http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF3AnGHbG6s

Skip to around 42:00.

Thoughts?

Pretty much indifferent, personally; already got to kick his ass in EHRGEIZ: God Bless the Ring.

Suprised but not too much, I do like the various nods to FF7 though. Too bad I still can't be arsed to buy a Wii U.

Another attempt to get more money by SE is all. Meh... Still beat the snot out of him with the Wii Fit Trainer.

Another attempt to get more money by SE is all. Meh... Still beat the snot out of him with the Wii Fit Trainer.

As I plan to do. ;)

Still haven't played FF7 (yeah, yeah, I'll get around to it eventually) so I just think he looks pretty fun to use. But it was fun watching certain Youtubers' reactions to the announcement...

If there was a actual Amiibo figure... I admit, I'd probably look into getting it to add to my collection (only have 8 so far) and have on display with the other figures/statues I have collected over the years... But I have to say, I like Ike far more than Cloud.

[rant ensuing]God, I'm so tired of FF7 and Cloud. I mean, how much can they milk a goddamn stereotype? Enough is enough. It would pain me less if Cloud had more personality than a brick wall, but as it stands, all Cloud is is a leather-wearing big-sword-toting angsty teen kid. Were any of those quotes he said in Smash relevant to anything like a personality? No, because he's just a clich� now. He could be a mute and be the same character. What easter eggs are they going to hide for him, a motorcycle? Zack palette-swap (basically being the same character just with different hair)? I'm tired of everyone going goo-goo over Cloud and liking FF7 for that reason alone; he's just a stupid fucking broody, unlikable, undeveloped teenage samurai wannabe.

Okay, rant over.

And you know what? Fuck Sephiroth too because he's basically the same thing, just taller and with longer hair!

i just geeked out on cloud

and the hopes of every nintendo fanboy that SE releases a numbered FF (7's remake basically) have now lit up worse than christmas tree

and the hopes of every nintendo fanboy that SE releases a numbered FF (7's remake basically) have now lit up worse than christmas tree

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I said it before olde and ROKUSHO he is a cash cow of the series.I edited what I said to not be too vulgar.Hes the face of the series whilst others get the ignored, which is unfair.What about Bartz/Butz Kain Cecil or squall? What about Terra vaan I can't remember all the FFXII characters Tidus of course and all the others? You include one but not hate others, it's preferencialism and it's going to separate the fan bases and annoy the others.

It's all good and all that ff7 got a remake, as there is a chance for repairing the story and adding new mini games and materia, but this has nothing to do with that.All this will do, is Make the sephiroth cloud lovers come out and annoying everyone saying see? My favorite team/Game/Sports character/Videogame character beats yours.The fanbase of ff series is already very divided between pre ff7 post ff7 and post FFX.

It depends on what side of the fandom are you in, I do hear people talk a lot about all of those characters you mentioned, even the old first FFs.

It depends on what side of the fandom are you in, I do hear people talk a lot about all of those characters you mentioned, even the old first FFs.

true but there are less and less interested in ff6, and the port on android didn't help one bit.It all comes down to a popularity contest now:Whatever is most popular gets the most money and gets the most attention.Ff7 is popular because it has a decent story and it's got cgi and it's newer and it was a lot of people's first RPGs.For some like me, I was around when ff1 on nes and even kid Icarus was new, so I'm not that impressed with shiny new graphics.

I'm not that impressed with shiny new graphics.
Spoken like a true FFShrine member. But that's not the demographic they're going for, and they definitely have a market for it. I have a brother 10 years younger than me who can't fathom why anyone would want to play a game from before the PS3 era simply because of the graphics. THAT is sad. All things considered, while I pretty much hate Cloud, in the grand scheme of things it's kind of amazing that they're still able to include a character whose main game was in 1997 and hasn't really had much mainstream success since then. That's pretty uncommon.


Hes the face of the series whilst others get the ignored, which is unfair.What about Bartz/Butz Kain Cecil or squall? What about Terra vaan I can't remember all the FFXII characters Tidus of course and all the others?
My sides hurt, that was a great laugh. Any way you look at it, Cloud IS the face of the franchise now. FFVII was the most successful installment and Cloud's just been in so many spin-offs/side-quels. There's no way they could include anyone else and not include him. The only other realistic possibilities I can think of are Tidus and Lightning, but the former is so whiny and annoying that I think more people would hate him than appreciate him, and the latter wasn't part of installments that were nearly as successful as FFVII or FFX. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see characters other Cloud get the HD upgrade they deserve, but let's look at the facts. Square Enix is FUCKING MORONIC in terms of their decisions, from forcing the XIII franchise down our throats for 5 years to the abysmal release of XIV, to the lack of information regarding and their noncommittal to FFXIII Versus or whatever the fuck it was? Square-Enix NEEDS a success soon and at least someone over there has enough brains to know that Cloud is the company's cash cow. Plus it's advertisement for their remake (which I assume is still being made?). On the other hand, it's Smash Bros., so who gives a fuck.

All the more reason cloud strife and sephiroth are the two most overrated over used over hyped and over sold characters in all gaming history.These two are on par with master chief and Markus Phoenix.

So of course the attention cow and cash cow is going to get a remake, it sells the most.It doesn't matter if other games who deserve equal attention get lesser treatment as long as they make money right? That's all that matters, not the fanbase and its happiness.

I'm not going to let this go either, I am really angry about the treatment us ff6 fans got.Why couldn't a dear game get same treatment as 4? Or is 4 just more important?

Dude, they may be the most overrated characters in the franchise (possibly gaming history), but judging from S-E's string of failures, this is their best course of action financially. It's pure pragmatism. You may not like it, and I too have personal favorites whom I'd prefer over Cloud, but I'm sure everybody does. S-E isn't screwing FF6 fans over by making Cloud a playable character in a shitty, stupid pseudo-fighting game. Their remake of FF6 for the Steam release is more of an affront. At the end of the day, FF6 is basically a niche game, which is sad, sure, but that's the reality. We're entering a time where these games are starting to be forgotten and pushed aside forever. So for what it's worth, be glad there's at least an FF6 remake. Because there may come a time when they drop all support for the game entirely but renew the rights so no one can do anything in support of it ever again.

Well with the way they are running things I wouldn't be surprised if they run themselves into the ground like crapcom and konami.

FFXIII was probably their most hated game and I don't know how FFXIII-2 did but I heard it was a meh but clearly the way that XIII was received, they had to make some massive changes.

They can keep their animu for weeaboos but they have to put more effort to make it into good anime in video games, and they have to learn from Americans.Inwas reading a post buy a guy who talked about many of the American RPGs and how ff6 was more Americanized with Wolsey translation favoring the west.

Another thing:They better put as much passion towards 7 as the fanbase, or at least as much as possible, because if they mess up 7, then they prove that they don't care about the fanbase of their series.If 7 remake sucks, all it does is give 6 fanbase more to complain about, but if it's better than the original, then some people from other fan bases will come in and it will fortify the game.If they aren't going to give it their all to make it better and improve upon it in every way possible, turn they shouldn't bother doing it.

They can keep their animu for weeaboos
No. Please God, no more.


they have to learn from Americans.I was reading a post by a guy who talked about many of the American RPGs and how ff6 was more Americanized with Wolsey translation favoring the west.
Agreed. The old Square style was more westernized than the stuff they're churning out now. If their market is Japan, then they should just pool all their resources into making it for Japan. But they can't expect to be a successful international competitor if they willfully alienate a huge market to whom they're selling.


Another thing:They better put as much passion towards 7 as the fanbase, or at least as much as possible, because if they mess up 7, then they prove that they don't care about the fanbase of their series.
I don't think they see the franchise as anything other than their money churning cash cow. They're going to fuck it up because they don't have any passion. All their latest work is glittery and shimmery on the outside but cold and lifeless on the inside. Seems they're already down the road of fuckuppery since the game is apparently now a multi-part series (http://www.technobuffalo.com/2015/12/07/final-fantasy-vii-will-be-a-multi-part-series/), aka episodic.

SERIOUSLY, HOW FUCKING HARD IS IT TO REMAKE A GODDAMN GAME WITHOUT FUCKING IT UP?!?!?!?!?!?!

There is still a chance that the new game comes out better with more detailed story.Ff4 came out good on DS and some of the voice actors were good, so maybe the episodic version of 7 will come out good(crosses fingers)

I said it before olde and ROKUSHO he is a cash cow of the series.I edited what I said to not be too vulgar.Hes the face of the series whilst others get the ignored, which is unfair.What about Bartz/Butz Kain Cecil or squall? What about Terra vaan I can't remember all the FFXII characters Tidus of course and all the others? You include one but not hate others, it's preferencialism and it's going to separate the fan bases and annoy the others.

It's all good and all that ff7 got a remake, as there is a chance for repairing the story and adding new mini games and materia, but this has nothing to do with that.All this will do, is Make the sephiroth cloud lovers come out and annoying everyone saying see? My favorite team/Game/Sports character/Videogame character beats yours.The fanbase of ff series is already very divided between pre ff7 post ff7 and post FFX.


doesnt matter, square has not released a numbered final fantasy game on a nintendo system (non portable) since 6 over 20 years ago. same as ryu, just because ryu is in this doesnt mean capcom will port SF5 to the WU, or, seemingly, the NX (whatever it is going to be).

as a nintendo fan (not fanboy) this is kind of putting salt on the wound (barely, since i own every numbered game already on their respective systems/ps3 minus 11 and 14 because fuck paying to play them).
"hey, here are two beloved and iconic characters of veeeeery popular franchises. oh, sorry, we dont have plans to put even a port of their games on your system". it has also been a common practice of these and other companies to take away nintendo exclusives and put them other systems, and not put other system's exclusives ON nintendo system. they took out revelations. did we get revelations 2? of fucking course not. and their reasoning for this is that "we want all fans to experience the games" bullshit. so by all fans you mean "only those who own a competing system" then. hard to believe these are the same companies that owe their place in the market to nintendo with the NES and snes.

and now for humor: tidus is in smash! his final smash? his head pops out multiple times covering the screen ala saddam hussein in south park rally while doing his infamous laugh, stuns the opponents and weakens them enough so you can knock them out of the stage with an uncharged smash attack.

Doesn't matter if it's not on Nintendo.Cant they release a nes title on ps4? It's their game.

Also:Good that Tidus is. There.At least someone other than cloud and sephiroth is there.God forbid someone other than those two get screen time since it's not the beloved sacred game that died for our sins, and yes I'm salty about the port of ff6 being on android and looking worse than the original.I have lost faith in enix and not sure if I will buy more games.All they want to churn out nowadays is animu for weeaboos and narutards who like dragon ball z and other stuff.

minus 11 and 14 because fuck paying to play them).

You and everyone with that attitude missed out on two great games.

You and everyone with that attitude missed out on two great games.

i used to own on 11 on pc with private servers. didnt like it at all.

To each their own. I played on public servers and made some good friends.

http://www.onlysp.com/i-am-sick-and-tired-of-final-fantasy-vii/

Great article expresses great my feeling.

http://www.onlysp.com/i-am-sick-and-tired-of-final-fantasy-vii/

Great article expresses great my feeling.
Great article, I agree with everything except one: Square-Enix didn't make FFVII, Squaresoft did.

FFVII is the cash-cow of the FF series because I think S-E has run out of ideas. Every new FF for them is a formula. It takes a group of ragtag teens/early adults and spins a ludicrously complex, overly dramatic, space opera movie with gorgeous graphics but a bogged down narrative and gameplay that does everything in its power to give the player as little choice as possible. Think about it, what's the last FF game that wasn't that? On a side note, I'm really not looking forward to FFXV because of this.

But FFVII is different because S-E doesn't have to be creative when making it. Just take Cloud, a broody, whiny teen anime trope and add some stupid story about how he has to team up with a bunch of walking cliches to fight a big bad anime character with long hair and Latin chanting in the background, and make the bad guy want to end the world because he's Broody McBroodblestein and nobody gets him so the world has to pay, and you've got an FFVII sequel. Oh yeah, and totally out of place comic relief.

VII's story was never revolutionary, and neither really was the gameplay. I mean, you could translate it to the SNES and it would work out pretty much the same. What took the world by storm was how it looked. Pretty much everyone who's played both agrees that VI has a far superior story to VII. And I think that's what that guy is saying; you've got a superior game getting shunted to the side because it didn't do anything revolutionary at the time. I think of VI and VII as sort of analogous to MGS3 and 4. 4 was praised to high heaven when it was released because I think everyone was madly in love with the graphics because it showcased the PS3's ability, and everyone thought that what it was doing was revolutionary. But 3's story and gameplay is in every way superior, even though it was released late for the PS2. Think of who wants to play MGS4 now? *shudders*

FFVII just happened to be that game that came out at the right time. I'm sick of it too. I think it's S-E's trump card, that no matter what else happens, they can always fall back on it. And a lot of it is a nostalgia factor, that people don't see the flaws because they grew up with the game and love it in spite of its flaws. You and I aren't part of that group, and it's really sad to see FF to be a shadow of its former self. I think they need to take more risks, hire people with actual ideas, and not lock themselves in the straightjacket of Final Formula.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Rlp6DfbZiKM

Mgs4 is a third person shooter with stealth elements.

In mgs3 relying on camo to get around and you had actual non lethal ways of dealing with enemies means that it was many times more stealthy.Thing is:Mgs4 relies on nostalgia factor rather than introducing something new.Mgs3 told a new story and had a very compelling system.Mgs4 feeds off nostalgia for mgs1 and 2.Even enemies are named after stuff like psycho mantis clone and laughing octopus and crying wolf.(Hint hint the sniper from mgs1) worse part, is every boss has some samey sappy story about child abuse and how it turned them insane.

Even some characters in mgs4 aren't as likeable.I personally liked Naomi less in mgs4 and I didn't like a lot of the new guys.

I think the whole thing for the weapons gathering is ridiculous.There were too many weapons and too much focus on running around shooting random people.Instead they should add unique weapons in few quantity and new mechanics.
I did however like the story of mgs4.

Also I think it was always square who made dubious games.They throw out games really fast in a year or two and hope it is a hit, and this was ever since the nes days.Ff2 and 3 remain as some of the most hated games in the series.Crystal chronicles was an insult to gamers, and secret of mana in my opinion is one of the most overrated overhyped games created by square, due to the fact people pardon it just because it's made by square and has multiplayer, but it's multiplayer sucks and multiplayer doesn't excuse lack of character development or lack of good story telling.Its 100% generic in every sense.It wasn't until ff7 came out that enix got the idea of style over substance anyways and it was the beginning.Look at what square did to the parasite Eve series.What ever happened to the horror element? First person shooters is what happened, and third person shooters.Its hugely profitable so make it off the call of duty black ops and battlefield shooter kids who are brain dead.

Great article, I agree with everything except one: Square-Enix didn't make FFVII, Squaresoft did.

FFVII is the cash-cow of the FF series because I think S-E has run out of ideas. Every new FF for them is a formula. It takes a group of ragtag teens/early adults and spins a ludicrously complex, overly dramatic, space opera movie with gorgeous graphics but a bogged down narrative and gameplay that does everything in its power to give the player as little choice as possible. Think about it, what's the last FF game that wasn't that? On a side note, I'm really not looking forward to FFXV because of this.

But FFVII is different because S-E doesn't have to be creative when making it. Just take Cloud, a broody, whiny teen anime trope and add some stupid story about how he has to team up with a bunch of walking cliches to fight a big bad anime character with long hair and Latin chanting in the background, and make the bad guy want to end the world because he's Broody McBroodblestein and nobody gets him so the world has to pay, and you've got an FFVII sequel. Oh yeah, and totally out of place comic relief.

VII's story was never revolutionary, and neither really was the gameplay. I mean, you could translate it to the SNES and it would work out pretty much the same. What took the world by storm was how it looked. Pretty much everyone who's played both agrees that VI has a far superior story to VII. And I think that's what that guy is saying; you've got a superior game getting shunted to the side because it didn't do anything revolutionary at the time. I think of VI and VII as sort of analogous to MGS3 and 4. 4 was praised to high heaven when it was released because I think everyone was madly in love with the graphics because it showcased the PS3's ability, and everyone thought that what it was doing was revolutionary. But 3's story and gameplay is in every way superior, even though it was released late for the PS2. Think of who wants to play MGS4 now? *shudders*

FFVII just happened to be that game that came out at the right time. I'm sick of it too. I think it's S-E's trump card, that no matter what else happens, they can always fall back on it. And a lot of it is a nostalgia factor, that people don't see the flaws because they grew up with the game and love it in spite of its flaws. You and I aren't part of that group, and it's really sad to see FF to be a shadow of its former self. I think they need to take more risks, hire people with actual ideas, and not lock themselves in the straightjacket of Final Formula.

It was indeed a great article imo. I, however, did not fully agree with it; I think FFVII was a lot better than the author gives credit. I do. however, think that if FF VI got the level of quality remake of FF VII is getting, people would indeed see FF VI for the superior game that it is. (For the record my idea of the best FF game flip flops between FF VI, FFVII and, FIX)