Here's the surround sound isolated score to John William's iconic Superman.

This one comes from the 2000 restoration.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078346/technical
"2 hr 31 min (151 min) (2000 restoration) (USA)"

It's surround sound.
But the .1 is probably useless.
And maybe even best at just the front 3 speakers.

It's 48kHz, as per AC3 + BD specification.

Since it's AC3, it's lossy.
Which means it has no bit depth.
Any program or software that shows a bit depth, should, logically, only say what the source bit depth used to be.
But since that's a stretch and that data usually isn't available from a commercially produced AC3, I would say it's safe to call that program stupid.
Maybe the developor's fault. Maybe the mass collective of users are to blame. Afterall, devs cater to the needs of the many. And the many truly, truly are well, I said it already. The users have no bit depth, whatsoever.

*ahem*

Now, then.

The 5.1 isolated score in 640kbps and 5.1 surround sound in AC3!

It is also a single, long file. From start to finish without chapters or cuts.
Think of it as an image file without the .cue file. (single flac, single ape, etc)

Here's the chapter list for a frame of reference.
No titles provided for the chapters. That can be googled if desired.

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That's a lot of chapters.
They are not coordinated with the isolated score, but with the main audio stream for the movie.

Since it's AC3 + 5.1, any editing will have to be understood as a lossy process.
Unless you conver to a lossless format, edit and then save as lossless to prevent any further loss.

Any downmixing, please proper coefficients for a simple stereo mix.
Any unorthodox downmixing should be noted if you are going to redistribute as a Dolby Pro Logic encode. We have some members who do that and have the courtesy to tell others, so please follow their examples.
DPL encodings are only good for DPL decoding recievers. For simple stereo, you get nothing.
Etc etc. Disclaimer policy, downmix at your own discretion, not responsible for another's stupidty, etc etc.

This is intended for editors to make their own cut up version in surround sound.
And if you're big on sampling frequencies, oh baby, is 48 the right one for you. To hell with 44.1.



2 hr 31 min (151 min) (2000 restoration) (USA)
AC3, 5.1, 48kHz

The link:
https://mega.nz/#!mwZDiKhJ!ECHHn_7v72Gd9lv-J2ebydeolyaO9LfCCK3DeuF3jQM



Happy editing!

Thanks! I'll probably post the DVD rip as an extra then. Even if it's just a worse version, It's best to have multiple copies at hand.

Also:


Just chiming in with a few facts :)

The Superman isolated score was created from Eric Tomlinson's 6-track mixes, not the Rhino set, and those same elements were used for the FSM edition. And the Blu-ray does have the 8 additional cues

Is the DVD different? Like Theatrical or extended?

Is the DVD different? Like Theatrical or extended?

Nope. It's just basically the first release of the same isolated score.

Also, the 2000/2001 restoration is longer than the theatrical. In fact, the expanded version was the only version around of the film on DVD until 2006.

Nope. It's just basically the first release of the same isolated score.

"just" and "basically" are two entirely different words that should never be in the same sentence.

So it's the same isolated score as the Restoration i just posted?

I'm at a total loss of what you're saying.

First release is the extended 3 hour version? If that being the only one on DVD until 2006.
Or do you have a newer DVD release that's the restoration, since it's the same isolated score.

If it's not the restoration, then it would be a good supplement.
If it is the exact same thing but in lower bitrate, it wouild be useless. Since editing with lossy, you want the most bitrate.
Although, is there new music for the extended edition, or is it just tracked music that's already released in the previous versions.

The IMDb link shows runtimes for the different versions.

Unfortunately, it seems there's no actual difference between the DVD and Blu-ray versions of the isolated score. Data looks close to the same. The BD is practically an upconvert. Would've been better to just post the DVD file. Boo.

Ac3 is different than MP3.
Spectrograms don't tell bitrates.

The ghost line at 10kHz is absent in the bluray.

The DVD actually looks like it was just copied for peak extension.
If you look at the ghost line, the data starts to repeat itself.
The DVD is a sham. boo for cheating the system.
Not you though, but the DVD. Whoever thought it was the best thing to do to transfer it like that.

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And, I guess that solves that "Donner Cut" = "2000 Restoration"?

Boys, boys, boys and their… toys.

"just" and "basically" are two entirely different words that should never be in the same sentence.

So it's the same isolated score as the Restoration i just posted?

I'm at a total loss of what you're saying.

First release is the extended 3 hour version? If that being the only one on DVD until 2006.
Or do you have a newer DVD release that's the restoration, since it's the same isolated score.

If it's not the restoration, then it would be a good supplement.
If it is the exact same thing but in lower bitrate, it wouild be useless. Since editing with lossy, you want the most bitrate.
Although, is there new music for the extended edition, or is it just tracked music that's already released in the previous versions.

The IMDb link shows runtimes for the different versions.

You're making me laugh with your misinformation. Shows how much you care for the film. :laugh:

The original 1978 theatrical cut runs at 143 minutes. This is the only version to release on VHS. 2006 was the year they decided to put it out On DVD.

The 2000 expanded cut runs at 153 minutes, having 8 minutes added back in. This was the first version to release on DVD. It also became the first version to debut on Blu-ray as well. It's the only version of the film you can buy by itself on BD. It's also the only version to include the isolated track.

This three hour extended version you're referring to is TV broadcast only. Made in the 1980s, it's purpose was to fill out the run time so that more commercials would play. It's never been released on home video.


The quality of the extended network TV version is inferior to any theatrical or current home video release because it was mastered in 16mm (using the "film chain system") and a mono sound mix done, as by the time the extended cut was prepared in 1981, stereo was not available in television broadcasts. Eight of the 45 minutes of extended scenes that were used in the later 2000 director's cut restoration were taken from restored elements.

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Boys, boys, boys and their… toys.

We didn't bring it up. Someone else asked for it. They always do.

Unfortunately, it seems there's no actual difference between the DVD and Blu-ray versions of the isolated score. Data looks close to the same. The BD is practically an upconvert. Would've been better to just post the DVD file. Boo.





Which is which?
Something wonky is going on at 10kHz in the second picture, and I don't know enough about audio engineering to know what. But at the same time the spectrogram for the 5-channel mix looks more... vibrant, I guess? I don't know what that means in terms of audio though.

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You're making me laugh with your misinformation. Shows how much you care for the film. :laugh:

Sorry buddy, but not all of us are determined students of the Donner films.

Ac3 is different than MP3.
Spectrograms don't tell bitrates.

The ghost line at 10kHz is absent in the bluray.

The DVD actually looks like it was just copied for peak extension.
If you look at the ghost line, the data starts to repeat itself.
The DVD is a sham. boo for cheating the system.
Not you though, but the DVD. Whoever thought it was the best thing to do to transfer it like that.

Huh. Shows how much I know.

The anthology version is probably the same then.

Case closed.

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Which is which?
Something wonky is going on at 10kHz in the second picture, and I don't know enough about audio engineering to know what. But at the same time the spectrogram for the 5-channel mix looks more... vibrant, I guess? I don't know what that means in terms of audio though.

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Sorry buddy, but not all of us are determined students of the Donner films.

BD is top. DVD is bottom.

I am at least for that film.

It's my favorite. :)

You're making me laugh with your misinformation. Shows how much you care for the film. :laugh:

Just as your inability to understand the technology.

The bluray is the better version since it's more organic than the boosted version.
There are better ways to boost the audio than the copy/paste job they did.

But this explains a lot about the releases.
I don't care about the film, but that doesn't mean I can't find the best one.

The anthologies I see are Theatrical only.
They didn't fuck with the boxsets or choose to omit anything.
Despite the information.
I won't go through lengths to prove it to you since the sites are private.
But maybe, that's why Cal is also doesn't have the iso score?

So the 3 hour one was made for a 4 hour spot? The extra hour belonging to commercials.
IMDb wouldn't list the broadcast time that includes commercials.

If you were informative in the first place, that would have made searching for this a lot easier.
The anothologies out there don't have the Restoration. Just theatrical.
And, as you stated, the standalone had the iso.

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Huh. Shows how much I know.

The anthology version is probably the same then.

Case closed.

Ugh. You should have started with that. :laugh:

I was referring to the different cuts, not the technical information. Also in how you don't care for the film

I'll say this again: Every copy of the Superman Motion Picture Anthology has both cuts. Not the three packs. Not the solo release. THIS (http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Superman-Motion-Picture-Anthology-Blu-ray/20003/).

Yes, the 3 hour cut was made for advertisements. IMDB wouldn't list such things there, but probably in the trivia section.

Sorry about that. Still don't get your damn claims about missing cuts though.

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Here's The DVD (https://mega.nz/#!cYlThCCT!lJ96u_sHeqw5ZrCu0QBDW3SyceA8v_cPSQVSVRJuOdE) then. Probably won't be much different, but it's there.

I'll say this again: [B]Every copy of the Superman Motion Picture Anthology has both cuts.

And i'll say this again - No

I bought the 5 disc Superman Motion Picture Anthology. This does NOT have the extended cut, just the theatrical. The theatrical cut disc does NOT have the isolated. It is ONLY available on the disc with the extended version.

Fact.

EDIT: And thanks sparktank for providing the AC3 :) appreciated!

THIS box set of Superman (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Anthology-collection-1978-2006-Steelbook-collectors/dp/B01DJD2HRI/ref=sr_1_2?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1470819818&sr=1-2&keywords=superman+motion+picture+anthology) doesn't hold any of the additional discs but does have the extended cut.

I was under the impression this is what Calidoran bought but that has the expanded version too. I don't know what version he bought. There's too many :p

EDIT: I think we're finally getting somewhere. @Calidoran, is THIS (http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Superman-Collection-Anthology-Blu-ray-5-Movie-Disc-Set-Complete-1978-2006-/261974694768) the version you have? I know it doesn't really benefit the discussion but I'm VERY interested in knowing what version you have :)

Well ;) actually, mine is labeled the same as the 8 disc - The Superman Motion Picture Anthology 1978-2006 (only 5 disc)

Everyone just make sure to get the 8 disc or the single disc WITH the extended version and NOT the theatrical and you should all be good to go. I am not, but at least i got the chance of getting the AC3 with the isolated score now. Too bad about not getting the extended versions of Superman and Superman II though, but who knows - the correct box might pop up in a sale some time :)

Thank you for this!

A question:
do you have any idea for a software convertor AC3 to AIF or MP3 (keeping the multichannel) ?

thanks

Newly taken pics (a little grainy). The text at the top of the rear cover just pisses me off :( "THE COMPLETE BLU-RAY MOVIE COLLECTION"

Yeah, right

Quick Question Going A Tad Off Topic.

Does The Batman V Superman Have An Isolated Score? And If So Is Anyone Planning A Collection? :ashine:

Quick Question Going A Tad Off Topic.

Does The Batman V Superman Have An Isolated Score? And If So Is Anyone Planning A Collection? :ashine:

http://www.dvdcompare.net/comparisons/film.php?fid=37939

Doesn't seem to be an isolated score on that one

Thank you bro

http://www.dvdcompare.net/comparisons/film.php?fid=37939

Doesn't seem to be an isolated score on that one

Damn! :(

Quick Question Going A Tad Off Topic.

Does The Batman V Superman Have An Isolated Score? And If So Is Anyone Planning A Collection? :ashine:

Isolated scores are unfortunately very rare. Most new films don't have them. :sad:
It's usually only the classics that receive that sort of treatment.

DAMN!!!
That Was The Only One I Wanted...

*Cries*

Thanks

convert AC3 to AIF or MP3 (keeping the multichannel) ?

Mp3 doesn't support multichannel.
There is a version of MP3 that does, but no hardware player or streamer will support it. And not all software supports it either.
Development was abandonded so it's extremely useless and stupid.

Unfortunately, it requires a lot of work and software.
And learning new software. Something I know most don't care to do here.

Windows only:
0) Make sure iTunes is installed
1) Install Foobar2000 (https://www.foobar2000.org/download)
2) Install encoder pack (https://www.foobar2000.org/encoderpack)
3) Install AC3 decoder (https://www.foobar2000.org/components/view/foo_ac3)
4) load Ac3 file into FB2K
5) Rlight-click on it and look for AAC encoder and encode it

Or just play this in VLC Media Player.

Note that there are long gaps of silence in the audio as it's a direct rip with no editing.
It matches the runtime of the Restoration bluray.





:shock: Complete cartoons! I remember those.

:shock: Complete cartoons! I remember those.

Now THOSE I want isolated scores to! Fleischer had a HUGE budget for them and you can really tell. Even cartoons today don't compare to the Fleischer animation.
Tinberg's music is lost AFAIK though. :(

I don't like modern cartoons so much today.

They're not even cartoons anymore so much as they are CG.
And the budget for CG TV is always horrible unless you're backed by Disney.

The Transformers CG and Batman CG was pure garbage.
The only thing people have to say is the story. But for gods sakes, just make it a radio show and save all that useless money.
Even the ReBoot series was god awful CG. I can't even bring myself to watch 1 episode.

For those interested - a rough tracklist based on the names from the Rhino release:

01 - Prelude and Main Title March & The Planet Krypton, Part I
02 - The Planet Krypton, Part II
03 - The Planet Krypton, Part III
04 - Destruction of Krypton, Part I
05 - Destruction of Krypton, Part II
06 - Star Ship Escapes, Part I
07 - Star Ship Escapes, Part II
08 - The Trip to Earth
09 - Growing Up, Part I
10 - Growing Up, Part II
11 - Growing Up, Part III
12 - Death of Jonathan Kent
13 - Leaving Home, Part I
14 - Leaving Home, Part II & The Fortress of Solitude
15 - Welcome to Metropolis, Part I
16 - Welcome to Metropolis, Part II
17 - Lex Luthor's Lair, Part I
18 - Lex Luthor's Lair, Part II
19 - The Big Rescue & Super Crime Fighter
20 - Super Rescues, Part I
21 - Super Rescues, Part II
22 -
23 - The Terrace
24 - The Flying Sequence
25 - Lois and Clark
26 - Crime of the Century, Part I
27 - Crime of the Century, Part II
28 - Crime of the Century, Part III
29 - Sonic Greeting
30 - Misguided Missiles and Kryptonite, Part I
31 - Misguided Missiles and Kryptonite, Part II
32 - Chasing Rockets
33 - Superfeats, Part I
34 - Superfeats, Part II
35 - Superfeats, Part III
36 - Super Dam and Finding Lois
37 - Turning Back the World
38 - Finale and End Title March & End Credits

I had a quick listen/compare and couldn't place track 22, so if anyone can help? :)

thanks

thank you

The complete tracklist would look something like follows (for more info, check out the latest posts in my Isolated Scores thread)

Tracklist:

01 - Prelude and Main Title March & The Planet Krypton, Part I (6:36)
02 - The Planet Krypton, Part II (2:29)
03 - The Planet Krypton, Part III (1:28)
04 - Destruction of Krypton, Part I (1:42)
05 - Destruction of Krypton, Part II (2:50)
06 - Star Ship Escapes, Part I (0:28)
07 - Star Ship Escapes, Part II (0:32)
08 - The Trip to Earth (2:18)
09 - Growing Up, Part I (0:33)
10 - Growing Up, Part II (0:29)
11 - Growing Up, Part III (1:31)
12 - Death of Jonathan Kent (3:22)
13 - Leaving Home, Part I (1:34)
14 - Leaving Home, Part II & The Fortress of Solitude (12:04)
15 - Welcome to Metropolis, Part I (0:21)
16 - Welcome to Metropolis, Part II (0:44)
17 - Lex Luthor's Lair, Part I (1:10)
18 - Lex Luthor's Lair, Part II (1:03)
19 - The Big Rescue & Super Crime Fighter (8:00)
20 - Super Rescues, Part I (0:52)
21 - Super Rescues, Part II (0:45)
22 - Consulting Jor-El (2:15)
23 - The Terrace (1:30)
24 - The Flying Sequence (7:46)
25 - Lois and Clark (0:47)
26 - Crime of the Century, Part I (1:16)
27 - Crime of the Century, Part II (0:25)
28 - Crime of the Century, Part III (1:27)
29 - Sonic Greeting (1:44)
30 - Misguided Missiles and Kryptonite, Part I (1:00)
31 - Misguided Missiles and Kryptonite, Part II (2:05)
32 - Chasing Rockets (3:24)
33 - Superfeats, Part I (0:12)
34 - Superfeats, Part II (0:58)
35 - Superfeats, Part III (0:50)
36 - Super Dam and Finding Lois (5:09)
37 - Turning Back the World (2:05)
38 - Finale and End Title March & End Credits (10:02)

Running Time: 1:33:46

Bonus Tracks:

01 - Main Titles (6:04)
02 - Alternate Main Titles (3:48)
03 - The Council's Decision (7:52)
04 - The Krypton Quake (2:23)
05 - More Mugger & Introducing Otis (6:44)
06 - Airforce One (1:23)
07 - Chasing Rockets (3:37)
08 - Can You Read My Mind (pop version) (3:03)

Running Time: 34:54

Total Time: 2:08:40

Thanks. Hearing the isolated music is so much different than the original LP Record. Wow. Great Job.

Can you re-up please?

thx

yeah please! me too! thanks!

Can you re-up please?

thx



yeah please! me too! thanks!

You are both aware that the upload was an AC3-file in surround (5.1)? And that it was more than 2� hours long with long parts of silence? In other words the UN-edited original file straight from the bluray.

Yes sir. I'm dying for this score.

Could we please have a re-upload of this isolated score, one of my favorites from John Williams.

Thank You so much in advance.

Could we please have a re-upload of this isolated score, one of my favorites from John Williams.

Thank You so much in advance.

Did you want sparktank's un-edited original AC3-file or did you want the cut up edited version? If so, you know where to find it ;)

Does someone have this? If so, please send a link/PM?

is this the same as the screen archives superman boxset?