Come on, Bart... oh, I mean Santa, we all know what's in your magic bag. Be cool, bring it on, man!
We just need all those fights about it being disappointing and not nearly as great as Williams' scores.

HO HO HO ! For now i have only tracklist ! xd

duration - 01:09:28

He’s Here For Us
A Long Ride Ahead
Wobani Imperial Labor Camp
Trust Goes Both Ways
When Has Become Now
Jedha Arrival
Jedha City Ambush
Star-Dust
Confrontation on Eadu
Krennic’s Aspirations
Rebellions Are Built on Hope
Rogue One
Cargo Shuttle SW-0608
Scrambling the Rebel Fleet
AT-ACT Assault
The Master Switch
Your Father Would Be Proud
Hope
Jyn Erso & Hope Suite
The Imperial Suite
Guardians of the Whills Suite

We just need all those fights about it being disappointing and not nearly as great as Williams' scores.

Heh, you fuckin' said it. :laugh:

HO HO HO ! For now i have only tracklist ! xd

duration - 01:09:28

He’s Here For Us
A Long Ride Ahead
Wobani Imperial Labor Camp
Trust Goes Both Ways
When Has Become Now
Jedha Arrival
Jedha City Ambush
Star-Dust
Confrontation on Eadu
Krennic’s Aspirations
Rebellions Are Built on Hope
Rogue One
Cargo Shuttle SW-0608
Scrambling the Rebel Fleet
AT-ACT Assault
The Master Switch
Your Father Would Be Proud
Hope
Jyn Erso & Hope Suite
The Imperial Suite
Guardians of the Whills Suite

I LOVE the idea of having three suites! :D
And I hope the score will be good...

Or you know, you could not be an impatient little greedy fucker, wait til it's released like everyone else, and, hey, maybe, buy it?

:laugh:

At least, we can have The Great Wall, San... I mean, Bart? ��

I mean, if you're gonna pirate it, and it's gonna be given free to you the least you could fucking do is BE PATIENT.

You know Bart Oss tends to have it the day of release or even days early if lucky..

Or you know, you could not be an impatient little greedy fucker, wait til it's released like everyone else, and, hey, maybe, buy it?

I was going to buy it, but after reading your kind words I've decided not to, out of spite. Giacchino just lost his bucks thanks to you. BOO-HOO!!!

Or you know, you could not be an impatient little greedy fucker, wait til it's released like everyone else, and, hey, maybe, buy it?

Hey man, calm down! :laugh:
I'd could buy it, only if it will be (for me) a life-changing score, like Interstellar :D But it's pretty rare that I buy music (especcially CDs), though I know I should. I probably will when my wallet will be larger... when I'll be working.

I was going to buy it, but after reading your kind words I've decided not to, out of spite. Giacchino just lost his bucks thanks to you. BOO-HOO!!!

I mean, there was really no need for Ponyo to make that comment, but if that's why you're not purchasing the album, that's really stupid.

I mean, if you're gonna pirate it, and it's gonna be given free to you the least you could fucking do is BE PATIENT.

You know Bart Oss tends to have it the day of release or even days early if lucky..

I am patient...
I just am a tad irritated because no details of the score had been officially released yet (as if the score is so messy that they don't have yet an album ready). I guess they haven't posted the details because of the spoilers the titles give...
Also, I'm excited at the idea of listening those three suites, especially "The Imperial Suite"! It looks so good, against all of my fears for the score.

I mean, if you're gonna pirate it, and it's gonna be given free to you the least you could fucking do is BE PATIENT.

You know Bart Oss tends to have it the day of release or even days early if lucky..
Oh, dude. You know how many times you asked for the Sun and Moon Super Music Collection when you were waiting for it to be posted, even though you were telling people to be patient about it? Just stop, seriously.


Will you be sharing with us Nintendo 3DS Pok�mon Sun & Moon Super Music Complete, AcidBeast?


I can't wait for it too. Hope someone shares a 100% FLAC, or at least with cue, log and m3u. Scans would be nice too.

I mean, there was really no need for Ponyo to make that comment, but if that's why you're not purchasing the album, that's really stupid.

I agree... none of us is affected by our choice of purchasing (or not purchasing) the album.

Lmao Lockdown your attempt to shit on me backfired completely. The same thing you made an effort to look on threads just to find something to make me look wrong, why didn't you copypaste too, the posts I made on the Pok�mon Sun and Moon 3DS gamerips where I said myself that I was not downloding those and simply patiently waiting?


I'm just going to wait for the official soundtrack rips.


Sigh. Impatient people. I'll just wait til the official soundtrack releases in November, with the game.

In those posts, do you see any impatience, from me, when I said I was waiting to the official soundtrack release in CD, an You think, me, gently asking ONCE, to a trusty uploader of Pok�mon CD's, to upload the CD, is really being really impatient, and having asked him a day after release? You pretty much took the comments for your liking and purposedly took them out of context to prove me wrong. Yes, my friend, because simply asking someone who usually shares Pok�mon stuff if he was gonna share it, just once, a few days after it's out, CLEARLY is an act of impatience. That's one time, days after release. Yes, that's a lot of times, and that's a lot of impatience, CLEARLY. Those two posts were made the same day, and in only the first time I ask if he's gonna upload it. Just once. Way to take shit out of context. ;)

Seriously, get lost with your piss poor attempt of making me look like shit. You failed. Go home. As for any of you wanting to act offended for my comments, I didn't do no wrong. I just said, pretty much the truth. There's no need for impatience here with this score when we all know it's a huge one and we're getting it Day 1 or maybe even a day earlier. It's happened a lot of times. Why make a fuss out of it.

My reaction to this thread: this is why I don't talk to people much.

My reaction to this thread: this is why I don't talk to people much.

*Extends Hand to Shake*

Welcome to Club Partner.

I mean, all this rubbish for a score that's likely to satisfy the casuals of the site and offend the usual suspects to the point one guy has to defend it? It's not warranted really. I'd much rather we wait for the thing, try to be as neutral and open to it as possible, and then move on to the next thing.

Is that too much to ask for?

Oh, of COURSE it is.

Indeed.
Hence Why I Keep Saying

"THE ONLY OPINION THAT MATTERS TO ME. IS MINE."

I agree with you, I think some went too far to even bet 100 dollars that the score would be worse than a literal off-key version of the Star Wars theme.

Giacchino is really the new Zimmer, it's a fact now.

It Is Always The Same


It Will Be Crap Beacuase :


1. It Is Composed By .....
2. It Is Not Composed By....
3. It Is Part of ..... Collection and Not As Good Because Of (1. And 2)
4. It Is Crap Because I Hate It All....

I agree with you, I think some went too far to even bet 100 dollars that the score would be worse than a literal off-key version of the Star Wars theme.

Giacchino is really the new Zimmer, it's a fact now.

How is that? They're two entirely different composers, Ponyo, with different styles. Only way that'd ever be a thing is if Zimmer passed or something, or stopped composing.

For example, even though Michael Giacchino's done the essentially near-perfect impression and imitation of John Williams, I would never say he's the new Williams. No one's the new anybody.

He Means Because He Is Asked To Compose Everything Now. Hollywood Go To Him Reguarly Like They Do Zimmer.

Because he's gotten a bit too mainstream now, is asked to compose almost anything, and now that has made him either loved or loathed, just like it happened with Zimmer, really.

I think some went too far to even bet 100 dollars that the score would be worse than a literal off-key version of the Star Wars theme.

That would be my fault there. I just wanted to make a joke about one's supposed thought process, not make an actual bet on whether the score will be fine or ear splitting. A level not needed to be taken, but I still started it.


Giacchino is really the new Zimmer, it's a fact now.

I'd really hate to believe it, since I still feel Giacchino has more personality than Zimmer has, but when things are starting to get overproduced to the max, there's no denial in what's happening.

The only thing left is Giacchino making his own version of RCP. THEN we're complete.

When I am saying Giacchino is the new Zimmer is not because of the music they do, but as in, how they've becomed mainstream now, featured in a lot of movies, and have now fans and haters. Look at Zimmer's side in terms of fanboys and haters. People now either love everything they do or hate everything they do. Like it happened with Zimmer. I mean in that aspect. Nothing to do with the music, he composes differently. Also, Hunter, I was refering to DAK's comment.

Okay, then, now I know how you mean it.

I Like Both Composers Very Much. I Have Most Of Their Works and Collections.
But, There Are Some I Do Not Likd, But I Will Not Go Sar Far as To Preach That They Are GODS....

If Someone Asked My Opinion on An Album of Course I Would Say I Like It.

It Does Not Bother Me at All People Do Not Like Them.. Same With Disney, I Am A Mega Fan Of It. But When People Go Out of Their Way To Insult and Take The Piss Outta Of Liking It. Then No.

When I am saying Giacchino is the new Zimmer is not because of the music they do, but as in, how they've becomed mainstream now, featured in a lot of movies, and have now fans and haters. Look at Zimmer's side in terms of fanboys and haters. People now either love everything they do or hate everything they do. Like it happened with Zimmer. I mean in that aspect. Nothing to do with the music, he composes differently.

That's what I was referring to by "overproduced to the max." It's clear that the man is at his most noticeable now, for better or worse. Granted, I'm not certain if there's as much Giacchino supporters as Zimmer, but the divide between likes and dislikes are still there.


Also, Hunter, I was refering to DAK's comment.

That situation was a response to a thing I posted, so I'm still responsible.


DAK's, Skelly's, & gururu's perception of the Rogue One score (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfrCNDpfUeo)

"That situation" made me laugh my ass off.

Maybe We Should Start A Soundtrack Discussion In The Groups, Invite That Who We Trust...

:169:

I don't understand those who go out of their way to claim everything Hans or Giacchino do is shit, worst yet even without having listened to it.

I'm pretty sure they both make some great scores time to time. That kind of statement is just stupid. Regardless if you like his scores or music less or not, still to do that it's really dumb.

I'm still waiting for a release of the soundtrack of the original Star Wars spinoff movie, The Holiday Special!

The Holiday Special has some okay-ish music. Not even joking.

Well to be hosest, Giacchino is even more mainsteam than Zimmer nowadays. I mean take a look at some of their's recent projects. Zimmer did music for Crown show on Netflix, Planet Earth 2, Hidden Figures and The Little Prince. Giacchino is kinda stuck with Hollywood blockbusters and animated flicks for Pixar/Disney. Sure enough, Giacchino is using woodwinds and harps and etc. but the last time he did something out of character it was This Is Where I leave You. And that movie had Jason Bateman in it. Ish...
Still, I can't wait for Rogue One and Ponyo is a cringe.

Ponyo is a cringe.

Eh. You get used to him after a while, once you actually get kind with him. That is if you even bother, of course. Being a teenager doesn't help.

Dude, he's a nineteen year-old dog, he should know better sometimes.

Come on, Bart... oh, I mean Santa, we all know what's in your magic bag. Be cool, bring it on, man!
We just need all those fights about it being disappointing and not nearly as great as Williams' scores.

Patience. It'll get here. Delayed gratification builds character.

Lord knows some on the shrine could use a little character building.

Or just a little character.

Maybe Santa could bring them some for Christmas.

I don't see how I am cringe. And again my age means nothing. Besides, I've been pretty okay lately over the Shrine. Y'all know I used to bother wayyyy more years ago. Now, I actually stop sometimes and think what I say before I post.

He Means Because He Is Asked To Compose Everything Now. Hollywood Go To Him Reguarly Like They Do Zimmer.

That isn't really correct though. He is asked to compose everything (or nearly) than Disney produces.

Dude, he's a nineteen year-old dog, he should know better sometimes.

But the question is: is that in man years?

Actually, I've started this thread just so our fellow Bart Oss could write about this score being available for him to generously share with us at some point - like he did with Dr Strange (I think it was Dr Strange... the dude is really spoiling us!). His response seems to be non-offended or annoyed by my impatience and quite positive. I don't see any problems with a request thread like that, especially on a request-section of this board...

I'm definitely buying this when it gets out. I just hope they're not going to re-issue it later down the line. I don't mind buying a second Blu-Ray version with more special features, but an alb... oh fuck it, yeah sure I'll prob buy that again as well.

But the question is: is that in man years?

Actually, I've started this thread just so our fellow Bart Oss could write about this score being available for him to generously share with us at some point - like he did with Dr Strange (I think it was Dr Strange... the dude is really spoiling us!). His response seems to be non-offended or annoyed by my impatience and quite positive. I don't see any problems with a request thread like that, especially on a request-section of this board...

Why would you make a thread when you KNOW Bart Oss is gonna share it as soon as it's available? That's the point being here, to me, at least. It's as simple as doing the waiting game. Also, define "generously sharing" when his shares are monetized so gets a share of money of the downloads.. and have a lot of horrible malware that could fuck up computers.

My god. He's not a cringe. He's Grinch!

Of course, anyone would be a grinch when faced with people like you.. I'm speaking normally with common sense and all I get from you is douchy replies. Honestly, you can go fuck yourself. For all I care.

As previously agreed upon, this thread is as useless as a refrigerator salesman on the Arctic...

Don't worry, it'll fall in the depths of hell when the score releases come two or three days

When I am saying Giacchino is the new Zimmer is not because of the music they do, but as in, how they've becomed mainstream now, featured in a lot of movies, and have now fans and haters. Look at Zimmer's side in terms of fanboys and haters. People now either love everything they do or hate everything they do. Like it happened with Zimmer. I mean in that aspect. Nothing to do with the music, he composes differently. Also, Hunter, I was refering to DAK's comment.
So because someone is successful, they become the new... whoever was successful before? :/

Why aren't we getting any new Mozarts then? I mean, that's how it works, right?

Normies have no clue who Michael Giacchino is. They at least have some idea who Zimmer is though.

No siree. Giacchino is a big name the more time passes.

Normies have no clue who Michael Giacchino is. They at least have some idea who Zimmer is though.

I agree that most moviegoers have no idea who Giacchino is in regards to movies. However, if Rogue One is a hit, and the early responses seem to indicate it will be, the issue of name recognition might change. Williams is known because his music is associated with a lot of hit films. (He was also the conductor of the Boston Pops, an orchestra that has achieve a kind of recognition in American pop culture.)

It takes a combination of luck, skill and timing to break into the consciousness of the average person. We know the names of composers the way a sports fan knows his team's roster by heart but we a relatively small part of the movie going audience and we can't assume the everyone else is as fervent as we are in our devotion or interest.

I honestly doubt the average ticket holder is anymore aware of Zimmer than they are of Giacchino.

I don't understand those who go out of their way to claim everything Hans or Giacchino do is shit, worst yet even without having listened to it.

I'm pretty sure they both make some great scores time to time. That kind of statement is just stupid. Regardless if you like his scores or music less or not, still to do that it's really dumb.

In my opinion, Giacchino is still the better composer. Yes, I know no one asked. But I'm just saying.

No One Needed to Ask, Your Opinion Is Valid.

No One Needed to Ask, Your Opinion Is Valid.

Thanks, I appreciate that. Still, can't be too careful on these forums.

The old guard of movie composers are retiring or dying. It is the way of all things, but I am glad that both Zimmer (I like a few scores) and Giacchino (also like a few scores) are getting work. I would also be happy if a few more composers: Debbie Wiseman, Alexander Desplat, and John Ottman got some more recognition.

I am just blown away that a bunch of years ago while I listened to the Medal of Honor series music, I wondered what it will be like if he cracked the industry one day. Little did I know that he would do it, and in the sci-fi genre.

:this:

The Holiday Special has some okay-ish music. Not even joking.

Ya, Jefferson Starship!

I agree... none of us is affected by our choice of purchasing (or not purchasing) the album.No, but think about other people for a change. They put a lot of effort and time to create that score and the resulting product, and their families depend on the income from the sales for food and bills.

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Lmao Lockdown your attempt to shit on me backfired completely. The same thing you made an effort to look on threads just to find something to make me look wrong, why didn't you copypaste too, the posts I made on the Pok�mon Sun and Moon 3DS gamerips where I said myself that I was not downloding those and simply patiently waiting?





In those posts, do you see any impatience, from me, when I said I was waiting to the official soundtrack release in CD, an You think, me, gently asking ONCE, to a trusty uploader of Pok�mon CD's, to upload the CD, is really being really impatient, and having asked him a day after release? You pretty much took the comments for your liking and purposedly took them out of context to prove me wrong. Yes, my friend, because simply asking someone who usually shares Pok�mon stuff if he was gonna share it, just once, a few days after it's out, CLEARLY is an act of impatience. That's one time, days after release. Yes, that's a lot of times, and that's a lot of impatience, CLEARLY. Those two posts were made the same day, and in only the first time I ask if he's gonna upload it. Just once. Way to take shit out of context. ;)

Seriously, get lost with your piss poor attempt of making me look like shit. You failed. Go home. As for any of you wanting to act offended for my comments, I didn't do no wrong. I just said, pretty much the truth. There's no need for impatience here with this score when we all know it's a huge one and we're getting it Day 1 or maybe even a day earlier. It's happened a lot of times. Why make a fuss out of it.THANK YOU! :)

You Movie Soundtrack Guys sure are a contentious people.

http://i.imgur.com/k4ckSoy.gif

Some Are.
Some Just Like to Hear and Enjoy The Music.
Others Just Like To Take The Fun Out Of It And Make You Look Like A Twat For Liking It/Or The Composer.

You Movie Soundtrack Guys sure are a contentious people.

There are people who think we should all hold hands and pretend to be at ease with the preferences of others.
I'm not one of those people.

If people like Giacchino, or Brian Tyler, or Zimmer, or any other uninspired composer, that's totally cool. And if you think those three guys are talented people, awesome. If you can articulate to me why they're good composers, then damn son, go for it. Tell me why I'm wrong to think Giacchino hasn't got any spark.

But I'm not going to not criticize them just because I'm afraid someone's feewings might get hurt.

Okay.

:treknod:

It took Giacchino Man almost 20 years to get a Star Wars score at all.

That's how crappy he is.

At least he doesn't have to pretend to be someone he's not.

At least he doesn't have to pretend to be someone he's not.

Carol = Casey.

Digital elective gender reassignment.

It took Giacchino almost 20 years to get a Star Wars score at all.

That's how crappy he is.

What a horrible thing to say.

What does him being crappy (as if) have to do with it? The opportunity for anyone other than John Williams to score a Star Wars film is such a rare one. That's a huge factor that you completely disregarded.

What a horrible thing to say.

>Not recognizing blatant trolling


Come on dude

Who wouldn't recognize that behavior by now? Pretty much everything that Carol Anne says is blatantly idiotic.

But that doesn't mean I won't say how horrible of a thing it was. :p

Stop feeding the troll.

But does it really matter anyway? There's already more than a 50% chance there'll be no response.

There's not much harm in it unless it's made into some sort of epidemic. But why would it be?

And even then. Trolls only cause harm if we let it happen.

Giacchino Man is doing Star Trek films, Jurassic World films, Spider-Man films, Star Wars films, Planet of the Apes films now...

It's certainly because he made friends in high places.

It took Giacchino almost 20 years to get a Star Wars score at all.

Maybe that's because George Lucas still had his hand on the franchise, and only had 3 films left in mind, so Williams still remained the choice then.

This Giacchino guy was just doing video game and TV stuff at that time, and maybe a film or so there. He hadn't hit big yet.

Times change, don't they?

Nah, he is just making the biggest dollar out of other folks' hard earned property.

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Mike Giacchino = sack of shit

Nah, he is just making the biggest dollar out of other folks' hard earned property.

Blame the studio for hiring what has now become the new safe choice for film scoring (particularly Disney). I wouldn't the blame the man himself for being easily hired by pretty much everyone NOT named Warner Bros.

He's doing Star Trek. While Bear McCreary doesn't get shit. Life isn't fair? Seems he's not having the political connections Giacchino man has.

Isn't that how it's always gonna be though? There will be some underappreciated composer that could've gotten the job that goes to the popular choice instead. History has had many cases of this.

The simple fact that one guy is getting five franchises simultaneously - while, in the good days, each composer had ONE - it points to the simple reality that nowadays, everything is the same.

Giacchino Man is the Donald Trump of movie music.

And if you don't see how cynical this is, you are not a true fan.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but Carol is right - Giacchino's success today can probably be traced back to his relationships with Brad Bird and JJ Abrams.

Bird got him started working on Pixar's The Incredibles and Rataouille, after which I'm sure Disney's attentions on Giacchino were heightened.
After Abrams was given the director's chair for MI:3 he brought Giacchino in to because they'd worked together on LOST.
Worlds collided and now everyone in Hollywood has Giacchino fever, for better or for worse.

Bear McCreary, despite to my ear being a better composer, a more daring one, hasn't yet made the right connections to get into scoring a big film. But he did Cloverfield 2 this past year, so maybe he'll finally be getting some nicer gigs soon.

I don't doubt having connections don't push you to the top. I'm just saying Giacchino can't be the only one in history.

I don't know why I care this much about this, considering I'm not in the best mood to listen to film scores.

I don't even know the man well, so why am I bothering? Devil's advocate perhaps? I don't know.

Perhaps if McCreary stopped playing guitars out of tune and trying every trick in the book to remain dissonant, then safe hollywood may consider him. I loved his Battle star Galactica percussion motifs, but the drunk minstrel thing can irritate, especially when played standalone from film.

I think McReary is happy doing TV.
He's always been happy about his scores that be posts about on Facebook.
It's not like he's posting stuff like "Dream Big" or "Hang in there" kitty posters about doing movies.

If he gets a movie, great. If not, he's an opportunist. He'll do what he can and enjoy.

Tell me why I'm wrong to think Giacchino hasn't got any spark.Because Hollywood directors keep wanting to hire him based on his work, THAT's why!

I can't believe I'm saying this, but Carol is right - Giacchino's success today can probably be traced back to his relationships with Brad Bird and JJ Abrams.

Bird got him started working on Pixar's The Incredibles and Rataouille, after which I'm sure Disney's attentions on Giacchino were heightened.
After Abrams was given the director's chair for MI:3 he brought Giacchino in to because they'd worked together on LOST.
Worlds collided and now everyone in Hollywood has Giacchino fever, for better or for worse.

Bear McCreary, despite to my ear being a better composer, a more daring one, hasn't yet made the right connections to get into scoring a big film. But he did Cloverfield 2 this past year, so maybe he'll finally be getting some nicer gigs soon.

Even before Brad Bird and J.J. Abrams.

Giacchino actually met Steven Spielberg in 1996 or '97, during the development of The Lost World: Jurassic Park (also during the making of the film itself). Spielberg, being heavily involved in the video game development at DreamWorks, and having just heard the first piece Michael wrote (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nm_vgFN-JtE) for the showcase the developers prepared to have shown, wanted the score to be performed by a live orchestra. "It has to be done with a live orchestra.", was what he said. This was the first of any of Michael Giacchino's music to be done this way. And following that game's score, Steven asked Giacchino to compose for Medal of Honor (a series which Spielberg created). And then sometime shortly after that you have J.J. Abrams calling him about Alias, and so on and so forth. The meeting with Spielberg set off a chain reaction, essentially, and it was just that early in his career. Friends in high places.

Given all the above circumstances, Giacchino's position in the current year of 2016 should come as no surprise.

Giacchino is a fraud and a bastard-son of Hillary Clinton, he has her fraud-genes.

Because Hollywood directors keep wanting to hire him based on his work, THAT's why!

About half of Hollywood directors and producers don't know squat about decent film scores. That's been made quite evident in the past couple years.

Most commonly, the composer's creativity space is suppressed or dumbed-down.

I like turtles.

Giacchino is a fraud and a bastard-son of Hillary Clinton, he has her fraud-genes.

Go sit in the corner.

Even John Williams was introduced to George Lucas by Steven Spielberg. It says so in the booklet for the two disc Star Wars soundtrack.

Steven Spielberg is raising the new generation of hacks like J.J. Abrams and Michael Giacchino. It's the cabal of his own.

Thread on fire!

Just my two cents: John Williams studied piano and composition at a young age and worked as a Jazz and classical pianist since early adulthood BEFORE he made the right connections. Giacchino's early career had jackshit to do with music other than "admiring Williams" and only later did he "take music classes at the Juilliard School".

I'm not even sure if he plays an instrument (or can even conduct) himself because the main thing his music lacks is something Williams excells at: "Long-form symphonic writing" or in simpler words "telling a story with music by an orchestra instead of words" which differs from "expressing an emotional state with an orchestra" which about any film composer can do anyways. I also don't attribute the superb quality of Medal of Honor to him but his orchestrators, and he needs a ton of them if anything decent is to come out. Secret Weapons over Normandy alone was "orchestrated" by Tim Simonec, Larry Kenton, Matthew Ferraro, Steve Zuckerman, Chris Tilton, & Mark Gasbarroon. Granted Williams was at his best when his music was orchestrated by Spencer but the fundamental difference is that Williams knows how "film music" works and Giacchino only paints a silhouette of the real thing.

Williams music is full of musical history: Almost every work is full of the classical and romantic repertoire as well as Golden Age references. He lives and breathes "classical music" which is the root of any great film music. In comparision I just don't hear anything worthwhile coming from Giacchino's music because he does not inherit the very essence of worthwhile compositions from past to present (something I will remember instantly, even after years have passed) and I will bet all my money that in 100 years nobody will even remember who he was and why people were so hot about him those days, all while Williams music will still be studied, celebrated, played in concerts and dearly loved.

Thankfully William Ross and many others will save Rogue One from falling short of standard and make it a fun callback to the good old days of cinema but I doubt it will stay in people's memories longer than a few months.

Secret Weapons over Normandy alone was "orchestrated" by Tim Simonec, Larry Kenton, Matthew Ferraro, Steve Zuckerman, Chris Tilton, & Mark Gasbarroon.

You make a very good point here.
It is very interesting to compare score sketches (i.e. what the composer writes) and the orchestrator's manuscripts (i.e., what the orchestrators produce from that sketch). John Williams for each cue writes a very thorough composition, and Eddie Karam, Conrad Pope, or whoever will make it more legible - they're essentially copyists. This is very rare.

It would be interesting to see how Giacchino sketches out cues, and how they're transformed by an orchestrator. One might see where the real talent is coming from.

Looking at this fucking thread I can't help but wonder which is worse.
Film scores community bitching about how not everyone can be John Williams.

Or anime scores community thinking Hiroyuki Sawano is actually a good composer.

Those thought about orchestrations are very interesting. Now it just came up to my mind: do you think that the last two Hobbit scores suffered from Shore not being involved as orchestrator and conductor?

How has this not leaked yet? Isn't it released on Dec 16?

My new reaction to this thread: So what exactly is the appeal of Giacchino, now that I'm seeing too many of the skeptical here. Clearly the amount of fans tell me there needs to be SOMETHING. Otherwise, it'd be like Zimmer where those fans eat everything up.

How has this not leaked yet? Isn't it released on Dec 16?

Disney has tight control over its intellectual properties.

To follow up on my argument, I didn't mean to put Williams on a pedestal of godlike status, just describing why his music works in a way Giacchinos work does not. But you can't hold Giacchino at fault for this: The Environment in Hollywood today rejects symphonic writing (so he has no incentive to master it) and as many have pointed out many producers and directors have lost the art and taste for great storytelling of which the symphonic score is the greatest device ever invented.

But what Williams does is not (and never will be) magic. He only has his untouchable status right now because he has trained harder than anyone else in his lifetime. He writes one new piece of music everyday (at least he said so) and has decades of experience working in the business. But you can understand and learn the basic things he does and why they work so well and impact you by looking at the one common trait he shares with every other great composers of past and present who made music that even your grandkids will still hum in the bathtub: They all studied classical composition. Goldsmith did, Poledouris did, Morricone did, Hisaishi did and James Horner was just a walking dictionary of the classical world's best moments. Even before that the first film music masters were classical composers straight from the concert hall. Early cinema was scored like Opera and that's where themes and leitmotifs came from (all made popular in the 19th century).

Classical music does not mean snobbish "high art" but a musical standard, formed by centuries of applied practices, experimentation and musicial inventions that impact the human brain and provoke emotions and interest. If a composer has mastered it, his music will be far richer and more interesting for it, because he can now hold the audience's attention with a piece of music longer than 10 minutes, spin a story from his mind with just notes on a piece of paper that can say more than the greatest of war speeches because he analyzed with how little notes Mahler or Ravel created the most epic sounds on earth. This is what separates Giacchino from the likes of Williams, not talent but a level of education he could potentially overcome if only the environment would call for it. As of right now he only tries to imitate a great composer instead of becoming the next great one. And that's not good enough for me.

My new reaction to this thread: So what exactly is the appeal of Giacchino, now that I'm seeing too many of the skeptical here. Clearly the amount of fans tell me there needs to be SOMETHING. Otherwise, it'd be like Zimmer where those fans eat everything up.

There's no doubt that Giacchino is able to craft great scores... Personally, I truly love his works for JJ's "Super 8" and "Star Trek", and surely there are some other great scores from him (other persons more experienced than me can tell it way better than I can).
But from the very few scores of him that I heard these recent years (say "Doctor Strange" and, partially, "Jurassic World"), I think that he has way more chance to make a great score when he has time and has a director he already worked with in the past (Brad Bird, JJ Abrams, Pete Docter). And I'm very afraid of what "Spider-Man: Homecoming" will be like.
But this is my impression, based on my very limited skills (and listens of said scores), that can be easily proven wrong.

As for his score for Rogue One, having extremely little time to make it and being a collaboration with a new director, I fear it has very little chances of being as great as his "Super 8" or "Star Trek" scores.

But I'm still hopeful for a surprise! :D

I'm reading a lot of minds are made up about the quality of score but as far as I know no one on this thread has heard the soundtrack in its entirety.

Is it too much to ask that we give the score a chance? Listen to the score and then make up our minds?

Or are we like the Red Queen in asserting "sentence first, verdict afterwards?"

We all attended the recording sessions, Killgrave. Sorry, we forgot to invite you.

:laugh:

7AM for New York ;)

7AM for New York ;)

The only good thing to be said on this thread.
Thank you very much for keeping us informed, dear sir!

We all attended the recording sessions, Killgrave. Sorry, we forgot to invite you.

And here I thought my invitation got lost in the ether.



Shrine Secret Recording Sessions Listening Party

Those thought about orchestrations are very interesting. Now it just came up to my mind: do you think that the last two Hobbit scores suffered from Shore not being involved as orchestrator and conductor?

The scores suffered because Shore was entirely spent after An Unexpected Journey. But yeah, also that.

7AM for New York ;)
Surely you don't mean PM?

We could hope

Disney has tight control over its intellectual properties.

Well, it's out in the wild (https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/5icni3/confirmation_of_soundtrack_titles/?st=iwpizbds&sh=e84ec557), so it's only a matter of time now...

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG YES YES I WANT IT NOW! NOW! NOW! PLEASE! NOW! COME ON! COME ON! YES! I'M SO EXCITED! YES! YES! YES! YES! NOW! NOW! I WANT IT IN MY HDD IN FIVE SECONDS OR ILL SCREAM! I'VE WAITED TOO MUCH! NOW! PLEASE! COME OOOOOOOOOOOOON! PEOPLE ALREADY HAVE IT! LEAK NOOOWWW! NOOOOW! NOOOOOOW OR I'LLL CRY!!!

WHY ISN'T IT UPLOADED YET? IT SHOULD BE HERE NOW! COME ON! I WANT IT NOW! IF YOU DON'T UPLOAD IT, I'LL BE PISSED! COME ON! I DESERVE THIS! I NEED TO LISTEN TO THIS! COME ON! NOW NOW NOW!! AND NO THANKS FROM ME! I WANT IT NOOOOOOOOOOOW!! I WON'T LIVE IF I DON'T GET IT NOW!

:facepalm:

I'LLL CRY!!!

Please do.

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG YES YES I WANT IT NOW! NOW! NOW! PLEASE! NOW! COME ON! COME ON! YES! I'M SO EXCITED! YES! YES! YES! YES! NOW! NOW! I WANT IT IN MY HDD IN FIVE SECONDS OR ILL SCREAM! I'VE WAITED TOO MUCH! NOW! PLEASE! COME OOOOOOOOOOOOON! PEOPLE ALREADY HAVE IT! LEAK NOOOWWW! NOOOOW! NOOOOOOW OR I'LLL CRY!!!

WHY ISN'T IT UPLOADED YET? IT SHOULD BE HERE NOW! COME ON! I WANT IT NOW! IF YOU DON'T UPLOAD IT, I'LL BE PISSED! COME ON! I DESERVE THIS! I NEED TO LISTEN TO THIS! COME ON! NOW NOW NOW!! AND NO THANKS FROM ME! I WANT IT NOOOOOOOOOOOW!! I WON'T LIVE IF I DON'T GET IT NOW!
I thought you were going to be patient?

You guys SERIOUSLY lack a sarcasm detector. Come on, it's surely over exagerated. IT'S FUCKING OBVIOUS that I'm mocking the impatient fans who want it NOW and don't want to wait til day of release..

I thought it was obvious, not fucking obvious.

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG YES YES I WANT IT NOW! NOW! NOW! PLEASE! NOW! COME ON! COME ON! YES! I'M SO EXCITED! YES! YES! YES! YES! NOW! NOW! I WANT IT IN MY HDD IN FIVE SECONDS OR ILL SCREAM! I'VE WAITED TOO MUCH! NOW! PLEASE! COME OOOOOOOOOOOOON! PEOPLE ALREADY HAVE IT! LEAK NOOOWWW! NOOOOW! NOOOOOOW OR I'LLL CRY!!!

WHY ISN'T IT UPLOADED YET? IT SHOULD BE HERE NOW! COME ON! I WANT IT NOW! IF YOU DON'T UPLOAD IT, I'LL BE PISSED! COME ON! I DESERVE THIS! I NEED TO LISTEN TO THIS! COME ON! NOW NOW NOW!! AND NO THANKS FROM ME! I WANT IT NOOOOOOOOOOOW!! I WON'T LIVE IF I DON'T GET IT NOW!

You're an embarrassment. And yes, I know you post shit like this because you have a pathological need for attention, but is it too much to ask for a little bit of grace?

Answer: yes, because Ponyo has zero impulse control.

Oh no, I cursed, gosh diddly darn, I'm such a bad person. :laugh:

No but seriously. I was trying to mock the obsessive impatient people. I failed and made a fool of myself? Of course. As always. But nothing about that comment was serious. I'll grab the thing after I see the movie.

If you don't want people to act like that, just ignore it, and don't be just as bad as them, or make fun of them. It doesn't make you any better than the people you're trying to call out.

Oh come on, now, seriously. Why everyone in this god forsaken forum can get away with doing stupid stuff without getting hit for it, but when Ponyo does it, he's a massive embarassment and it's really wrong.

Peace out.

Surely you don't mean PM?

nope :3

I've seen this guy somewhere before. Hmmmmm.

Oh come on, now, seriously. Why everyone in this god forsaken forum can get away with doing stupid stuff without getting hit for it, but when Ponyo does it, he's a massive embarrassment and it's really wrong.

Peace out.
You're not. I have had threads made about me, but so have you. I know the feeling. It sucks.

Oh come on, now, seriously. Why everyone in this god forsaken forum can get away with doing stupid stuff without getting hit for it, but when Ponyo does it, he's a massive embarassment and it's really wrong.

Totally untrue. I've felt like an idiot or have said something stupid a lot of occasions too. Maybe nobody noticed, but it still goes.

We'll soon get this year's fourth Giacchino's score AND a new Star Wars score. And it's pretty good thing, don't you think? Don't spoil everything by fighting with some miserable troll on Internet.

We'll soon get this year's fourth Giacchino's score AND a new Star Wars score. And it's pretty good thing, don't you think? Don't spoil everything by fighting with some miserable troll on Internet.

Yes! Now people can die happily having the next Giacchino score they were so patient about! :laugh:

Until the next big one comes along! XD Also, I'm not miserable, nor a troll, might as well be you, darling.

Totally untrue. I've felt like an idiot or have said something stupid a lot of occasions too. Maybe nobody noticed, but it still goes.

You Fool! Idiot! Silly-Stupid-Foolish Person!

:p


We'll soon get this year's fourth Giacchino's score AND a new Star Wars score. And it's pretty good thing, don't you think? Don't spoil everything by fighting with some miserable troll on Internet.

:this:

Damn! Straight!

You Fool! Idiot! Silly-Stupid-Foolish Person!

:p

Hur-hur-hur. I mean...ho-ho-ho.

Hur-hur-hur, I mean...ho-ho-ho.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/2-12-2015/D4Nv4C.gif

Hur-hur-hur. I mean...ho-ho-ho.
Calm down Santa

Ugh. I'm moving on from this. It's pretty clear we go to the absolute max when it comes to misunderstandings and all that. You guys have been a perfect representation for the year.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/2-12-2015/D4Nv4C.gif

I wish he'd come back from the Hamptons.


Calm down Santa

I am calm... but Rogue One'll probably throw me off the rails.

I am calm... but Rogue One'll probably throw me off the rails.

With all the fuss I'm extremely curious now.. I'll download it after seeing the movie.

As for anyone waiting, it should be out sometime tomorrow, if not friday.

Tommorow ;). I really enjoy listening to the score first so I can pick out what they decided to put on the disc and what got left off. It's going to be easier to pick the stand out tracks that way. I totally get the fun of going in blind too.

nope :3
Well I have my alarm set for 7AM then!

anyone got the sesssions to this yet? :ashine:

anyone got the sesssions to this yet? :ashine:

Yeah, I have it, along with all the prequels.

Well I have my alarm set for 7AM then!

6 AM for me, I think.


Yeah, I have it, along with all the prequels.

Gimmie

Also, why is everyone hating on Giacchino? The man has done some legit great stuff. Just listen to The Incredibles and Star Trek.

Also, why is everyone hating on Giacchino? The man has done some legit great stuff. Just listen to The Incredibles and Star Trek.

:this:

Also, why is everyone hating on Giacchino? The man has done some legit great stuff. Just listen to The Incredibles and Star Trek.

Do not forget "Super 8"! ;)
As for myself, I'm not hating him, but I'm worried about Rogue One because, despite his talent, he made some blockbuster scores recently that I didn't enjoy that much ("Doctor Strange", "Star Trek Beyond", partially "Jurassic World"). But it's probably just me not having listened to the score enough times to truly appreciate them.
But I think many of those who criticize him are simply disappointed by some of his works, knowing he's a very, very talented composer.

Now I've read some positive comments about his "Rogue One" score, so I'm hopeful for something nice (at least) from this :D

Uh... And don't forget Medal of Honor! Why is it that the best work of his repertoire is barely ever mentioned?

The last song of the movie "Hope" is a great track ! Really, with some dark choirs...(Dark Side :p)
The Entire movie score is cool, I like it but it's really in the last 25min that you have the great part :)

And don't forget Jupiter Ascending. Hell, in fact I do consider it being the best score of 2015, not Williams' Force Awakens (strong second place). And Tomorrowland. And Lost scores. And John Carter. And Let Me In...
You know what? I've just remembered - Michael Giacchino is freaking fantastic composer!

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The last song of the movie "Hope" is a great track ! Really, with some dark choirs...(Dark Side :p)
The Entire movie score is cool, I like it but it's really in the last 25min that you have the great part :)
And now you're going to brag about having it before anyone else. Seen that, young mister, not amusing in a slightest.

Uh... And don't forget Medal of Honor! Why is it that the best work of his repertoire is barely ever mentioned?

It's a very decent war music. That's the reason why i am looking forward to rogue one, since MG said he composed a World War 2 movie score.

And don't forget Jupiter Ascending. Hell, in fact I do consider it being the best score of 2015, not Williams' Force Awakens (strong second place). And Tomorrowland. And Lost scores. And John Carter. And Let Me In...
You know what? I've just remembered - Michael Giacchino is freaking fantastic composer!

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And now you're going to brag about having it before anyone else. Seen that, young mister, not amusing in a slightest.

Not at all....I'm just giving some details about the score....Is it wrong ? I don't think so. I'm just sharing my "little" opinion about the score, not about the movie, not about the story etc...

Sorry. The forum has this horrible experience with users stating (bull-shiting) that they have some of the anticipated scores and then being jerks and not share them with the others. There's Batman v Superman thread somewhere, that is a great (and regretful) showcase of this. Horror. Horror...

Hi Eddie. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the score. I know that it will have some amazing action cues based on the trailers but does the score have some softer pieces. For example the original Star Wars had Leia's theme and the binary sunset while episode Two had Across the Stars and Ep 7 had Rey's theme?

Cheers :)

Uh... And don't forget Medal of Honor! Why is it that the best work of his repertoire is barely ever mentioned?

I've never had the chance of playing that game or listening to its music.

So when is it out then? like the earliest? Im in the Uk and its not even available to Preorder on Itunes yet. i assumed it would be available to purchase from midnight tonight.

Bart Oss said it's going to be at 7AM. We wait. Meanwhile you can order your own copy at Amazon, to help Mr Giacchino and you know, just to have it without feeling any shame.

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Hi Eddie. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the score. I know that it will have some amazing action cues based on the trailers but does the score have some softer pieces. For example the original Star Wars had Leia's theme and the binary sunset while episode Two had Across the Stars and Ep 7 had Rey's theme?

Cheers :)

I think you'll have your answer by listening the full score (available now) :) Anyways, the Jyn Erso's theme is great, beautiful BUT when I saw the movie yesterday (France), one music make me feel like, you know, I'm in a Star Wars movie; with strange noises etc (''Guardians of the Whills Suite'' ). Everyone here must know that Vadpr theme is not really in the movie...One scene is just ''WOW'' and when I saw that scene, I've got chills everywhere ! :D It's a cool & fun movie, and the music had a great influence as always, so Giacchino composed a great score, really :) (Sorry for my english haha)

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Sorry. The forum has this horrible experience with users stating (bull-shiting) that they have some of the anticipated scores and then being jerks and not share them with the others. There's Batman v Superman thread somewhere, that is a great (and regretful) showcase of this. Horror. Horror...

Haha I know...don"t worry :) I'm not going to spoil anything :)

Hi. I listened to the score and liked a fair amount of it, especially the second half. Eddie thanks for your quick review. I'm hoping to see the movie on the weekend. I'm hoping that seeing it in connection to the film will make me enjoy the score more. I wonder if there will be FYC edition like Force Awakens and how different it might be compared to the original release.

I don't suppose the theme from Yavin Base has surfaced yet? i couldn't find it on either the official release or the FYC.

Not clean but on YouTube there is a rip that is 80% clean.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ulKjZXtA5Gc