HateBreed... not METAL!
I hate how all those damn shows put HateBreed and all in the metal catogories... and I also hate to see Metal kids thrashing their heads at HxC shows.

It infuriates me...

and hey, I'm not saying Metal kids are bad, cuz I have metal kids that are friends, but to see them at my shows... damn... go to your own...

hahaha. You're funny.

um...? :D

Papa roach are metal.

what ever

:)

Papa roach are metal.

More like xXxEMOxMETALxCORExXx!!!!!111111111

HateBreed... not METAL!
I hate how all those damn shows put HateBreed and all in the metal catogories... and I also hate to see Metal kids thrashing their heads at HxC shows.

It infuriates me...

and hey, I'm not saying Metal kids are bad, cuz I have metal kids that are friends, but to see them at my shows... damn... go to your own...
wouldn't it be "I have friends that are metal kids"? Otherwise it's like saying "I have kids!"

yeah but what if ur a metal kid and a HxC kid?........i like both...but i am not a nu metal kid...nor am i an old metal kid....im more speed/death/thrash metal kid....and i like hardcore to

what bands do u consider hardcore creek?

Dude, how about you just narrow it all down to just being a fucking metalhead instead of breaking it into catagories.

what ever

I honesly don't see why you even bother posting, if you have nothing to say at all, keep shutting up.

Dude, how about you just narrow it all down to just being a fucking meathead instead of breaking it into catagories.

Meathead? I resent that! XP

I don't go moshing... I like to watch it... hehehe. I see people get bloody noses all the time..

What do I consider Hardcore? Anything not Metal... lol, no really j/k

Remembering Never, HateBreed, Bleeding Through, Bury Your Dead, ThrowDown, Rage Aganst the Machine, Green Terrace, Blood of the Martyr(sp...?), and Shockwave... it sucks that they only do one concert a year tho...

That's all I can think of tho...

You're defensive about "your" hardcore shows and you don't even dance? Geez! Take out some of that aggression at the show instead of on a message board. Unless you're too scared that the big bad metal kids are going to hurt you.

Really, if you're that bothered by what kind of kids show up at the concerts you attend, you are the one with the problem, not them. Music scenes should be about unity, not division. So get with the program and welcome the "metal kids" to "your" hardcore shows.

So u call yourself hardcore and u dont even mosh?....PATHETIC

and Hatebreed and Rage Against the Machine are not hardcore.....*sigh*


Dude, how about you just narrow it all down to just being a fucking metalhead instead of breaking it into catagories.

and im not going to say im jsut a metal head becuase theres certain kinds of metal i dont like.....such as metallica nad pretty much EVERY nu metal band (i.e. Static-X, Linkin Park, Korn, Mudvayne....i hate them all)

So u call yourself hardcore and u dont even mosh?....PATHETIC


O_o

I'd like to specify: My comment above about him not even dancing was because I don't understand what his problem is if he doesn't feel that the metal kids are ruining his dancing experience somehow. If he just watches, it shouldn't really matter.

There's nothing wrong with not moshing if you don't want to!

That isn't the point... Metal kids don't even join the moshing... you see them over in the corner, in their little group throwing their heads up and down; trying to be HxC. They can like the music... but don't be a metal kid at a HxC concert, be a HxC kid at a HxC concert. Thrash your head at Metal concerts, mosh at hardcore concerts.

And, um, big bad metal kids my ass. There are few... but enough for the HxC kids to get mad.

I know Creek personally (same school) and I've seen her with Metal friends. But they don't talk about their music, just what else they have in common. They don't go to "her" shows, she doesn't go to "theirs".

I have Metal friends too... and it's the same way with us.

And, you don't have to mosh if you don't want to... personally, I do, but you see girls get messed up in there... I'm lucky if I don't get a bloody nose x.x

That isn't the point... Metal kids don't even join the moshing... you see them over in the corner, in their little group throwing their heads up and down; trying to be HxC. They can like the music... but don't be a metal kid at a HxC concert, be a HxC kid at a HxC concert. Thrash your head at Metal concerts, mosh at hardcore concerts.



My point is this: If they are not even directly interfering with your enjoyment of the show, how the fuck are they bothering him? Seriously, being bothered just by the presence of people who are dancing differently than you is pretty fucking stupid. People are so caught up on these stupid fucking genre wars. What the fuck? You're hanging onto an insanely petty sense of false ownership. I doubt the bands give a shit if "metal" kids come to their shows; they're probably happy to have as many people in attendance as possible, regardless of what scene they appear to belong to. You should have the same attitude. If you like a band, be glad others like it even if it isn't the style they normally listen to.

well said

I second that well said
i also dont understand it

and to blood angel: So metal kids automatically mosh there heads?.....i get in pits to headbang and mosh
not only do i move my head but i get a bit HARDCORE and i punch ppl and make them bleed

u guys think u know what the essence of hardcore is but u dont

not only do i move my head but i get a bit HARDCORE and i punch ppl and make them bleed

u guys think u know what the essence of hardcore is but u dont


Laffo.

I used to sing in a hardcore influenced metal band. The kids that liked us were divided. The ones that were into HXC said we were hardcore. The metal kids said we were metal. It was stupid. We just wanted to make noise. HXC is so poser these days...too much bollocks about a scene and not enough about music. Good metal is dead. Not many great metal bands about that haven't peaked already. That is my almighty opinion anyway...but what the fuck do I know...

haha. New sig quote.

My point is this: If they are not even directly interfering with your enjoyment of the show, how the fuck are they bothering him? Seriously, being bothered just by the presence of people who are dancing differently than you is pretty fucking stupid. People are so caught up on these stupid fucking genre wars. What the fuck? You're hanging onto an insanely petty sense of false ownership. I doubt the bands give a shit if "metal" kids come to their shows; they're probably happy to have as many people in attendance as possible, regardless of what scene they appear to belong to. You should have the same attitude. If you like a band, be glad others like it even if it isn't the style they normally listen to.
Quoted for truth. Maybe you should just close all the genre wars threads and post this on them.

Yeah, but I don't believe in closing threads out of distaste for them. If people want to contribute something to those discussions I believe they have the right to. Fortunately, we have a right to know they're stupid. :D

do u like my quote terry kun?

Oh, I'm very fond of it.

pits........... i like them...... from a safe distance..... but each one has its own way to enjoy the music,rigth?, and you can tell me wath groups they hear? that you automatically call them "metal kids", i bet they and you dont even know wath kind of metal are listening to!! (at lest some of them)..... if they punch someone not necesarily makes them metal kids, they can also be stupids, or they just want to do it (dont know why , and dont care).

pits........... i like them...... from a safe distance..... but each one has its own way to enjoy the music,rigth?, and you can tell me wath groups they hear? that you automatically call them "metal kids", i bet they and you dont even know wath kind of metal are listening to!! (at lest some of them)..... if they punch someone not necesarily makes them metal kids, they can also be stupids, or they just want to do it (dont know why , and dont care).

Where are you from?

Hungary..... why?....
i recently move to Venezuela with a girlfriend..... i speak spanish better than english, but... i still suck...

I second that well said
i also dont understand it

and to blood angel: So metal kids automatically mosh there heads?.....i get in pits to headbang and mosh
not only do i move my head but i get a bit HARDCORE and i punch ppl and make them bleed

u guys think u know what the essence of hardcore is but u dont
If you go into mosh pits punching people you will one day get punched. Hard. Unless you're even more of a pussy, and only punch people either smaller than you or hide the moment you see one turn on you. Trust me. If you were in any pit worth it's salt, you'd be brought down if you repeatedly punched people, not the least me.

It seems to you that "hardcore" is synonymous with "being an antisocial cunt."

You people are the reason that metal gets a bad rep these days. Violent little shitbags who think that GOING CRAZY AND HARDCORE AND BEATING THE SHIT OUT OF PEOPLE IS GREAT BECAUSE ITS METAL RAW RAW RAW DESTROY. Fuckers like you got rock banned from woodstock (Hi, Limp Bizkit), and in general stop people who don't want to or CAN'T deal with your shit from enjoying a gig from anywhere within five metres of the stage.

If you were truly "hardcore," you'd love the music, not causing people trouble for trying to.

You fucking dipshit.

Hungary..... why?....


Just curious. Your English is pretty decent for a second language.

third actually...... i also speak spanish....
and you?


i think its better continue in private messages... but nice to meet you

I'm American... and speak nothing besides English.

Acctually, my brother (HxC) has talked to a few Hard core bands. He and a friend had backstage passes to OzzFest, sadly, I couldn't go (family issues). They met Hate Breed... and Hate Breed said "We consider ourselves Hard Core..."

Rage Against the Machine- sorry, I didn't mean to put them in... they're alternative...

And as for HxC and Metal kids...
Alright, I resign, you win Terry-kun. I was a bit harsh about it, and, i don't know, but I do agree with what Blood Angel said...


They can like the music... but don't be a metal kid at a HxC concert, be a HxC kid at a HxC concert. Thrash your head at Metal concerts, mosh at hardcore concerts.

They met Hate Breed... and Hate Breed said "We consider ourselves Hard Core..."


Laffo.

They can like the music... but don't be a metal kid at a HxC concert, be a HxC kid at a HxC concert. Thrash your head at Metal concerts, mosh at hardcore concerts.

So what happens if I like both? I need to know how to define myself by the music I listen to so that I can appropriately fit into one of these crowds. Please help.

... um...

I said it before, and I'll say it again.


Dude, how about you just narrow it all down to just being a fucking metalhead instead of breaking it into catagories.


You people are the reason that metal gets a bad rep these days. Violent little shitbags who think that GOING CRAZY AND HARDCORE AND BEATING THE SHIT OUT OF PEOPLE IS GREAT BECAUSE ITS METAL RAW RAW RAW DESTROY. Fuckers like you got rock banned from woodstock (Hi, Limp Bizkit), and in general stop people who don't want to or CAN'T deal with your shit from enjoying a gig from anywhere within five metres of the stage.

If you were truly "hardcore," you'd love the music, not causing people trouble for trying to.

You fucking dipshit.

Finally I can agree with MMM for once. Metal was always about music and fucking shit up, not some wanker flailing his arm around like he's trying to shit a dildo out. They're called headbangers, not "lets flail our arms like retards"

And another thing that pisses me off is the whole "sold out" thing. If you truly think about it, the fucking band sold out once they signed that god damn record contract. I am a huge metal fan, but I don't go around saying I'm "Hardcore" and "Underground," I listen to the music and enjoy it.

Metal was always about music and fucking shit up,
Fucking shit up?
Why do you even have to do that? Why not just enjoy the goddamn sound?! Goddamnit.

I agree with Lord Abortion on the second point. But, I don't "fuck shit up", as you so eloquently put it.

Fenix TX si metal they have a song that goes:

"YOU WANNA FUCK SHIT UP, WELL MOTHERFUCKIN COME ON!!!!!!!!!1"

If you go into mosh pits punching people you will one day get punched. Hard. Unless you're even more of a pussy, and only punch people either smaller than you or hide the moment you see one turn on you. Trust me. If you were in any pit worth it's salt, you'd be brought down if you repeatedly punched people, not the least me.

It seems to you that "hardcore" is synonymous with "being an antisocial cunt."

You people are the reason that metal gets a bad rep these days. Violent little shitbags who think that GOING CRAZY AND HARDCORE AND BEATING THE SHIT OUT OF PEOPLE IS GREAT BECAUSE ITS METAL RAW RAW RAW DESTROY. Fuckers like you got rock banned from woodstock (Hi, Limp Bizkit), and in general stop people who don't want to or CAN'T deal with your shit from enjoying a gig from anywhere within five metres of the stage.

If you were truly "hardcore," you'd love the music, not causing people trouble for trying to.

You fucking dipshit.

im not a violent little shit bag you mother fucker. i only said that i like pits...doesnt mean i am in love with violence, just means pits are fun.
and nowhere did it say that i think going crazy and beating the shit out of stuff is metal. man you are a moron. and i'm not hardcore im a metal head to the core. i love metal music you stupid cunt you are making assumptions based upon nothing man. most times i prefer to avoid pits and hurting all together. and im not 1 bit antisocial. i have NO IDEA where you got that bit from. im the most social person out of like all of my friends hahahaha.
your just making me laugh by ranting on about supposedly knowing what im all about.

You just said that you punch and kick people and make them bleed in mosh pits.

You are therefore a violent person. Sorry, no way around it.

Fucking shit up?
Why do you even have to do that? Why not just enjoy the goddamn sound?! Goddamnit.

It's part of that "Metal Attitude" that I never really follow. I'm too lazy to fuck shit up so I just listen to it.

i move my head but i get a bit HARDCORE and i punch ppl and make them bleed

u guys think u know what the essence of hardcore is but u dont


You just said that you punch and kick people and make them bleed in mosh pits.

You are therefore a violent person. Sorry, no way around it.

its called a MOSH PIT

what else are u supposed to do?

you dont get into a mosh pit to shake hands and drink tea.

I don't get into mosh pits at all.

Maybe they want some tea? How would you know?

*sigh*

its called a MOSH PIT

what else are u supposed to do?

you dont get into a mosh pit to shake hands and drink tea.

In a mosh pit, you jump around, run into people, and push them, and it SHOULD all be without the intention of causing real injury. In all the mosh pits I've been in (admittedly not that many), people keep track of each other and if you slip on some sweat or something, people stop jumping around for a moment and help you up. The idea is to have a hell of a lot of fun, not to make people bleed, you fucking asshole. You definitely do not punch and kick people. I've seen some real dickheads in mosh pits, but I've never seen anybody who was enough of a retard to do that.

but the thread is called HXC not METAL

thats what a fun pit is like
but this Creek character is goin on about hardcore and thats what hardcore ppl around here do. HAHAHAHA my stupid hardcore friend fucking carries brass knuckles and a bandana "incase if anything goes down".

and that was an exact quote from him

but the thread is called HXC not METAL

thats what a fun pit is like
but this Creek character is goin on about hardcore and thats what hardcore ppl around here do. HAHAHAHA my stupid hardcore friend fucking carries brass knuckles and a bandana "incase if anything goes down".

and that was an exact quote from himYou sir are a comedic goldmine. Please tell your friend he's a fucking retard. I think he should know. Someone has to tell him.


I have a question. SOMEONE DEFINE METAL FOR ME. ALSO "HxC" (LAMEST ABBREVIATION EVER).

HAHA i tell him everyday that he is an idiot for even having a bandana and brass knuckles HAHA.......

You were the one showing off about being HARDCORE.

I wasnt showing off for being hardcore..
i was explaining that metal kids can go to hardcore shows and are aloud to get in pits and thrash if they wish.....anyone is.

i was saying hardcore shows werent just for hardcore fans

If I was a mod, this thread would be closed, cuz the discussion is pretty much dead.

If I was a mod, this thread would be closed, cuz the discussion is pretty much stupid.

"Stupid" isn't a reason to close threads around here, as far as I can tell. Nor should it be, imo.

The discussion certainly isn't dead. We were quite actively making this Nick fellow look stupid.

There are limits to everything. This thread has to cross it. Good thing I'm not a mod eh.

My feeling on the matter is that as long as it is possible that someone might still have something they want to contribute, and it's at all possible for them to do so, there's really no reason to close a thread.

I love how people can alter your qoutes to make you look like an asshole. But anyway, I think making WonderNick look stupid is old and dumb. He's got his opinions and ideas, they may seem dumb to us, but not to him. I'm a metalhead, and always will be. Just lay off of him and be friendly.

yeh like you guys dont know what im trying to say

the hardcore scene around here could be totally different to your hardcore scene

In a mosh pit, you jump around, run into people, and push them, and it SHOULD all be without the intention of causing real injury. In all the mosh pits I've been in (admittedly not that many), people keep track of each other and if you slip on some sweat or something, people stop jumping around for a moment and help you up. The idea is to have a hell of a lot of fun, not to make people bleed, you fucking asshole. You definitely do not punch and kick people. I've seen some real dickheads in mosh pits, but I've never seen anybody who was enough of a retard to do that.


:-D

Hardcore sucks compared to Metal. It's just a bunch of noise with pathetic guitarists.
Not art imo.

so whats the difference.

(good) metal consists of good lyrics, quality music (I respect the band more if the members are as skilled as creative). And maybe the most important part is the vocalist.
If the singer really gets into the song and expresses his emotions it really makes you feel something. Just look at Fade to black or One by Metallica.
Unlike hardcore which is mere yelling imo.

Not really - In Flames have some pretty crap lyrics, but are a great band.
Fade to Black is pretty awesome.

Fast hardcore is pretty difficult to play effectively, and some of those bands have pretty great lyrics too. What you mean is that you don't like hardcore, not that it's crappy music. It's not "just screaming," there is actually thought put into where and what they scream, believe it or not. Not to mention the fact that not all hardcore vocals ARE screams.

Metal, you pretty much tried to describe it to me as "metal = good, hardcore = suck". please try again, but with a little less bias. thanks.

I respect everyone's taste, however i just can't listen to hardcore.