I decided to make my own album for KOTOR2. This is not an expanded score; I took all of the source material that's publicly available, re-created all of the individual cues, and edited them together to create a 'traditional' album presentation that includes 21 tracks. I then attempted to brighten-up the sound a little bit. I did not include any cinematic music, as I didn't want there to be any sfx in this album. I also didn't include any repeated music. I'm also working on a KOTOR 1 edit which will include previously-unreleased music.

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https://mega.nz/#!Q5YzHCpR!LnXXoFeBRhua1CzY5Nv_ahVae6-lN8XdlI3NYzQWYig
Password: FSM_kotor2-v1

I also uploaded the full soundtrack to YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zao3AS6Jpn4

I would like to have a link please. thank you.

From what I can see there is significant cut off across the board ~16kHz for every track. No sure where you sourced your files from, but no amount of remastering can make a non lossless music file lossless. Even scaling it up to 24bit/96kHz. Also fails lossless audio checker.

Lossless Audio Checker Results


Spectro Analysis

lien upload please !

From what I can see there is significant cut off across the board ~16kHz for every track. No sure where you sourced your files from, but no amount of remastering can make a non lossless music file lossless. Even scaling it up to 24bit/96kHz. Also fails lossless audio checker.

Lossless Audio Checker Results


Spectro Analysis



game file lossy, no official OST, so having not lossless source.

thinking lossless keep quality good for remaster as possible?

I never said it was lossless, as lossless files for the game's music don't even exist. I simply attempted to 'brighten' the sound a bit. Upsampling was simply so that I did not lose quality while editing. The main idea for this release was to combine and re-edit the tracks in order to create a more presentable album than what's been previously available online for KOTOR 2.

I never said it was lossless, as lossless files for the game's music don't even exist. I simply attempted to 'brighten' the sound a bit. Upsampling was simply so that I did not lose quality while editing. The main idea for this release was to combine and re-edit the tracks in order to create a more presentable album than what's been previously available online for KOTOR 2.

Well you may have never explicitly stated that it was in lossless. But using a lossless file format implies that they are. There is no reason at all to bloat lossy files to such a degree when editing or "remastering". Even if that is your preferred method of doing things when you are working. There is also no reason not to reduce the file sizes back to normal lossy levels when you are done. You are only wasting yours and others' bandwidth by providing arbitrarily bloated files.

Flac is simply the most used audio format now, so I would rather export my files in flac than keep them in lossy MP3 and lose quality along the way while editing. It sounds decent, and that's enough for me personally. And if bandwidth is an issue for you, then feel free not to download it. I don't know anyone that still uses DSL or has limited bandwidth. I do get what you're saying though, and I removed emphasis on format from my description as to not seem misleading, as that wasn't my intention.

Flac is simply the most used audio format now, so I would rather export my files in flac than keep them in lossy MP3 and lose quality along the way while editing. It sounds decent, and that's enough for me personally. And if bandwidth is an issue for you, then feel free not to download it. I don't know anyone that still uses DSL or has limited bandwidth. I do get what you're saying though, and I removed emphasis on format from my description as to not seem misleading, as that wasn't my intention.

Even if FLAC is the "most common" format used it doesn't mean that it should be used in every case. FLAC isn't just some format used to house any audio file. It is a format designed to specifically preserve lossless audio files in a compressed state. Placing lossy MP3 files into a FLAC format does nothing but balloon the size of your file without adding any sort of quality. You are literally wasting hard drive space, especially by making it 24bit and 96kHz.

Well if the size is too big then people don't have to download it. I have 12+ TB of disk space, so it doesn't affect me personally.

Well if the size is too big then people don't have to download it. I have 12+ TB of disk space, so it doesn't affect me personally.

The size is arbitrary and makes no sense. You are more than welcome to fill up your computer with as much bloated music files as you please. I am just posting this information here for people to see that the files are unnecessarily large for no reason. It would be like making a low resolution photograph 4k/8k. Is there more actual resolution and clarity in the photo? Absolutely not, but at least the file takes up 10x the space now for no reason.

Link has been updated. Files are now in MP3.

lossy->edit->lossy worse quality for than lossy->edit->lossless. bigger size but losing not quality twice.
having flac version already, so thank many share FSM!

Link has been updated. Files are now in MP3.

You can provide both to those who who would rather have the FLAC files. No need to remove access, just stating that it is overkill and totally pointless.


lossy->edit->lossy worse quality for than lossy->edit->lossless. bigger size but losing not quality twice.
having flac version already, so thank many share FSM!

That's not how audio engineering works. Higher quality > lower quality always preserves quality. Lower quality > higher quality does absolutely nothing, unless you are re-engineering the music from the ground up without using any of the source material. Otherwise you are just creating edits that are higher quality than the source material to make up for the extra kHz and bits you are wanting to make. Even with doing that when you convert the lossy file to the lossless file you are bloating the original source material to a ridiculous degree. FLAC does not distinguish between what is lossy and what is in your lossless edits. It will treat the entire file the same bloating it up to the size it would be if it were truly lossless.

Thanks!

Laetteralus is wrong (and not very appreciative of your efforts if I may say so).
Zeratul13 is right.

Thanks FilmScoreMedia, and stick to your guns!

Thanks a lot! It's a very nice OST to hear while reading some SW comics and novels :)

thx

I'm also working on a KOTOR 1 edit which will include previously-unreleased music

Many thanks for the OST, well done.

How is ur work on kotor 1 OST procide?

Thank you for sharing!

Laetteralus is wrong (and not very appreciative of your efforts if I may say so).
Zeratul13 is right.

Thanks FilmScoreMedia, and stick to your guns!

Laetteralus is not wrong. He is providing several well detailed points as to how FSM had made a mistake. There is no point sticking to your guns when all the evidence in the world says you fucked up.

There is nothing wrong with fucking up.

There is plenty wrong with fucking up and doing nothing to fix it.

Excellent work, thank you. It's a pity that the FLAC version is gone

Excellent work, thank you. It's a pity that the FLAC version is gone

There was no point in the FLAC version. The version available is literally the same exact music just not blown up to a huge degree for no reason.

I am working on an alternate version that will be available in FLAC soon. MP3 link will stay the same. That way there's something for everyone, depending on your preferred audio format.

There was no point in the FLAC version. The version available is literally the same exact music just not blown up to a huge degree for no reason.

Zeratul13 already explained why there was a point. But let me clarify it for you through a simple analogy:


Let's take the audio spectrum image from an earlier post



and compress it to JPEG (lossy):



Note how the fine details of the spectrum are blurred due to compression. (You may need to download both images and cycle between them to see the difference)

Now let's open this JPEG file in any image editor and change something in the picture.
I just drew a couple of red circles using MS Paint. Then I saved the file in PNG (lossless compression) and uploaded here:



But before closing Paint, I also saved the edited image in JPEG. Here is the result:



You may notice that the quality has deteriorated further (especially in circled areas, but in other parts as well).

The new PNG file is 185 KB in size, but apart from the edits it looks identical to the 2nd image.
The new JPEG file is only 34 KB in size, but looks a bit worse.
Both files were obtained after editing a lossy source.

Exactly the same happens with audio, where JPEG is mp3 and PNG is FLAC.
When you edit an mp3 source and save the result back in mp3, you can't avoid recompression and further loss of quality.
When you save the result in FLAC, you keep all losses which were in the source but avoid further degradation. Files are bigger, but well.. beggars choosers

After reading this thread I felt somebody had to support the OP. Hope this helps.

Zeratul13 already explained why there was a point. But let me clarify it for you through a simple analogy:


Let's take the audio spectrum image from an earlier post



and compress it to JPEG (lossy):



Note how the fine details of the spectrum are blurred due to compression. (You may need to download both images and cycle between them to see the difference)

Now let's open this JPEG file in any image editor and change something in the picture.
I just drew a couple of red circles using MS Paint. Then I saved the file in PNG (lossless compression) and uploaded here:



But before closing Paint, I also saved the edited image in JPEG. Here is the result:



You may notice that the quality has deteriorated further (especially in circled areas, but in other parts as well).

The new PNG file is 185 KB in size, but apart from the edits it looks identical to the 2nd image.
The new JPEG file is only 34 KB in size, but looks a bit worse.
Both files were obtained after editing a lossy source.

Exactly the same happens with audio, where JPEG is mp3 and PNG is FLAC.
When you edit an mp3 source and save the result back in mp3, you can't avoid recompression and further loss of quality.
When you save the result in FLAC, you keep all losses which were in the source but avoid further degradation. Files are bigger, but well.. beggars choosers

After reading this thread I felt somebody had to support the OP. Hope this helps.

Okay..... not even attempting to analyze these mental gymnastics.

Your choice. Just send me a PM if you wish to discuss it further (let's not spam this thread).

The link is broken. Can someone re-up?