Courage750
06-25-2015, 09:08 PM


Here You Go Enjoy - https://mega.co.nz/#!7BFTDC7B!uSFrrz6JWhZOj9c-HohsTEeX7CE_Yz1Tdlf1fFApeX4

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RabinJablonsky
06-25-2015, 09:09 PM
Thanks!

John Powell
06-25-2015, 09:11 PM
Thanks.

DarthRichard21
06-25-2015, 09:25 PM
Danke

Lockdown
06-25-2015, 09:35 PM
THANKS DO YOU HAVE THE SESSIONS?

janjakano
06-25-2015, 09:36 PM
thanks

ostgems
06-25-2015, 09:37 PM
thank you very much courage for sharing this album :)

fyi folks, this is the itunes release.

teodiosistec
06-25-2015, 09:45 PM
Thank you very much.

mrcbrl
06-25-2015, 09:48 PM
Many thanks!

ggctuk2005
06-25-2015, 09:49 PM
THANKS DO YOU HAVE THE SESSIONS?

I concur. I was really hoping the music to the T-800 Arrival through to the T-800/Guardian fight would be in here. It would have been nice to hear the mechanical heartbeat in updated format cleanly.

slyolivier
06-25-2015, 09:53 PM
Thanks

topgun
06-25-2015, 09:53 PM
Thanks for the share! :)

kothewto
06-25-2015, 10:05 PM
kick ass dude

thanks so much
super curious about this one...

cheers

wdp4ever
06-25-2015, 10:22 PM
Thanks.

Drunkenmunkey
06-25-2015, 10:23 PM
too bad the movie sucks :(

ggctuk2005
06-25-2015, 10:31 PM
too bad the movie sucks :(

Have you seen it yet? Or is that based on early reviews?

Cable23
06-25-2015, 10:37 PM
Many thanks!

entherans
06-25-2015, 10:47 PM
Thanks a Lot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hector

DAKoftheOTA
06-25-2015, 10:52 PM
Not loving the official cover, thank God the talented artists here have already made some.


THANKS DO YOU HAVE THE SESSIONS?

LOL

YEAH COURAGE, DO YOU HAVE THE COMPLETE SESSIONS I'll GIVE YOU THE BATMAN VS SUPERMAN SESSIONS


I concur. I was really hoping the music to the T-800 Arrival through to the T-800/Guardian fight would be in here. It would have been nice to hear the mechanical heartbeat in updated format cleanly.

Agreed. I'm already thrilled that Balfe kept Fiedel's theme (as I'm sure you know T2 is my Holy Grail), but at it would've been nice to have everything else.

Bigstone
06-25-2015, 10:52 PM
Nice one! Thanks!

ruby007
06-25-2015, 10:54 PM
Wow!
Many thanks for this share!

James (The Disney Guy)
06-25-2015, 10:55 PM
Thanks Courage



THANKS DO YOU HAVE THE SESSIONS?

YEAH COURAGE, DO YOU HAVE THE COMPLETE SESSIONS I'll GIVE YOU THE BATMAN VS SUPERMAN SESSIONS


http://goodgifs.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/3766_house_m.d.gif

A Fire Will Rise
06-25-2015, 11:20 PM
I concur. I was really hoping the music to the T-800 Arrival through to the T-800/Guardian fight would be in here. It would have been nice to hear the mechanical heartbeat in updated format cleanly.

aw damn it so its not on the soundtrack? :(

Creativeawesome
06-25-2015, 11:37 PM
Thanks :)

daniel9
06-25-2015, 11:41 PM
Have you seen it yet? Or is that based on early reviews?

i saw it and it does not suck! well it sucks compared to the original 2. but it is much better than the last 2 sequels

DeakStarkiller
06-25-2015, 11:43 PM
Thanks!

rabinrocks
06-26-2015, 12:05 AM
Thanks

uncut1
06-26-2015, 12:11 AM
thank you for this

steve245
06-26-2015, 12:27 AM
Thanks

__zss
06-26-2015, 12:43 AM
thanks

Bond1965
06-26-2015, 12:57 AM
Thanks

hahah123
06-26-2015, 01:02 AM
Thanks!

Oh and btw do you have lossless? Beat you to it this time mr HDlossless;)

xanther10
06-26-2015, 01:20 AM
thanks

alexandrabruno
06-26-2015, 01:26 AM
thx

Jasonjhn8
06-26-2015, 01:29 AM
I'm interested to hear what Balfe did for this one, thanks. :)

mirren
06-26-2015, 02:04 AM
Saweet! Thanks Courage750!

calvincandie
06-26-2015, 02:33 AM
Thanks!

comicbookguy90
06-26-2015, 02:41 AM
Thanks! Been looking forward to this one for a while!

chiops
06-26-2015, 02:47 AM
Many thanks!

Cheers.

techshop
06-26-2015, 02:49 AM
Thank you!

alfrodo
06-26-2015, 02:51 AM
THANKS DO YOU HAVE THE SESSIONS?

OMG!!! ROTFL!!!

ojodorado1
06-26-2015, 02:51 AM
Thank you! I was a little bummed that Balfe was the chosen one, but maybe he'll surprise me! While the reviews mainly say the film was horrible, I hope its at least the entertaining kind of horrible - here hoping!

OscarRomelPR
06-26-2015, 02:55 AM

Visionary
06-26-2015, 03:00 AM
Thanks

lennet
06-26-2015, 03:10 AM
Thank you!

the marvin
06-26-2015, 04:26 AM
Thanks!

Bioscope
06-26-2015, 04:55 AM
Lorne gets a blockbuster, hooray!

Thanks for the great share!

T-Mann036
06-26-2015, 04:59 AM


Here You Go Enjoy - https://mega.co.nz/#!7BFTDC7B!uSFrrz6JWhZOj9c-HohsTEeX7CE_Yz1Tdlf1fFApeX4

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One word-- THANKS!

CoolDwarf
06-26-2015, 05:43 AM
Thank you.

ridan
06-26-2015, 05:46 AM
thanks!

mr_peewinkle
06-26-2015, 05:46 AM
Thank you!

Edit:

Started listening to it and........does anyone else feel like they are listening to another Transformers Score? I just keep skipping to the next song because there is absolutely nothing original to it. Really disappointed in it.

tehƧP@ƦKly�ANK� -Ⅲ�
06-26-2015, 05:59 AM
Thanks for this. It will be interesting.

Elfman actually did a decent job with Salvation.
I love the movie and the score to Salvation. Don't care what anyone says.
Helena Bonham Carter :love:
Sam Worthington in tight leather pants :love:
Christian Bale :love:
neat atmospheric mood setting in the score. :love:
new robotic sfx for thicker, heavier, more menacing robot gears and mechanical movement :love:


I love Balfe. So this will be fun.

Neverland
06-26-2015, 06:05 AM
Thanks!

pst001
06-26-2015, 06:05 AM
thanks!

Jmortal
06-26-2015, 06:16 AM
Thank you!

ggctuk2005
06-26-2015, 06:42 AM
Thank you! I was a little bummed that Balfe was the chosen one, but maybe he'll surprise me! While the reviews mainly say the film was horrible, I hope its at least the entertaining kind of horrible - here hoping!

These are the same critics who gave Jurassic World mixed reviews. I'd pay them no mind - they obviously don't like the idea of sequels to films that did poorly. I'm expecting a similar response to Star Wars later this year.

ts151268
06-26-2015, 07:19 AM
Thank you very much!!

sdtkfan
06-26-2015, 07:29 AM
Thanks. Will enjoy comparing it to the original scores.

euhki6
06-26-2015, 07:33 AM
Thanks Danke Gracias

Moviehobbyist
06-26-2015, 07:35 AM
Thanks!!

bond89
06-26-2015, 07:57 AM
Thanks!

DAKoftheOTA
06-26-2015, 07:59 AM
These are the same critics who gave Jurassic World mixed reviews. I'd pay them no mind - they obviously don't like the idea of sequels to films that did poorly. I'm expecting a similar response to Star Wars later this year.

Jurassic World was meh. I'm still baffled at how much it's grossed to date. Complete shock. Genisys can't do any worse, critically. And you know people will flock to see it. I was initially against it (and completely pissed off about the watered-down rating), but after the man himself, Cameron - gave his blessing, I was sold. It also can't be any worse than Rise of the Machines and especially Salvation.

Pinpon10
06-26-2015, 08:02 AM
Thank you very much :)

-ARES-
06-26-2015, 08:13 AM
Yay! Thanks!

jerrymui
06-26-2015, 08:27 AM
thanks

screenthemes123
06-26-2015, 08:28 AM
Thank you

Rouky
06-26-2015, 08:33 AM
Thanks !

comandancoucheto
06-26-2015, 08:34 AM
Thank you for sharing!

Rouky
06-26-2015, 08:34 AM
but after the man himself, Cameron - gave his blessing, I was sold.

Do you know James Cameron really really love Aliens VS Predator ? (lol)

medianaranja
06-26-2015, 08:35 AM
Thank you very much

FoxHound323
06-26-2015, 10:21 AM
Awesome. Thanks!

ttdd1986
06-26-2015, 10:23 AM
Thanksn man. Can't wait to listen this.

lavares
06-26-2015, 10:31 AM
thank you very much

martymarin
06-26-2015, 10:58 AM
thank you, what a great score!! WOW! five stars!

theiss2003
06-26-2015, 11:01 AM
Thank you but Tracks

21. What If I Can’t? (4:23)
22. Terminated (2:00)

are missing...

pedrop
06-26-2015, 11:16 AM
gracias

Iron Devil
06-26-2015, 11:29 AM
thanx!

tapoktro
06-26-2015, 11:38 AM

Terminator Genisys (2015) Soundtrack Score > Lorne Balfe

Link VBR: http://ulozto.net/x9nWFy87/terminatorgenisysscore-prowler-rar

Link 320k: http://uploaded.net/file/xm282ziu
Tracklist:
01. Fate and Hope
...
20. Guardianship

Minnasan
06-26-2015, 12:02 PM
Thank you!

parakati
06-26-2015, 12:36 PM
I just finished the download but i'm really pissed off with the cover,not just for this one but in general.
Where the hell is the creativity these "artists" suppose to have in order to do a descent job???? It seems as the covers these days are coming out of a formula for a Cosmopolitan cover, their thinking it's like :
" If these morons can't see her ass, they won't buy it" .
REALLY????????????? That's what the best you can do?? You're being paid actual money for these?
Sorry but i'm really angry right now... as for the music i'll be back later

darth2602
06-26-2015, 01:47 PM
No terminator's Theme ?

ggctuk2005
06-26-2015, 01:50 PM
No terminator's Theme ?

Check the first post. It's "Terminated". The theme is also quoted throughout the score itself (something that hasn't been done since T2 either).

T-Mann036
06-26-2015, 03:15 PM
I believe that tracks 21 and 22 are protected and only playable on iTunes.

liveorletdie
06-26-2015, 03:22 PM
Thanks!

Bioscope
06-26-2015, 03:23 PM
Just rename them to .m4a. I did it and they play ok on wnamp.

e_aguilar2
06-26-2015, 03:29 PM
Many thanks.

Crossbones
06-26-2015, 03:30 PM
Just rename them to .m4a. I did it and they play ok on wnamp.

Renaming works only or rather depends on either you're with Mac or PC. In case of PC I think it has to have some codec or something to rename the files so not all of us can just rename it as simple as it may seem like.

ggctuk2005
06-26-2015, 03:40 PM
Those two files open just fine in GoldWave when I rename them to M4A.

WillDekkard
06-26-2015, 04:55 PM
Thanks - Much appreciated !

mr_peewinkle
06-26-2015, 05:51 PM
So I have to admit that I have never heard the original Terminator theme for Terminator or T2 before I listened to this. When I first listened I was really disappointed by it. Because of the theme's that Balfe used and the really fake sounding orchestra throughout it. Now after hearing the original theme for Terminator I realize it's the same exact thing. I'm giving it another listen with that mind and see if my appreciation for it changes. I still feel like I'm listening to Transformers AOE though which still puts a rather generic taste in my mouth.

parakati
06-26-2015, 05:52 PM
Just renamed the files to m4a they're playing without problems on nexus 7. I assume that will be the case on Windows also

nuts_score
06-26-2015, 06:24 PM
Check the first post. It's "Terminated". The theme is also quoted throughout the score itself (something that hasn't been done since T2 either).

I listened to this album last night and am currently dumbfounded how I missed any additional phrases from Fiedel's Terminator score in the rest of Balfe's music. The final track, "Terminated," features an excellent re-production of the T2 arrangement (Balfe and Zimmer operating in top form) but the rest is sub-Jablonsky, unfortunately. Someone said earlier they would rather be listening to Age of Extinction: I agree. After their awesome rejected score for Dredd (available on Drokk: Music Inspired by Mega City-One) and the creepy work on Ex Machina, Geoff Barrow and Ben Salisbury would've done Fiedel proud.

Can anyone help me find these additional uses of Fiedel's theme?

pappy81963a
06-26-2015, 07:07 PM
Thank you

scrat28
06-26-2015, 09:50 PM
Many many thanks for sharing! :-)

mememememe
06-26-2015, 09:55 PM
Thanks!

me-here
06-26-2015, 10:54 PM
Thanx

zanic
06-26-2015, 11:58 PM
Thanks

Firestars004
06-27-2015, 02:14 AM
Thanks :)

ezanie
06-27-2015, 03:11 AM
thanks!

germen
06-27-2015, 03:35 AM
thaaaaanks!

T-Mann036
06-27-2015, 04:02 AM
After listening to this soundtrack, I was completely hooked. Lorne Balfe may not be Brad Fidel (thank God he's not), but delivers the good on each track. Very enjoyable and perfectly fits the action in this up-coming film. Props go to soundtrack executive producer Hans Zimmer. Overall, I give it a B for this music from the motion picture Terminator: Genisys.

Benvincible
06-27-2015, 04:50 AM
Awesome Stuff!!!!

daypass
06-27-2015, 05:55 AM
After listening to this soundtrack, I was completely hooked. Lorne Balfe may not be Brad Fidel (thank God he's not), but delivers the good on each track.

Movie itself is getting poor advance reviews (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/terminator_genisys/), but Balfe's integration of Fiedel's themes in "Terminated" is pretty epic!

There's a bonus track "Griffith Park" on Soundcloud (https://soundcloud.com/the-playlist-podcast/griffith-park-terminator-genisys-lorne-balfe).

ostrogorsky
06-27-2015, 06:08 AM
Many thanks :)

chuchin_81
06-27-2015, 06:43 AM
Thanks!! :P

ggctuk2005
06-27-2015, 06:47 AM
Movie itself is getting poor advance reviews (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/terminator_genisys/), but Balfe's integration of Fiedel's themes in "Terminated" is pretty epic!

There's a bonus track "Griffith Park" on Soundcloud (https://soundcloud.com/the-playlist-podcast/griffith-park-terminator-genisys-lorne-balfe).

As I said, pay no mind to the reviews and base your opinions on what you see, not what others think you should think. remember that these same critics gave Jurassic World middling reviews (and will probably do so for the last of the 'Big 3 sequels' - SWTFA).

As for the bonus track, "Griffith Park" is the track that should have been on the OST. It's the music scoring 1984 scenes where the T-800 is interrupted by Guardian and destroyed. It includes Brad Fiedel's famous "mechanical heartbeat" motif from the first film.

locofovich
06-27-2015, 06:53 AM
Thank you very much!

repoman10001
06-27-2015, 07:06 AM
Thanks!

fc14org
06-27-2015, 08:10 AM
Thanks!

kiken
06-27-2015, 08:15 AM
super, super thanks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

T-Mann036
06-27-2015, 02:13 PM
"Griffith Park" could have been added to the original soundtrack. Thanks for sharing it though, daypass.

helixGB
06-27-2015, 02:34 PM
This score is "Transformers" on acid. There is "Arrival to Earth", "Optimus", or "Scorponok" reminiscences in every other track.

Does anyone yet know where "Griffith Park" fits in the score?

scratch_nasty
06-27-2015, 05:40 PM
Thanks - I renamed #21 and #22 on a PC and they work fine in Media Player and iTunes.

Does anyone know where Griffith Park fits in or do we have to wait to see the movie!?

wayfarer
06-27-2015, 05:48 PM
Movie itself is getting poor advance reviews (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/terminator_genisys/), but Balfe's integration of Fiedel's themes in "Terminated" is pretty epic!

There's a bonus track "Griffith Park" on Soundcloud (https://soundcloud.com/the-playlist-podcast/griffith-park-terminator-genisys-lorne-balfe).

If any clever soundtrack fan can rip that, it'll make a lot of happy Terminator fans happy. I haven't got any software to do it, on my Mini-Mac. I should look to getting some.

scratch_nasty
06-27-2015, 06:19 PM
If any clever soundtrack fan can rip that, it'll make a lot of happy Terminator fans happy. I haven't got any software to do it, on my Mini-Mac. I should look to getting some.

PM me.

DAKoftheOTA
06-27-2015, 07:02 PM
If any clever soundtrack fan can rip that, it'll make a lot of happy Terminator fans happy. I haven't got any software to do it, on my Mini-Mac. I should look to getting some.


PM me.

You guys, it's not rocket science (https://mega.co.nz/#!XIw1wDLC!3WL0oUd9vjLrVBG7rC-KAhvY8gdVFHrGWIMxKNXgaOQ). Granted it's in 128k, but still

parakati
06-27-2015, 08:33 PM
So I have to admit that I have never heard the original Terminator theme for Terminator or T2 before I listened to this.

I'm surprised man , how old are you??? How is this possible?


When I first listened I was really disappointed by it

I still feel like I'm listening to Transformers AOE though which still puts a rather generic taste in my mouth

Same here, there is nothin' exceptional on it ,except for the "Judgement Day" track which is very enjoyable the least !

T-Mann036
06-27-2015, 09:04 PM
Here's a look at my fan-made rear cover for Terminator Genisys!



talent
06-27-2015, 09:06 PM
Thanks Courage750!

MeisterZeek
06-27-2015, 09:22 PM
Thank you, mate!

parakati
06-27-2015, 10:09 PM
Here's a look at my fan-made rear cover for Terminator Genisys!



Finally,someone got that ass right !!!

DAKoftheOTA
06-27-2015, 10:15 PM
I'm surprised man , how old are you??? How is this possible?

I thought this same thing. Must be a child of the mid-90's, or maybe lives under a rock with Sulley :p

Lockdown
06-27-2015, 10:18 PM
Here's a look at my fan-made rear cover for Terminator Genisys!
Well played, T-Mann.

brillenschlumpf
06-27-2015, 10:18 PM
So he�s back again, thanks for the new Terminator-Score

Lockdown
06-27-2015, 10:18 PM
I've never seen any of the films.

danhalluk
06-27-2015, 11:51 PM
Check the first post. It's "Terminated". The theme is also quoted throughout the score itself (something that hasn't been done since T2 either).

It's generous to say the theme is 'quoted throughout.' It occurs partially on 2 tracks other than 'Terminated.' It wasn't enough for me, considering the rest of it is fairly generic noise.

OrangeC
06-28-2015, 03:46 AM
Anyone know if more of feidel's themes appear throughout the movie, than whats just on the soundtrack?

barknuggets
06-28-2015, 05:11 AM
Thanks!

skorny
06-28-2015, 08:37 AM
Thanks!

daypass
06-28-2015, 09:14 AM
Does anyone know where Griffith Park fits in or do we have to wait to see the movie!?

Griffith Park is where the Terminator encounters the punks (http://www.itsfilmedthere.com/2012/08/the-terminator.html), which is replicated in "Genysis" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wU5VUa3sJM). I'd guess it's early scene, but don't know for sure.

HansCastorpMM
06-28-2015, 09:24 AM
That unreleased track is one of the best from the entire score. And for me, the fact that it does sound like Transformers at times only makes it better. Those scores still hold up today for me

Greyson
07-10-2015, 11:29 PM
Thanks!

GrayEdwards
07-12-2015, 06:11 AM
Thanks for sharing, even though the film was easily the worst of this year and the score itself was very generic. A major (but not unexpected) letdown on both fronts.

Please don't make anymore Terminator films, Hollywood.

RadikKolacek
07-12-2015, 09:06 AM
Thanks a lot. BTW knows anybody which track is when Kyle enter the time machine?

ggctuk2005
07-12-2015, 07:10 PM
It's similar to Fate & Hope, though that track is a suite rather than a film cue. The actual cue is unreleased.

Chache10
07-12-2015, 07:49 PM
Many thanks!!

Max Rockatansky
07-12-2015, 08:19 PM
If any clever soundtrack fan can rip that, it'll make a lot of happy Terminator fans happy. I haven't got any software to do it, on my Mini-Mac. I should look to getting some.

PM me.

Guys.... For real? Just paste the link here and convert to whatever codec you want:

convert2mp3.net - Online Video converter (http://convert2mp3.net/en/index.php)

AL.CODA
07-12-2015, 09:17 PM
thanks

Rikkun
07-13-2015, 02:15 AM
thank you

T-800
08-02-2015, 07:53 AM
T H A N K Y O U

Coldblackice
08-11-2015, 11:54 AM
Thanks a lot. BTW knows anybody which track is when Kyle enter the time machine?

Seconded. It's the only piece I was interested in.


That unreleased track is one of the best from the entire score. And for me, the fact that it does sound like Transformers at times only makes it better. Those scores still hold up today for me


It's similar to Fate & Hope, though that track is a suite rather than a film cue. The actual cue is unreleased.

^This really pisses me off. It seems to be a "phenomenon" that's occurring more and more with movie music these days -- just like the whole Interstellar fiasco.

So should we now expect that there will be a super-duper-digital-deluxe-iTunes-chrome-Terminator-with-Arnold-butt-naked-and-on-steroids edition released sometime in the near future?

...which will still probably be missing this track, as it's then pushed to the next edition.

ggctuk2005
08-11-2015, 09:04 PM
Actually, expect a sessions leak within the next year. RCP stuff leaks really easily (except for TASM2).

Lockdown
08-11-2015, 09:07 PM
Actually, expect a sessions leak within the next year. RCP stuff leaks really easily (except for TASM2).
I'm guessing that the full thing will more than likely be uploaded to Paramount Guilds website. I'm hoping, at least.

Why do you exclude TASM2? There's way more than that :P

ggctuk2005
08-11-2015, 09:28 PM
I'm guessing that the full thing will more than likely be uploaded to Paramount Guilds website. I'm hoping, at least.

Why do you exclude TASM2? There's way more than that :P

True - I mean, it took almost 20 years for The Lion King to leak, and there are plenty of other notable RCP-scored films that have yet to have their scores leak, but TASM2 is the one that is most wanted ATM.

13mh13
08-14-2015, 07:59 AM
Thanks a lot!

son_of_dudikoff
08-15-2015, 11:20 PM
thanks a lot.

apophis
08-16-2015, 12:29 PM
Anyone know if the song used in the second trailer has been released?

wiboy75
10-18-2015, 06:20 AM
Thank you

oosoul
10-18-2015, 04:00 PM
Great Share!!!!!

ggctuk2005
10-18-2015, 05:27 PM
There's now a physcial release. Just so you know.

stonewalls
10-18-2015, 07:32 PM
Thank you.

FraGo
10-19-2015, 05:32 AM
Thank you

devang98
10-19-2015, 05:02 PM
Thanks a ton for the Score

Sn0wGl0be
11-09-2015, 01:53 AM
Thanks alot!

scoobydoo72
11-09-2015, 06:12 AM
Thanks!

_Worf_
11-09-2015, 10:46 AM
Thanks

lizbeth007
11-09-2015, 12:59 PM
thx so much !!! :) xoxo

MojaveMissile
11-09-2015, 11:51 PM
Thanks!

radionaut
11-10-2015, 12:46 AM
Many, many thanks!!!

snake.0
11-15-2015, 10:38 AM
thanks

Misteretc
12-12-2015, 04:20 PM
Thanks!

tarawa25
12-19-2015, 04:13 AM
thank you.

D1ngus
01-20-2016, 12:40 AM
Thank you!

Edit:

Started listening to it and........does anyone else feel like they are listening to another Transformers Score? I just keep skipping to the next song because there is absolutely nothing original to it. Really disappointed in it.

I did wonder if it was a Jablonsky score almost as soon as I heard it, maybe that's why I liked it so no complaints here!

reppa35
01-20-2016, 02:23 AM
Thanks

max_stein
01-20-2016, 05:52 AM
Thank you for sharing this music

D1ngus
02-01-2016, 06:56 PM
They missed out the best bit:( it is, however, on soundcloud (search Griffith park), was wondering if anyone knew how to download from there in lossless. If not I'll upload the mp3 version I've already downloaded if anyone is interested