Was it just me or is Trance utter crap?
What exactly can Steiner do in Trance? And what the hell is the use of "cook" when fighting Kuja? And double black as a trance move! You can use "double" in lots of FF games anyway! Pretty much all the trances were boring and not that useful, a disappointment.
I think that #10's overdrive is still the best.

the point about not over charging the trances is that it was around for a long time. they were crap but it's cos you could use them for a long time. the whole game was less charged than the rest. in ffx you could hit for 999999 after like 3 hours gameplay but in ffix it took the whole game to get to 9999 cos the monsters were weaker

Was it just me or is Trance utter crap?
What exactly can Steiner do in Trance? And what the hell is the use of "cook" when fighting Kuja? And double black as a trance move! You can use "double" in lots of FF games anyway! Pretty much all the trances were boring and not that useful, a disappointment.
I think that #10's overdrive is still the best.

The trances were great. The pyhsical change the character takes was a very new and fresh idea.

ps. ffx was shit, a blight on the franchise.

I'd prefer Renzokuken Trigger to Dyne any day. But still its better than nothing.

Trance was a piece of shit. You get that shit ready after 20 hours and then some dumbass gimme cat or some shit comes and slaps you causing you to go trance and use it up. I got into trance ONCE during a boss fight. Cook was retarded as hell but I actually liked Steiner's trance. He got MAD strong. Garnet's was dumb, Eiko's was dumb, Quina's was dumb, Vivi was gay until you got Doomsday and ODed on that. Freya's was the shittiest one EVER. Zidane was OKAY. Amarant was OKAY. Steiner PWNED. The rest sucked ballz.

Annoying due to the fact that it went after a battle AND you couldnt use it when you wanted to. Also, the actual attacks didnt offer much interactivity like FFVIII (eg. as mentioned above Renzokukken Trigger).

I absolutely despised Renzozuken eventually, it made the game far too easy. Lionheart could beat any boss in one go a lot of the time, TOO good.

i prefer progressive trance really.

trance was fucking shite...im sorry but it was...i found it uterly useless...but then again i thought it was the worst ff in the series..but thats me!

also rensokuken was rather beardardy but still owned!

trance was fucking shite...im sorry but it was...i found it uterly useless...but then again i thought it was the worst ff in the series..but thats me!

also rensokuken was rather beardardy but still owned!


C`mon, FF9 was amazing. and trance was great.
I really like trance, it was different but effective.

So your saying all trances were boring, what about zidane's. His were great, 1 of those was grand lethal. And Vivi's double black magic, Lulu has the same overdrive on FFX. But i agree with the bit about using the trance when you have it, that was totally annoying.

I absolutely despised Renzozuken eventually, it made the game far too easy. Lionheart could beat any boss in one go a lot of the time, TOO good.
But Lion Heart was completly random and the chances of it coming compared to the other ones was slim.

At first I liked trance, but later on when i continued playing the game, I didnt like trance that much. i think it's my least favorite limit system thingy.

I mean, you only have to look at Eiko's trance to see how bad it is.
Double white!? Its of absolutely no use to me as everyone has auto-reflect on anyway!
Zidane's trance was good but I am missing one of them! :'(

Steiners and Vivis was good. There physical transformation was pretty neat.

But Lion Heart was completly random and the chances of it coming compared to the other ones was slim.

The chances of getting Lion Heart are pretty high if you have Aura on Squall and he uses Renzokuken EVERY DAMN TURN!!!

I liked how they actually tied Trance into the plot and even gave explanations on its origin, unlike in FFVII, FFVIII, and FFX.

IX's Trance system was not the best, but for the party I used it was pretty good. Steiners was awsome, Vivi's was awsome, Zidanes PWNED beyond reason and Daggers was ok at best. It was very hard keeping track of your Trance meter because alot of the time it went off when you didn't need. But overall I thought it was an ok system depending on who you used.

Trance was annoying, spent an hour trying to put every guy near trance and then a stupid grand dragon triggers all the stupid Trance, i only needed it once and was against the Guardian of the Earth Shrine, Quina was with a VERY low level, so Zidane in trance was my only salvation, otherwise Trance is utter crap

trance was good steiner went fucken strong but Renzokuken and omnislash owned

I liked how it looked, but they always came at the wrong time for me, it would have been so much better if you could have controlled them like Limit breaks

i've played both, i'll admit the trances, could be better, but i like the dyne you get from Zidane, garnd lethale is a 9999 damage, move, who can beat that. The rest, are knda lame, but zidanes a exption.

Trance was cool but I rarely had the chance to use it in a boss fight...

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::shakes his head::
The POINT of Trance is that you don't control it, like in VII, VIII, and X. (Two of those three were dark spots on the FF franchise-guess which two?) In case you didn't pay attention, Trance is a "surge of emotion" (Mogster tells you this in the very beginning)...how do you control surges of emotion? What other games can you "double" in, SheaD? FFVI if you have a Gem Box, FFVIII, and FFX, so far as I know. I'm sorry you don't like that you might actually have to work to beat a boss, as opposed to just charging limits, but for the rest of us who enjoy the occasional challenge, it's rather nice.

I mean, you only have to look at Eiko's trance to see how bad it is.
Double white!? Its of absolutely no use to me as everyone has auto-reflect on anyway!
Zidane's trance was good but I am missing one of them! :'(
i thought eiko's trance was VERY useful. i could bring someone back to life and then heal the whole party in one turn. i found this to be very useful during the kuja/necron fight.

garnets is useful too. it summons an eidolon every like 5 seconds, and it only is the cost of summoning it once. useful, or not?

i was missing one of zidane's also, but i got grand lethal, so it was ok.

there are some stupid ones like quina's. i never used freya's, amarant's, or steiner. (my party was zidane, vivi, garnet, and eiko)

vivi's were useful sometime, but i got into a bind when i used them during the last kuja fight. kuja cast reflect before i could cast and the party got hit with 2 doomsday or 2 comets. it sucked.

Some of the Trances were crap though, but 10's overdid it, with the amount of HP you can have and the powerful attacks.. that game was to easy.

...Granted, some of the Trance attacks sucked. I don't remember what Amarant's did (I never used him, sadly), and "Cook" was a waste, unless you actually used Quina and were trying to get as many blue magic spells as possible. But for the most popular characters (Zidane, Vivi, Garnet, Eiko, Steiner), their Trances were quite useful.

If its a question of controll then I must be the only one who was smart enough to press the two shoulder buttuns and run away when I needed my trance for bosses and such... and at least it actually had a story with it.... and the whole "Trance Kuja" thing was cool!

Running away from battles takes forever, I always use Zidane's move. (run? flee? i forget)

What I don't like about trance is that it just happens and there's no real explantion why. If it's going to be part of the story, at least put it in more than just rescuing Garnet in the forest and Kuja going nuts in Terra. Apart from those moments it's just there to make battles easier every now and then.

i tranced at tons of boss fights, i guess i was lucky or something.

but wasnt there an ablility to raise the likeliness of a trance?

Yes there was, the High-Tide ability.

I loved Trance, The fact that you couldn't control it was great. Well, maybe I like it because I never used my Limit for a boss fight. Every time my Limit/Overdrive went up I used. So it was like the same thing for me.

But still Trance was cool.

No matter what you always had to use the trance. Thats what annoyed me, it was such a waste of limit when I didnt even need it.

Yes there was, the High-Tide ability.
i had that equiped all the time

Well if imagine that Free Energy do the Same Damage like Grand Lethal it makes you realy desapointed coz its no youse to use Grand Lethal to make 9999 dmg.But Trace in FFIX are Great coz the make look FFIX like an Clasical FF

Well if imagine that Free Energy do the Same Damage like Grand Lethal it makes you realy desapointed coz its no youse to use Grand Lethal to make 9999 dmg.But Trace in FFIX are Great coz the make look FFIX like an Clasical FF

...What? If I understood what you attempted to say (which was that Trance made FFIX look like a 'classic' FF), Then I'd like to know what FF games you've played...'twas the character design, endless references to the old-school games, the four-player party, as well as some spoiler-sensitive issues that made FFIX look like a 'classic' FF.

BTW, Vivi can do 9999 damage for fewer mp than Zidane, and you don't need a limit break to do it.

The fact that you didnt have a choice when to use it like in FF7 made it crap.A normal monster hits you and wastes you Trance!?!It was really shit compared to limit system in FF7.That was my fave. =)

ok, learn how to type, first of all.

second of all, 7's limits were stupidly simple. as were others, but 7 had the easiest by far (imo)

third, trance is more realistic. they said that trance was the result of highly charged emotions in battle. so, after a battle, why would they still be emotionally charged? it made sense for you to have to use it in the battle or waste it.

trance was beast although it never came at the times you need it.........
cook: i think it does something not sure though
Dyne: his attack power goes into dynamics
Atk(Stiener): triples his atk pwr
eidelon:keeps summoning her eidolons for less mp
elan or something: uses monk on allchars/enimies

ok, learn how to type, first of all.

second of all, 7's limits were stupidly simple. as were others, but 7 had the easiest by far (imo)

third, trance is more realistic. they said that trance was the result of highly charged emotions in battle. so, after a battle, why would they still be emotionally charged? it made sense for you to have to use it in the battle or waste it.

Why would you have a "surge of emotion" against a fuckin bug?You wouldnt mind it against a hard monster.In FF8 the way you can use limits when your nearly dead would make more sence as a "surge of emotion" cause its out of desperation cause your about to be fuckin killed!!!And FF9s system charged up the same as 7's(only painfuly slowly) only in FF7 you could actually make good use of the limits instead of wasting them on shit monsters!!!And I can type so Fuck off!!!

Trance is shit.

You are shit.

Trance is shit.

Why is it "shit"?, you gotta give a reason to back it up, my friend.

People dislike Trance for a lot of reasons. Dismissing the fact that it's simply not as powerful as some of the other limit systems and it's not as easy to exploit, because that as already been dismissed by most here as whining, I think we end up with the following remaining reasons to dislike Trance:


- Only one character gets access to a special set of abilities --- everybody else's is just riffs off of stuff they already have

- Quina's Trance --- almost completely useless once s/he's learned all her Blue Magic and not all that useful even when s/he hasn't

- Zidane's Trance --- as has already been mentioned, why bother with Grand Lethal when after a certain point, the less MP "weaker" attacks do just as much damage.


P.S.: Best Trance --- Amarant's --- because it makes such a wide range of quite useful abilities apply to all allies or opponents. Second best --- Eiko, for previously stated reason --- you can heal all your characters and then immediately follow up with an attack to an enemy --- or even just go gung-ho at the enemy if your characters are doing all right.

well said agent0042

:) Thanks.

P.S.: For those that dislike Trance, state the one way in which you would change it, withotu copying anybody else's reason. Here's the one way I would change it:

Whenever any character goes into Trance, all current commands (including those of the Tranced character) that have already been entered but are still waiting to be executed are cleared, allowing the player to then immediately re-evaluate what they want to do, now that the character is in Trance.

I dont quite understand what you mean, sorry...

Don't understand what I mean by how I would change it?

Okay - lemme try to simplify. You know how it can get annoying --- a character goes into Trance and you wanna use the Trance abilities and stuff, but you've already put in commands to attack, or summon or whatever for your other characters, or maybe even that character as well? Well, I would have it so that whenever a character went into Trance, those previous commands you gave would be cancelled. The timebars for those characters would be reset to full and you'd be free to go about as you liked.

Why is it "shit"?, you gotta give a reason to back it up, my friend.

Well for starters the abilities could have been better thought out, Zidane became an ape, you can't choose when you use it (it initiates automaticaly), and I'm not one for glowing pink characters.

He wasn`t an ape. Trance brought forth exaggerated versions of everybody. Vivi became a powerful mages, Steiners armour became almost royal and Zidane gained more of an animalistic look. Perfect for battle.

i thought the trance system was great because u became a lot stronger
and u could do cool move while in trance

Don't understand what I mean by how I would change it?

Okay - lemme try to simplify. You know how it can get annoying --- a character goes into Trance and you wanna use the Trance abilities and stuff, but you've already put in commands to attack, or summon or whatever for your other characters, or maybe even that character as well? Well, I would have it so that whenever a character went into Trance, those previous commands you gave would be cancelled. The timebars for those characters would be reset to full and you'd be free to go about as you liked.

Oh! Ok sorry, I didn't understand it the first time I read it through but this simplified it more.

Yeah, that would be a good change. It was especially annoying that after the character used the command that you previously had input the trance would be half gone already.

yeah i didnt like the trance but i loved freyas dragon box move (thingy me bob i dont really remember what it is called but it has dragon in it)

My only Qualm in it is when you get Zidane, Quina and Freya's Ultimate Moves like Thievery, Frogdrop and Dragon's Crest, you never want them to trance anymore, Zidane Only uses a smaller MP cost when he's just using Thievery and it deals as much damage as Grand Lethal, same for Quina and Freya, once you get the maximum damage for these three abilities, Trance wouldn't be of much use, but on the lighter side, I find Sarah's Trance much better, since I always use the Autopotion-AutoHaste-AutoRegen +Summon Combo, With the Eidolon Command, I can Maximize Restoring my HP, also When I use DoubleBlack, I have AutoReflect and Reflectx2 on Vivi and Amarant, and it deals a Very large amount of Damage, Even if the Number is expressed on 9999. It's quite higher than 9999

But that's only really a problem for Zidane. Dyne blocks access to the Skills command, meaning that you can't use Thievery while he's in Trance. Quina's Trance, however, only affects the Eat command, changing it to Cook --- that doesn't keep you from using Blue Magic. And Freya's changes the nature of her Jump, again, it doesn't block access to her Dragon Knight skills.