electric Guitar is an instrument. A keyboard is an instrument. A synthisizer is an instrument. Dude, there all instruments, you still have to play them, thus, making them automaticly an instrument. There are ALOT of electricity based instruments around and by saying there not instruments your saying that about 50% of instruments are not real. Maybe you should research a bit more before you argue with us, -eSp-

because it's not singing, it's just talking really weird.

Enough with the noob bashing already. You've all re-stated your points numerous times. We've all got our views on the matter and there's no need to get bitchy. For instance, I much prefer jazz and think rap and heavy metal are generally poor. When asked why, I simply give the answer that none of you have thought of, I think. Because I like jazz and don't like rap/heavy metal/punk rock.

There's a big difference between "I dislike genre of music!" and "All music from genre of music is inherently crap cos I said so!", and anybody dumb enough to hold the latter opinion deserves to be flamed. Lots.

SQUIGGLY YOUR SIG IS RIGHT :(:(:(:(
Anywho, I am not the biggest fan of rap, however it is all down to personal taste.

it is all down to perosnal taste.
My point exactly.

I don't like rap, because I personaly don't like that style of music. I listen to classic rock, such as Iron Maiden, Led Zeppelin, AC DC, and so on and so forth.

P.S I most likly spelled the bands names wrong.

Sorry one more point....Why cant talking be considered as music?

Vocals are a part of the music, the voice is an instrument. Yup.

A voice doesn't have to be used for singing in order for it to be musical. Also:


because it's not singing, it's just talking really weird.

Not always. In fact melodies aren't uncommon in rapping at all.

u gotta understand that almost all of the rappers come from poor places and all they know is how to buy the right white tee or how to take the safety out of their guns you know they grew up selling drugs and rap is their big break. Only probelm is that all they have is their hoodish mind to help them write.

not completly true they dont always rap about being all thugged out and shit they may rap about other shit Tupac for example did come from the streets but he was also a poet and not all of those poems were about being a hard core gangsta from poverty

so like, if a keyboard (which is pretty much an amplified piano) isn't an instrument, why is a guitar.

A keyboard isn't anything like an amplified piano really because it's not a stringed instrument.

Actually, here is the difference between a keyboard and an electric guitar: The keyboard operates purely on electric energy being converted into acoustic energy. The electric guitar creates acoustic energy which is turned into electric energy by the guitar's pickups, and it is then turned back into acoustic energy by the amplifier. So basically a keyboard just eliminates one of the steps, making it a more "pure" instrument than an electric guitar.

In other words, if you want to try to claim that keyboards aren't "real" instruments, you're not allowed to let electric guitars be, either.

yes


I dont like new rock, it sounds like grinding metal.

I like classic rock Rolling stines, Queen etc... dis it, see if I give a damn.

ur too WHITE to give a damn.

now listen to your shit music again cuz all you can do is talk 8-)

i listen to rap all the time, im listening to it right now, some people like it some dont oh well

Rap Music - One of the world's biggest oxymorons, followed closely by Microsoft Works and Government Organisation

A keyboard isn't anything like an amplified piano really because it's not a stringed instrument.

Actually, here is the difference between a keyboard and an electric guitar: The keyboard operates purely on electric energy being converted into acoustic energy. The electric guitar creates acoustic energy which is turned into electric energy by the guitar's pickups, and it is then turned back into acoustic energy by the amplifier. So basically a keyboard just eliminates one of the steps, making it a more "pure" instrument than an electric guitar.

In other words, if you want to try to claim that keyboards aren't "real" instruments, you're not allowed to let electric guitars be, either.That's a far more intricate and well thought out explanation of what I said.

Hence me quoting it and agreeing with it!

because it's not singing, it's just talking really weird.

heh, and what would that make hardcore rock music? they make screaming into music why can't poetry done to a beat be considered music?

I hate rap music because they (rap "artists") abandoned the guitar.

rap abandoned every instrument except the bass and the all power computer =-O

Because is LOW and shitty..

MONKEY LOW CLASS MUSIC.. That easy...
The videos sucks too.. Those BLACK guettos.... black people showing guns.... their horrible sick houses and hoods. and SO ON.

I enjoy a moderate amount of rap.

Some rap music is fine, but the majority of the cRap nowadays are cliched and a talentless hack of a popular stereotype. We need to hear more rap songs about stuff other than that gangsta shit.

I find that it's bullshit that so many cunt-crusts has raped the genre dry of every single penny. Eminem I can tolerate because he doesn't take himself seriously, but 50 cent and Tupac really needs to be thrown into a busy intersection and crushed between 2 pick up trucks.

And anyone who says country music is shit just because it's country music is a fucking moron. There are good AND bad country music out there.

i'm expecting T.K any minute now :p

i dislike rap, well manily because it sucks but, there not even singing. there not changing tone at all, its just talking to a beat. and what makes that worsre is that the beat isnt even created by a really indtroment, the manily use techno beat keyboards with a drum machine to give that oomf. and theres usually a bass in there to but the keyboard can handke that to.so basically i dont even know how it can be classifed as music if it doesnt have musical elements. (?)

It could all disappear and I wouldn't miss it...

Nothing like music elitism.


The thing about rap music for me is that it's repetitive. There's typically one beat with maybe a few programmed fills looping over and over. The music over this tends to be very simplistic. The lyrics then are often unintelligent.

That's just not good music to me.


I don't like rap it's lyrics are down to this:

Girls
Cars
Sex
Money
How good they are
And insulting each other
it's repetitive
And the music has always the same beat
I don't like music without guitar riffs, or drums

I agree partly with these, though I'll listen to (and do have) some rap music. I steer cleer of the ~ Girls, Cars, Sex, Money, How good they are, insulting each other and talking about how they're gonna bust yo ass lyric'd stuff though. Having been studying in and writing music for 2 and a half years now, also the really repetive background tracked rap just bores the hell out of me.

Why do I get this feeling of mild racism within these pages? Oh well....Hopefully it will slide off.

Now, a lot of you all are saying how rap is repetitive and oh it sucks and stuff like that because they only talk about sex, drugs and violence. Well, rap has grown so much that it has something called 'sub-genres'. All that type of rap is known to be Hardcore Rap/Gangsta Rap.

That's the one everyone supposedly hates. And that's why it's so repetitive. Because it's in the same genre...Duuuurrrrh.

There are other types of rap you know. People who don't really curse and don't talk about the things you all are bringing up. They talk about positive things about life. They are rather poets interpreting their feelings through a beat.

People like Common, Talieb Kwali, Jurassic 5. They're not your typical crotch-grabbing, gun toting rappers.

Besides, even Gangsta Rappers, at some point, soften up their lyrics for particular songs.

I'm usually open to almost every type of music. And I grew up on Rap/Hip-Hop and R&B. So, to see people make comments on Rap and I know that many of you haven't even listened probably 5 songs from 5 different artists. I wouldn't jump the gun as to saying "I Hate It because it's crap."

Hell, I had that same feeling towards Rock. Just a bunch of guys screaming with a guitar and drums whoopee. I wouldn't blink twice at it. Now almost a fourth of my playlist has songs from Metallica, AC/DC, Korn, Slipknot, Stabbing Westward and Static X.

Most of you just need to think outside the box and actually listen to some other type of music and give it a chance. You might like it.

Most of you just need to think outside the box and actually listen to some other type of music and give it a chance. You might like it.

I agree. You never know what kind of gold you'll find when you're randomly searching for something new.

There is more to music than what you hear on the radio or on your favorite tv show.

One thing that really irks me, though, is whenever someone brings up certain type of music in a topic, there's bound to be some racial siding. Black kids will go with rap and whites with rock and that random German kid will go with Nina Hagen(I love her).

Music should't have to be associated with a race. Music is a universal language.

Gosh, if that didn't make me sound like a hippie, I don't know what did.

...Korn, Slipknot...

...ahahahahaha
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

They are rather poets interpreting their feelings through a beat.

Beatniks?

...ahahahahaha
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

x2

Rap this century is crap. lets face it, its all too materialistic and rappers sold out. in the 90's it had meaning, and it was a time when rap was relevant to a particular community. young teens these days dont know about the old days, all they hear is 50 cent and wankers like that. They like punk/ emo stuff cause it has "meaning" to them, in the lyrics.

theres my 2 cents.

Rap is pretty much like any other genre, most of the mainstream and popular things aren't very good and then there tends to be a whole lot of extremely talented artists in the local and underground/indie type scenes. I am actually a rather large fan of hip hop but a lot of the artists I listen to are from Minneapolis or are connected to the Rhymesayers label. There is a lot of shitty rock and pop too. Like just know when people are laughing about bands like Slipknot. Most people who know a thing or two would laugh just as much about Ja-rule or Nelly. Also the people who are saying that rap isn't music are pretty darn silly, just because it is not what you think of as traditional music doesn't mean it isn't. It has beats and uses newer technology for instrumentation and the lyrics are delivered in a non-traditional style. Just because something is hasn't been around all that long doesn't make it wrong.


edit:

They like punk/ emo stuff cause it has "meaning" to them, in the lyrics.
Sure it has meaning to suburban white kids.

more edit: The people saying all rap is about bling and hoes are also being silly because that again falls under it's not all like the stuff on the radio heading. Most popular modern rock is pretty single minded as well.

WHO BADMOUTHED SLIPKNOT!!??

they are truly gods among all musicians.

*bows*

I have more godliness in my toenails.

Rap as a majority sucks ass, there's only little good rap left, now all you got is this crappy R&B, pop, gangster rap stuff taking over the genre, it's good in some parts but the rare good parts are normally underground groups and rappers.

I'm a metalhead, I like Metallica, Iron Maiden, W.A.S.P. and Dio mainly and I've heard lots of other music before, punk rock, pop rock, pop punk, rap, techno, dance, "rave". I've heard it before all over the place but I don't like most of it, there's one or 2 groups I like in other genres but nothing special. There seems to be a belief that you have to be black, from the streets and illiterate to rap, the first being the most common. I liked a good few of Eminem's songs and he wasn't all about gangsters and crap like that. Rap music is hated because the majority of it sucks ass, the actual good stuff is outweighed, forced into submission. Poof. Off with the fairies. Snuffed it. Kicked the bucket. It's bleeding demised!

Eminem I can tolerate because he doesn't take himself seriously, but 50 cent and Tupac really needs to be thrown into a busy intersection and crushed between 2 pick up trucks.


How can you say such a thing about tupac? He did what he loved, he didnt sell out and rap about money and nightclubs all the time like 50cent does.

Same reason I think Slipknot should go slip the knot on themselves. They have always been shit, and will always be shit.


I like Metallica

I hope to god you're talking about back when Cliff Burton was still alive.

And what's wrong with the albums after that? Artistically speaking, they were much stronger after Burton died, even if their style did change dramatically.

I liked them with and after Cliff, I like them now. I'm a fan of the Load album. Even metal has it's ups and downs like rap but it's not as big a deal because you don't get retards yelping on with their gangster turds. It burns, I tell you truth, it burns!

I don't think people like rap because it's a bad influence. My younger brother and my older sister listen to it, but I don't. It's stupid and people have bad taste if they like it.

A guy with an advent children avatar is saying others have bad taste? Hardly a credible claim!

A guy with an advent children avatar is saying others have bad taste? Hardly a credible claim!

What are you talking about? Are you saying final fantasy sucks?

Lacking in reading comprehension skills as well as taste, I see.

Lacking in reading comprehension skills as well as taste, I see.

If I couldn't read I couldn't write this sentence. So I say you're lacking.

Again, you prove the lack of comprehension skills.

whoa, this is going to get hot.

Again, you prove the lack of comprehension skills.

Prak, I don't think I like you. You're an asshole. I know you're going to give a negative response after this, so I'm going to say fuck you in advance.

you don't get retards yelping on with their gangster turds. It burns, I tell you truth, it burns!
Yes, instead you get sweaty men yelling about death and destruction. total upgrade!

Orochi, Prak is saying that you can't comprehend what he is saying, not that you can't read it. He implied Advent Children sucked, something I totally agree with, but instead of taking that from what he said you took that he meant the whole FF franchise. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

I don't really know why I posted this.

Prak, I don't think I like you. You're an asshole. I know you're going to give a negative response after this, so I'm going to say fuck you in advance.

hahaha, this never gets old.

Also, Rap Music is hated because its fucking shite.

Orochi, Prak is saying that you can't comprehend what he is saying, not that you can't read it. He implied Advent Children sucked, something I totally agree with, but instead of taking that from what he said you took that he meant the whole FF franchise. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

I don't really know why I posted this.

He said READING comprehension skills you stupid little lock.

He said reading COMPREHENSION skills you stupid little lock.

Hogan, you sure don't talk much. You just quote what other people say. And about Prak, I checked what he said originally. I was right.

He said reading COMPREHENSION skills you stupid little lock.

Yes, instead you get sweaty men yelling about death and destruction. total upgrade!

that's just black and death metal, sometimes it goes into other places. The only sweaty man in metal I know of has to be Axl Rose and he sucks.

I told you this would get good, poor Orochi is getting owned.
You're going to get yourself into deep crap and laughed at for making attacks on other members, by what I've seen no one gives a crap about it and there's no one to stop people from laughing and making fun of you. I'd join in if it were up to me but I don't feel like it. Don't bother trying me on for size for this post.

Oh my. I never imagined Orochi would be so entertaining. Oh wait. He might not understand that. I should put it terms he can comprehend.

Orochi u r funy bcuz ur 2 stupid 2 get wut im saying.

And what's wrong with the albums after that? Artistically speaking, they were much stronger after Burton died, even if their style did change dramatically.

It's mostly the attitude of Lars and James after Cliff died, definitely not cool, the whole napster deal. They went from supporting bootlegging, to being uppity about P2P. I'd have to disagree though with your statement, I feel that the musical composition in albums produced during the Cliff Burton era are the strongest in the band's history. Sure there are a couple of okay albums released after he died, I don't think they're as good. Also, St Anger made me go "Fuck this shit!" to Metallica.

Maybe in the future they'll improve, but for now, they are pretty much a shadow of their former selves.

I agree their attitude turned pretty shitty, especially Lars'. However, that really doesn't have any bearing on their music.

You'd be pretty hard-pressed to prove that their earlier work was artistically superior. At that point, every album was simply more of the same. It wasn't until Ride the Lightning that they actually started to take risks and try to further develop their sound. If you preferred their style while it was still raw, that's perfectly fine. However, it did become far more refined over the years, their instrumentals developed a great deal more variance, and their lyrics actually became marginally meaningful.

As for St. Anger, nobody takes that one seriously anyway. Everyone knows it was an utter failure. And why did it fail? Because they threw away all the refinement that had gone into their music in previous years.

You may be on to something there.

that's just black and death metal, sometimes it goes into other places. The only sweaty man in metal I know of has to be Axl Rose and he sucks. Man! Can you imagine people making assumptions about a genre from just a couple of bands?

mind boggling!

Man! Can you imagine people making assumptions about a genre from just a couple of bands?

mind boggling!

I think that's the situation most of the time when people make a strange opinion/stereotype on a genre of music. If we label them out of this thread, how many posts would be left?

ok, i think rap sucks because it talks about unrealistic emotion, the beat is shallow, repedative and not musicall challenging or involving. the lyrics are just as boring and no talent is needed as they dont sing, all they can do is talk fast and if you have ever heard a little sister talk on the phone it OWNES rappers speed and pace. truth is it is lame and irritating. personally i dont like it because musiclly it sucks and spiritually does nothing for anyone

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Its hated because of all the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ that the niggers are getting.

nobody likes a rich nigger.

thats why im the most hated person in my school. :)



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You can't spell "crap" without "rap."

I don't think people like rap because it's a bad influence. My younger brother and my older sister listen to it, but I don't. It's stupid and people have bad taste if they like it.


Rap is not hip-hop, as hip-hop is a son of jazz. The true hip-hop sound is independant from the commercial culture and even the emcee. It realy at first had little to do with lyrics and few have truely understood this. They see what is on t.v. or anywhere else in the media and think "this is rap" when infact they are correct! There is a rapper on a hip-hop beat. A rapper is not an emcee or a poet as much as he is a rhymer and when that rapper has no material to draw on but materialism while he is rapping then his music becomes a shallow bi-product of true hip-hop music. He did it for the cash as an undereducated, underapreciated black youth who doesn't have the money or the time to master instruments and is handicapped by cheap keyboards that make monotonous, hollow drumb loops.


That is NOT hip-hop. If you haven't heard hip-hop then shame on you. You haven't heard everything..

WHO BADMOUTHED SLIPKNOT!!??

they are truly gods among all musicians.

*bows*

in the words of eric cartman: WEAK

furthermore, i'm not gonna give an opinion on rap since I know too little of it

It's just not my style

It's hated because of closed mindedess, rap is nothing but expression of emotion buut I don't feel for many modern day rappers they are too focused on "yeah i got money, I got all the honeys". Rap is the more verbal interpretation of blues, you rap about your life or your struggles not a 3 min long bragging session. Before you just bad mouth rap you need to listen to the greats Biggie Smalls, Big Pun or Tupac and it doesn't hurt to find out about it's history.

The history of hip hop is totally awesome. I think it might be more intresting than the history of rock.

Strangely both are started by black people, then like most parts of African-American culture, mutated and raped by overuse of white people. Not saying that culture is for one person, but you have to admitthere are soo many doped up wannabe gangsta suburban kids. I honestly don't care what you listen to, but just changing your entire personality to just fit in is rediculous.

Strangely both are started by black people, then like most parts of African-American culture, mutated and raped by overuse of white people.

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I'm no racist I hate all morons equally.

So self-loathing is the source of your racism?

Ooh zing didn't see that one coming, but no I am not self loathing and,
I'm no racist I hate all morons equally.

That is NOT hip-hop. If you haven't heard hip-hop then shame on you. You haven't heard everything..

I didn't say anything about hip-hop. I was talking about rap. Where in my earlier post did I say hip-hop?

hip-hop= rap + R&B

hip-hop= rap + R&B

I really don't care. It's all a waste of my time and thus a waste of my life.

Just out of curiosity LR, what makes you an authority on rap music. No offense intented. I personally detest rap and this whole "gangsta" bullshit thats become so popular all of a sudden. Another thing that bothers me are all these wiggers popping up everywhere, kids from well off home's who are stealing, fighting and dealing drugs just to conform to what some idiot like fifty cent says is cool.

fifty cent

Dont even mention that person, he's just a loser with no life

Just out of curiosity LR, what makes you an authority on rap music. No offense intented. I personally detest rap and this whole "gangsta" bullshit thats become so popular all of a sudden. Another thing that bothers me are all these wiggers popping up everywhere, kids from well off home's who are stealing, fighting and dealing drugs just to conform to what some idiot like fifty cent says is cool.See that's exacly what I mean children have been mutated by society rap is nowhere near "gangsta" mentality. Rap is expression of life, you rap to your emotions, it's poetry with a repetative beat, which is why I said look up hip-hops history, listen to some of the greats, you rap your struggles, your problems, your emotions it's like I said a verbal interpretation of blues (a more verbal). Nothing really makes me authority of rap but general media will make you think it's a bunch of gangsta's that sold crack until they made music. Something you may want to know is that those persona's are made-up, like "50 cent" lives in Conneticut.


Dont even mention that person, he's just a loser with no life x2 His source of his fame is being shot 9 times, he doesn't even rap he sings, it's just so terrible it's confused for rap.

See that's exacly what I mean children have been mutated by society rap is nowhere near "gangsta" mentality. Rap is expression of life, you rap to your emotions, it's poetry with a repetative beat, which is why I said look up hip-hops history, listen to some of the greats, you rap your struggles, your problems, your emotions it's like I said a verbal interpretation of blues (a more verbal). Nothing really makes me authority of rap but general media will make you think it's a bunch of gangsta's that sold crack until they made music. Something you may want to know is that those persona's are made-up, like "50 cent" lives in Conneticut.

x2 His source of his fame is being shot 9 times, he doesn't even rap he sings, it's just so terrible it's confused for rap.

All music is art and art is always subject to personal interpertation. Your interperation of rap is "Peotry with a repetitive beat" and mine is repetitive bullshit with a repetitive beat. Modern rap is all "I shot so and so (x) many times, I slept with (x) many sluts and I have (x) many dollars in my bank account". Listen to a few new rap songs and tell me what relevant struggle or problem they symbolize, there are few if any. Its all just a string of profanities used to make a quick buck.

Oh yes I whole-heartedly agree new rappers have just made a 3 min long bragging session, which is sometimes a 3min long lie. Which is why I said listen to the greats, those that rap about their everyday struggles, problems, and emotions. A "real" rapper not just a paper painted "soldier, gangsta, thug" I mean the only modern day rapper I actually like is Kanye West, he will share his life no matter how contriversaily he may word it. The reason you hear all this violent songs is because in the 90's, or as I like to call it, the "birth of violent rap" they sold like hot cakes, so it's supply and demand, if you see sex sells, ofcourse you will infringe your product with sex. What people fail to notice is
There is a difference between a gangsta and a rapper, a gangsta is someone who commits crimes for a living, a rapper is someone who talks a lot and gets paid to do it.

i think its the way the music is made, like 50 cent, they all act like they are strong and all but infact 50 cent is a sadact..lol

this thread is mostly just :(

Rap music is hated because people don't get it
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Rap music is hated because people don't like things that are different and rarely scratch the surface of the genre.

this may have been said already... but there were like 200 + posts so I wasn't gonna read through all of it... cuz I'm lazy. :P

but personally, it's not that I don't like all rap,
I just don't like rap that has bad messages of like, "whoa drugs are cool, look! I got high..." and "do it with every person you can do it with" etc. and stuff... :\

this may have been said already... but there were like 200 + posts so I wasn't gonna read through all of it... cuz I'm lazy. :P

but personally, it's not that I don't like all rap,
I just don't like rap that has bad messages of like, "whoa drugs are cool, look! I got high..." and "do it with every person you can do it with" etc. and stuff... :\

hip-hop= rap + R&B

Not true at all, in fact I don't know what kinda math that is..




I didn't say anything about hip-hop. I was talking about rap. Where in my earlier post did I say hip-hop?

You know what i'm trying to say. The media and conglomerations labeled Hip-Hop rap once they got wind of it and keyed on the guy "rapping" instead of realising it was music firstly. I don't care for either label realy and like all kinds of music, as long as it's good. People out there don't know, especialy in the states that Hip-Hop is actualy the most innovative form of musicianship in the past 20 years. An African drumb mixed with all other kinds of music available. Sampling started when cats couldn't afford to learn different instruments. Though limited we crafted a sound that was capable of combining ALL music!

Some rap I find rather great, and high in listening value - like a good deal of the songs Eminem puts out. But a vast majority just turns my stomach with it's 'let's make women out to be ignorant sex slaves!! :D' content. X.x; Perhaps that's one of the reasons? o.o;

Hip-Hop is actualy the most innovative form of musicianship in the past 20 years.

rofl

its hated cuz thats all the D.J at our dance will play no matter how many rock songs are requested.

1) Aside from the contriversial pic that kanye west took He is still a damn good rapper. @ AN ava
2)Rap has never made women out to be ignorant sex slaves, if you mean all the objectification of women I may be inclined to agree. Second you can't lump a genre of music to what some masoginistic cunts smash rhymes together.
3)I fail to see what was so funny Prak I think it's true not just rap but R&B as well.
4) Honestly rock confuses the hell out of me, it's just long ass guitar and dru solos then singing about stuff that doesn't relate to the subject at hand or the title of the song. Now heavy metal, objectifies women farther than any rap I've heard.

I was gonna ignore this thread for good, but then LR decided to grace us with his own brand of ignorance again.


Honestly rock confuses the hell out of me, it's just long ass guitar and dru solos then singing about stuff that doesn't relate to the subject at hand or the title of the song. Now heavy metal, objectifies women farther than any rap I've heard.

Rock is usually done to tell a story and it's not supposed to sound excatly clear. A little esoteric element is used to spice things up. For example, Bump of Chicken - K talks about a black cat who was rescued and nurtured to health and braved the perils to deliver a final message from his benefactor to his relatives before dying. And he will be remembered as the black knight. If you've heard of parables and using similes, then you'll understand that it almost always follows the subject at hand.

I've also listened to THOUSANDS of heavy metal songs and I have yet to hear one song that objectifies woman in any way. Lesee...


Judas Priest - Breakin' the Law, yeah living a boring life abiding by the law all the time is totally objectifying women. Yeah, symbolism.
Judas Priest - Locked In, because talking about how a man is so shackled in amourous entrapment is so implying that he wants her ass!
Helloween - I'm Alive, yeah talking about how you're alive totally means how you're feeling alive by banging hoes, forget about the survival theme and all that, that's just filler!111
Helloween - I Want Out, because talking about how you disagree about the sophist way of teaching nowadays means that you want to do things your way and tap bitches all day long.
Iron Maiden - Monts�gur, it talks about the evils of a religous crusade and the purification of a town by bloodshed and pillaging. Yeah it totally means to forget about marriage and have lots of menstrual sex, making sure to pillage that ho's ass afterwards. :smrt:
Iron Maiden - No More Lies, because facing to your destiny and not wanting to fabricate lies to escape that destiny is totally talking about a high school rite of passage to tap that sexiest chick's ass before the end of semester without trying to lie out of it.

Yeah I so TOTALLY get what you mean!

rofl



Though limited we crafted a sound that was capable of combining ALL music!

4) Honestly rock confuses the hell out of me, it's just long ass guitar and dru solos then singing about stuff that doesn't relate to the subject at hand or the title of the song. Now heavy metal, objectifies women farther than any rap I've heard.

If thats how you feel about it, I challenge you to post the names of five heavy metal songs that you feel objectify women. I could easily do the same with rap and have a list that encompasses half the industry in about 20 minutes.

rofl

I don't know how you can say that hip-hop isn't innovative. It is a completly new genre that made music not like any other music in a pretty much radicaly different way regardless if you like it or not.

that doesn't mean it's any good.

It's about as good as any other genre.

I personally dislike rap. I don't hate it. I do hate the songs that the stereotypes of rap are based off of, like the whole "shooting/hoes/drugs", etc. But there are some songs that do resemble some kind of music.

I do think it is unfortunate that most people judge it based on the songs that are stereotyped, because there are some good rap songs out there.

Now, freestyle rap is pretty cool. Too bad songs aren't made from freestyling.

that doesn't mean it's any good.

I didn't say it did.

Now, freestyle rap is pretty cool. Too bad songs aren't made from freestyling.

Some are. I have compilation cd's of freestyle and intermixing songs etc.
Dj's and all that.

ALL[/SIZE] music!

But I am not going to waste my time listening to it. It's a bad influence, like I said earlier. People often wonder why youths curse alot. It's from Rap and hip-hop. Anyways, I think people should listen to real music. I know music can relieve stress and make you feel better, but if it's controversial to people try to listen what they are saying. There is other music out there that's much better.

Rap. Is it really hated? It has changed and branched to another brand. It is more difficult to defend; and instead of being generally portrayed as a form of self expression, it is now media spread as some kind of EGO symbol. But REAL rap is still loved (if not more loved than ever before) by all.

But I am not going to waste my time listening to it. It's a bad influence, like I said earlier. People often wonder why youths curse alot. It's from Rap and hip-hop. Anyways, I think people should listen to real music. I know music can relieve stress and make you feel better, but if it's controversial to people try to listen what they are saying. There is other music out there that's much better.

You shouldn't be stupid enough to be influenced by it in the first place

But I am not going to waste my time listening to it. It's a bad influence, like I said earlier. People often wonder why youths curse alot. It's from Rap and hip-hop. Anyways, I think people should listen to real music. I know music can relieve stress and make you feel better, but if it's controversial to people try to listen what they are saying. There is other music out there that's much better.Really, because heavy metal never curses, you know Ozzie Ozbourne never curses, and cursing was invented by rap :rolleyes:. Only you can determine what a waste of your time is, but you can't discern what you do not even give the time of day to, it's like not paying attention in history and saying the holocaust was a scam. And your perception of music doesn't make it undeniable fact, music is about self exppression if the music does not express you than you would find it to be non-sense.


Rap. Is it really hated? It has changed and branched to another brand. It is more difficult to defend; and instead of being generally portrayed as a form of self expression, it is now media spread as some kind of EGO symbol. But REAL rap is still loved (if not more loved than ever before) by all.Thank you another one that knows what they are talking about, I mean honestly, all of your perceptions comes from the media and a few random songs you may have heard, know what you are talking before saying it encourages whatever honestly.


You shouldn't be stupid enough to be influenced by it in the first place

X2 he has a point.

You shouldn't be stupid enough to be influenced by it in the first place

I am not influenced by it.

Most, if not all genres of music were heavily inveighed by society throughout history at some point. For example, Jazz, Rock. etc. It's simply a matter of time before Rap, itself, is wholly accepted and recognized.

I am not influenced by it.

Then don't fucking complain