Aeris's death, by many, is viewed to be pointless for reasons shown in the "i. Pointless" section of the "Holy and Meteor" page because Holy inevitably failed. However, Holy's assistance of the meteor was completely intentional, therefore, it did not fail. As said, Sephiroth was subjected to Lifestream years before, and potentially learned the knowledge the Ancient's held, if not the knowledge of the Planet itself. Therefore, Sephiroth knew not only how Holy could be summoned (Not only by prayer of its wielder, but the sacrifice of the person seeking to use Holy), but also what its potential intention was. It could be that, like any other Summon in the Final Fantasy VII world, Holy is it's own separate entity constructed by the Cetra in times of desperation to choose what is the best course to save the planet from death. If Sephiroth knew this, it is plausible that Sephiroth also knew that Holy would choose to destroy the very thing that had been draining and killing the Planet for years by using its Lifestream as a source of electrical energy, humans (especially those inhabiting Midgar, which is also why it might have been hardest hit when Meteor and Holy came close to collision).The Planet could easily heal itself overtime from another scar such as the Northern Crater, but if the Lifestream were to be wasted by humans using it for electricity, it would, not only be unable to heal itself, but unable to live. I believe that Sephiroth killed Aeris to complete the summoning of Holy, because he knew that Holy would actually choose to assist the destruction of human life (In which, Holy as an entity would believe that if this was done, there would be more of the Lifestream available to heal the planet after the collision, therefore the most logical decision) rather than destroy Meteor. Therefore, Aeris's death was not pointless, but one of the keypoints in the game.

I also believe that, throughout the game, Sephiroth's will or psyche was not "[holding] back Holy" as theorized in the "Sephiroth" section...he was constraining the Lifestream. Why I believe this is because when Cloud finally defeats Sephiroth within his mind for supremacy of his body, the Lifestream, at the last few seconds before annihilation, suddenly emerges to destroy Meteor, as if it were finally free to choose to defend itself. As long as Sephiroth's intense will was still in existence outside of his inanimate body (and also having partly assimilated into the consciousness of the Lifestream when he fell into it during the Nibelheim incident, yet remained separate), he would be able to restrain or strongly influence the Lifestream. Now, a good question would be why would the Lifestream choose to defend human life when Holy did not? The Lifestream, as explained by Bugenhagen in the game, is said to be the "spirit", or consciousness of life on the Planet. If so, the Lifestream is the consciousness and probably the will of the Ancients (Cetra) that were wiped out and returned to the planet, and other lifeforms within the cycle of returning to the planet and being reborn. It would make sense that, in such a crisis, the consciousness or will of these beings would not favor to destroy the existing lifeforms on the planet, but save them. Besides, Midgar (seemingly the source of the Mako-use problem for the Planet) had been irrepairably damaged by the time the Lifestream acted anyway.

Anyway, those are my thoughts on the subject. Please respond with input.

Input

U r sick, better go and play FFdawn of souls

RedXIII said "Holy is having the opposite effect." It might just be me, but I can't interperet that as "Holy is working, but it wants to destroy humans." He said it was the opposite effect, not that its intended effect was to help Meteor. Meteor was threatening the planet; it was certain that Holy intended to do so. I believe that holy had just responded too late and couldn't stop meteor, so the planet saved itself with the lifestream. I think that Sephiroth intended to absorb all of the spirit energy from the lifestream when this happened, but he was kind of dead at this point.

P.S. Dawn of Souls is wayyyy easier than the original FFI and FFII, so try and get emulators of those first.

RedXIII said "Holy is having the opposite effect." It might just be me, but I can't interperet that as "Holy is working, but it wants to destroy humans." He said it was the opposite effect, not that its intended effect was to help Meteor. Meteor was threatening the planet; it was certain that Holy intended to do so. I believe that holy had just responded too late and couldn't stop meteor, so the planet saved itself with the lifestream. I think that Sephiroth intended to absorb all of the spirit energy from the lifestream when this happened, but he was kind of dead at this point.

P.S. Dawn of Souls is wayyyy easier than the original FFI and FFII, so try and get emulators of those first.

See, what I think, and pretty much know, that the power of Meteor was overpowering Holy. Holy wasn't strong enough by itself to destroy Meteor. But, when Aeris summoned Lifestream, it gave Holy an edge and helped strengthen the power against Meteor. RedXIII said, "having the opposite effect", making it so that Meteor countered the effect of Holy.

To me, Aeris death was not pointless whatsoever. If Aeris didn't die, Lifestream would not have been summoned and the world would end in the blink of an eye. And, Aeris was still alive, in spirit, guiding Cloud's instinct during the rest of the game. You may not have seen her, except for the ghost in the church, but she was there, in Cloud's memory, motivating him.

That is my opinion.

Eh, I try not to think too hard about Holy and that. Her death was just meant to make me sad. =(

wow wut profound thought. i wish i could put together such a thing, but i cant so... I just think that Meteor was summoned to destroy the planet and holy was supposed to stop this but it had, "...the opposite effect." causing it to give meteor more power instead of stopping it but the will of all those in the life stream together with the power of the planet caused the life stream to act on its own and stop meteor from doing any more damage.

Look. She was murdered. Thats it. Sephiroth killed her. I wouldnt go into it in that much depth.

Wow!!! You put a lot of thought into this!!!
Too much Information!!! BRAIN OVERLOAD!!!:eye:

OMFG! Another *theory*! If SE wanted us to do this, wouldn't they have an official forum for it. Sorry, I just hate people who think too much

Aerith's death was not unneccessary. Thanks to her, the planet was saved. She gave her life away so that Holy could be summoned and the world saved. That's it. Her death wasn't pointless.

As for that theory of yours, Sakabatou, it's very interesting indeed. I might look further into it and see with what I come up with. I gave that subject a lot of thought as well, and your thoughts about the whole thing are pretty interesting.
It's going to be pretty fun for me looking into this. Thanks for giving my life a sense. ^_^

OMFG! Another *theory*! If SE wanted us to do this, wouldn't they have an official forum for it. Sorry, I just hate people who think too much

i dont think too much, just enough to do life's daily processes...barely...did i just say processes? only a robot would use that word....Oh no...NOOOOOOOOOOO...*runs off screaming*

why would there be a rumor when you saw her dieing in front of your eyes? can you not accept that she died? it is over she died and that's that jeez it's a game

OMFG! Another *theory*! If SE wanted us to do this, wouldn't they have an official forum for it. Sorry, I just hate people who think too much

what do you mean if SE WANTED us to do this???

anyway...your weird....you hate a human being for having a theory about something like this...@[email protected] almost as weird as some one hating jesus...i mean..i'm not christian..but i don't HATE him..

anyway...don't listen to the crazy ultimate finalfantasy fan...@_@
this theory makes lots of sense, but i do believe that aries death was NOT useless, like others have said before, it summoned the lifestream.

The main thing i agree with you about is that, when RedXII says its the "opposite effect" that does not mean it didn't work, that means its doing the opposite of what it should be doing, and the opposite of protecting the planet, would be protecting meteor. and thats that.

and it does make sense in the end, being earth could survive meteor, but it couldn't survive humans...if it kept them on the planet, sucking up the life stream and all.

this is also true. wen you think about it, real life is just like that. We're destroying the planet. I'm gonna go tell my mother!!!!!

[QUOTE=sakabatou]Aeris's death, by many, is viewed to be pointless for reasons shown in the "i. Pointless" section of the "Holy and Meteor" page because Holy inevitably failed. However, Holy's assistance of the meteor was completely intentional, therefore, it did not fail. As said, Sephiroth was subjected to Lifestream years before, and potentially learned the knowledge the Ancient's held, if not the knowledge of the Planet itself. Therefore, Sephiroth knew not only how Holy could be summoned (Not only by prayer of its wielder, but the sacrifice of the person seeking to use Holy), but also what its potential intention was. It could be that, like any other Summon in the Final Fantasy VII world, Holy is it's own separate entity constructed by the Cetra in times of desperation to choose what is the best course to save the planet from death. If Sephiroth knew this, it is plausible that Sephiroth also knew that Holy would choose to destroy the very thing that had been draining and killing the Planet for years by using its Lifestream as a source of electrical energy, humans (especially those inhabiting Midgar, which is also why it might have been hardest hit when Meteor and Holy came close to collision).The Planet could easily heal itself overtime from another scar such as the Northern Crater, but if the Lifestream were to be wasted by humans using it for electricity, it would, not only be unable to heal itself, but unable to live. I believe that Sephiroth killed Aeris to complete the summoning of Holy, because he knew that Holy would actually choose to assist the destruction of human life (In which, Holy as an entity would believe that if this was done, there would be more of the Lifestream available to heal the planet after the collision, therefore the most logical decision) rather than destroy Meteor. Therefore, Aeris's death was not pointless, but one of the keypoints in the game.[QUOTE=sakabatou]

Well, I gave a lot of thought to this one and here's what I came up with. Sakabatou's theory above is good and I see that he did a lot of thinking. But this theory is wrong, I believe. And here's why.

First of all, Weapons were released in response to the summoning of Meteor. The goal of the Weapons was to kill all living things and create enough Spirit Energy (A.K.A. Lifestream) so that the planet could heal the wound Meteor would inflict. But Holy emerged to destroy Meteor so to save humans from being killed by the Weapons - because if Meteor were to be destroyed, then there would be no wound on the planet, and there would also be no reason for the Weapons to kill all humans on the planet - because no Spirit Energy would be needed. It is exactly for this reason why Holy definetly DID NOT assist Meteor in destroying the panet, as Sakabatou said above. However, Holy wasn't powerful enough so the Lifestream helped out.

So therefor we conclude - If Meteor crashed, Weapons would kill all humans to create enough energy to heal the wound, Holy did not want this to happen, and tried to stop Meteor to save human life. Because there was no reason in killing so much people if there was a chance to stop Meteor.

So, there you have it. Sakabatou's theory is really good, if not excellent, but it's wrong as far as I see it. But, anyway, good thinking, Sakabatou ^_^

good one, you put alot of thought into that and my head is now spinning.

I personally felt that when RedXIII said that holy was having the opposite affect i thought that meant holy was repelling from the earth, Because he just finished saying that meteor was coming down onto the earth while holy was having the opposite affect. now im not sure, but thats what i think.

OMFG! Another *theory*! If SE wanted us to do this, wouldn't they have an official forum for it. Sorry, I just hate people who think too much
That is why you will never achieve anything great with your life. Im not saying that i am...but if you dont like people that think to much...jus stop using your computer right now....and while your at that...stop using light bulbs....and get outta yur house...and stop wearing your clothing....and...well...ya you get the point...cuz the people who created these things put WAY MORE thought into it than these people are with this game. And people that think way to much are the people creating cures for diseases such as cancer AIDS, and the like...jus cool off a lil man

I don't think it really matters, because anyone who waits after the credits see that holy worked so. This is pointless.

i loved aeris, sounds silly but you get attached to her, i used her all the time in battles and when she died it made me really sad, i cant accept it either that she cant be brought back, hopefully it will be all cleared up in advent children. i hope she does come back, her death was sad but not pointless. belive me i wouldnt want anything more than for aeris to come back, but she had to go to help the planet stay alive, maybe she was one of those trees or flowers in midgar. i think that was all the lifestream coming back. well who knows but thats how i feel

I don't think it really matters, because anyone who waits after the credits see that holy worked so. This is pointless.

well...actually, if you watch the ending CGI...you'll see that lifestream is the one that saved the planet...not holy...or maybe it merged with holy...or somptin...i dont really have any ideas of what really happened...the only thing i know is that lifestream is the main thing that helped the planet

i loved aeris, sounds silly but you get attached to her, i used her all the time in battles and when she died it made me really sad, i cant accept it either that she cant be brought back, hopefully it will be all cleared up in advent children. i hope she does come back, her death was sad but not pointless. belive me i wouldnt want anything more than for aeris to come back, but she had to go to help the planet stay alive, maybe she was one of those trees or flowers in midgar. i think that was all the lifestream coming back. well who knows but thats how i feel

Hell, I almost cried when Aerith died. And I'm a guy!! Everyone says gus don't cry, but I ALMOST cried. Her death was sad. I hope to everything will be cleared in AC. I can't wait. ^_^

METEOR SHOULD HAVE NEVER EXISTED >:O

I H8 the fact that Aeris dies. SquareSoft should have also put in a status change called VERY PISSED OFF that u get when Aeris dies that makes u have infinite limits, limitless accuracy, and infinite summons and mp

Hey, Sephy vs. Cloud, am I also one of your enemies, because I don't see my name in your sig under known friends or known enemies? ^_^

yes he will kill you now
mwahahahahahahahahahahahaha
by the way, Sv.C, that would make it kinda lame,wouldn't it?

Hey, Sephy vs. Cloud, am I also one of your enemies, because I don't see my name in your sig under known friends or known enemies? ^_^
no ur not


Look. She was murdered. Thats it. Sephiroth killed her. I wouldnt go into it in that much depth.
that is exactly y i pulled out my BEST character on IT (notice im calling sephiroth (left intentionally lowercase) IT) who was at lvl 99 with best materia there is in the game

i dont think she is dead

Well, she's dead physicaly, but she lives on in a spiritual sense.

i think cloud is going to find a way to save her and return her to hher normal self

can't be done. nope, dead is dead and sad to say but her soul continues to walk the earth just watchin her own murder reoccur. i know, it sucks, but she gave up her life so you could woop Sepphy's ass, live wit it