WORK IN PROGRESS




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Ramin Djawadi's excellent score to 2008's IRON MAN has been presented and compiled into multiple packages and releases since it went official. Seven years later, we have several expanded and complete sets available here and around the 'net. Unfortunately, we have yet to locate the Recording Sessions for this particular film which would have made the job much simpler. What makes this project different from most of the sets around is that it will not only try to present the entirety of the score used in the film composed by Djawadi but also incorporate source music (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_music) as well to present in one package, the very complete music from the movie. We aim to use the uncompressed surround track from the film's Blu-ray release as a source in addition to the sources already available to us.

If you have any other audio sources we could work with please comment here.
Patience is recommended otherwise.

This is a development discussion thread only.

LET IT BEGIN!!! :D

Will this include the missing music where Tony smashes the Arc Reactor? That cue was so...oddly poignant, in my opinion.

Will this include the missing music where Tony smashes the Arc Reactor? That cue was so...oddly poignant, in my opinion.

It will be the complete soundtrack, everything in the film, the way it's heard. So to answer your question: yes.

Will this include the missing music where Tony smashes the Arc Reactor? That cue was so...oddly poignant, in my opinion.

Ooooo good question... that cue is missing from the complete isn't it?

This should have been mentioned earlier, but I would like to say that whoever rips the Blu-ray for the source cues - it would be most helpful if the entire film can be ripped, this way I have high quality audio to work with. The complete score has only surfaced in 320k, and working with that in Audition and then exporting at the same bitrate will only reduce the quality even further. So If I can have FLAC to work with, that would be greeeeaaaaatttttt.....

Problem being that the rip would be riddled with SFX and speech while the "complete" score wouldn't. I know I wouldn't be interested... 1:43:46 worth of music that isn't "clean"? To each his own, i guess. I could go for anything NOT released having traces of SFX/speech. I can produce the entire audiostream (DTS-HDMA) from the film, but having it in stereo would make those SFX/speech virtually impossible to remove and the complete surround file would be somewhere in the multiple GB section. I will hold ripping the source music until someone decides what to do. Is that ok? :)

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Ok, i have the Dolby THD stream ripped (clean, without the AC3) and it's just above 3 GB. Converting that to 6 separate channels of uncompressed wav-files (keeping the original 24/48) for easier editing brings the total up to 6.08 GB. I'm off for most of the day, i'll check back later tonight to catch up here :) remember, i can deliver these in any format you wish. Making them stereo (yes, i know i keep repeating myself) will make it extremely hard to remove any unwanted noise.

Ok, all ripped and converted to 24/48 wav-files (the entire audio stream). Uploading as we speak. Dak voluntered for the editing so i will be sending the links to him. If anyone else is willing, have a chat with him so there is no double work and then i can make those links available. Full surround, separated to 1 center wav (mono), 1 front wav (stereo), 1 rear wav (stereo) and 1 LFE/subwoofer wav (mono).

I think the surround is a-ok. Plus, it's easier to isolate the dialogue/fx better on surround than on stereo files, AFAIK. Which you pointed out.

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Okay, another thing guys, we need to figure out what's missing from the released soundtrack that's really good and something we can then rip out of the movie audio track. Such as the reactor thing jurassic mentioned.

Are there any cues that are missing from the complete score and are good(not repeats)?

Are there any cues that are missing from the complete score and are good(not repeats)?

I honestly do not know what's missing from the complete score. This is why we need the fucking slates.

I would contact jmn77 and ask him, he'll probably know

I honestly do not know what's missing from the complete score. This is why we need the fucking slates.


I've been meaning to ask around about this. How do you get production slates for films? I mean, if scorepranos doesn't have them that is. Where do you look?

I've been meaning to ask around about this. How do you get production slates for films? I mean, if scorepranos doesn't have them that is. Where do you look?

You ask the other one lol. Scoreman. Or ask people who have sheets (mgm)

I asked scorepranos, he's yet to get back and i'll ask mgm5215 right now. By scoreman, you mean this one (http://forums.ffshrine.org/members/scoreman-60854) right

Aye, that be him

Did you get the rip from Calidoran? PM me the links too. forgot to ask him when he was online.

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mgm5215 says slates never got leaked. My hopes are descending. Still, two to go.

update: negative on scoreman. got the links. are as expected, hella big. all hope is bound with scorepranos.

Did you get the rip from Calidoran? PM me the links too. forgot to ask him when he was online.
got the links. are as expected, hella big.

Does that mean you got the links? I need to be deleting the files to make some much needed space on Mega :)

I don't know what happened but somehow the archives I got didn't have the left or right channels. Just centre, LFE, front and rear. Upon a cursory browse, apart from most of the dialogue being in centre, there are fx and echoes (at least from the awards speech) in the rear and front channels whereas LFE is well, LFE. :( There goes the hope that music would be on a separate channel all alone.

Nothing happened. I chose to separate them that way. Center is an independent mono channel. I put the front channels together as stereo since they do belong together. If an SFX fades from right to left there, it would be harder to try to remove it if the channels were separate. Same thing with the rear channels - stereo. And as you say, LFE is... LFE ;) only the lowest bass frequencies there, but still, the movie or the music wouldn't have the same oumph if it was absent. That's why i included it.

It's extremely rare in newer films to have the music in separate channels. The only thing to do is try to remove all SFX and speech as good as possible, which in most cases would mean use the channels with the least amount of them. But that also means removing parts of the music since that is just as frequently spread ove all channels.

And this is what lead me to my statement - Use the "complete" score and fill in the gaps with this bluray rip. If someone just finds the music that is missing, marks the times and saves me that time looking for them, i could have a look (listen) to it and see what i can do :)

Ok, I'm really confused here. Could someone update me as to what exactly is going on?!

I've just been listening to Skelly's FLAC rip. I've just got up to the end of Stark's escape. The only stuff missing up to that point is the song at the very beginning in the army vehicle, and then an alternate version of the part of "Escape" when Yinsen dies. If you listen carefully, it's different to that part in the cue we already have. (Different chord progression, and instrumentation, most notably a flute.)

Calidoran,

I get why you put LFE there. Anthony H. Stark loves his bass.

I hate it when the music sounds 'tinny' or just like it's coming from a tunnel or something(missing frequencies) but I think in this case that might be unavoidable, I think. Too bad it's not on another channel, then we could have had an isolated score a long time ago. This is what I was afraid of too.

And that's the plan. To use the Blu-ray for music that's not already there, or has a film variation that's too good to pass up. Otherwise we could use a lossless complete score, which I believe is only available as a bootleg.

Sully,
Calidoran did another rip. It has discrete channels and left right mixed. I don't have Skelly's rip but I'll get it later to compare.


As a side note, I love the way it starts. The desert whoosh and then AC-F'ING-DC!

Should you want the front stereo and rear stereo separate, that's not hard to fix. But then it would take some more work putting it together. This way, what's playing to the left is to the left and so on. The center is in the middle as a mono channel as is the LFE/subwoofer

I think Skelly's rip is just like that. All channels separate. I'll confirm when it finishes downloading.

Just opened Skelly's rip in Audacity. It took AGES but it's finally loaded. At the bit I mentioned (Yinsen's death), the dialogue is all in channel 3. I'm hoping this is the case throughout...

The voices during Obadiah's piano playing (all 17 seconds of it) are all on channel 3. However, removing channel 3 decreases the quality of the piano.

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And unfortunately Rhodey's ringtone is only on channel 3, along with a fair amount of FX. :/

channel 3 being center channel ;) and i also tried the ringtone. The FX can mostly be cleaned but this leaves the ringtone with a somewhat "wonky" sound

Just to be clear, does an actual FLAC version of the complete score exist? Like I mentioned before, it sucks that all I have to work with is MP3, because exporting it at the same bitrate will only further reduce the quality. At least if I had FLAC to work with it wouldn't be as bad. But I'll work with what I have.

Due to there being SFX (specifically the sound of Stark's drink as well as the Funvee driving on the road), is anyone able to recreate the sound of Back In Black as if it's being played through a radio?

channel 3 being center channel ;) and i also tried the ringtone. The FX can mostly be cleaned but this leaves the ringtone with a somewhat "wonky" sound

It's not the centre if there are six channels... or is my math wrong?!

Yeah... not sure what to do about that.

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Due to there being SFX (specifically the sound of Stark's drink as well as the Funvee driving on the road), is anyone able to recreate the sound of Back In Black as if it's being played through a radio?

Wow... you're sure going at this, aren't you, DAK?! If we had the sessions and they included the source cues, Back In Black wouldn't sound like it was coming through a radio...

Wow... you're sure going at this, aren't you, DAK?! If we had the sessions and they included the source cues, Back In Black wouldn't sound like it was coming through a radio...

You're damn right I am. It's. It's not the complete soundtrack as heard in the film if it's not exact. It's heard twice in 2 different variations: the first time when it opens in the Kunar Province as we see the Humvees driving, then it switches to inside the Funvee as its revealed to be playing through a boombox. The second time is an excerpt of the song when it flashes back to the explosion and Stark's kidnap.

You're damn right I am. It's. It's not the complete soundtrack as heard in the film if it's not exact. It's heard twice in 2 different variations: the first time when it opens in the Kunar Province as we see the Humvees driving, then it switches to inside the Funvee as its revealed to be playing through a boombox. The second time is an excerpt of the song when it flashes back to the explosion and Stark's kidnap.

Tbh, I'm not after something that plays exactly as heard in the film. As long as it has all the music used in the film, and it's in chronological order, I'm happy. So in this case, I'd be happy with just having Back In Black as the opening track, and that would be fine. But hey, we're all different! :-P

It's not just Back in Black. It's Back in Black with atmosphere. And that sudden cut with explosions and stuff.

I tried fixing the piano piece. Have a listen:

(It's called Concerto In Do Maggiore Per Pianoforte Ed Orchestra: Larghetto, composed by Antonio Salieri and performed by Ramin Djawadi, btw)

Zippyshare.com - piano.rar (http://www8.zippyshare.com/v/idnkLjpl/file.html)

It's not the centre if there are six channels... or is my math wrong?!

Yeah... not sure what to do about that.

The standard 5.1 surround sound is delivered using two L channels, two R channels, one LFE channel and one Centre channel making up the 5 speakers and .1 Subwoofer.




The 'wonky' part is about the missing frequencies which are scattered across other channels(the ones with the FX, etc) that we remove to isolate the ringtone.
I think I need to learn some more about taking SFX and dialogue out, I mean there's got to be some way we can preserve necessary frequencies and take FX out.

And DAK, I have no clue whether the FLAC CS exists or not. I don't remember any FLAC versions of the ones posted but I'll recheck.

And that sudden cut with explosions and stuff.

Yep that's what I was referring to when I said the quick flashback to the explosion and Stark's kidnap


It's called Concerto In Do Maggiore Per Pianoforte Ed Orchestra: Larghetto, composed by Antonio Salieri and performed by Ramin Djawadi, btw

Antonio Salieri as in Amadeus Salieri? How about that

The 'wonky' part is about the missing frequencies which are scattered across other channels(the ones with the FX, etc) that we remove to isolate the ringtone.
I think I need to learn some more about taking SFX and dialogue out, I mean there's got to be some way we can preserve necessary frequencies and take FX out.

:) nope, the wonky part is due to trying to remove SFX. Because at the same time you are removing frequencies from the ringtone ;) can't remove one without the other, so there is no way of preserving. And the only channel that had the ringtone was the center channel so removing the other channels didn't have any effect on the sound of the ringtone.

Let's face it: If it were THAT easy to take out SFX and dialogue, we would be flooded with "complete" scores that sounded perfect ;) i know, i have been trying for years.

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It's not the centre if there are six channels... or is my math wrong?!

What Helix explained ;) And besides, if you rip the audio with the help of EAC3TO, you will get each channel labeled as it should be - center, left, right, left satellite, right satellite and LFE/subwoofer - instead of just numbered as "channel 3", which isn't very descriptive :)

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Just to be clear, does an actual FLAC version of the complete score exist? Like I mentioned before, it sucks that all I have to work with is MP3, because exporting it at the same bitrate will only further reduce the quality. At least if I had FLAC to work with it wouldn't be as bad. But I'll work with what I have.

Due to there being SFX (specifically the sound of Stark's drink as well as the Funvee driving on the road), is anyone able to recreate the sound of Back In Black as if it's being played through a radio?

One question then, why would you be exporting to MP3? FLAC-files aren't that much bigger than high quality MP3 and you would lose no quality compared to the source.

Also, Audition has some filters that might simulate that radio sound. Not sure how close you could come...

One question then, why would you be exporting to MP3? FLAC-files aren't that much bigger than high quality MP3 and you would lose no quality compared to the source.

Also, Audition has some filters that might simulate that radio sound. Not sure how close you could come...

No no, I meant if I had actual FLAC files to work with I would also export in FLAC, not MP3. Should have specified.

I'm sure Audition has filters and I could mess around with Back In Black, but idk how to do that. I can probably find out on YouTube or something

Well, I know you could EQ it to make a it sound like it's on radio, when they switch to inside view of the Humvee. I remember something like this in Audacity. There was a wave...

Oh and Calidoran, I remember some(?) Hi-Fi systems used to have this 'karaoke' mode which sortof eliminated the voices from a song. Is there a way to simulate that on a computer?

Humvee

Damnit, it's the Funvee! You must be riding in the hum-drumvee with Rhodey....

http://i.imgur.com/KcYL7t4.gif

Oh sorry, the Funvee. :)

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Every time, I feel like I should be getting sick of this movie by now I realize I can't.

Haha, I completely agree with you there, Helix my boy! I have been plagued by a horrid cold for the last two days and really haven't been up to much at all. So now I'm lying in bed, once again engrossed in the movie. But seeing as it's now 02:45am here in Monstropolis, I really think I have to take J.A.R.V.I.S' advice and power down for the night. Maybe I'll finish watching it tomorrow night...

Still, it's a good place to stop - "Kill power."

Well, hope you get up to full capacity soon. We have some fierce battles to win, buddy. Now, don't trash the piano again. It was embarassing last time Obie had to play something and a silver metal suit thing was in the way

I'll try my best. ;) Thanks for the well-wishes.

(Oh, and before either of you ask, no, I'm not wearing those pajamas Stark sent me.)

My pajamas have penguins on them

I still can't stop loling at the Funvee reply you gave me. :) All through the Oscars I was thinking about it, laughing during the In Memoriam stuff.

No no, I meant if I had actual FLAC files to work with I would also export in FLAC, not MP3. Should have specified.

Yes, but i meant start with MP3, convert to wav, edit the files (and since they now are wav it doesn't matter if you save them in between) and then export them as FLAC. This way you'll keep what quality there is and the only thing making it sound worse is your own tinkering ;) that's how i do it anyway. Open the MP3 and then drop that horrid (for audio editing purposes) format.


Well, I know you could EQ it to make a it sound like it's on radio, when they switch to inside view of the Humvee. I remember something like this in Audacity. There was a wave...

Oh and Calidoran, I remember some(?) Hi-Fi systems used to have this 'karaoke' mode which sortof eliminated the voices from a song. Is there a way to simulate that on a computer?

There are some effects in Audition in the Filters section (can't remember where) that can emulate a radio sound. Try them out, i think they are labeled as the effect they give. And Audition does have a karaoke effect - Center Channel Extractor - and as long as the voices are located in the center, it does a pretty good job at it. This naturally only works with stereo files and should there be echos to the left and right, they will still be there. Besides, we're working with a surround file here, so removing the center channel from the mix does the same thing. There could be other programs out there that does a better job and Audition might also be able to do something better if you tinker with the settings. Righ now, i can't tell since i haven't used that effect much

Wait... did this thread just die on me? Or did everyone participating realize just how much and how hard work was involved in cleaning up SFX and speech? :-P

I would love to see a complete tracklist though, if anyone has gotten around to that :)

I might be able to compile a complete tracklist, if I have some time. I've come down with a vicious stomach bug, so don't expect anything any time soon... Thanks for your hard work though. :)

Wait... did this thread just die on me? Or did everyone participating realize just how much and how hard work was involved in cleaning up SFX and speech? :-P


Thread's (hopefully) not dead, still breathing. Napping maybe.

I've gotten busy all of a sudden so there's that. Also, I thought I'd learn some more skillz before I return to this. So, in a way you're right, at least I realized how goddamn hard this is. Maybe DAK's had better luck. :p

Any updates, anybody?

Any updates, anybody?

Not from Monstropolis, no...

At the moment, I don't think I have the time to go through the film and make a definitive track list...

Here's an update (of sorts):

Just finished watching Iron Man. The beginning of "Suiting Up" is different. We're definitely missing the cue when Tony tries to get the Mk. I chest piece. And we're missing the cue when Rhodey is watching Tony suit up. We're also missing the post-credits scene cue, which I'm guessing should be called "The Avengers Initiative". I think there were one or two other bits, but those were the main ones I noticed. I also really appreciated recognising the source music at the benefit.

Damn it, where are the sessions?!

I think one of the things keeping me from starting this mammoth project was HD space on my Mac. But I just found 79GB I can free up by transferring some iTunes HD digital copies to one of my external drives. That will definitely help in multiple ways - by making my Mac run a bit faster and also allowing a lot of space to store the session once I start it. I've also been working on other projects (like Sucker Punch), so I've been a little distracted. My mind is always all over the place and never focused on one thing. After I clear these movies (it'll take a little while), I'll be Getting Started (see what I did there? That's the name of one of the cues :p). So I'm looking at later this afternoon.

As I skim through the front channel in Audition, I can see that Tony & Christine (or as some of you know it, "Sex With Reporter") is completely free of SFX and dialogue and therefore is the film version. It's in WAV and is at 48kHz, so I will definitely be using this one over the version on the complete score. Fingers crossed I can use other pieces from the channels....

After I clear these movies (it'll take a little while), I'll be Getting Started (see what I did there? That's the name of one of the cues :p).

Haha no need to specify the reference - I do that kind of thing the whole time. :P

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As I skim through the front channel in Audition, I can see that Tony & Christine (or as some of you know it, "Sex With Reporter") is completely free of SFX and dialogue and therefore is the film version. It's in WAV and is at 48kHz, so I will definitely be using this one over the version on the complete score. Fingers crossed I can use other pieces from the channels....

Is the film version of Sex With Christine (let's just combine the cue names, shall we?) actually different in any way to the complete score version we already have?

Update:

I quit. Not sure if it's for good, but temporarily I quit. Many of the cues in the film have been tampered to the point where they don't match up with the cues that have been released. And I can't use any of the channels because they all have either SFX, dialogue, or nothing in them. I got frustrated, saved the project and closed it. Idk if this will ever be possible. I've moved on to my Interstellar film edit for now.

Update:

I quit. Not sure if it's for good, but temporarily I quit. Many of the cues in the film have been tampered to the point where they don't match up with the cues that have been released. And I can't use any of the channels because they all have either SFX, dialogue, or nothing in them. I got frustrated, saved the project and closed it. Idk if this will ever be possible. I've moved on to my Interstellar film edit for now.

Hmm. That's what I feared. It's a tricky project, for sure.

It's a tricky project, for sure.

http://i.imgur.com/kfwY9Tx.gif

Many of the cues in the film have been tampered to the point where they don't match up with the cues that have been released.

So why keep to the cues we know of? Taking the alterations in mind, split them according to what's happening in the scene while making up your own slates.


And I can't use any of the channels because they all have either SFX, dialogue, or nothing in them. I got frustrated, saved the project and closed it. Idk if this will ever be possible. I've moved on to my Interstellar film edit for now.

Every cue is like this? Damn.
Anyway, good luck on the Interstellar mix. See you around here, someday. ;)

Bitch, please. Interstellar has been cake. I would've been done hours ago if I didn't stop for dinner and Modern Family. I'm on 6m26 No Time for Caution. Only a handful of cues (literally, like a handful) crossfade. I didn't realize how much silence there was in the film/how many gaps there are. It's weird for a Zimmer score. I'm not used to a project being this simple lol

Bitch, please. Interstellar has been cake. I would've been done hours ago if I didn't stop for dinner and Modern Family. I'm on 6m26 No Time for Caution. Only a handful of cues (literally, like a handful) crossfade. I didn't realize how much silence there was in the film/how many gaps there are. It's weird for a Zimmer score. I'm not used to a project being this simple lol

:) lol, I know. I watched it twice again last week and noticed that it's pretty clean on the sound mix, usually dialogues don't have music behind it and when it does it's only a few lines. Quite unlike the beast we have here.

:) lol, I know. I watched it twice again last week and noticed that it's pretty clean on the sound mix, usually dialogues don't have music behind it and when it does it's only a few lines. Quite unlike the beast we have here.

Not that any of us here have a problem with Stark's dialogue...

;) i told you that this isn't as easy as some people thought. And that's why i usually stick to true isolated scores and not rips of the regular audio stream (i hope everyone here KNOWS what an isolated score is, because this has nothing to do with it even if many think so).

If someone manages to get SOME pieces of music from Iron Man that doesn't have any SFX or speech in them, at least something will have been won :) problem is that sometimes by using only front or rear channels, you lose parts of the orchestra that is mixed in the other channels.

Prolly just the parts we don't already have (in the CS or the retail versions) could be taken. Instead of all of it.

Prolly just the parts we don't already have (in the CS or the retail versions) could be taken. Instead of all of it.

Agreed.

I really enjoyed the music in this movie - original and inspired by.

Although not particularly relevant atm, I decided to clear this up...

I've just watched the scene where Pepper sneaks into Obadiah's office at the same time listening to 6m42a V1. As I suspected, with only the smallest amount of film editing needed as Pepper starts watching the terrorists' video, the music fits exactly. As the lift doors open, as Pepper opens the door to the office, as the camera switches to inside the office, as Pepper plugs in the drive and starts going through the files. Being so similar musically to the opening of "Pepper Steals Files", I'd bet my life it's an alternate opening to that cue. So that's where I've stuck it in iTunes. :)