TRKDWHP
03-02-2019, 02:31 PM
Sorry for asking, but what happened exactly? Why is it closed?

heidl
03-04-2019, 07:49 PM
Leon closed it, I assume, because of DAKs and Huntertechs replies. I don't know if it gets reopened. I hope so, but I wouldn't count on it.

HunterTech
03-05-2019, 04:02 AM
I was told it would be re-opened eventually, so I think it'd be best we remain patient in the time passing. No opening new threads or anything like I what I said before it shut. I guess the best we can get for posting any new covers is for new scores that pop up.

heidl
03-05-2019, 09:35 AM
Sure. In the meantime I moved over to FSM
https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=132899

TRKDWHP
03-05-2019, 03:40 PM
Thanks for taking the time to tell me, I really liked that place!

heidl
03-15-2019, 09:06 AM
Leon Scott Kennedy: Are you going to unlock the thread again?

gururu
03-16-2019, 10:24 PM
Good question. In the meantime …

(https://imgur.com/873GywG)

CLONEMASTER 6.53
03-17-2019, 11:16 AM
Wouldn't ever have expected that thread to be shut down.

CreativeBlock
03-17-2019, 11:47 AM
Why close a thread completely which hundrets of people enjoying and dozens of really creative people participated in because of seemingly 2 people? (dunno what exactly went on, just from what the last few posts kinda hint at)
Seems a bit radical to me.

Leon Scott Kennedy
03-17-2019, 06:28 PM
Thread won't be reopened, yet. Create some kind of user group somewhere else, the Internet has plenty of websites that allow you to do so.

heidl
03-17-2019, 06:58 PM
So you're killing off one if not the most active thread on the board, for what!?

Over the years the CC thread has built a community who inspired each other, shared works and engaged in discussions. And now you're just telling everybody to go find someplace else? This is a pretty big middle finger to the few people who have contributed anything other than pirated music to the shrine.

PonyoBellanote
03-17-2019, 07:14 PM
Le�n, I know and understand your disdain to the site, and don't defy your mod actions, but at this point, you're just turning this personal. We all know how cancerous the whole Film Section is, yes, but that very thread was the only one, among the orchestral, where normal civilized talks are retained. It'd be extremely unfair to keep the forum away from one of the little good threads it has. I understand how you feel about the community, but it's not a fair thing to do in general. Please consider

HunterTech
03-17-2019, 07:25 PM
I'd find it best just to keep quiet for now and post elsewhere like he said. I poked a hole that partly led to the thread closing, and I don't want to do anything more than that. I'm just happy the possibility of re-opening is still there, so I don't want to get worked up over it.

---------- Post added at 11:25 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:24 AM ----------

And yes, it will open again at some point, so don't act like it's now gone for good.

Cameron007
03-17-2019, 07:32 PM
I'd find it best just to keep quiet for now and post elsewhere like he said. I poked a hole that partly led to the thread closing, and I don't want to do anything more than that. I'm just happy the possibility of re-opening is still there, so I don't want to get worked up over it.

---------- Post added at 11:25 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:24 AM ----------

And yes, it will open again at some point, so don't act like it's now gone for good.

Don't blame yourself for that. You said one little irrelevant thing, and he took it up the ass.

Leon, as Ponyo said, this section isn't the best, but not all of us are the "brats" here. There are some of us who genuinely care about music and covers.

heidl
03-17-2019, 08:12 PM
And yes, it will open again at some point, so don't act like it's now gone for good.

It doesn't seem so, when I'm being told to go find someplace else. And I know I'm not the only one who's waiting to post custom covers here again.

I'm just afraid if it doesn't re-open anytime soon, it could just as well stay closed forever, because there won't be anybody left to care.

James P.Sullivan
03-17-2019, 08:48 PM
So you're killing off one if not the most active thread on the board, for what!?

Over the years the CC thread has built a community who inspired each other, shared works and engaged in discussions. And now you're just telling everybody to go find someplace else? This is a pretty big middle finger to the few people who have contributed anything other than pirated music to the shrine.

This right here^.

As the long-time community-voted President of the Custom Covers Thread, I have respectfully and patiently stayed quiet all this time, but I totally agree with Heidl, and, seeing as this has been brought up again I will now voice my opinion. Brace yourselves.

Leon, I barely know who you are. But I know what happened, which was nothing whatsoever on a scale to warrant such drastic and frankly childish action as shutting down one of (if not the) most enjoyed and used thread on this entire section of the Shrine, a thread that had absolutely nothing to do with uploading/downloading music or anything personal about any of the community that frequented it. It was a creative hub where people came to share their talent and appreciate the talents of others. For many years, we've enjoyed each others' company and encouraged each other with advice on the various different styles each regular contributor has developed.

You have abused your power here and completely overreacted, needlessly punishing the vast majority of a community for no reason.

If you want to now ban me for sharing my opinion, go ahead. I'm actually expecting you to, based on your previous knee-jerk reaction simply because you had the power. But honestly, I'm disappointed in you. You should be better than this and not stoop to such levels. Grow up, re-open the thread, and get some balls.

The President.

heidl
03-17-2019, 09:09 PM
Where the f*cks the like button when I need it the most?


Sully, I hope you won't get banned! But if it should happen, you can rest assured that you won't go down alone, as I will retire from this forum then.

Leon Scott Kennedy
03-17-2019, 09:10 PM
Here's the thing you don't get, folks: a member of the staff actually can abuse of his/her power, even though… Technically speaking, an abuse doesn't really occur because we all gave our "okay(s)" for such thing, when creating our accounts. Sign out of your accounts and re-read the terms of use we all agreed to abide to when signing up. We reserve the right to edit, close, remove any content item for any reason.
Abuse of my power, tsk. Go and cry to the administrators, if you're not okay with what I do, I never stopped you from doing that. *Shrugs* Also, "most enjoyed thread" is a load of crap, but then again, I don't expect anything different.

EDIT:
Also, about the knee-jerk reaction, hell… I'm in great company here, look at yourselves, too. Getting worked over the closure of a thread on a board when, given its purpose, other members in similar boards would have simply shrugged it off and made an alternative for themselves elsewhere.

HunterTech
03-17-2019, 09:22 PM
Not exactly most enjoyed, but certainly one of two with the most longevity in the film section.

I figured you were gonna mention the mods having the power they do, so I wasn't gonna bring it up. Though with gururu posting a cover here, could this work as a temporary replacement?

heidl
03-17-2019, 09:38 PM
Here's the thing you don't get, folks: a member of the staff actually can abuse of his/her power, even though… Technically speaking, an abuse doesn't really occur because we all gave our "okay(s)" for such thing, when creating our accounts. Sign out of your accounts and re-read the terms of use we all agreed to abide to when signing up. We reserve the right to edit, close, remove any content item for any reason.
Abuse of my power, tsk. Go and cry to the administrators, if you're not okay with what I do, I never stopped you from doing that. *Shrugs* Also, "most enjoyed thread" is a load of crap, but then again, I don't expect anything different.

EDIT:
Also, about the knee-jerk reaction, hell… I'm in great company here, look at yourselves, too. Getting worked over the closure of a thread on a board when, given its purpose, other members in similar boards would have simply shrugged it off and made an alternative for themselves elsewhere.

So what was the reason for closing it then? Please elaborate, because from my point of view you did it on a whim.

CreativeBlock
03-17-2019, 10:39 PM
Getting worked over the closure of a thread on a board when

More saddened than upset/angry, but you do you, if this is how you want to portray yourself as.

James P.Sullivan
03-17-2019, 11:17 PM
Here's the thing you don't get, folks: a member of the staff actually can abuse of his/her power, even though… Technically speaking, an abuse doesn't really occur because we all gave our "okay(s)" for such thing, when creating our accounts. Sign out of your accounts and re-read the terms of use we all agreed to abide to when signing up. We reserve the right to edit, close, remove any content item for any reason.

Abuse of my power, tsk. Go and cry to the administrators, if you're not okay with what I do, I never stopped you from doing that. *Shrugs*


Just because you can doesn't mean you should. I'm disappointed you're so proud of abusing your power. And just because we had to tick a box to be here doesn't mean we've reserved our right to stand up for bullying behaviour, you know that.


Also, "most enjoyed thread" is a load of crap, but then again, I don't expect anything different.

See, this is the behaviour I'm talking about. You're so out of touch with the reality of the good people that made the community here.


EDIT:
Also, about the knee-jerk reaction, hell… I'm in great company here, look at yourselves, too. Getting worked over the closure of a thread on a board when, given its purpose, other members in similar boards would have simply shrugged it off and made an alternative for themselves elsewhere.

I was going to make an alternative, but instead I waited patiently for you to come to your senses and stop being childish. Also, if I had made a new one that wouldn't have stopped you from shutting that one down too. I'm not overreacting. So no, you're not in great company at all.

James (The Disney Guy)
03-17-2019, 11:30 PM
Okay.... i seriously will be hated for this but who cares....

Seriously who gives a fuck? Why not just make a new place somewhere else?

You all have means of contacting each other just make somewhere and forward it...

All this arguing is just as childish as what you blame leon of being... if not worse.

For years everyone complained that no mods ever did anything... spark started to clean house.... you moaned.... clamied he abused power...

Now leon... its like complaining about a teacher, getting a sub and complaining they are worse.


At this point it just makes me laugh.

James P.Sullivan
03-17-2019, 11:39 PM
Okay.... i seriously will be hated for this but who cares....

Seriously who gives a fuck? Why not just make a new place somewhere else?

You all have means of contacting each other just make somewhere and forward it...

Because there would be no point. It would no doubt be seen as some "subversive" action and be shut down just like the first.

James (The Disney Guy)
03-17-2019, 11:41 PM
No one said here on shrine....
There are other sites ect...

You have to accept keeping on arguing and complaing will never get it re-open.

Like when heidl made his new one it got closed.

James P.Sullivan
03-17-2019, 11:43 PM
All this arguing is just as childish as what you blame leon of being... if not worse.
For years everyone complained that no mods ever did anything... spark started to clean house.... you moaned.... clamied he abused power...
Now leon... its like complaining about a teacher, getting a sub and complaining they are worse.
At this point it just makes me laugh.

I have never complained about anyone here before. This is the first time I have ever said anything that could be considered "out of line". I am simply standing up for a group of creative individuals against irrational behaviour. If Leon had been less childish and handled his upset with more maturity this wouldn't be an issue. Taking issue with a bully on behalf of innocent bystanders who are affected by his actions is not the same as childish complaining.

James (The Disney Guy)
03-17-2019, 11:45 PM
It is here... coz as pointed out they can close anything they want...

So it is just as feutile arguing it.

heidl
03-18-2019, 12:01 AM
Oh come on. There was a perfectly fine thread here and it was closed for no fucking reason, so don't tell me who's childish.

Leon was always complaining about the brat ridden film section and then he goes and shuts down the one remaining civilized place. That's ridiculous!

James (The Disney Guy)
03-18-2019, 12:24 AM
Was. No offence nothing you can do about.

Its a fact keep arguing its closure will not do anything.

heidl
03-18-2019, 12:25 AM
Yeah. But your indifference to the injustice on display here isn't helping either.

James (The Disney Guy)
03-18-2019, 12:26 AM
.

CLONEMASTER 6.53
03-18-2019, 12:43 AM
I mean, to be fair, Leon already left open the mere potentiality it might be opened again lol (first sentence in post #10). As right or wrong anybody is it remains the case hasn't really been helped since that post of his.

heidl
03-18-2019, 08:20 AM
For those who don't want to wait an indefinable period of time, here are a few alternatives:

https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?&threadID=132899
http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/14965-the-custom-covers-thread/
https://www.reddit.com/r/freshalbumart

I hope to see some of you there. Farewell!

SonicAdventure
03-18-2019, 03:00 PM
Here's the thing you don't get, folks: a member of the staff actually can abuse of his/her power, even though… Technically speaking, an abuse doesn't really occur because we all gave our "okay(s)" for such thing, when creating our accounts. Sign out of your accounts and re-read the terms of use we all agreed to abide to when signing up. We reserve the right to edit, close, remove any content item for any reason.
Abuse of my power, tsk. Go and cry to the administrators, if you're not okay with what I do, I never stopped you from doing that. *Shrugs* Also, "most enjoyed thread" is a load of crap, but then again, I don't expect anything different.

This is what happens when a mod is inexperienced, obedient to authority and afraid. I won't cry, I won't complain, I'll just leave for greener pastures (literally). I could have done so without this drama but me doing it like this might have a slight impact. Truth is, I've dabbled with the thought of leaving for quite some time. Over the years, the situation with this forum got progressively worse, more and more hindrances took the fun out of sharing, talking, discussing. So I will use the closure of the cover thread as a reason to move on. It was fun while it lasted, I learned a lot and overall I'm thankful to have been here.

Bye.

gururu
03-18-2019, 03:54 PM
Here's the thing you don't get, folks: a member of the staff actually can abuse of his/her power, even though… Technically speaking, an abuse doesn't really occur because we all gave our "okay(s)" for such thing, when creating our accounts. Sign out of your accounts and re-read the terms of use we all agreed to abide to when signing up. We reserve the right to edit, close, remove any content item for any reason.
Abuse of my power, tsk. Go and cry to the administrators, if you're not okay with what I do, I never stopped you from doing that. *Shrugs* Also, "most enjoyed thread" is a load of crap, but then again, I don't expect anything different.

EDIT:
Also, about the knee-jerk reaction, hell… I'm in great company here, look at yourselves, too. Getting worked over the closure of a thread on a board when, given its purpose, other members in similar boards would have simply shrugged it off and made an alternative for themselves elsewhere.

All I know is that one day the thread was open and then locked the next. And for the life of me I couldn't come up with an obvious reason why. The custom cover thread. Locked? What could possibly warrant such a move? It's populated by a small cast of characters most of whom don't engage in much off-topic banter—they just upload images … which can only lead me to conclude that this is about something personal.

Because what more or less sounds like 'I can do whatever the fuck I want as a mod you losers' ain't exactly kosher. I mean, the level of open hostility … eek.

We've never locked horns about anything ever before LCK, but based on the tone of your response above, it sounds like you' re shitting on everyone just for existing. Not the most becoming look on a mod.

Perhaps it's time you found yourself a more satisfying gig.

Dave999
03-18-2019, 04:50 PM
It was fun while it lasted, I learned a lot and overall I'm thankful to have been here.

Bye.

Well, that's just groovy. Goddammit.

tintacle
03-20-2019, 12:33 AM
Seems like the majority of my activity has passed on this forum, sadly, because I really enjoyed the aforementioned thread.

And although I'm still sticking around, 95 percent of my contribution will be somewhere else.


If anybody is interested, I will be residing the following places:

http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/profile/27534-tintacle/
https://www.deviantart.com/tintacle
https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/profile.cfm?ID=tintacle

FilmScore1978
03-23-2019, 04:11 AM
I really enjoy the art thread, ashamed how it ended.

Question for the many regular contributors in that thread, would anyone be interested in a community on Reddit just for soundtrack art? I've never created a subreddit before and would probably need some help. Just trying to see if there is any interest in that route or if we'd rather just move to places like JWFan and FSM?


Also, anyone have any clue what "greener pastures" Sonic is referring too?

ThinRedLine
03-23-2019, 10:18 PM
I haven't been around long, but just wanted to say that i loved the work the Custom Cover Thread contributors shared..

I use a lot of their art and think we are all lucky to be able to have access to it, it is a credit to the forum and one of it's biggest assets in my opinion

Hopefully it Re-opens soon and the usual contributors return :) if not, you're work will be missed

Thanks!

DGReed5
04-12-2019, 03:36 AM
Can a sensible Mod re-open the CC thread? This is ridiculous..........
No petty arguement between a few members is worth the loss in appeal that the closure of thread has caused to this forum.

TRKDWHP
04-12-2019, 10:35 PM
Whilst I agree with you DG, I also agree with what has previously been said within this thread - the more we are to complain, the less likely it will be unlocked. All we can do now is wait, and hope that if, and when, the custom covers thread gets reopened it'll be just as creatively engaging, and collaborative, as it was before the incident that resulted in its closure.

Giveall96
05-13-2019, 03:06 PM
...I will use the closure of the cover thread as a reason to move on...

Anybody got an idea where did Sonic move on? ;)

SCCHSHellmouth
05-23-2019, 04:53 AM
Seconded.

Ogden
05-23-2019, 07:01 AM
I loved that thread too! Would love to see it revived! :)

Melalo
05-23-2019, 08:39 PM
Going to agree that I hope it's reopened too. The cover thread is a welcome addition to the site that fosters a sense of creative community. It's a shame that it was hit by troublesome people, but I don't think everybody should be punished because of their actions.

Cameron007
05-24-2019, 12:16 AM
Going to agree that I hope it's reopened too. The cover thread is a welcome addition to the site that fosters a sense of creative community. It's a shame that it was hit by troublesome people, but I don't think everybody should be punished because of their actions.

There was nothing troublesome going on at all. Somebody made one comment about a user being banned. That's literally it.

Despair
05-24-2019, 01:12 AM
You guys are just going to have to chill, the Lossless VGM thread has gotten closed and re-opened a couple of times for stuff. It'll happen if you just give it a few days.



Perhaps it's time you found yourself a more satisfying gig.
But isn't Leon the only mod left?

Melalo
05-24-2019, 02:24 AM
You guys are just going to have to chill, the Lossless VGM thread has gotten closed and re-opened a couple of times for stuff. It'll happen if you just give it a few days.

Whilst I can respect the reasoning behind the response, the thread's been closed for 3 months. Cameron007's reply is more to the point: it's punishing everybody for the actions of a single comment (cheers for the correction). Voicing our want of it to be reopened is really the only option outside of sitting on our thumbs.

Despair
05-24-2019, 09:24 AM
Whilst I can respect the reasoning behind the response, the thread's been closed for 3 months. Cameron007's reply is more to the point: it's punishing everybody for the actions of a single comment (cheers for the correction). Voicing our want of it to be reopened is really the only option outside of sitting on our thumbs.
Oh. Well damn. Uh....yeah probably should just...set up shop somewhere else <_<;

Melalo
05-24-2019, 10:03 AM
Oh. Well damn. Uh....yeah probably should just...set up shop somewhere else <_<;

Unfortunately that seems to be the only way to go forward. Still worth the time to comment just to show support for it being reopened though, even if it is a bit of a forlorn hope, haha

ThinRedLine
05-25-2019, 12:11 AM
still no update on this?

surely whatever point that needed to be made, has been made by now...

Lord_Radim
05-25-2019, 01:24 PM
Hello people. For a long time I did not show up here, for that year it was a lot and mail has arrived coming to me notifications for new comments and the stories that I just for this forum for but completely today I go back to show some news
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First of all, I would like to introduce a new collection of Soundtrack - Matrix. I invented a complete stylish soundtrack trilogy for Matrix that is actually designed for the whole box. More or less I will edit Soundtracks. So far, I have a soundtrack for the first Matrix movie. I have a front part and a back part of the cover, then an inside cover when opening. Print discs and back cover with music and picture list.
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Sorry for the wrong translation from google. It may happen that it translates some nonsense and you may need to misunderstand what I wrote so I apologize in advance if you do not understand something.

THE MATRIX COMPLETE TRILOGY SOUNDTRACK
(https://postimg.cc/Cdm6m5dT)
I wanted to differentiate the trilogy from one another so that it didn't have the same shade of green.

<a href='https://postimg.cc/hhypVY3K' target='_blank'><img src='' border='0' alt='The-Matrix-Trilogy-Soundtrack-Complete-Covers'/></a>
These are the complete covers and prints on the CD on The Matrix's first soundtrack. They're currently working on Reloaded and Revolutions will be there.

<a href='https://postimages.org/' target='_blank'><img src='' border='0' alt='James-Bond-007'/></a>

Second, I'm trying to figure out how to edit the cover on James Bond. Unfortunately I lost the fund I used so it will take some time to find it.

GlassButterflies
05-28-2019, 02:00 PM
Hello people. For a long time I did not show up here, for that year it was a lot and mail has arrived coming to me notifications for new comments and the stories that I just for this forum for but completely today I go back to show some news


Lord Radim, these covers are quite impressive! I'm a big fan of the Matrix trilogy scores so these covers really get me excited. Makes me wonder if this post has officially christened an impromptu Custom Covers thread.

Zeratul13
05-31-2019, 05:42 PM
thinking this as new cover :D

theodred27
06-01-2019, 09:38 AM
A small James Horner tribute i have been doing:


(https://flic.kr/p/2g5tz6V) (https://flic.kr/p/2g2hXDQ) (https://flic.kr/p/2g22Dzj) (https://flic.kr/p/2eN1NFL) (https://flic.kr/p/2eKtTZA) (https://flic.kr/p/QbYaPa)

Prince Jay
06-01-2019, 03:36 PM

Ogden
06-02-2019, 04:58 AM
Nice one Jay! :)

Lord_Radim
06-03-2019, 09:58 AM
So I have completely finished Reloaded. This morning I finished the back of the cover.

(https://postimg.cc/WqT6q2xG)

Dave999
06-07-2019, 12:44 PM
There's a lot of green though :laugh: Can you maybe tone it down a bit?

---------- Post added at 01:44 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:40 PM ----------


Here's the thing you don't get, folks: a member of the staff actually can abuse of his/her power, even though… Technically speaking, an abuse doesn't really occur because we all gave our "okay(s)" for such thing, when creating our accounts. Sign out of your accounts and re-read the terms of use we all agreed to abide to when signing up. We reserve the right to edit, close, remove any content item for any reason.
Abuse of my power, tsk. Go and cry to the administrators, if you're not okay with what I do, I never stopped you from doing that. *Shrugs* Also, "most enjoyed thread" is a load of crap, but then again, I don't expect anything different.

EDIT:
Also, about the knee-jerk reaction, hell… I'm in great company here, look at yourselves, too. Getting worked over the closure of a thread on a board when, given its purpose, other members in similar boards would have simply shrugged it off and made an alternative for themselves elsewhere.

Can I ask what your official statement is on why you closed it then?

Lord_Radim
06-09-2019, 03:31 PM
So I have done it completely, today I have finished Revolutions :-)

(https://postimg.cc/Lqjr2q9D)

(https://postimg.cc/WqT6q2xG)

(https://postimg.cc/2bzXY2Xj)

Zeratul13
06-14-2019, 04:38 PM
thank many!

hahah123
06-16-2019, 02:16 PM
Gangster Squad:
<a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/162181720@N04/48072648933/in/dateposted-public/" title="Gangster Squad by Steve Jablonsky">

X-Men: Dark Phoenix:
<a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/162181720@N04/48049012737/in/dateposted-public/" title="X-Men: Dark Phoenix by Hans Zimmer">

Lord_Radim
06-17-2019, 09:35 AM
hahah123, Very good :)

hahah123
06-20-2019, 01:25 PM
Thanks! Here are a few new covers:
<a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/162181720@N04/48087594381/in/dateposted-public/" title="X-Men: Dark Phoenix by Hans Zimmer">
<a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/162181720@N04/48088261721/in/dateposted-public/" title="X-Men: Dark Phoenix by Hans Zimmer">
<a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/162181720@N04/48085579513/in/dateposted-public/" title="X-Men: Dark Phoenix by Hans Zimmer">
<a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/162181720@N04/48085593698/in/dateposted-public/" title="Doctor Strange by Michael Giacchino">

Ogden
06-23-2019, 01:17 AM
Great covers, everyone! I have a request:

Can someone make covers for all 3 John Wick scores? The official art for all of them is subpar.

Lord_Radim
06-29-2019, 02:27 PM
So, today I took some time and modified a few covers for Soundtrack on James Bond.

To show how the original crimes looked, I published them here a year ago.
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(https://postimg.cc/BL4q7Gxq) (https://postimg.cc/WFWQmR8Y) (https://postimg.cc/jDcvnHZZ)

These are already modified covers with new fonts and otherwise described.
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(https://postimg.cc/67rVQ2DK) (https://postimg.cc/xc8PPdbG) (https://postimg.cc/gn7HtPvC) (https://postimg.cc/Mnjbhr5v)