tehƧP@ƦKly�ANK� -Ⅲ�
12-08-2015, 01:59 AM
I was on Imgur and saw Aaron Paul crying gif used as a reaction to the news of FF7 remake becoming episodic.

https://www.vg247.com/2015/12/07/final-fantasy-7-remake-is-episodic-otherwise-wed-have-to-cut-some-parts-says-director/

" Director and producer offer some insight into controversial decision to split classic RPG release. "

Pretty picture, though.


"
The team creating Final Fantasy 7 Remake has said that it�s going to be a �multi-part series� because otherwise it would be forced to cut some content.

In an interview with Dengeki Online, translated by Gematsu, director Tetsuya Nomura said: �If we dedicated our time to a single release, parts of it would become summarized.

�We�d have to cut some parts, and additional parts would come in few, so rather than remake the game as a full volume, we decided to do multiple parts.�
"

Pretty trailer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3sBZ5Nr4hc

Would say it carries a bit of the texture pack from Advent Children (Complete), but it looks very different.
Probably because AC takes place after 7.

I would think about buying a PS4 for this.
But not really into buying the multiple parts. I imagine they'll release parts per year, like Telltales does with The Walking Dead.

I wonder how much new content, storywise, will happen.
80GB per part? half a disc of the original game per part?

AFMG
12-08-2015, 03:10 PM
I for one welcome our episodic overlords.

Leon Scott Kennedy
12-08-2015, 03:26 PM
Don't really care about how it's going to be released, I just hope they don't take as much time as Telltales to release episodes, to speak the truth. The latest teaser has me concerned about the battle-system the Remake is seemingly going to use; while I do hope the "final" product makes me change my mind, right now that aspect feels way too action-y for my liking.

Oh, well, at least they seem to have done a decent/good job at keeping the atmosphere of the original intact (talking about scenery/locations). Wallace is a fan of Albert Wesker, haha! Can't wait to see Yuffie in action.

This guy are sick.

AFMG
12-08-2015, 06:43 PM
Look, I missed all the crazyness of FFVII when it was first released, so I got no idea why is it so beloved, why so many people fight over the Aerith/Aeris thing or why her dead was such a big issue. What I know is that they took YEARS to finally come around the idea of remaking their most iconic game that marks the transition from the classic formula to the (often despised) modern era of Final Fantasy. So it HAS to be something special, it HAS to have something to be remembered. I think the episodic nature will help them to deliver what people expect.

Leon Scott Kennedy
12-08-2015, 07:36 PM
Well, if you have a PlayStation 4, you can buy the original version on its Store [a port of the Steam release, achievements became trophies].

I was 10 years old in 1997, Ⅶ was my first Final Fantasy: I remember its battle-system bored me a lot, initially (thought it was stupid for infantry and highly-trained SOLDIERs to take turns damaging each other), but it grew on me with time.
The few things I hope they keep largely unchanged in the Remake are the game's light-hearted/humour moments (Cloud's visit at the Honey Bee Inn, the crossdressing quest, Yuffie's side quest in which she steals your Materia, just to name a few…); I don't want it to turn in a complete emo-party.

Darth Revan
12-08-2015, 11:31 PM
I'm one of those few who wish this was never happening. FFVII has had too much of the limelight and should just be left to spend it's retirement out to pasture. It was a good game, back in '97... but some who are comparing it to RPG's we have now or still tout how great it is... no, just no. FFVII's time has come and gone, time to move on to other things.

Vrykolas
12-09-2015, 02:42 AM
I agree that the remake is a bad idea, but that's still going too far IMO. The game is remembered as a classic because it *is* a classic. Time doesn't change that, and it still whups most of today's RPGs.

You're entitled to your opinion, but IMO you're dead wrong on this one.

AFMG
12-09-2015, 02:49 AM
The game is remembered as a classic because it *is* a classic. Time doesn't change that, and it still whups most of today's RPGs.

Well, excuse me, a "classic" can totally be a product of it's time and yet be obsolete. I won't say FF7 is a bad game, but the more I look at it, the more it shows it's age and the transition it represents.

Vrykolas
12-09-2015, 03:19 AM
I think you're missing the point of a classic game. If your criteria of classic game is that it must still hold up and be just as impressive from a gameplay and visual standpoint etc after decades of technological advancements in consoles have happened... then I guess the only classic games were the ones made last week.

My point is that FF7 was beloved because it told one of the most consistently engaging and controlled stories in video gaming. It was epic in scale, had an aethestic that was appealing to both East and West audiences (which is no mean feat in and of itself), had a good roster of characters, has what is still one of the most affecting sequences in any game, and basically had something for everyone. It had drama, action, exploration in a world that felt like it was alive and existed outside of your character's involvement.

These are achievements that technology cannot purchase. Your game either has them or it doesn't. And as the years have rolled on, that has only become more apparent. Sure, FF7 today looks like the old game that it is. But the world bullding, the characters, the story, the scale of the adventure remain intact. And I'll take those things over most of the modern age's slick production values trash that has no substance under the sheen.

Complaining about how dated something is without searching for the actual worth and value of the product (do you really think people ever loved this game because of the graphics and gameplay?!) then you're no better than people who dismiss black and white movies 'because they're old and modern movies are so much better' Lol!

My concerns over a remake are simply that there is too much baggage involved. You will *never* please the hardcore fans who will not accept anything new or altered in any way. And even if only 1 small thing was out of place, they'd bury the remake, because that's how these things go. And people would then use that as 'proof' that FF7 wasn't what it was cracked up to be etc etc etc.

If I agree with nothing else that Revan said, I do agree that FF7 should be left alone. Its place in gaming history is secure, and this remake is utterly unneccessary.

Darth Revan
12-09-2015, 03:35 AM
I agree that the remake is a bad idea, but that's still going too far IMO. The game is remembered as a classic because it *is* a classic. Time doesn't change that, and it still whups most of today's RPGs.

You're entitled to your opinion, but IMO you're dead wrong on this one.

You have your opinion... and hey, I respect that. I just do not think that FFVII deserves all this hype/credit hurled at it by the masses. Remember, Hironobu Sakaguchi, the father of all things Final Fantasy, intended that all FF games be standalone and complete as they are. FFVII, to me, did NOT deserve this insane fan following... certainly did NOT deserve the whole 'Compilation' either. It was a good game yes, but with all the retcons thrown into it with all the extras...

No. I will say categorically, that I am a fan of the ORIGINAL FFVII... I despise the 'Compilation'.

AFMG
12-09-2015, 03:42 AM
Let me rephrase my original statement, as it might have sounded as something else entirely: I don't judge FF7 on behalf of it's graphics, sound or technological shortcomings, however they might look now. That would be the same as complaining that SMB is shit because it has 8 bit graphics and no save states. Every game is a product of it's era and it's a mistake judging it outside that. The only point I wanted to add is that it has been brought into question many times (not by me, but as a topic of discussion) if this game deserves such a cult status for sure. Again, personally I never experienced it first hand, so I might be biased.

Vrykolas
12-09-2015, 03:44 AM
I agree with everything you say there. Overzealous fans routinely ruin good works by overstating their praise and attacking everyone who doesn't agree. It leads to annoying situations where the actual worth of the product becomes impossible to judge, because opinions becomes so polarized between people who insist something is the greatest thing ever EVER, and those who insist its a fraud, a sham, the worst thing ever etc.

As for Sakaguchi... I respect him for creating the series, but the fact is that he neither directed nor wrote any of my favourite FF games. Nor do I consider him to have made any decent RPGs before or since. I therefore cannot equate his views on what is best for FF, to being anything I would agree with. Just one of those things, I guess.

I think we broadly agree that on 2 things:

1) The original game was a good game.

2) This remake is a disaster that will unfold in slow motion.


As to the 'Does it deserve cult status?' that is a moot point. Something is revered as a cult classic or it isn't. Actual worth or quality of product has never really been a vital ingredient for such things. There simply needs to be something about it that large amounts of people collectively loved. The question becomes 'Does the game have enough ACTUAL quality to deserve a remake, or is the regard for it entirely a matter of nostalgia, zeitgeist etc?' I argue it wasn't simply 'Good for the time it came out' and something that struck the right notes at the right time. I think it did do that, but I also consider it to be a quality product that would have deserved success whenever it was released (with whatever technology was considered standard etc).

Others disagree, but that's as it should be. It makes for entertaining discussion and debate. But actually trying to prove its worth and remaking it... That just seems like a costly and senseless risk. Especially since you will also be contending with the extra baggage of those who simply feel ill will towards SE these days, or are tribally dedicated to supporting other companies etc etc. AND you will pit the new game against fans of the old game, who insist to their dying breath that the older game is better etc. You are rousing so many sleeping dogs and inflaming so many tensions that already exist, that a fair and sensible appraisal of the game will be basically impossible, and will make judging the game's stature in years to come horrendously complicated.

It all has the unfortunate aura of an aging movie star trying to make a big comeback IMO. The only thing it will achieve is undermining credibility in the orignal product and its legacy. And just to make some more money...

tehƧP@ƦKly�ANK� -Ⅲ�
12-09-2015, 03:51 AM
I loved 7 when it first came out.
My first real introduction to RPG's.

I agree it's outdated, so I won't hold it up to todays RPG's.
I think games should be compared to like-generations (engines).

It's like the fine line between Westwood Studios owning Command & Conquer and EA owning it.
It's a stark contrast in development.

The remake could have potential.
I'm entirely new to the concept of episodes. I'm too old school.

I'll definitely be talking my friend into this, who has a PS4. :p
If not, there's always youtube for gameplay and reviews.

It's not quite like "remastering" a movie with a 4K blow-up.
It's re-inventing the whole wheel here. The battle system is using updated systems.

I really look foward towards the upgraded graphics. Midgar looks great, all gloomy and Blade Runnery.
I really look forward towards the upgraded videos sequences.
FMV's were always upgraded over the actual gameplay.

Darth Revan
12-09-2015, 04:01 AM
We know that they will be including content from the Compilation into this remake, that already has my disgust. For example, in the original we know who it was who experimented on Vincent Valentine... yet with Dirge of Cerberus, Vincent's backstory was altered. That there I despise.

The rest... I've seen the trailers on youtube and the voices... Cloud and Barrett's are just the same from Advent Children (no surprise as I read somewhere that the VA's from Advent Children reprise their roles in this), Biggs and Jessie's voices are... tolerable. Wedge is just a damn idiot... guess should be thankful they didn't get that fop Cam Clarke involved...

Still... this... I've moved on from FFVII. Tried to play it again last month and just couldn't. It hasn't aged well (to me) and I have 0 intention to even give this a shot. If someone gave me this (on it's release), to quote former Shriner Prak when I revealed what I did to my cousin's copy of Crapdom Farts, I took 'the measure and appropriate response' by snapping the disc in half in front of them.

tehƧP@ƦKly�ANK� -Ⅲ�
12-09-2015, 05:01 AM
I haven't played Dirge but wanted to so badly.

That's disappointing right there that they're going to change history yet again.
It's bad enough when movies and TV do that.

I don't know if I can play it again.
I bought 8 on Steam and tried to get back into it, but it's so time consuming to get ouf the "disc 1" area.

I really wish studios would consider bluray releases of the video sequences.
But they'll probably just encode it with cheap settings. :lesigh:

---------- Post added at 08:01 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:07 PM ----------

TBH, I only played the trailer on mute because I use the PC as the main media center on the TV.
I download it with JDownloader then watch it in VLC on mute while something else is playing with audio.

Immediately, I don't like this game having dialogue.

I love the movie well enough.

But dialogue just comes off as something else. Maybe it's just the editing.
But it really sounds like a cheap commercial put together. Sloppy audio editing.

Visually, it looks great.
That's the main attraction for me.

AFMG
12-09-2015, 05:11 AM
Heym who says they cannot do it right? As I said, maybe the episodic nature can help them to polish it.

tehƧP@ƦKly�ANK� -Ⅲ�
12-09-2015, 05:37 AM
I'll wait for the final product.

I've seen a lot of trailers that ruin the expectations.
Sloppy editing, or too good.

This is bad, for audio.
X-Men First Class did a horrible teaser trailer.
Among a few others.

Total amateur hour.

But, visually, I'm going into this when it comes out.
I'll judge the audio after it's done.

Leon Scott Kennedy
12-09-2015, 09:20 AM
Personally, as a lover of the original game, I'm looking forward to this Remake. I don't care about the retcons it will likely have, to get it to fit within the Compilation. Why? Because retcons are pretty much guaranteed when you have different individuals tamper with the script of a franchise (yeah, I consider FFⅦ as a franchise on its own, sue me), I mean: some stuff in the Biohazard/Resident Evil game franchise's "Master plot" got retconned, same goes for another beloved franchise - Metal Gear Solid (the Metal Gear Solid 4 Database, freely available on the PS3 store, actually contradicts the games here and there. It just happens.

I'm saddened by the enormous amount of idiots which will likely dismiss the game because a comma isn't where it used to be, if I wanted to play the same goddamn game with updated visuals, I'd fire up the original after installing some of Qhimm community's excellent Mods. As a Remake, it isn't supposed to be a carbon copy of the original with updated visuals, some "rebuilding" has to go down.

I'd be satisfied with a good RPG, I'm not really fond of the Final Fantasy games "post-Ⅹ-2".

PonyoBellanote
12-09-2015, 11:07 AM
I actually played the start of FF7 yesterday for the first time, just to test it out, with my PS4 controller. It was kinda good. It really needed a remake. Let's trust the people involved in making the videogame, that they'll try their best.

3DMan
12-09-2015, 03:09 PM
I'm iffy on all of this, the episodic format sure as hell doesn't do any favors as it screams of cash-grab and complete edition bullcrap later on.

On the other hand, I'll get to see marvelous HD versions of those crazy-looking monsters like this one

tehƧP@ƦKly�ANK� -Ⅲ�
12-10-2015, 04:29 AM
I wonder what the chocobo aspect will be like?

and i hope there'll be new mini-games.

:laugh: I bet there will be some good in-joke gags about the PS1 models.

Darth Revan
12-11-2015, 11:09 PM
Personally, as a lover of the original game, I'm looking forward to this Remake. I don't care about the retcons it will likely have, to get it to fit within the Compilation. Why? Because retcons are pretty much guaranteed when you have different individuals tamper with the script of a franchise (yeah, I consider FFⅦ as a franchise on its own, sue me), I mean: some stuff in the Biohazard/Resident Evil game franchise's "Master plot" got retconned, same goes for another beloved franchise - Metal Gear Solid (the Metal Gear Solid 4 Database, freely available on the PS3 store, actually contradicts the games here and there. It just happens.

Retcons will always cause a divide in the fanbase, no matter what. Contrary to popular belief, there are quite a few people who don't like the whole 'Compilation'... and for that to be retconned into the original... SE should've just stood fast and not gone through with this.


I'm saddened by the enormous amount of idiots which will likely dismiss the game because a comma isn't where it used to be, if I wanted to play the same goddamn game with updated visuals, I'd fire up the original after installing some of Qhimm community's excellent Mods. As a Remake, it isn't supposed to be a carbon copy of the original with updated visuals, some "rebuilding" has to go down.

Yet you dismiss those people derogatively for sticking to their guns. Most of the people screaming for the remake are those who came to the series with the PS2 gen and hate the PSX look of FFVII. Yeah, there are mods for games which can improve on things and if people want to use them, then by all means. But the amount of time, money and manpower spent on this project, could've been used on other, newer projects... and leave FFVII alone.

But no... in their grab for more $$$, they decide to go back and butcher a game to suit the modern crowd.


I'd be satisfied with a good RPG, I'm not really fond of the Final Fantasy games "post-Ⅹ-2".

Personally, I haven't been 'in' to any FF's from PS2 on... except FFXI and FFXIV. There have been a couple of RPG's on the PS3/Xbox 360 era which, to me, blow FFVII out of the water... as while FFVII IS a good game... it is most assuredly NOT the so called Best rpg eva some people are spouting as gospel.

Leon Scott Kennedy
12-11-2015, 11:38 PM
Oh? What if I dismiss those folks derogatively? I'm certainly not going to take lessons about "manners" from you, Revan, you're not exactly the best example to follow as far as "dismissing people derogatively" is concerned, either (should I remind how you used to talk to, and of new users/leechers with a single post?)

I don't disagree with most of your points here, but have you noticed what's happening with not only games, but movies, too? Reboots, remakes, more of the same "galore". Why dare/risk with new stuff when you're sure to make some money out of famous names/brands?

Quite a few people were displeased with the Compilation, fine, another decently-sized group of people loved every bit/pixel of it. Probably I'm wrong, but I don't see SQUARE-ENIX managing to pull off what CAPCOM did with the Remake of the first Resident Evil (which has been a GameCube exclusive for years). Tough luck, shit happens. FFⅦ has been "tainted" first and foremost by that Advent Children thing, which only redeeming qualities were arguably CG and the music (but the last one is more of a subjective "award").

Did we need the Compilation, or this goddamn Remake? No, in that regard I agree with you and the others, case in point, SQUARE-ENIX is about business, they know FFⅦ and this remake will bring 'em money, so they use it (only someone who doesn't have the slightest understanding of business could completely blame them for such a thing). To me this remake isn't that much of a loss, it's not like it "destroys" the original game; I'm sure I'll find something to enjoy about it… And in the unlikely case I'll fail to do that, I'll always have the original release to play.

Darth Revan
12-12-2015, 12:00 AM
Oh? What if I dismiss those folks derogatively? I'm certainly not going to take lessons about "manners" from you, Revan, you're not exactly the best example to follow as far as "dismissing people derogatively" is concerned, either (should I remind how you used to talk to, and of new users/leechers with a single post?)

I don't fucking care what you think. While I 'dismiss' others (aka leechers and new users), have you forgotten that those forays are in the damn 'Delete my account' threads? Fuckin idiots who can't read the fine print, get what they deserve in that regard. I don't however blanket abuse at a group of people like you did.


I don't disagree with most of your points here, but have you noticed what's happening with not only games, but movies, too? Reboots, remakes, more of the same "galore". Why dare/risk with new stuff when you're sure to make some money out of famous names/brands?

Sadly I have seen the growing trend in remakes... and they hold nothing on the original... 21 Jump Street was good drama show, the movies... bullshit 'bro' movies. Dukes of Hazard, another good show. Remake... boys in car comedy... The A-Team remake... nothing like the original, little wonder Mr.T wanted nothing to do with it (George Peppard would be rolling in his grave over it...)


Quite a few people were displeased with the Compilation, fine, another decently-sized group of people loved every bit/pixel of it. Probably I'm wrong, but I don't see SQUARE-ENIX managing to pull off what CAPCOM did with the Remake of the first Resident Evil (which has been a GameCube exclusive for years). Tough luck, shit happens. FFⅦ has been "tainted" first and foremost by that Advent Children thing, which only redeeming qualities were arguably CG and the music (but the last one is more of a subjective "award").

CAPCOM fucked up other series as well... Breath of Fire for one. Great RPG series... destroyed by it's fifth installment. Not to mention CAPCOM's idiotic lawsuit against Koei Tecmo over the use of 'Xtreme Legends'... FFVII was tainted when the first part of the compilation came out... Advent Children was, to me, a snorefest. Didn't like it at all, but that's a personal thing.


Did we need the Compilation, or this goddamn Remake? No, in that regard I agree with you and the others, case in point, SQUARE-ENIX is about business, they know FFⅦ and this remake will bring 'em money, so they use it (only someone who doesn't have the slightest understanding of business could completely blame them for such a thing). To me this remake isn't that much of a loss, it's not like it "destroys" the original game; I'm sure I'll find something to enjoy about it… And in the unlikely case I'll fail to do that, I'll always have the original release to play.

I know about business... and yeah, SE (like CRAPCOM and other companies) are doing this solely for money. For those who think otherwise, sorry... that's not the case. While the remake may not destroy the original game... it will damage it somewhat. From what I've seen/heard... looks more like a Action RPG, which to some may be great, but to others not so.

In any event, I'm done with FFVII... It's had it's time to shine, now on to other titles.

Leon Scott Kennedy
12-12-2015, 12:20 AM
I don't fucking care what you think. While I 'dismiss' others (aka leechers and new users), have you forgotten that those forays are in the damn 'Delete my account' threads? Fuckin idiots who can't read the fine print, get what they deserve in that regard. I don't however blanket abuse at a group of people like you did.
No, I haven't forgotten, I just think it was still a poor display on your part. As for the rest, *shrugs*. Sue me.


You haven't been the only one seeing the sad trend with remakes, etcetera… Still, I plan to play this remake, first, only then I'll make up my mind about it. It will not hold a candle to the original? Very likely, with a game so beloved there's a high chance the developers are going to royally screw everything up, but you know what? Maybe, maybe the remake will end up being an enjoyable game on its own. Personally, I wouldn't be so quick to state it will damage the original, heck, if what I've witnessed "thanks" to the DmC Devil May Cry reboot repeats, the remake might also get enough players interested in trying out the originals, I know players of DmC who enjoyed that (in my opinion) crappy "Devil May Cry", they later bought the original four titles and ended up enjoying those a lot more.

I admit I've enjoyed some of the action sequences in Advent Children, but I'm biased, i do love the "out of this world stunts" the folks in Devil May Cry pull off.

I've a nagging feeling SE isn't yet done with "whoring" FFⅦ. Oh, well, the spike in popularity it will undoubtedly gain when the Remake lands will do wonders for my third job, I've that to look forward, too.

James (The Disney Guy)
12-12-2015, 12:39 AM
I Have to Admit I Have Never Played FFVII Or Any Of The Games. I Do Enjoy the Scores & I Have Advent Children DVD (One Of My Prized DVDs) And CD (Which I Just Made A New Cover Art For).
I Love Cloud & Sephiroth.

I Have Played Kingdom Hearts And The Bonus Level Where You Fight Sephiroth Has Always Been Fun!

PonyoBellanote
12-12-2015, 11:07 AM
That's amazing that you've actually played KH. I should've guessed knowing the Disney would make you do it :P Did you like it? Have you played any other KH game?

James (The Disney Guy)
12-12-2015, 11:12 AM
That's amazing that you've actually played KH. I should've guessed knowing the Disney would make you do it :P Did you like it? Have you played any other KH game?

I Have Played
KH
KH2
Re: Chain Of Memories
Recoded
Birth By Sleep
356/2 Days.

And Yes You're Correct It Was The Disney Element, That Made Me Play. But I Did Enjoy The Mixture Of Disney & FF.

PonyoBellanote
12-12-2015, 11:22 AM
Judging by the fact you've played almost every game, you really enjoy the series then. Are you waiting for KH3?

You should maybe watch walkthroughs of the 3DS game, as it kinda goes before KH3 and after KH2 or ReChain.

James (The Disney Guy)
12-12-2015, 11:23 AM
I Have Not Bought A New Console, So Will Not Play KH3, I Have Not Played A Video Game In Years.

Olde
12-14-2015, 12:01 AM
I'm saddened by the enormous amount of idiots which will likely dismiss the game because a comma isn't where it used to be, if I wanted to play the same goddamn game with updated visuals, I'd fire up the original after installing some of Qhimm community's excellent Mods. As a Remake, it isn't supposed to be a carbon copy of the original with updated visuals, some "rebuilding" has to go down.

I'd be satisfied with a good RPG, I'm not really fond of the Final Fantasy games "post-Ⅹ-2".

The problem is it's not a new game. I'm all for re-imaginings. For instance, I support Black Mesa, the full-scale re-imagining of Half-Life 1 that takes liberties in what it adds and leaves out. However, what I want to see is an improvement upon the original game. Of course what constitutes an improvement is subjective, suffice it to say that it should always have the same overall look and feel of the original game. That is, things like voice-acting, character design, environmental atmosphere, music, battle system, and the way in which the story is told should all support those corresponding aspects the way the original game did. It should reinforce, not undermine, undercut, or subvert. Judging from the trailer, and we all know that trailers are spurious at best, I will admit that iit seems like so far they did a good job. Not a fan of the episodic releases, but if they capture the same tone, atmosphere, strategy, and feel of the game, I'll be satisfied.

I think Revan's point is that this game didn't need a remake to begin with, and to a point he's right. The same can be said for any classic. But in any case where a classic is remade, only a fool would expect the remake to surpass the original. The remake won't replace the original, and it would be stupid for fans to think so. I don't have a problem with a retelling. I don't have high hopes for it in terms of my own satisfaction, but it will be what it will be.

Leon Scott Kennedy
12-14-2015, 12:40 AM
The problem is it's not a new game. I'm all for re-imaginings. For instance, I support Black Mesa, the full-scale re-imagining of Half-Life 1 that takes liberties in what it adds and leaves out. However, what I want to see is an improvement upon the original game. Of course what constitutes an improvement is subjective, suffice it to say that it should always have the same overall look and feel of the original game. That is, things like voice-acting, character design, environmental atmosphere, music, battle system, and the way in which the story is told should all support those corresponding aspects the way the original game did. It should reinforce, not undermine, undercut, or subvert. Judging from the trailer, and we all know that trailers are spurious at best, I will admit that iit seems like so far they did a good job. Not a fan of the episodic releases, but if they capture the same tone, atmosphere, strategy, and feel of the game, I'll be satisfied.

I think Revan's point is that this game didn't need a remake to begin with, and to a point he's right. The same can be said for any classic. But in any case where a classic is remade, only a fool would expect the remake to surpass the original. The remake won't replace the original, and it would be stupid for fans to think so. I don't have a problem with a retelling. I don't have high hopes for it in terms of my own satisfaction, but it will be what it will be.
Oh, I have already agreed with Darth Revan on "that" points, heck, even though I ended up enjoying various elements of the Compilation, I also thought FFⅦ didn't need to be expanded upon.
Personally, I don't see the Remake doing that much damage to the original (which recently became available on PS4 with achievements/trophies and a few extra features not available in the Steam release), or to put it better: the Remake won't ever "taint" the original for me, nor surpass it. This is what matters, in the end: how you are going to deal with it, I plan to give it a chance with a light heart. Will I end up enjoying the Remake? All the better for me, I will have two FFⅦ to play. Still, I'm not gonna lie: as much as I love the game's pre-rendered backgrounds/super-deformed models, the chance to see some of my favourite characters, places, scenes with current days' graphic quality has me drool a bit.
Will there be folks who will like and see the Remake as THE FFⅦ? Good on them/screw them, I say, take your pick. Does it even matter, in the end? I've seen this kind of discussion a lot over at BIOHAZARD/Resident Evil communities, I can almost read talks of true fans… Lesser fans… There's nothing like that. I kinda wish folks would just mind their own business and let other players enjoy whatever they enjoy in peace.
I mean, we aren't really losing anything, heh. Oh my God, the Remake ends up being trash, compared to the original. Big. Fucking. Deal. The original is available as:

- A PlayStation game.
- A PC game.
- A slightly updated release on Steam.
- A game sold on PlayStation 3, PlayStation Portable and PlayStation 4's digital stores.

Some of the fans seem to be thinking this damn Remake will send the original into oblivion. No, folks: the original is still available for purchase (overpriced somewhere, actually) and I'm ready to bet it won't go anywhere even when the whole Remake will have been released.

Olde
12-14-2015, 03:04 AM
I never got that sense from anyone. It'll never replace the original and anyone who thinks so is super-deformed in the head. Whether someone prefers it to the original is their preference. We'll see how it goes when it's closer to release.

Nostalgia gamer
12-19-2015, 12:17 PM
I never got that sense from anyone. It'll never replace the original and anyone who thinks so is super-deformed in the head. Whether someone prefers it to the original is their preference. We'll see how it goes when it's closer to release.

Olde suppose for a moment that the remake does surpass the old version? The new one which will be episodic could delve more into sephiroth and clouds personality and fix up whatever typos the original had, fixing the errors.

It could even add new story to delve more into the character of zack.

This could turn out to be a good thing if these things are added.Also no more annoying jerks who complain about super deformed characters anymore.the achievements are also a nice bonus to people who love ff7 giving them a reason to go and play even more to get those said achievements, so this could be a blessing or the worse disaster ever of a game.

PonyoBellanote
12-19-2015, 12:19 PM
It's confirmed the remake is going further than the original FF7 game.

Nostalgia gamer
12-19-2015, 12:21 PM
Bellanote where is your source? Show it

PonyoBellanote
12-19-2015, 12:24 PM
Bellanote where is your source? Show it

Some kind of interview I read. Looked it up for you:

Final Fantasy 7 Remake will 'expand original story' says producer Yoshinori Kitase
(http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/final-fantasy-7-remake-will-expand-original-story-says-producer-yoshinori-kitase-1532866)

Olde
12-22-2015, 04:14 AM
Olde suppose for a moment that the remake does surpass the old version? The new one which will be episodic could delve more into sephiroth and clouds personality and fix up whatever typos the original had, fixing the errors.
Good, because the original story was shit. It's not going to fix the key components though, which is where the game really hurts.


It's confirmed the remake is going further than the original FF7 game.
It may go further in detail in regard to the story, but probably to the detriment of the gameplay. I think they've turned more towards story-telling than towards letting gamers play.