Hey all. This is the end credit suite for The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies. It's in Dolby AC3 Stereo 224kbps (upmixable to 5.1 or 7.1 with Dolby Pro-Logic) since that is the highest quality of the DVD Screener copy available. There is some music in the credits that isn't on the official soundtrack so enjoy! The most notable cue that was missing from the soundtrack, and is in this suite, is the cue that plays multiple times (when Bard is shooting arrows at Smaug and when he is reunited with his children). I can't believe that wasn't on the original soundtrack considering they used that cue and other versions of it so much in the film.

Once it is available in DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1, I will be uploading it and 'The Last Goodbye' in 7.1 FLAC quality so stay tuned for that in 3 to 4 months!

Link: The file is continuously being taken down... If anyone else wants to reupload it, be my guest. I cannot just keep uploading it as I risk compromising my account if I continue to do so.

Pass (for those with the file): fivearmies (old) & botfa (new)

Yeah, thanks a lot. :)

Thanks a lot!

Thanks! Have been listening to a phone recording till now!

thanks!!

thanks a lot. The soundtrack was disapointing, not musically but it misses lot of stuff. Its a really short score compare to the hobbit 1 and 2

probably better than what I could rip
thanks

Thanks for the share!

Thank you for sharing

thank you

Still haven't seen the film, but I'm quite excited to hear more music nonetheless haha! Thanks for making this available to us!

Three years in a row you deliver on these. I love you

Thanks!!

Thank you very much for this !!
Very nice indeed ;-)

Thanks!

Thanks for this.

This will have to do until BD's surface.

Thanks for posting this JCH152!!! The link seems to be gone or dead now, though. Any chance of being able to re-up it?

Thanks!

Fixed

JCH152, This is very good, I added it to my "Hobbit" music. Thank you again

Thank you! Definitely adding this to my end credit suite playlist!

Thanks!

Muchas Gracias por compartir...

Muchas Gracias!!

Thanks.

The file is continuously being taken down... If anyone else wants to reupload it, be my guest. I cannot just keep uploading it as I risk compromising my account if I continue to do so.

Apologies.

My guess is it's because it's from a DVD-screener.
Could be watermarked.

The digital audio watermark. The non-audible encryption.

Best to let it die and wait for the bluray.
And probably change the naming scheme of the archive when that happens.

My end credits to Godzilla in stereo got DMCA'ed on me with Mega.
I've not bothered to re-up on account it just might get hit again.

So, does anyone still have this one around? I' missed it :(

So, does anyone still have this one around? I' missed it :(

It's probably gotten DMCA'ed more than once since the last time.

It's not going to be very easy to keep upped.
Especially, not on MEGA.
And, especially a DVD Screener version.

Other file hosts may take it for a short while before a DMCA takedown comes along.

Right, alright. Guess I'll get my own DVD Screener :D

Some history on DVD screeners and watermarks:
Pirates defeating watermarks, releasing torrents of Oscar movie screeners | Ars Technica (http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/01/pirates-defeating-watermarks-releasing-torrents-of-oscar-movie-screeners/)

It mentions the "watermark".

But, it's not like an audible watermark you hear on some streaming sites where they say stuff like "you're listening to a sample on amazon.com" intermittently.

No, this watermark is different.

These, inaudible, watermarks make contact with the original person who legally owns the rights to such content.
In thase, the Guild.
This can't ever be detected by firewalls, antivirus, antimalware. I don't care how smart you think you are with what you download for security software. You'd need something like WireShark to monitor all internet packets to figure this one out.
The Guild can trace back to the original uploader, how they nabbed a couple people who were the first ones to upload the DVD screener.
People who download are not dealt with first. Priorities. :smrt:

These inaudible watermarks come in variations, I believe. Depending which company you go with (and there are a lot of them).
Some will span across the frequency domain, very much like Cinavia for blu-ray.
Converting to a new format will not fix this, at all.
You need to find the exact frequency the watermark is occupying and scrub it.
This means some of the shared audio in the same frequencies will get destroyed, unless you make an effort to try repair with fancy programs and plugins.
You can't really detect it by looking at spectrograms either. You have to know a little bit about this technology in the first place.



That's how they nabbed the guy who uploaded The King's Speech in 2011.
FBI raids apartment of alleged King?s Speech uploader | Ars Technica (http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/04/fbi-raids-apartment-of-alleged-kings-speech-uploader/)

Fast forward to toay: things are changing.

Probably with the aid of DVD Ranger (https://torrentfreak.com/dvd-ranger-cracks-unbeatable-cinavia-anti-piracy-system-140524/), a program that can remove the Cinavia protection.
But, know also, that this re-encodes audio, even lossy AC3. So you're looking at second generation encode (the first generation encode is the original AC3 track that's converted from the master audio), plus whatever audio has been destroyed due to the Cinavia removal.
I believe this destroys shared frequencies with the Cinavia watermark.



BECAUSE...

Going back to the first article, you see the article mention this about the scrubbed audio of the screeners and their quality:

But movie pirates are now embracing technology of their own and defeating the studios' watermarks. The quality of the scrubbed versions isn't perfect

So, it was more than likely something like DVD Ranger was used.

The group that successfully removed the watermark mentions this:

Movie had Watermarks visible and invisible ones, had to remove frames to get rid of them.
Nothing i havent done before, It was hours of work, but its finally done and here for you to get!



So while some torrents (or direct download sites, or whatever) may have the screener, be absolutely sure of where you are downloading from and whom you are downloading from.


"Several ‘versions’ of the movie exist on torrent sites, each labeled by rival release groups including CM8, EVO, TiTAN, Ozlem and RAV3N"

Who knows if they all use the watermark-stripped version or if they just use the watermark version.
Most groups/scenes don't really need to tell you anything.
Especially on public trackers (torrent sites). They're not obligated to give you details or information.
It's a free site, their time is more dedicated to their home sites where you can get all the details.



DVD Ranger, btw, is not cheap to own. And you can find it in places. But it requires a subscription to successfully remove the Cinavia.
You can find hotfixes for movies, individually from some pirate sites.
But, it's not been updated forever.
I've never used it personally.
But the program needs to access the DVD Ranger database (the subscription part of legitimately owning the program) in order to find a hotfix for newer movies.
It's certainly not cheap. Not at all.

Interesting. So if I had downloaded these end credits to my computer, would I be unintentionally 'alerting' the Guild? Or does it only do that when such a file is uploaded to a file hosting or torrent site?

It alerts them. Download, upload. I think just opening the file (playing in a media player, opening in an editing program, playing in a video player, etc) alerts them.
These watermarks have been around for some time now.
Popular in Two Steps From Hell trailer music. And some other trailer music powerhouses.

BUT
Only if JCH used the non-scrubbed version. The watermark version.

But, right now, not a big deal.
Only a fragment of the copyrighted material.

Worst case, maybe, is that they just ask for all LOTR things to not be posted publicly (added to the VS list).

JCH already had takedowns in the MEGA account, and s/he opted to not upload again in case the account is completely disabled.
Which is probably the worst case scenario for JCH. Maybe.



But, when the BD comes out, it's probably safer to use a very non-conventional name.
Not even "h0bb1t" or initials.

Use a random name generation with characters and numbers to make completely obscure and save the information in a txt file somewhere on the PC.
Something more like a random password generator.

https://www.random.org/strings/
Randomly generated strings.
Numeric digits (0-9)
Uppercase letters (A-Z)
Lowercase letters (a-z)


Here are your random strings:

5KEVyJLv3LHB5Ak6snWy
18Su20eflddb1L66G1XB
Yr4wynu8iSZYhZIEhoOe
clzeRmwM6APRm3Npkxnz
IjWalZm1ih9VbJE3RaN3
fK8WAVbub3Z0yNaR3qCX
azbXtSaNk5L71AUy9fiQ
18vaPUD90jJFH1rLssPA
YXtkj5YlUMFgonYT6jzg
tIJIEERgZNuCvCRo9B8M


Password protected archive, AND with recovery record to change the file size.

I should probably do that for my Godzilla end credits that got DMCA'ed and see if it lasts any longer.

It alerts them. Download, upload. I think just opening the file (playing in a media player, opening in an editing program, playing in a video player, etc) alerts them.


Care to explain how?

Care to explain how?

You can google watermarking audio.
There's plenty to read.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=watermarking+audio&t=ffcm&ia=about

Don't get defensive, I don't mean to flame you here, but you're not backing up your statement with any of those links. I'm simply asking how you think it's possible that simply playing a digitally watermarked file will "alert them". Are you implying that if a watermarked file is played through VLC for example, it will somehow manifest an executable that will first get through a firewall, and contact the copyright owner? Doesn't that sound a little outlandish? Now, I spent a good hour trying to search for related material, but came up empty handed. Even the wikipedia article you linked would oppose your statement. It says "digital watermarking is a passive protection tool." Feel free to link something that shows an active sort of protection tool, as I think you're fear mongering with your original statement.

Let me repeat I'm not trying to start an argument, rather I'm trying to educate here.

You're leaving me no choice but to get defensive.

It's a closed-source technology. They're not going to, nor have to, reveal the details about what they do.
It's an expensive encryption like Cinavia. And it does echo back to the owners who have the decyption key.

That's how people get caught who uploaded the DVD screeners back in 2011.
Not even the articles I linked point to any solid information.

It's a propetiary, patened technology.

It only sounds outlandish to dullards and the simple folk of public forums like Shriners.

It's not fear mongering, if you're smart and competent enough.

I know that several people who received watermarked music and shared it, were contacted by their source and notified that they know they're sharing the music.
And, it wasn't anything like "because you're a pirate, I know you're sharing it".

It's not a concept for public forums to comprehend, especially one so much as this forum.
This forum is notorious for its collected intellect.

It's traceable.
I'm not in the mood to carry this on anymore so start making friends with people in higher places. They'll hold your hand and walk you through it.

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why I hide behind VPNs and Proxies! It might not cover me 100% (or 90% or 50% or 20%), but it does give me some slight sense of security on the downloading side of things (it stopped Comcast's messages about three years ago).

Well spoken Sparktank.

dullards and the simple folk of public forums like Shriners.

So we're name calling now is that it? Instead of actually answering my question you resort to claims of ignorance not only from me, but the rest of this forum (of which you seem to be one of the most active users. hmmmmm).

I get it: you don't understand it. No need for name calling.