View Full Version : Thread 203432">Mahler - Sym # 10 (Carpenter �Completion�) - Litton-Dallas Sym [CD Rip - FLAC]



bobtheknob
04-21-2016, 04:57 AM
Sharing has concluded.



Thanks for your support
& participation, it was fun!

ArtRock
04-21-2016, 06:06 AM
Interesting - thanks for the share!

corysun
04-21-2016, 06:45 AM
I love Mahler's sym.
Thanks for sharing.

Lukas70
04-21-2016, 09:04 AM
Oh yes, I say THANKS!

pjmontana
04-21-2016, 10:35 AM
Thank you bobtheknob for another unique Mahler posting.

Gattinger1
04-21-2016, 10:38 AM
Thank you very much for this!

jakegittis
04-21-2016, 02:35 PM
Thanks for the share.

gpdlt2010
04-21-2016, 02:52 PM
Thanks!

swkirby
04-21-2016, 09:45 PM
Thanks. Look forward to hearing this... scott

Ozon528
04-21-2016, 10:28 PM
Nice one, thanks!

tangotreats
04-21-2016, 11:18 PM
Thank you so much for this... I'm inclined to agree with Mr Duggan's review, however.

This isn't Mahler... this is Mahler filtered through the mind of another composer who doesn't quite "get" the source material. Carpenter gives his own ego far too much airtime here. It sometimes sounds like an "orchestration-off" (as in "dance-off") in which Carpenter is trying to out-Mahler Mahler and shoehorn this music into a late-Scriabin soundworld with nothing more sophisticated than (pardon the language; it is crude but hopefully effective) a metric fuck-tonne of notes that come raining down all over Mahler and wash away his essence in a sea of show-off arrangements.

"What to do" with Mahler's 10th is, of course, a question that has many different answers - ranging from "leave it completely alone", to Deryck Cooke's "Just the facts, ma'am!" performing version, all the way through to hyper-interventionist "completions" like this. As far as I'm concerned, the only person who could "complete" the work is Mahler and he died before he could do it. It cannot be completed, not ever - any attempt to do so is going to end up as some other composer doing Mahler pastiche. All that can be done is to take the music that Mahler did complete and do the barest minimum necessary to make it performable. Therefore, my "comfort" with Mahler's 10th begins and ends with Cooke. Anything further can be very interesting (as Carpenter's version is) but is, to my mind, emphatically not Mahler's 10th or indeed Mahler's anything.

Putting words in the mouth of a dead man, I think, is distasteful... particularly when we're talking about words that belong to a story as complex and deeply personal as Mahler's 10th Symphony - a story of infidelity, sadness, fear of death, sickness, and depression.

bobtheknob
04-22-2016, 03:14 AM
@ tangotreats - For what it's worth, I agree that Deryck Cooke's version should be viewed as the most preferable of the ones out there. http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg548/dsphipps100/nod.gif I don't mind if somebody wants to experiment with "What might Mahler have done", such as Carpenter did, and it's fun to hear the results of their speculations, but I do agree that it's important for the listener to bear in mind how much of it is Mahler and how much of it is somebody else.

I appreciate you sharing your thoughts. http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg548/dsphipps100/thumb.gif

gundom
05-17-2016, 04:59 PM
Thank you share!

blackie74
09-13-2016, 11:32 AM
thanks

Paio Soutomaior
09-25-2016, 09:19 AM
Thanks a lot!

lorddsp
09-25-2016, 10:14 AM
thanks a lot

Petros
09-25-2016, 06:51 PM
Thank you very much!

Pinpon10
09-26-2016, 08:14 AM
Thanks :)

bobtheknob
10-16-2016, 06:52 PM
This package is now restored and is available again for download.
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