Whats the best rpg you've played? Mine would have to be (No suprise) Final Fantasy 7 and 10

Lunar 1&2, KH1 and FF10. I love you Yuna!

You guys seriously need to play other RPG's than Final Fantasy. There are so many better than the series.

I'm not sure which is the best; very difficult for me to decide. Chrono Trigger is always going to be at the top of the list for me. 10 different endings, being able to replay the game with all your weapons and stats and such, the amount of time you have to put into the game, the storyline. This game always comes to mind when I consider the best RPG ever.

Knights of the old republic one and two, elder scrolls series and final fantasy series.

I can't decide! i love so many of them! i will list a few instead! :p

FFVII
Baldurs Gate & Icewind (PC)
Suikoden 2
FFVIII

FFV111 - One of the most beautiful games ever
FFX - Perfect in every way
Pokemon Red - To kick Mewtwo's ass!

I gotta say either suikoden1+2

or
Vandal hearts 1

Final Fantasy doesn't even begin to compare to Knights of the Old Republic.

Also, Blood Omen.

Final Fantasy doesn't even begin to compare to Knights of the Old Republic.

Also, Blood Omen.

Blood Omen was not a true RPG, but a very kick ass game indeed. =)

Well, I draw a line between favorite and best, my favorite would be the Baldurs Gate saga, but the best is Chrono Trigger, for the same reason Smokey posted. No single game up to date has had that much multiple endings and game depth to keep playing over and over.

I disagree. I'd say the first Blood Omen counts as an action RPG, even if none of the sequels do.

1. Breath of Fire IV - It had a great battle system, it felt very fluid, and it made a combo magic system that worked very well. The story was very well developed. You actually understood why the villain snapped. And you got to play as him a lot. There were lots of mini games that if nothing else entertained you. You could build a town, fish, and hunt. This game is absolutly perfect.

2. Dungeons and Dragons - Since it is best RPG thread, and granted D&D is tabletop, D&D is still an RPG so I'll talk about that. Think about it, D&D is what started it all. You could actually narrate your own stories, create your own characters, make your own personallity, you can do anything with this game if you have you the immagination.

3. FF7, I don't need to talk this one, I'm not a fanboy. But I do like this game. And I still play it. So uh, yeah.

I think all RPG's are good because it's hard to made right? and thats need and expert right? but above all the great is and of course FINAL FANTASY SERIES from 1 to 12 (if the game out yet) heheeheehhe

Yeah, sure....

I think all RPG's are good because it's hard to made right? and thats need and expert right? but above all the great is and of course FINAL FANTASY SERIES from 1 to 12 (if the game out yet) heheeheehhe
Say that again with proper grammar.

I think all RPG's are good because it's hard to made right? and thats need and expert right? but above all the great is and of course FINAL FANTASY SERIES from 1 to 12 (if the game out yet) heheeheehhe

I think what he's trying to say is "I think all rpg's are good because its hard to make them right. Above all though, is, of course, the great Final Fantasy series, from 1 through 12 (if the game is out yet, heheheheh.)"

C'mon, D&D hombre.

D&D is good, but you have to choose the game board master carefully, or so I have heard (I've never played)

I can't just pick one... as I've played quite a few on all the consoles I have. I'll just list my personal favs per console...

NES - Wizards & Warriors series - I have all three of these games, and even if they do fall under the 'Action RPG' title, I still enjoy them.
SNES - Breath of Fire II - This was the first console RPG i ever played, and even now, I still have it in mint condition.
N64 - Unfortunately, there wasn't many which I enjoyed on this console.
GC - I only have Tales of Symphonia at the moment, so I'll list that.
Master System - Same as the N64.
Megadrive - Phantasy Star II sticks out in my mind for this console.... There's just something about it I enjoy.
Mega - CD - Don't have any RPG's for this.
Saturn - Mystaria Realms of Lore - This was thev ery first 3-D strategy RPG I played and loved. It took me about seven years to finally track down a copy.
Dreamcast - Skies of Arcadia - Not just a good RPG, but it had the one thing missing from the FF games.... AIRSHIP BATTLES!
PSX - This is where it gets hard. Choosing from the likes of Vandal Hearts series, Suikoden series, Wild Arms, Persona, Xenogears, Lunar series and the like. Unfortunately I can't choose which one I like the most.
PS2 - At the moment, Shadow Hearts Covenant gets my vote for this console.
Xbox - Jade Empire. Just got it, and already I'm hooked.
PC - Simple... all of the old SSI (Strategic Simulations Incorporated) RPG games. These, while old, are still awesome. Some based on the Forgotten Realms novels or the Dragonlance novels. Even now I still play them, not just for nostalgia reasons, but also because they're good.

N64 - Unfortunately, there wasn't many which I enjoyed on this console.



I played Holy Magic Century and I liked that.

FF6 greatest rpg of all time

the best one for me would be ff8, ffx and chrono cross.

The best RPGs I played are:

Shadow Hearts Covenant
Star Ocean 2
Suikoden 2 and 3
Lunar 1 and 2
and FFVIII,IX

Final Fantasy VII (brilliant work of art)

Final Fantasy VI (music has yet to be equaled, melody-wise)

Chrono Trigger (could've done without Chrono Cross, IMHO)

The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (I love Link; what can I say?)

Final Fantasy VI is the one that conjures up the best memories.

I also hold Vagrant Story and Chrono Cross in the highest regard.

Edit: EarthBound and Paper Mario are personal favourites of mine, though many are quick to dismiss them.

You guys seriously need to play other RPG's than Final Fantasy. There are so many better than the series. Chrono Trigger is always going to be at the top of the list for me.

My thoughts exactly. Also check out Dark Cloud 2: Dark chronicle and the .hack series.

Don't forget Breath of Fire IV.

other than ff, i would have to say morrowind, chrono cross, LOTR: the third age, and.............ok im just gonna say it, im addicted to legend of dragoon, is that so wrong?

Yes

LOTR: the third age

Ahhh! That game sucked balls.

But I do agree that CC was one of the best RPG's ever, same with CT and pretty much all the FF besides 11 and 10-2.

cant really say, i dont have a number one favourite. if i had to pick a fave FF game it would either be VI or Tactics but as for everything else its a toss up:

Shining Force
Baldurs Gate
Chrono Trigger (Friggin ace!)
Breath of Fire

The list could go on and as for the D&D tabletop game, yeah it rocks if you can get serious gamers to play it!

My thoughts exactly. Also check out Dark Cloud 2: Dark chronicle and the .hack series.

Hah, the European version is called Dark Chronicle, I have that game. And it's ace.

Whats the best rpg you've played? Mine would have to be (No suprise) Final Fantasy 7 and 10
i would say ff7 & ffx

In terms of the number of hours of my life lost due to play, The Elder Scrolls: Morrowind wins hands down. I spent four months playing it non-stop, for five hours a night. I also loved both the Knights of the Old Republic, playing the second one to death in just over a week and still trying to work out the ending (or lack thereof).

Console-wise, I loved Final Fantasy X's storyline (if you sit there and work your way through it, it really is so well written). Chrono Trigger is right up there with the best, with the characters being likeable and the story being well written. Shining Force 2 is also one of the better ones, and I enjoyed Suikoden. I still need to beat the crap out of Konami for not releasing 3 in Europe.

Knights of the old republic one and two, elder scrolls series and final fantasy series.

i have to agree with Liz :-D
Exactly what i was going to write =)

Diablo,
Diablo II,
Diablo II:Expansion,
All the Final Fantasy Games,
And Ragnarok.

I have no more to say, these are the best.

Here's my list (in no specific order)

FFVI
FFIX
Morrowind
Star Ocean 2
Lunar: SSS
Chrono Trigger

Notable absences include FFVII and FFX, for good reasons (or so I think).

FFX would be the best thing ever in my book, were it not for the ending. I think Square fracked up big time by allowing players to exceed limits that have been long-standing traditions. Also, with about three-six extra hours of gaming, one can make Yuna so powerful, that Orlandu looks like a chump in comparison. Yuna's ultimate weapon is wicked easy to get, and way overpowered. With it, I slaughtered EVERYTHING in my path, and I did NOT go all out to make my charries very strong, AT ALL. When you have a charrie dealing 99999 per round, with minimal effort, you have a problem, Houston.

As for FFVII, I personally think it the worst of the series (gasp!). First of all, Cloud is the worst protagonist I have ever seen. Once the coolness factor wears off for Sephiroth, he's not much better. Toss in the extremely muddled storyline (especially at the end), and it just leaves too much to be desired. Also, Jenova is a deliberate mistranslation of Jehovah (the name of God translated "THE LORD" in most Bibles), and from what I've read, Sephiroth is a reference to a piece of Jewish theology (the path of Sephirot, if memory serves). This is important, because by making them the villains in the game, it's a nice low blow to Western Culture (seeing as it was founded primarily upon Judeo-Christian beliefs) as a whole.

The games that did make my (by no means authoritative) list should speak for themselves, though.

Congratulations. You win my seal of approval. Please stick around and continue posting, secure in the knowledge that I have no desire to mercilessly mock you.

Diablo 2 LOD is probaly the best imo.It's astonishing longetivity never ceases to amaze me.Also it holds the record for being the fastest game to sell 1 million copies.It's pure genius really.

if MMORPG is allowed then i will say that i really enjoy FFXI and what i have seen of ragnarok (i have only been using a 23$ voucher [1 month] from a magazine)

for the N64 i did really enjoy a game called aidyn chronicles the first mage
quite dark and mature for most n64 games

the seiken series will always live on in my heart as my true favorites (pitty about multi platform)

Diablo 2 LOD is probaly the best imo.It's astonishing longetivity never ceases to amaze me.Also it holds the record for being the fastest game to sell 1 million copies.It's pure genius really.

Do i have to say more..he said it all ^_^ but D2 is not the ebst ever, at least not for me, although it kicks some serious butt

Best RPG ever: Final Fantasy VII - end of story ^_^

I haven't really played many but Final fantasy 7 wins.
You want a reason? The setting and Story and music were all just right.

I notice a lot of you have put more than one game despite the topic title being "The best rpg ever!" so will I.

Soliel (megadrive) also called Crusader of centy in America.
Buck rogers countdown to doomsday (megadrive)
Legend of Zelda Link's awakening (gameboy)
Chrono trigger (Snes) (only played via emulation though...)

Also I recognise that Final fantasy 9 is a better game than 7.

Final Fantasy X and Xenosaga Episode I are two very awesome games in my opinion.

Also I recognise that Final fantasy 9 is a better game than 7.
pfft! 9 is my second least favourite but my favourite RPG is probably FFX, outsideof FFs it'd be Kingdom Hearts and Golden Sun (GBA)

Suikoden II
Everything else is for LOSERS

pfft! 9 is my second least favourite but my favourite RPG is probably FFX

Fair enough, However I was so dissapointed with 10 I didn't even bother with 10-2. I would like to see someone come up with a GOOD reason why 9 is not fantastic.

I would like to see someone come up with a GOOD reason why 9 is not fantastic.

half of the characters are drawn like children, the storyline is weak and simple compared to other rpg's, the characters arent as easy to connect to, the soundtrack is probably the worst in all the ff games (that ive played at least), and the main enemy is a dude in a thong. im not homophobic or anything but i dont think very many people who realize this can be completely comfortable with the fact that youre chasing him around the world. ff9 is still a really good game and all despite this, but i think fantastic may be a bit over the top

And you've played what, 7, 10, and 10-2?

The following RPGs can't be matched in awesomeness:

FF6 :love: :love: :love:
Chrono Trigger :love: :love: :love:
Tales of Phantasia (This game would make Final Fantasy 1-6 look like a bunch of dirty whores if it weren't so goddamned hard :()

i think fantastic may be a bit over the top

Well... I can't really argue with what you wrote, but it's still fantastic in my mind.
I'm guessing you probably didn't like the way the characters were designed because you prefer realism? I prefer original designs like 9 over realistic people in 8.
And kuja is rather disturbing I'll admit, I would say he is more flamboyant than simply Gay as some people claim.
But the story is good until you get to the end when suddenly loads of plot twists are thrown at you for no reason. The crystal and Necron and all that.

half of the characters are drawn like children, the storyline is weak and simple compared to other rpg's, the characters arent as easy to connect to, the soundtrack is probably the worst in all the ff games (that ive played at least), and the main enemy is a dude in a thong. im not homophobic or anything but i dont think very many people who realize this can be completely comfortable with the fact that youre chasing him around the world. ff9 is still a really good game and all despite this, but i think fantastic may be a bit over the top

If you're even hinting in the teeniest, tiniest way, that FFVII might, in this dimension, or any other, past, present, or future, be better in ANY way than FFIX...you deserve one hundred and forty lashes with a wet noodle.

By the way, Griff, did Legend of Dragoon have a story? I played maybe half way through it, and I never found one. The battle mechanic with the timed hits was nice, though. Also, Chrono Trigger was WAY better than Cross. Serge's double-bladed thing was neat, but there were just WAY too many characters to cram into a three-person party. Notables include a Nikki Sixx wanna-be, a masamune-wielding knight named Glenn (THAT doesn't sound familiar...), and a fracking voodoo doll! But FFIX had characters that were drawn like children...

I'm glad noone has mentioned Monkey Hero.

Secret of Mana, Legend of Mana, Sword of Mana, Seiken Densetsu 3, Legend of Zelda, Legends of Zelda 2, Legend of Zelda:A Link to the Past, Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening, Legend of Zelda: Ocarnia of Time, Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask, Legend of Zelda: Windwaker, Legend of Zelda: Minish Cap, Final Fantasy 1, Final Fantasy 6, Final Fantasy 7, Final Fantasy 9, Final Fantasy 10, Final Fantasy: Dawn of Souls, Star Ocean: Till the End of Time, Tales of Symphonia, Fable, Metal Gear Solid, Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty, Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance, Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes

That's all I have off the top of my head.... Might edit this later

5) Parasite Eve

4) TIE

Final Fantasy VII and Final Fantasy Tactics

3) Chrono Cross

2) Xenogears

1) Vagrant Story

The japanese like super deformed characters. And I admit they have a certain charm.
Anyway I think the character designs in 9 are the best looking character designs in any game ever! (that ive played anyway) theres only so much you can do with humans, but without the limitations of having to look like people you can be more creative.

I never played much of Vagrant Story, but what I did play, I liked.

1.) Final Fantasy 7
2.) Star ocean: The Second story
3.) Final Fantasy 8
4.) Legend of Dragoon

Zelda's not an RPG, Swami. I mean come on what are you stupid or something :rolleyes:

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Final fantasy 9 and ifits not a final fantasy game it would be Tales Of Symphonia

Final Fantasy IX is my favourtie along side Chrono Trigger and FFVII

Zelda's not an RPG, Swami. I mean come on what are you stupid or something :rolleyes:

In a sense, it is. I've got Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask. They're both RPGs. Do what you want, when you want, whatever you want. Even the way one fights off the monsters.
Saying the Zelda games aren't RPGs is like saying the FF series aren't RPGs.

But when you get down to it, the FF games aren't any more than pseudo-RPGs in that (as role-playing games go) there's very little to no actual role-playing.

You know, that's ctually the first time I thought about that. And it's true. Kinda scary.

On top of my list is Star Ocean: Till the end of time. Next is final fantasy IX. It's old school and I love it ^_^

Probably the first two Suikoden games. Chrono Trigger and Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete go up there too. I don't think I could chose between these games.

The best RPGs I've played:

1. Final Fantasy VII (PS)
2. Chrono Cross (PS)
3. Shadow of Memories/Destiny (PS2)
4. Final Fantasy VIII (PS)
5. Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals (SNES)
6. Chrono Trigger (SNES)
7. Final Fantasy VI (SNES)
8. A Blurred Line (PC)
9. Star Ocean: The Second Story (PS)
10. Dragon Quest V (SNES)
11. Final Fantasy X (PS2)
12. Alundra (PS)
13. Grandia (PS)
14. Lunar 2: Eternal Blue (PS)
15. Final Fantasy IX (PS)
16. Secret of Mana (SNES)
17. Fable (XBOX)
18. Final Fantasy V (SNES)
19. Granstream Saga (PS)
20. Final Fantasy IV (SNES)

I might update my list after playing a few more RPGs that might change my mind. I wonder if the Metal Gear games can qualify as RPGs?

All of the ff, ffVII is my least fav it is way too much sucked up 2, FFIV is amazing i like all mgs, legend of zeldas, fable, kotor, alundra, breath of fire games, lotr: the third age... well i like all rpgs that iv played but my most fav is........ FFVIII




We rode on the winds of the rising storm,
We ran to the sounds of thunder.
We danced among the lightning bolts
And tore the world asunder.

i'd hafta say ff10 and chrono cross, and that nine sux really really REALLY bad too childish and also star ocean: till the end of time i like alot

fools

Who do you think you're calling fools? You're the idiot who says FF9 sucks because it was childish. Anyone who dislikes a game just because they think it looks childish should have any and all consoles taken away from them immediately. Either that or they should receive counseling for their immaturity complex.

i'd hafta say ff10 and chrono cross, and that nine sux really really REALLY bad too childish and also star ocean: till the end of time i like alot

You think nine was childish?

Zidane TOTALLY wanted to dagger Dagger, ikywim.

The amount of sexual innuendo in that game was frustrating, and ultimately fruitless =/

on topic:

The best RPG i've played would undoubtedly be Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic. I know i've wavered between this and Jade Empire, but ultimately KOTOR has better replayability - not to mention it's not quite as short :(

i'd hafta say ff10 and chrono cross, and that nine sux really really REALLY bad too childish and also star ocean: till the end of time i like alot

Childish games are actually quite good. Think about Katamari Damacy or Ratchet and Clank. Childish yet very fun. But wait, how is IX childish?

Childish games are actually quite good. Think about Katamari Damacy or Ratchet and Clank. Childish yet very fun. But wait, how is IX childish?

Considering that Kuja was a man wearing a thong, and had no bulge whatsoever. I'd say he's actually chic, or a Tranny. Him and Sarah should get together. haha

I can't tell if that was a burn or a joke.

Secret of Mana, Legend of Mana, Sword of Mana, Seiken Densetsu 3, Legend of Zelda, Legends of Zelda 2, Legend of Zelda:A Link to the Past, Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening, Legend of Zelda: Ocarnia of Time, Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask, Legend of Zelda: Windwaker, Legend of Zelda: Minish Cap, Final Fantasy 1, Final Fantasy 6, Final Fantasy 7, Final Fantasy 9, Final Fantasy 10, Final Fantasy: Dawn of Souls, Star Ocean: Till the End of Time, Tales of Symphonia, Fable, Metal Gear Solid, Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty, Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance, Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes

That's all I have off the top of my head.... Might edit this later

Ok so you read this and then got into an argument over whether Zelda is an RPG (I beleive its an action RPG). DID NO ONE NOTICE METAL GEAR!? I love metal gear, its ace but how in hell is it an RPG?

Metal Gear Solid 3 Is One Of The Best Games I've Played.

My Three Best RPG's Are

1.Final Fantasy VII
2.Final Fantasy X
3.Final Fantasy VIII

chrono cross
final fantasy seven, of course
ffx2

for mi its maple story =P

why coz its free rpg game i had heard other than runescape of course -__-

moreover their cartoon is rather cute *_*

wonderin any online rpg games that r free currently?

Its not really an RPG but Navyfield

Shenmue Online has been taking up a quite large amount of time during the day. Had to get a PC for it, so I got a VAIO, it works well.

Final Fantasy VII no doubt.... with FFVIII and Baldurs Gate II: Shadow of Amn close behind. All features tons of gameplay, engaging storylines, great graphics and amazing soundtrack(especially Baldurs Gate II)

MIne has to be Terranigma its what got me into RPG gaming.

Super Nintendow game if anyone does not know

Okay... I haven't done this for a while, so I have to think about it. Here goes...

1) Final Fantasy III (SNES)
-> Hands-down the best RPG of its time, and arguaby the best Final Fantasy in the series.
2) Seiken Densetsu 3 (SNES)
-> I started playing this about a half-year ago. It's story was really engrossing, and it had slick graphics to-boot. SE made a big mistake by not releasing a US version of this game, as it is probably the best in the Mana series.
3) The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (N64)
-> The #1 best Zelda game ever.
4) Chrono Trigger (SNES)
-> Classic game.
5) Chrono Cross (PS1)
-> (even though the plot confuses the hell out of me, I still found it quite enjoyable to play)
6) The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap (GBA)
-> The #2 best Zelda game ever. This game had me hooked for weeks. I played it whenever I had a spare minute of two (which was a lot). Which reminds me, I still haven't collected all of the figurines yet...
7) Final Fantasy XI (PC)
-> This game, although freakin' impossible to gain Gil, whored up most of my time a few years ago. I wasted so much time with this game, and the people weren't even that friendly in it. Thus, it isn't in my top three, but I thought I owed it some credit for allieviating my boredom way-back-when.
8) Phantasy Star Online V.1 (DC)
-> I'm talking about before it went to hell (as in: hacking, BSOD'ing, cloning, PKing, CKing, and just the general n00byness of the PSO population)
9) Final Fantasy IX (PS1)
-> I've gotta give credit where credit is due... FFIX was the first one that got me into the series. I <3 it.
10) Mario Kart (N64)
-> Gotta love this game. I especially loved the Yoshis Canyon level... And Donkey Kong's Jungle. Good times.

Final Fantasy VII no doubt.... with FFVIII and Baldurs Gate II: Shadow of Amn close behind. All features tons of gameplay, engaging storylines, great graphics and amazing soundtrack(especially Baldurs Gate II)
I have strong doubts about Final Fantasy VII.

Best RPG ive played has got to be either FFVII, FFVIII or Zelda OOT, 3 great games which i enjoyed loads

FFVII

10) Mario Kart (N64) -> Gotta love this game. I especially loved the Yoshis Canyon level... And Donkey Kong's Jungle. Good times.

how did that get there?

Final Fantasy Six FTW!

No particular order:

FFVI

Legend of Legaia

Blood Omen

Star Ocean: The Second Story

Valkyrie Profile

And... that's about it, that I can recall right off.

The only RPG's ive played are FF's, but ive played a lot of them, so VII, VIII, IX, X and X-2

The only RPG's ive played are FF's, but ive played a lot of them, so VII, VIII, IX, X and X-2
Then you seriously need to broaden your view, because you are missing some truly excellent RGP titles.

Then you seriously need to broaden your view, because you are missing some truly excellent RGP titles.

Example

A great example would be:

Baldurs Gate (complete series)
Planescape: Torment (freaking awesome game)
Wild Arms 1 & 3
Legaia 2: Duel Saga
Skies of Arcadia
Baten Kaitos

Those are my most favorite off top of my head.

Never heard of any of them.
I only tend to buy the most famous of games, and as FF is the most famous, I bought it

I played a bit of Bauldars Gate.Thats a good game.My fav is FF7 btw.

The thing that attracted me to the series though was X's FMV.
Does those other games that you metioned Neo Xzhan have as good a graphics as FF

I havent played most of em but FF graphics are pretty hard to beat.FF7 was the first RPG I played and its still my fav.

If you're favorite game is FFVII, you asking about the quality of the graphics being it's equal, that's laughable.

Anyway:

Wild Arms 1 looks the most like FFVII graphics wise, it's a PSX game.
Wild Arms 3 is totally different, art style that is, the game is for PS2.
Both Plance Scape Torment and Baldurs Gate are for the PC, they run on the Bioware Infinity Engine, though heavily modified for PS:T and a new version for BG2. The games both look realistic though filled with fantasy, you have an isometric view of the game.
Baten Kaitos, for the GameCube, looks realisitic and colorfull and fully 3D.
Skies of Arcadia, also for the GC, looks cartoonish/anime-ish but is also in full 3D.
Legaia 2, for the PS2, doesn't look as good as most PS2 games do, the game however is good enough to look past the fact that the graphics could have been better.

You like saying that VII was your fave dont ya.
VII didnt used to be my fave, X did. But with all these compalations, its started to grow on me, and it might be the new winner

You like saying that VII was your fave dont ya.
VII didnt used to be my fave, X did. But with all these compalations, its started to grow on me, and it might be the new winner
There are so many better RPG's out there than Final Fantasy. And the reason that they aren't as popular is because people like you don't invest the time and money to try out a game if it doesn't have the title 'Final Fantasy' in it.

I'm only 15. I dont earn money, (thinking of getting a paper round) I dont have the resources to just leisurely spend my money like that. And as for time..... I have plenty of time, I do what I like round the house really

I'm only 15. I dont earn money, (thinking of getting a paper round) I dont have the resources to just leisurely spend my money like that. And as for time..... I have plenty of time, I do what I like round the house really
And I didn't earn money either when I was in love with Chrono Trigger, Super Mario RPG, and other past great RPG's. That's why you tell your parents to buy them for you.

lol a game is shit if its graphics are shit lol

That's why you tell your parents to buy them for you.

You try and tell my mum that.

If you're favorite game is FFVII, you asking about the quality of the graphics being it's equal, that's laughable.

Anyway:

Wild Arms 1 looks the most like FFVII graphics wise, it's a PSX game.
Wild Arms 3 is totally different, art style that is, the game is for PS2.
Both Plance Scape Torment and Baldurs Gate are for the PC, they run on the Bioware Infinity Engine, though heavily modified for PS:T and a new version for BG2. The games both look realistic though filled with fantasy, you have an isometric view of the game.
Baten Kaitos, for the GameCube, looks realisitic and colorfull and fully 3D.
Skies of Arcadia, also for the GC, looks cartoonish/anime-ish but is also in full 3D.
Legaia 2, for the PS2, doesn't look as good as most PS2 games do, the game however is good enough to look past the fact that the graphics could have been better.

I meant the likes of FFX graphics.The FMVs in FF are always good,I wasnt saying it about FF7.I know what the graphics are like in that.

Graphics do not make a game good =/

No they make it good to look at.lol.You dont need em to make a game good but it still helps.You can do much more in a 3d game than a 2d one.SO the better the graphics the better the game play in some cases.And why would they be improving it all the time if it wasnt important?

They are improving it because they can. I'm not saying they don't help but your way of thinking is that good graphics means good games, which is simply not true.

No.I play FF for the story.

Yer but FF wouldnt be as good, if they didnt have the FMV's.

Yeah the FMVs are great!

Not really. The FF games certainly have some nice-looking CGI, but they've all been crap in terms of cinematography.

Well I dont really know anything about that but I still like the graphics.FFX and X-2 were brilliant.

Prak will make any old excuse for something to be wrong

Actually I just bought a game called Rhapsody: A Musical Adventure for PS1, and it's cool. It's funny and witty and the attacks are funny like the "Pancake Attack"! I just like Atlus' RPG's they are always quirky and fun and always making you laugh, so if you like comedic RPGs this game would be pretty good for you. Even though some might say it's girly. I've played it and I'm a guy. (I'm not gay)

Would have to be final fantasy 10 , then kingdom hearts , then maybe final fantasy 10 -2 , even if it was a let down from 10 ( beautiful games at that )

Prak will make any old excuse for something to be wrong

Yes, but most of the time he's right. Ya gotta take that into consideration.

Yer, but how can he diss the FMV's.
They're the best graphics in the world. What other company can do graphics like AC

A lot of companies can do CGI on that level now. The problem is that it's a complicated and expensive process that usually doesn't pay off. And as for the FMVs themselves, I didn't say the CGI is bad; I said that the cinematography is laughable, which is entirely true.

Whats cinematography?
Is it the ordinary graphics of the game

Yer, but how can he diss the FMV's.
They're the best graphics in the world. What other company can do graphics like AC

ILM?, WETA digital?, Pixar?. Take your pick although i`m pretty sure there is many many more.

ILM?, WETA digital?, Pixar?. Take your pick although i`m pretty sure there is many many more.

I've never seen a company produce something like AC

I've never seen a company produce something like AC

Maybe not a feature length CGI movie but it`s possible. It`s not like SE is the leading company in CGI nowadays.
Look at the technical achievements in the Hulk or Gollum for instance. Miles ahead of AC imo.

Maybe not a feature length CGI movie

There we go then

Whats cinematography?

Look it up. I can't be bothered to type out a definition.

Also, way to ignore Dirge's point and home in the most inconsequential part of the post.

Cheers, you're a real pal

Well its clear that Rude and me know nothing about cinematography.But out of the games ive played I found FF to have to best graphics.On a technical view you could well be right but im fine thinking the way I do.

FFVII
FFVI
FFT
(duh)

WA1,3
BoF3,4,5
Skies of Arcadia
ShinMegTen: DDS
Star Ocean 1,2,3
Suikoden II
Baten Kaitos
ToD,P,S
SD3, LoM
Terranigma
And throw in some weird SNES, and PS2 games.

DUH

Best RPG? Well...I love RPGs and here's my list:
1. FFVII
2. Legend of the Dragoon
3. Shadow Hearts
4. dotHack (shutup, I know)

the underrated Parasite Eve. The sequel sucks.

the underrated Parasite Eve. The sequel sucks.
Amen. Parasite Eve was awesome. >_> My personal favorites: Final Fantasy IX, Star Ocean: TET, Radiata Stories, The Legend of Dragoon, Secret of Mana 3, any Tales game(Tales of Phantasia, Symphonia, etc.) and a ton more. I love anything involving Enix, basically.. they are gods. I have to go through my library sometime. :x By the way, newcomer here!

Tibia

DnD, UnknownArmies and Pokemon

KH 1/2

I play Star Ocean on a snes emulation snd its a great game so far

FF7, 8, 9, X-2 (I liked it)

Vagrant Story
Star Ocean 3

Chrono Trigger
Neverwinter Nights
Diablo 2+ Lord of Destruction
Baldurs Gate
Skies of Arcadia
Phantasy Star Online
FF7
FF8
FF10
Star Ocean: Till The End Of Time
Baldurs Gate 2

Star ocean: Til The end of Time
Final Fantasy 8
Legend of Dragoon
FFVII
FFX
FFX-2
not to mention the under rated Galerians
KH

Baldurs Gate
Baldurs Gate 2
Kotor
Kotor 2
Vampire The Masquerade bloodlines (the story is great the rest suck :P)
and FF 7

Videogames:
Earthbound
Ogre battle
Chrono trigger
Dark cloud &chronicles
Lucifer's call

BUT d&d and vampire (and other world of darkness/white wolf) tabletop games takes the cake for eternity (you can play it your entire life, always have something new and it's social)

Modern d 20

Knights of the Old Republic defeats all.

edit: 600 posts!

FFIX
Drakengard
FFVII
FFT
Kingdom Hearts
La Pucelle Tactics
Tactics Ogre

At least half of that list can't even be considered RPGs by any stretch of the word. =/

Kingdom Hearts I and II

At least half of that list can't even be considered RPGs by any stretch of the word. =/

Go fuck yourself. They are all RPGs and you are a big gay homo. Thanks for proving the point that you hate the fuck out of me and will go out on any limb to try and make me look stupid. I reiterate, Go fuck yourself.

Go fuck yourself. They are all RPGs and you are a big gay homo. Thanks for proving the point that you hate the fuck out of me and will go out on any limb to try and make me look stupid. I reiterate, Go fuck yourself.
Uh, it's the fact that he has a different explanation for what a true RPG is that what most people do. So you actually just made it worse with that insult ridden post.

Uh, it's the fact that he has a different explanation for what a true RPG is that what most people do. So you actually just made it worse with that insult ridden post.

Then why does he not mention anything when others post the same titles? It's cause it's me. In case you haven't noticed, me and Prak have a kind of 'history' here....

At least half of that list can't even be considered RPGs by any stretch of the word. =/

Just wondering which ones you don't consider RPG's

Van Finel, Drakengard is an action game with no resemblance at all to RPGs. FFT, La Pucelle Tactics, and Tactics Ogre are all strategy games. While FFT has enough of the conventions of the pseudo RPG genre most of the FF series falls under to sort of be considered one, the other two do not.

Also, Slim, I've said similar things to people who listed things like Zelda games. It wasn't an attack. It was an observation. I'm not always out to get you, but it's really funny to see you overreact that way, so please don't consider that an encouragement to change your ways.

Van Finel, Drakengard is an action game with no resemblance at all to RPGs. FFT, La Pucelle Tactics, and Tactics Ogre are all strategy games. While FFT has enough of the conventions of the pseudo RPG genre most of the FF series falls under to sort of be considered one, the other two do not.


I agree

As I have been known for taking definitions to prove my point, I will, once again, take advantage of this wonderful resource.

role-playing game
n.

A game in which players assume the roles of characters and act out fantastical adventures, the outcomes of which are partially determined by chance, as by the roll of dice.

Of course, this definition seems to be defining a 'board' game RPG, it still means the same thing. Outcomes are partially determined by chance. Whereas, statistics take the role of chance. For example, the luck statistic found in most RPGs. Or the fact that an attack may miss on occasion. Levelling up ultimately falls under the same category. Levelling up makes you better/stronger, therefore improving your chances of winning (Drakengard).

And Prak, the only reason I stated that you personally attacked me was because a small amount of posts prior to mine someone mention FFTactics and they were left happily alone. Also including the fact that, through past experiences, I am your prime target. You must like these arguements. To be hoest, I don't mind them. It's almost become a form of entertainment. It must be fun to read two smart people going at it. People's minds must be changing all the time. Anyway, I hope this clears things up.

That definition is wildly inaccurate and was probably written by someone who was completely ignorant of the roots of the genre, leading them to mistake its defining characteristics. Many people make the same mistake. First of all, any game that has premade characters whose decisions are predetermined is not a true RPG. RPGs are about role-playing, which is defining not just the actions, but the personality of your character.

Secondly, level systems are not a requisite feature of an RPG. The convention may have grown out of RPGs, but that's merely because pen and paper/tabletop RPGs were the first thing of their type. These days, such systems are used frequently in pure action games. For example, only a fool would ever call one of the 2D Castlevania games an RPG instead of an action platformer, but many of them feature level systems.

Valkyrie's Profile (PS)
Disgaea:Hour of Darkness (PS2)
Shin Megami Tensei:Nocturne (PS2)
Breath of Fire 4 (PS)
Makai Kingdom (PS2)
Golden Sun (GBA)

First of all, any game that has premade characters whose decisions are predetermined is not a true RPG.

So, no Final Fantasy is a true RPG?

Just because those ar Prak's definition of an RPG doesn't make it a solid fact. althought to my definition all games would be an RPG, so i don't know what to say.

So, no Final Fantasy is a true RPG?

Correct.


Just because those ar Prak's definition of an RPG doesn't make it a solid fact. althought to my definition all games would be an RPG, so i don't know what to say.

Thankfully, there are people like me out there who do know what to say. And me saying so does not make it a solid fact. I simply say it because it already is a solid fact.

Actually, FFI is considered a pseudo-RPG and FFXI is an MMORPG, but those are just exceptions.

Most of the stuff you guys listed are Adventure/Action/Platformer games with levelling up as a system for gaining power and abilities that help you beat the game.

Wow, Prak, your unbelievable knowledge of absolutely everything astonishes me. So basically, you just told me that everything that anyone has posted in this thread is not truly an RPG. The shit that spills from your mouth is unbelievable. Even when you try to cover your ass and save yourself from being proven wrong, you just dig yourself a deeper whole. Just learn to accept when you have made a mistake, because you do make them.

Wow, Prak, your unbelievable knowledge of absolutely everything astonishes me. So basically, you just told me that everything that anyone has posted in this thread is not truly an RPG. The shit that spills from your mouth is unbelievable. Even when you try to cover your ass and save yourself from being proven wrong, you just dig yourself a deeper whole. Just learn to accept when you have made a mistake, because you do make them.

Saying I'm wrong doesn't make it so, especially when I offer well-reasoned explanations for my points and you simply say "omg stfu ur wrong." In other words, you simply don't know when to give up, so you're looking like an absolute fool right now.

Wow, Prak, your unbelievable knowledge of absolutely everything astonishes me. So basically, you just told me that everything that anyone has posted in this thread is not truly an RPG. The shit that spills from your mouth is unbelievable. Even when you try to cover your ass and save yourself from being proven wrong, you just dig yourself a deeper whole. Just learn to accept when you have made a mistake, because you do make them.

Oh please! Spare me your histrionics and give us a sound argument as to why you think Prak is full of shit because I am failing to see eye to eye with you on this.

I dont care what anyone says, FF is a rpg!!!!!!!

Best rpg, chrono trigger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why don't you care? Are you content to allow the game to be mislabeled just because you find the misnomer to be comfortable? Perhaps you somehow think that the term "RPG" is a badge of honor or something and somehow makes a game better than other games? Either way, it's silly.

ffxii is the best rpg ever!...

although i'm not finishing it and stuck at the golmore jungle...

Actually, FFI is considered a pseudo-RPG and FFXI is an MMORPG, but those are just exceptions.

Most of the stuff you guys listed are Adventure/Action/Platformer games with levelling up as a system for gaining power and abilities that help you beat the game.

Would adding a "c" (for console) in front of the RPG misnomer clear things up? Calling games like FF, Chrono Trigger, and Star Ocean "Adventure/Action/Platformergames with levelling up system" is at least as inconvienent as just RPG is wrong.

Mine would obviously be many of the Final Fantasy series but another RPG that I love is by the same creators as Final Fantasy called Xenogears :-D

So basically, you just told me that everything that anyone has posted in this thread is not truly an RPG.

No, I posted "Modern", a D20 game made by "Wizards of the Coast", a true RPG by every nature of the word. I tend to only consider D&D and other games like that to be true RPG's, FFXI I think would be one, but I never played it, but I agree, any game with a pre-determined outcome and characters is not.

I do have an interesting question, what about "The Sims" games, RPG? or not?

Oh please! Spare me your histrionics and give us a sound argument as to why you think Prak is full of shit because I am failing to see eye to eye with you on this.
Well, for example, Prak seems to be the only one that knows any of the information that he provides. He gives no evidence, and when challenged WITH suitable evidence, he simply says it is wrong and he is right, giving us no reason but his own word to believe a thing he is saying. Dragon Quest, a series much like FF, also developed by SQUARE ENIX. Here is an exact quote from the back of Dragon Quest VIII. "A vast and vibrant world is yours to explore in the latest installment of this legendary role-playing series." I am quite sure the critics/developers of the game know a LOT more about videogames than Prak.

Fail. It has already been shown in previous iterations of this discussion that video game developers are completely aware that the term is a misnomer. They continue to use it because it is a popular buzz word that sells games.

I have given evidence in the past, which you should be well aware of, having posted in at least one of those threads. Therefore, you either have the attention span of a lobotomized fruit fly or you're simply a compulsive liar. I'm not going to attempt to guess which is the case.

I always thought an Rpg was a game where you play the role of the lead character while there personality changes as well they learn to over come their problems. But I didn't think you had to sculpt the characters personality yourself... huh go figure.

You have to understand the roots of the genre. It was born out of games like Dungeons & Dragons, where the principle dynamic is that of the role-playing, not the gaming mechanics. It's about you playing a role, not you watching the role play itself as it does in most of the games that are listed in this thread.

Planescape Torment for me. A CRPG that manages to be an actual RPG as well.

Also, great story.

You have to understand the roots of the genre. It was born out of games like Dungeons & Dragons, where the principle dynamic is that of the role-playing, not the gaming mechanics. It's about you playing a role, not you watching the role play itself as it does in most of the games that are listed in this thread.

I get confused over what D&D is really. Is it text based RPG covering the playing mechanics and the story?

And is it done on any electronic entertainment or is it more like a board game?

I was first introduced to RPG on the console system btw.

I think Final Fantasy VII was the best RPG for it's storyline, gameplay.

in my opinion, best RPG goes to Valkyrie's Profile for PS.

Final Fantasy kicks ass but Chrono Trigger is good too.

Final Fantasy kicks ass but Chrono Trigger is good too.

Worth 2 times saying!!
I'd prefer Zelda (dont start arguing about wheter it's an RPG or not plz) over any FF game, though I've played a lot more FF..

ffxii
chrono cross
ffx
grandia 3
shadow hearts covenant

Legond of the Dragoon.
DUH!

I have to say Suikoden 2.

Legend of the Dragoon.DUH!
Absolutely

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I loved FF tactics, if SRPG's counts

Tactics was good. I agree. Star Ocean: Till the End of Time was good, also the SO before that were good in my opinion, but nowhere near as good as Chrono Trigger, I think that was a great game.

Im not going to mention all the final fantasys i like,because thats pointless,but i do like Kingdom Hearts,Disney Mixed with FF and an RPG game,thats just magic,i love exploring the worlds and watching the scenes of someof my favourite disney films,the gameplay is brilliant,fastpacedand controlls well and the storyline its pretty damn good,i feel sorry for thoughs who underestimate it just because of disney,i cant wait for KH2 to come out......yup still not out in the uk.I also like Star Ocean 3 (havent had the chance to play 2 which ive heard good things about),but i played alot of 3 and really enjoyed it,im not even sure why,it was just great to playthough and see what happens next,and the combat its pretty good the characters are alright,not the best ive seen,passable though i didnt get to the end so i cant judge it completely.also some say tha tShenmue is an RPG,i see it more as an adventure,but anyway i love them games too
Well take it from me both KH2 and SO TEOT (sta ocean) are good games Star ocean is especially good but let me warn you ahead of time the beginning is simple at the like 3/4 part of the first disk then it gets brutal addicting but brutal. Anyone who has played knows what I mean.

TEOT's first disc was inane, they should have just skipped to the second disc and expanded it.

Not really, the first disk set the mood and really showed how the characters changed in times of danger. But I will admit disk one was a bit slow to get running, but disk one was cake disk two omg got so friggin difficult you can run into regular fights with enemies with 99,999 hp and the bosses make that pale in comparison. If you want to reply PM me I'm not shitting up this thread anymore.

well actually I would said Final fantasy 7... I loved playing Skies of arcadia... though I've never finished the game XD

Also one of the greatest RPG's Without a doubt = Knights Of The Old Republic, man the battle system and the graphics where f**king insane, so much to do as well!!! The weapons kick mega ass too. Also the storyline is great.

I found Jedi Academy much better.

Also one of the greatest RPG's Without a doubt = Knights Of The Old Republic, man the battle system and the graphics where f**king insane, so much to do as well!!! The weapons kick mega ass too. Also the storyline is great.
I agree

Im not going to mention all the final fantasys i like,because thats pointless,but i do like Kingdom Hearts,Disney Mixed with FF and an RPG game,thats just magic,i love exploring the worlds and watching the scenes of someof my favourite disney films,the gameplay is brilliant,fastpacedand controlls well and the storyline its pretty damn good,i feel sorry for thoughs who underestimate it just because of disney,i cant wait for KH2 to come out.....

I can completely agree. I was a little skeptical about it at first but fear of spending time with my family drove me to find something to do and it turns out the game is sweet.

Im not going to mention all the final fantasys i like,because thats pointless,but i do like Kingdom Hearts,Disney Mixed with FF and an RPG game,thats just magic,i love exploring the worlds and watching the scenes of someof my favourite disney films,the gameplay is brilliant,fastpacedand controlls well and the storyline its pretty damn good,i feel sorry for thoughs who underestimate it just because of disney,i cant wait for KH2 to come out.....

I can completely agree. I was a little skeptical about it at first but fear of spending time with my family drove me to find something to do and it turns out the game is sweet.

KH is like u said, magic. The entire gameplay makes it so enjoyable, it's no surprise it's got me another 120 hours of my life....

The only downfall is that the game is fairly easy to beat. I've spent 2 weeks with my family and i'm already at Hollow Bastian. I'm not sure if thats the second to last world on the map but I can't see the game going much further.

Actually it does but I won't spoil it for you.

Alrighty, I'm pretty sure teh second one has come out in the US. Dose anyone know if its any good or not. My sisters friend says it better but i just want a second opinion?

i would have to say tales of symphonia because i really liked the battle system, music, graphics and storyline

Is tales of symphonia the second kingdom hearts game. Also, what level do thing would be ideal to be on while fighting Malficients second form, the first was extremely easy. I'm on lvl 47 and she spanks me every time, i've also got the metal chocabo equiped its my strongest at 37 i think.

Is tales of symphonia the second kingdom hearts game. .

Uh no, it is a Namco RPG for Gamecube belonging to the tales series

Is tales of symphonia the second kingdom hearts game. Also, what level do thing would be ideal to be on while fighting Malficients second form, the first was extremely easy. I'm on lvl 47 and she spanks me every time, i've also got the metal chocabo equiped its my strongest at 37 i think.


Uh no, it is a Namco RPG for Gamecube belonging to the tales series

Ok i dont see how it would be the second Kingdom hearts game and BP answered the rest

Also if you don't have this for the gamecube i suggest you get it because it is a class rpg

Ok.

Ok i dont see how it would be the second Kingdom hearts game and BP answered the rest

Also if you don't have this for the gamecube i suggest you get it because it is a class rpg

Tales of symphonia is not that great. Far from a classic IMO.

Tales of symphonia is not that great. Far from a classic IMO.

I thought it was better than a few final fantasies. Why what is the problem with it?

Also i like your avatar

I thought it was better than a few final fantasies. Why what is the problem with it?

Also i like your avatar

Thanks.. I didnt like the battle system and I really didnt care for the characters or bosses. IMO there was nothing in it that was memorable. I aslo hated how you see your monsters as these ugly black blobs or whatever they are. If thats the case namco stuck to rpg formula and had random battles. But its just my opinion.

Now the questions goes the other way, what was so great about it?

Thanks.. I didnt like the battle system and I really didnt care for the characters or bosses. IMO there was nothing in it that was memorable. I aslo hated how you see your monsters as these ugly black blobs or whatever they are. If thats the case namco stuck to rpg formula and had random battles. But its just my opinion.

Now the questions goes the other way, what was so great about it?

You know i liked the battle system (i guess it is like Marmite) some of the bosses looked cool (don't tell me who they are i don't remember the names ask BP he might know) the music was good. I liked the way the story kept twisting to make you think more. I liked some of the characters like Kratos. (he was my fav) It was simpler how to get moves and the unison attack was handy when you were nearly out of TP. Fair enough they lacked on the imagination department for random enemies but it would be hard to make over 150 enemies look different.

You know i liked the battle system (i guess it is like Marmite) some of the bosses looked cool (don't tell me who they are i don't remember the names ask BP he might know) the music was good. I liked the way the story kept twisting to make you think more. I liked some of the characters like Kratos. (he was my fav) It was simpler how to get moves and the unison attack was handy when you were nearly out of TP. Fair enough they lacked on the imagination department for random enemies but it would be hard to make over 150 enemies look different.

Im not sure how many monsters FF games average but there are alot. Although some repeat from game to game. Im not saying too many monsters lacked imagination, I just didnt like the monsters you run into on the map or throughout dungeons before you get into battle. I didnt finish the game, I lost interest pretty fast. I was really excited about this game too. I was just disappointed.

Im not sure how many monsters FF games average but there are alot. Although some repeat from game to game. Im not saying too many monsters lacked imagination, I just didnt like the monsters you run into on the map or throughout dungeons before you get into battle..

Yeah i know what you mean. I hated running away from blobs. it was kinda retarded. It would have been harder to make it that you ran into the monster you were fighting you know.

Yeah i know what you mean. I hated running away from blobs. it was kinda retarded. It would have been harder to make it that you ran into the monster you were fighting you know.

Yeah thats why they should have just done the whole random battle thing. Its far from being the worse RPG. I guess my expectations were too high. I liked it much better than star ocean 3 though.

Yeah thats why they should have just done the whole random battle thing. Its far from being the worse RPG. I guess my expectations were too high. I liked it much better than star ocean 3 though.

Yeah some reason just there now i forgot about the random battle system. They should have included that that would be much better

Well ToS was memorable for me because of a number of reasons. the musical score for one, which i believed to be very inspired and the 'real time battles' which kept the pace going and is a freash change from the turn based systems that we are all familair with. Then take into account the in-game jokes, such as the collet love/sacrafice thing and it is one memorable game, If anyone does play this then they will know what it mean when I say that it has some very interesting twists near the end

Well ToS was memorable for me because of a number of reasons. the musical score for one, which i believed to be very inspired and the 'real time battles' which kept the pace going and is a freash change from the turn based systems that we are all familair with. Then take into account the in-game jokes, such as the collet love/sacrafice thing and it is one memorable game, If anyone does play this then they will know what it mean when I say that it has some very interesting twists near the end

You forgot the way that collete falls at the wrong time and something bad happens to the enemy

....Yeah. i forgot

Is tales of symphonia the second kingdom hearts game.

Once again, Seymour Guano proves that stupidity and ignorance is indeed infinite.

On Topic : While I may be a hardcore fan of the Tales series, I'd say that Symphonia is the "FF7" of the series ; So grossly overrated, it's not funny. The 3-D nature of the game made for a nice change and the way attacks chain is quite interesting, but aside from that, there's nothing revolutionary about the game. I'd easily pick earlier released titles Eternia or Destiny 2 over Symphonia. Especially Destiny 2, the Trust and Tactical LBS really did wonders in balancing out the gameplay by limiting the amount of attacks the player can carry out in one go, that means less cheap combos to be exploited. (Spirit Gauge, Max TP variable to position in battle, guard strike etc)

Once again, Seymour Guano proves that stupidity and ignorance is indeed infinite.

On Topic : While I may be a hardcore fan of the Tales series, I'd say that Symphonia is the "FF7" of the series ; So grossly overrated, it's not funny. The 3-D nature of the game made for a nice change and the way attacks chain is quite interesting, but aside from that, there's nothing revolutionary about the game. I'd easily pick earlier released titles Eternia or Destiny 2 over Symphonia. Especially Destiny 2, the Trust and Tactical LBS really did wonders in balancing out the gameplay by limiting the amount of attacks the player can carry out in one go, that means less cheap combos to be exploited. (Spirit Gauge, Max TP variable to position in battle, guard strike etc)

LOL Seymour does prove that doesn't he.
I didn't really like the Eternity game and i haven't seen the other games in any shop sadly

I thought thats what they might of called the second one. I don't keep up with every video game that comes out so sorry if I made a mistake.

well they called the second one chain of memories and if you are thinking of kingdom of hearts 2 it does not have an additional name

I didn't know that, I just started playing the first one.

well now you know

well they called the second one chain of memories and if you are thinking of kingdom of hearts 2 it does not have an additional name

Kigdom of hearts ROFL

Kigdom of hearts ROFL
i keep getting that wrong damn

You know, I've yet to play any Tales of game, but I really want to play Destiny and Destiny 2, since I've heard so much good about them.

Anyways, best RPG I've played. =\ Well Disgaea is easily the best SRPG I've ever played (and although I haven't played the sequel yet, I hear it's actually better than the first). But not taking into account the Strategy RPGs like that, I'd prolly have to say Valkyrie Profile or Growlanser 2 are my favorite RPGs. Oh! Ogre Battle 64 also holds a special place in my heart. ^_^

You know, I've yet to play any Tales of game, but I really want to play Destiny and Destiny 2, since I've heard so much good about them.

Anyways, best RPG I've played. =\ Well Disgaea is easily the best SRPG I've ever played (and although I haven't played the sequel yet, I hear it's actually better than the first). But not taking into account the Strategy RPGs like that, I'd prolly have to say Valkyrie Profile or Growlanser 2 are my favorite RPGs. Oh! Ogre Battle 64 also holds a special place in my heart. ^_^

I absolutley LOVE!!!!!!!!!! DISGAEA!!!!!!!!!!!!! classic game!!!!!!!!!! Ive always wanted Ogre battle for 64, is it really good?

The best rpg I played must been... Either Star Ocean The Second Story or Vandal Hearts 2... Vandal Hearts 2 was the first rpg game I bought ^___^ And I still play it today, and Star Ocean is just a kickass game xD! And of course there is Shadow Hearts and Final Fantasy ^__^

Star Ocean 2 probably blows most, if not all the FF's out of the water.

Star Ocean 2 probably blows most, if not all the FF's out of the water.

Quoted for absolute truth.

For myself, I'll have to do it by concoles and platforms:
GBA - Shining Force: Ressurection of the Dark Dragon (I want a remake of Shining Force II dammit!), loved the gameplay and the story and all the extra characters you could get. I've replayed it a few times just to have a go at getting the secret characters and cards.

SNES (emulated) - Star Ocean and Tales of Phantasia. Both of these had beautiful graphics and sound, and I liked their stories. Additionally I like the mutiple paths that Star Ocean's story would take, depending upon which characters you had join you.

Gamecube - X-Men Legends II (its an action-RPG isn't it?). I liked the gameplay and the choice of powers and skills for most of the characters. The storyline was a bit repetitive in some places, but the replay value in the Danger Room missions, hidden characters and dialogue changes (depending upon which characters are in your team / you are controlling) was worth it.

PC - Vampire: The Masquerade - Redemption. This was the first 3D rpg I ever played and it was brilliant. I played this for years, when I was at University, because of the multi-player and only recently stopped, because I can't find the CD's to put it on my new computer.

The best RPG i've played is:

1. SNES: Lufia 2 ---> This game absolutely cool n i'm really like the stories coz the stories so touched me...

2. PSX: Star Ocean 2 n FF7 ----> I've played this game till have all the missions, extras, n all secrets are revealed!!

3. PS2: Grandia 3 ----> the game play, the theme song, the battle system and all of the aspec on this game is very very great... :)

*Chrono Trigger (SNES)
*Breath Of Fire I & II (SNES)
*Terranigma (SNES)
*Adventures Of Alundra (PSX)

I want to play 'Star Ocean' on SNES but my emulator hasn't got the virtual chip requirement for the ROM. :(

Now seriously what console has better RPGs, SNES or Ps1?

PS1

Super NES. Bless Nintendo.

Snes was the birth of most rpgs, but ps1 rpgs was the product of raping their superior ability in graphics and sound, so meh.

2. PSX: Star Ocean 2 n FF7 ----> I've played this game till have all the missions, extras, n all secrets are revealed!!

Mentioning SO2 and FFVII in the same sentence like that is a crime.

PSX - Grandia\FFIX, brilliant games, I loved the mana egg system and got really drawn into the story in Grandia. FFIX was really simple, great characters, and a joy to play.

PS2 - Dark Chronicle\FFX, I loved the combat system and photo system in Dark Chronicle, and the story and characters in FFX.

PC - Planescape: Torment, my favourite RPG ever. So much depth, crazy characters, plotline was fantastic, world was *fully* realised. So much subquests, actually entertaining just to explore. Combat wasn't perfect, but dialouge system was excellent.

PS:T wins.

FFVII and ToS. both are awesome rpg's.

other than ff... breath of fire and legend of mana.
LoM was such an underratted game.. Who else thinks it rocks their left sock?!

...oh and Final fantasy 7 and 8 hands downas the best ff's. 7 for story and 8 for squall, he is so cool....

...oh and Final fantasy 7 and 8 hands downas the best ff's. 7 for story and 8 for squall, he is so cool....

/me snickers quietly, suppressing the loud belly laugh, at least for now.

Mine have got to be Kingdom Hearts and Dark Chronicle

Legend of Dragoon on Ps1 was pretty damn good. not my fave but it deserves a mention if someone hasnt already.

one of my bst rpg's as to be...baldur's gate all of them are pretty cool.

Legend of the Dragoon blows every FF out of the water

Legend of the Dragoon blows every FF out of the water

Am I allowed to snicker at this? I don't even like LoD, but I can at least get the name right. Anyway, I couldn't even play all the way through the game--I can't even say that much about FFVIII.

Legend of the Dragoon blows every FF out of the water


It was a good game but FF9 can easily be considered a better game than legend of dragoon.

It was a good game but FF9 can easily be considered a better game than legend of dragoon.

I would consider FFVII better, too. And we all know how I feel about that game.

I would consider FFVII better, too. And we all know how I feel about that game.

Sins and blasphemy 100 yeas of hell for you. As far as iceburg I have got to play 9 honestly. So many people declare it the best FF by far.

FF6 blows every other FF game out of the water. :P

FF6 blows every other FF game out of the water. :P

FF6 blows every other FF game out of the water, except for FF9, which is really ace. :P

Fix'd. :smrt: