Hello everybody,

Has everyone the Ultimate Fanmade Soundtrack from Terminator 2 ?


http://www.hopeofthefuture.net/music/music_terminator2ultimatesoundtrack.html

I'm also interested!

Oh here we go....

It probably sounds like shit.

"He extracted the complete score of the 6 audiochannels of the Terminator 2 DVD, and mixed them into audio tracks."

If this is true, this man did not do anything special. Unless HopeOfTheFuture/Maurice himself, or the man who mixed it, confirms that there are no SFX, I am going to assume that it's just the front and rear channels weaving in and out in order to sound almost okay.

Oh here we go....

It's really obvious they didn't actually read the description. They looked at the track list and immediately think it's out there in the open, even though only two people in the world have it. How wonderful.

---------- Post added at 06:22 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:21 PM ----------


It probably sounds like shit.

"He extracted the complete score of the 6 audiochannels of the Terminator 2 DVD, and mixed them into audio tracks."

If this is true, this man did not do anything special. Unless HopeOfTheFuture/Maurice himself, or the man who mixed it, confirms that there are no SFX, I am going to assume that it's just the front and rear channels weaving in and out in order to sound almost okay.

Is there anything else they did to prove their "skill?"

Is there anything else they did to prove their "skill?"

I believe Mr. Kuczynski is a young up-and-coming filmmaker who has been fascinated with Cameron's Terminator since childhood. Nothing to suggest he's an audio wizard who can magically remove sound effects, but I'd love to be proven wrong.

I'd love to hear how it's "pure music".
I don't think the movie is so old that the sfx would be exclusively in the center channel only.

It would have to be a very limited release of the DVD with that special kind of audio mix.
I'm pretty certain that most DVD's gotten a 5.1 mix for everyone who spent thousands of dollars on a German or Japanese sounding surround sound receiver.

I'd love to hear how it's "pure music".
I don't think the movie is so old that the sfx would be exclusively in the center channel only.

Mr. Gold uploaded the audio for his copy of the film for me. I forget exactly what exact DVD it was, or if he even told me, but it was older than the Blu-ray releases, I think. The rear channels were dual mono with SFX and sometimes even dialogue mixed in. Plus, the music, being electronic, had some stuff divvied up through the channels (even in the center!)

I've poked around certain forums before and people have discussed the differences between the sound mixes. Things only got surround-ier as time went on.

As I said, I'm fairly certain this is nothing special.

I�m sure there will be a new and expanded score in fall for the 25th anniversary.

I�m sure there will be a new and expanded score in fall for the 25th anniversary.

They would've announced it by now. Besides, there's a whole bunch of issues surrounding the score to even make it possibility. Hate to say it, but there's nothing for now.

The latest reissue of "The Terminator" was released out of nowhere in spring. And there will be a new 3D conversion by the end of the year for the anniversary. What could be a better time to release this classic, which never got a proper complete score?

And unless (and until) someone steps up and PROVES by samples that there are no sfx/speech and ALL of the music is kept, this is complete and utter BS. There is no magic to work. It's as simple as the sfx/speech occupying the SAME frequencies as the music sometimes. You CANNOT remove one and not the other.

This is not saying you cannot do a good job at it, but it. will. not. be. perfect.

"There are no special or movie sounds in the score, it's pure the music."

Yeah. Right.

"However, this is a rare soundtrack. Only the 2 names mentioned above have it, since an agreement was made that it would not be shared."

Pathetic. They probably put it on extra big USB Sticks and shoved it up each other's Bums.

This is a fanmade soundtrack, mostly created by Jakub Kuczynski.

... there you stop reading.

Is this just a re-creation of the complete score? LOL

Alright, that's it. Time to bust out my copy of the 2009 Endoskull Collector's Edition and rip both the "Extreme Edition" DVD and the "Ultimate Edition" DVD. See what's different and what can be done with them.

The latest reissue of "The Terminator" was released out of nowhere in spring. And there will be a new 3D conversion by the end of the year for the anniversary. What could be a better time to release this classic, which never got a proper complete score?

Listen, if "the master being destroyed in a fire" is a common thing I keep hearing, then there's little chance. Even that release is just a remaster of a previous release, like Robocop. We have to be really lucky to even have a rerecording.

---------- Post added at 07:21 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:19 PM ----------


Alright, that's it. Time to bust out my copy of the 2009 Endoskull Collector's Edition and rip both the "Extreme Edition" DVD and the "Ultimate Edition" DVD. See what's different and what can be done with them.

I would've done the same when my copy arrived, but I'm not familiar with audio ripping. Would someone offer me something to help?

Listen, if "the master being destroyed in a fire" is a common thing I keep hearing, then there's little chance. Even that release is just a remaster of a previous release, like Robocop. We have to be really lucky to even have a rerecording.

I've never found a source for this "fire destroying the masters" myth. Even if a copy of the virgin score is lost forever (which I doubt very much) there must at least be final mix stems for the film since it's always being remixed for whatever new format is hip and new.


I would've done the same when my copy arrived, but I'm not familiar with audio ripping. Would someone offer me something to help?

Do you have a DVD drive for your computer?

---------- Post added at 10:31 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:29 PM ----------


And unless (and until) someone steps up and PROVES by samples that there are no sfx/speech and ALL of the music is kept, this is complete and utter BS. There is no magic to work. It's as simple as the sfx/speech occupying the SAME frequencies as the music sometimes. You CANNOT remove one and not the other.

Everyone, read this until it's burned into your skull. It is impossible to create a music-only complete score from just the 5.1 mix to this film. You people have been falling for a hoax for years.

I have the options of Dolby Surround, Dolby Pro Logic II and then 5.1. Which to go with?

5.1

Dolby Surround is just fake 5.1 and Pro Logic is the same thing.

I've never found a source for this "fire destroying the masters" myth. Even if a copy of the virgin score is lost forever (which I doubt very much) there must at least be final mix stems for the film since it's always being remixed for whatever new format is hip and new.



Do you have a DVD drive for your computer?

---------- Post added at 10:31 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:29 PM ----------



Everyone, read this until it's burned into your skull. It is impossible to create a music-only complete score from just the 5.1 mix to this film. You people have been falling for a hoax for years.

I suppose so. Why they sit on a release is beyond me.

I do. If I have a computer that can't read CDs and DVDs, then it ain't worth it.

Aight

If I have a computer that can't read CDs and DVDs, then it ain't worth it.

Just checkin'.

I'm going to do some research tomorrow on all the Terminator DVDs/Blu-rays with unique sound mixes. I don't want anyone to do anything superfluous.

The latest reissue of "The Terminator" was released out of nowhere in spring.

Yes, it's just part of the whole NWR presents Milan remasters thing. Look it up. The Terminator came out in 1984, it's been 32 years. No anniversary in 2016, therefore nothing special.


And there will be a new 3D conversion by the end of the year for the anniversary. What could be a better time to release this classic, which never got a proper complete score?

Yes. I read this back in December when it was announced. And then I googled it again last night. The latest is that it's only being released in China since it was never released in theaters there. No word on a US release (if any).

If it's impossible to have a score only sound from 5.1 mixes, then why are people so convinced? Do they pretend they don't hear any SFX or have magic to make it disappear from their ears? It's rather silly.

---------- Post added at 07:40 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:38 PM ----------


Just checkin'.

I'm going to do some research tomorrow on all the Terminator DVDs/Blu-rays with unique sound mixes. I don't want anyone to do anything superfluous.

Good luck! Rather trust someone experienced than a newcomer.

---------- Post added at 07:45 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:40 PM ----------


Yes, it's just part of the whole NWR presents Milan remasters thing. Look it up. The Terminator came out in 1984, it's been 32 years. No anniversary in 2016, therefore nothing special.



Yes. I read this back in December when it was announced. And then I googled it again last night. The latest is that it's only being released in China since it was never released in theaters there. No word on a US release (if any).

I figured that's why. I've yet to receive a link for the Robocop one.

Of course. If China are the only people willing to accept Genisys, then they'll get something "special."

If it's impossible to have a score only sound from 5.1 mixes, then why are people so convinced? Do they pretend they don't hear any SFX or have magic to make it disappear from their ears? It's rather silly.

It's easy to fall into the misconception, when you're an audio newbie, that 5.1 mixes essentially have an isolated score.
They CAN - and I've found some - BUT they're usually found in DTV films or cartoons, where they did a cheap and rushed job of it. I've heard once of it being a creative choice by the director but that's only one instance. The rest of these "isolated score" 5.1 mixes can be chalked up to quick 'n dirty work by the sound team.

Big-budget films ALWAYS have busy rear activity. Maybe not explosions, but at least enough stuff going on to make music ripping tough.
7.1 isn't anything special either. It's usually just the rear channels duplicated or choice sound effects.

---------- Post added at 10:51 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:45 PM ----------


Of course. If China are the only people willing to accept Genisys, then they'll get something "special."

If the Chinese love shitty American films... just imagine how awful Chinese films must be.

Well, if anyone wants to have a go at it (definitely not me), i could rip my Ultimate DVD Edition with theatrical and Director's cut (5.1 Dolby Digital) and on top of that my bluray with Theatrical Cut, Special Edition and Extreme Special Edition (6.1 DTS HDMA). Not sure if there would actually be any difference between the DVD and the bluray, but they aren't setup the same channel-wise at least so there might be.

Send me a PM if you're interested. As i said, i'm not doing this. Too much work with too bad results. There are only two or three scores that i would even consider doing it with. But... i'll rip the audiostreams and have a listen, just for the "fun" of it.

I can also add to the discussion that what Skelly says above is true. The DVDs/blurays that are mixed so the music lies practically undisturbed in channels of their own are RARE. Most have the sfx/speech mixed in all channels BUT they also usually have the music mixed in all channels, so by trying to use say the rear channels you would almost certainly miss the music present in the rest of the chanels. In the case of a song, all you would end up with is the echo of the singing since that is almost a center channel exclusive.

EDIT: The bluray incorrectly states the audiostreams to be 6.1, but they are in fact 5.1.

Here is a spreadsheet containing my findings of the various sound mixes produced for this film (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1I0qKW-Tbxt5_Bb9Gsth0NsOimboKtj9tyFvyuSCfGY4/edit?usp=sharing). I only included surround sound mixes - I did not pay attention to any mono or stereo mixes that might have been made. I also did not look into what might be available on Laserdisc. If anyone has any other info to add, please let me know!


EDIT: The bluray incorrectly states the audiostreams to be 6.1, but they are in fact 5.1.

Interesting. You're sure you were looking at the full mix and not just the core?
Did they port the Dolby EX or DTS ES to the BD? :confused:

The Skynet edition Blu-ray has a French audio track (the rear pair) which has fewer fx, but annoyingly has had the bass removed. Worth checking out for the scene when the fuzz, I mean the police arrive at the Cyberdine building.

And unless (and until) someone steps up and PROVES by samples that there are no sfx/speech and ALL of the music is kept, this is complete and utter BS. There is no magic to work. It's as simple as the sfx/speech occupying the SAME frequencies as the music sometimes. You CANNOT remove one and not the other.

Exactly. Unless the score is isolated on a separate track, you are going to get a rip with six/speech in it.

Also, it's worth pointing out: even if the master tapes were lost in a fire (I still have never found a source for this), THE STEMS ARE TOTALLY ACCESSIBLE.

WSR Sun: Did you work with the stems, or just the final mix?

Rydstrom: I worked from the final mix stems, so I had the dialogue, music and effects separate and was able to do some remixing from those. (http://www.widescreenreview.com/news_exdetail.php?title=vanling)

Listen, if "the master being destroyed in a fire" is a common thing I keep hearing, then there's little chance. Even that release is just a remaster of a previous release, like Robocop. We have to be really lucky to even have a rerecording.[COLOR="Silver"]

I really doubt a fire destroyed the masters. I think it's an excuse, comment or notion that gained traction and acceptance. More likely, there's no desire, incentive - money - or interest in finding the originals or sessions or stems and mastering them and "destroyed by fire" is a convenient excuse.

The box office failure of Terminator: Genisys certainly won't light a fire under anyone to devote the time and energy to unearthing and releasing a complete score. Interest in Terminator as a film franchise seems dead and unlikely to rise again.

Who knows what might happen when the rights revert to Cameron. I don't know if the film holds a place in Cameron's heart the way Aliens does to the point where his team went back and fixed some of the issues with the film.

Mastering T2 for 4K release might be that opportunity to release a truly "ultimate edition." But I'm not holding my breath.

Then again, I doubted we'd ever see an official release of Volcano's score and we got one, so sometimes with enough lift, pigs really do fly.

Interesting. You're sure you were looking at the full mix and not just the core?
Did they port the Dolby EX or DTS ES to the BD? :confused:

EAC3TO reports:
DTS Master Audio, English, 5.1 Channels, 24 bits, 48 kHz
(core: DTS-ES, 5.1 channels, 1509 kbps, 48 kHz)

HAS IT ANYONE MAYBE ALREADY ?

There was an atempt a few years ago on T2 called "Full Movie Version Score" Which I thought was apretty good edit with very very minor SFX (50-55 tracks)
This was ofcourse also a "fan cut" but a good one (the best out there yet I�ve heard)

There was an atempt a few years ago on T2 called "Full Movie Version Score" Which I thought was apretty good edit with very very minor SFX (50-55 tracks)
This was ofcourse also a "fan cut" but a good one (the best out there yet I�ve heard)

I've never seen (nor clearly heard) this edit, do you happen to have it? I'm interested in checking it out.

There was an atempt a few years ago on T2 called "Full Movie Version Score" Which I thought was apretty good edit with very very minor SFX (50-55 tracks)
This was ofcourse also a "fan cut" but a good one (the best out there yet I�ve heard)


Do you have it for Download Please?

I'm also interested, please.

In other related news, Linda Hamilton has joined the new Terminator trilogy. There's hope. :-)

I'm also interested, please.

In other related news, Linda Hamilton has joined the new Terminator trilogy. There's hope. :-)

Hope? I wouldn't go that far. Let's wait and see what Cameron gives us.

Three movies. The Terminator lives.

Where i can get this ? I am very interested

Ditto here

THEY ARENT SHARING DONT BOTHER