danielnrg
05-05-2018, 04:23 AM
I know a lot of you wanted ultimate edition scores for Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith. I do too. We obviously haven't gotten that, but we do have new music in the ROTS remastered soundtrack that released today.

I can confirm through listening to the album that they used a different recording than they used for the original 2005 release for AT LEAST one song. That song is Anakin's Dark Deeds. Give that song a listen if you have a streaming subscription or have the CD. I guarantee that anyone who has familiarity with the original soundtrack release will recognize that this is a different recording. I am not saying they re-recorded it for this album, but it is an alternate. You may have even heard it in complete score fan collections, and I have this version in my The Force Unleashed music files. 100% different from the original release.

There are other songs that I am 99% sure are different recordings, but cannot be completely sure. The songs I think are different are Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith (the first track), Palpatine's Teachings, and Anakin vs Obi-Wan. For the first track, I noticed that the heavy percussion used in the film version appears to show up at around 1:15 (after the opening title crawl music). Comparing this track with the 2005 version, this is one I am very confident is a new recording. The old version sounds nothing like this, and this version actually sounds a lot closer to Boys Into Battle which can be created by editing files from The Old Republic. It doesn't sound exactly like that version, but it is most likely not the 2005 version. The 2005 version does not have such heavy drums, and the drums that are used are not done in constant rhythm like they are in this new version.
EDIT: Listening to the song further, I have more evidence that this song is a different recording. At 1:54 (better to start at 1:50) there is a horn hit in the 2005 version that is absent in the remaster.

For Palpatine's Teachings, aside from the vocals hitting so much clearer (which could be the remaster), the song starts with a clearly audible, full inhale by the male choir. It is the very first thing you hear when playing the song. Compared to the 2005 version, you only hear the tail end of the inhale, and it is much quieter. Not much difference other than that, aside from the immediately apparent clarity of the vocals.

For Anakin vs Obi-Wan, it again sounds closer to the film version with heavy percussion at 0:35. This is not as easy to determine if it is a different recording as the first track, as listening to the 2005 version it appears the drums may be present, but significantly quieter. They could have re-mixed the track to make the already-present bass drums louder.

So there we have it. There is at least one piece of previously-unreleased music in this new remaster. Personally I always liked the alternate version of Anakin's Dark Deeds better than what was heard in the film or original album (both are different), so this is a major plus for me. After hearing Anakin vs Obi-Wan and the first track, I thought maybe Enter Lord Vader may have been changed to the film version, but unfortunately this is not the case. Still, I am extremely happy and surprised not only at the new music, but also the clarity and quality of this remaster compared to the original release. I had no idea soundtracks that came out less than 20 years ago could be improved so noticeably.

Let me know what you think of the new remaster for the prequels, as well as the different recordings used in the ROTS remaster. I will quickly touch on the OT remasters. The long story short is that ANH and TESB are either worse than previous releases or downright abhorrent. No track on either album is better than the Anthology, and therefore that remains my release of choice. The Battle In The Snow in particular is worse than anything on the ANH or TESB Special Edition releases, and may be almost as bad if not worse than the ROTJ Special Edition release. I really don't know what the hell they were thinking. The one exception to this is The Imperial March. I can definitively say that, in my opinion, this is the best-sounding version of this track from any release. Very well done. On another positive note, the ROTJ remaster was exceptionally well-done. I frequently found myself enjoying tracks on that album more than the Anthology, and the tracks appear to have more clarity. It would appear that the quality issues of the Special Edition releases (ROTJ sounding the worst, TESB being second, and ANH being somewhat passable) have simply been reversed for this time around. I don't know how I feel about that. I will say that I strongly recommend not purchasing the ANH and TESB remasters (if you're buying them outright instead of streaming).

Well, that's it for me. I am currently feeling a mix of strong positive and negative emotions in response to these remastered albums as a whole. Let me know what you think.

PeterJJ
05-05-2018, 06:27 AM
they sound different because they didn't just "remaster" the old album masters but went back to the original film recordings and "recreated" the album tracks from these sessions

danielnrg
05-05-2018, 08:43 AM
they sound different because they didn't just "remaster" the old album masters but went back to the original film recordings and "recreated" the album tracks from these sessions

The version of Anakin's Dark Deeds present on the new album isn't the version used in the film, though. In fact, I'm pretty sure the old album doesn't use the film version either.

ggctuk2005
05-05-2018, 09:19 AM
The Revenge of the Sith release uses the 'correct' mixes (a term I use fairly loosely as I will explain afterward) for the following pieces:

-Main Title And The Battle Over Coruscant (the Boys Into Battle segment)
-Anakin's Dark Deeds (the Anakin's Dark Deeds segment uses the exact same percussion as the video games - the film and original albums omit some of the percussion and the album mixes it quieter)
-Anakin Vs. Obi-Wan

I might mention that for Revenge of the Sith, they recorded the percussion separate from the orchestra and then layered it over. The OST uses a wider take assembly than the film, and this new remaster appears to just go with a single take for each cue. The editing in some cases is quite sloppy and rushed: that transition between the Boys Into Battle segment into the They're Coming Around segment is really poor - it just fades too early.


song

Urgh....

gururu
05-05-2018, 04:20 PM
song

Urgh....

I feel your pain. One might be given to think the OP has been listening to Revenge of the Sith: The Musical.

ggctuk2005
05-05-2018, 04:33 PM
I feel your pain. One might be given to think the OP has been listening to Revenge of the Sith: The Musical.

Don't give Disney any ideas!

gururu
05-05-2018, 05:18 PM
Don't give Disney any ideas!

I don't know what makes my eyes and ears bleed most. This:

Dance-Off With the Star Wars Stars 2013 finale medley with Gangnam Style, Taylor Swift (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMFgKtcT3zE),

or the notorious Star Wars Holiday Special.

Killgrave
05-05-2018, 05:25 PM
Star Wars? Taylor Swift? Glad I didn't see that one. Don't think I could unsee it.

Can't say the same thing for the Holiday Special. That one is permanently burned into my retina.

Lady Amalthea
05-05-2018, 05:41 PM
I don't know what makes my eyes and ears bleed most. This:

Dance-Off With the Star Wars Stars 2013 finale medley with Gangnam Style, Taylor Swift (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMFgKtcT3zE),

or the notorious Star Wars Holiday Special.

OMG, that's hilarious!

How does anyone come up with such a crazy idea?

Thanks for making me laugh! :laugh:

ROKUSHO
05-06-2018, 07:50 AM
all i wanna know is, will we ever have grievous theme from the clone wars animated cartoon? it was also available on the ds version of the game (and probably the ps2/xbox game, but never played those versions).

that theme shits all over the theme from the movies. its awesome, its scary and its fastpaced.

danielnrg
05-06-2018, 09:25 AM
I feel your pain. One might be given to think the OP has been listening to Revenge of the Sith: The Musical.

I didn't want to seem repetitive by saying "track" every time. I guess "piece" would have worked better too. Though to be fair, this semantic difference is only in what words we score listeners typically use for referring to score music. A "song" does not have to have words for it to be referred to as such.

ggctuk2005
05-06-2018, 04:49 PM
Not intending to pick, but the definition of song is literally a short poem or set of words set to music. I think 'track' would have been appropriate.

gururu
05-06-2018, 05:55 PM
A "song" does not have to have words for it to be referred to as such.

In which dictionary, might I ask? For instance…
(https://imgur.com/A5lN7Ux)
vs.
(https://imgur.com/fj4ZhxM)

Their meanings are quite explicit, wouldn't you say? The difference of intent between the two starkly obvious; so hardly a slight semantic difference (substitute the noun instrumental for the adjective orchestral if you wish). What, pray tell, does Wikipedia have to say on the subject of songs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Song)?

I realize I'm coming across as quite pedantic, but I would no more refer to orchestral works/instrumentals as songs than I would refer to dogs as cats (or vice versa) just because they both fall under the classification of household pet, viz. songs and symphonies being distinct examples of genres of music.

In the end, just ask yourself this: would John Williams himself refer to "Anakin vs Obi-Wan", as a song? The answer, of course, is no. Would Beethoven have referred to any of the movements that constitute his 3rd symphony as individual songs? Certainly not!

I swear I'm not related to tangotreats. ;)

A song, "Das himmlische Leben", which forms the backbone of a symphonic movement: IV. Sehr behaglich (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpTOgWnlIH0) from Mahler's 4th symphony.

Cameron007
05-11-2018, 03:18 AM
I actually thought ANH sounded pretty good.

ROKUSHO
05-11-2018, 09:42 AM
while i agree that on paper song and "track" (i say theme) are the same, the general public use those words to differentiate the two.

Giveall96
01-21-2019, 08:02 PM
Well, I use "composition" for that...