thejok3rrules
12-13-2013, 10:14 PM
Dear Santa Claus,

As you might know, Christmas is getting closer everyday, and we, on the Forum, would all love a little gift from your amazing North Pole Industries. From what I know, I can even tell you what we would choose: Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban's Recording Sessions!
What? You're telling me you can't deliver it to us all? Oh, I understand, don't worry! I've got an idea for you: Give it publicly on the Internet, as a torrent or a PM! I know, I have so many good ideas!
So please Santa (Or whoever in possession of it), please our hearts and give us WB's precious surprise: We really need the Recording Sessions for HP3.

With all my ''love''
thejok3rrules

bollemanneke
12-14-2013, 01:24 PM
Yes, I second this. GODDAMMIT I WANT TO LISTEN TO A WINTER'S SPELL!!

Dear Santa,

If there are any kind people out here who have Nichola's Hooper's recording sessions for Potter, please give someone a divine epiphany and let them PM me. I have lots of nice Christmas presents to offer in return.

hahah123
12-14-2013, 04:16 PM
Yes, I second this. GODDAMMIT I WANT TO LISTEN TO A WINTER'S SPELL!!

Dear Santa,

If there are any kind people out here who have Nichola's Hooper's recording sessions for Potter, please give someone a divine epiphany and let them PM me. I have lots of nice Christmas presents to offer in return.

Lool

Amanda
12-14-2013, 08:19 PM
This apparently cannot happen. It is not a matter of it being anonymous. It is a matter of getting out AT ALL. If it does, I understand the source will never release the remaining Potter sessions, nor any other sessions for that matter, and the few who do have it will be completely burned and jobs be put at risk. If this were indeed to happen, all of us at the Shrine would also be screwed as far as releasing the really big sessions go. it sucks but I guess from what i have been told (and what has been posted here MANY times now) that that is just the deal. Those who continue to ask otherwise or try to develop schemes to get it done just do not understand the way these things work in the real world. Or at least flat out refuse too. No matter how many times you ask, no matter how politely you ask, no matter how creative your "solutions are", or plain old bitching, insults or demanding, none of that will work nor change the situation. When the original sources feel comfortable with it it will be posted and not until then. Unless someone steps forward in defiance of all that and posts, but like I aid that will cripple the sessions leak aspect of this forum. So immediate gratification vs terrible harm to the forum and personal members in the long run. As much as I dearly want Potter 3, I feel it is just not worth it and so accept the situation. I recommend you all do too and respect those who are in a very tough spot.

bollemanneke
12-14-2013, 08:24 PM
Wise words. nd as I said earlier, there seems to be something very fishy going on with those Azkaban sessions. It's like they're just... gone, vanished into thin air.

Amanda
12-14-2013, 08:40 PM
I know I am on record of loathing this side of things, but in this case in particular, it is just the deal and there is no use in railing against it. :(

bollemanneke
12-14-2013, 08:53 PM
You know, I really do not understand why Williams can't just be kind and help us out a bit! He's not going to live that long anymore, so why keep this up? He could change people's year by leaking it, he must know it's highly wanted, right? And I don't see WB sueing John Williams either...

boosterrr
12-14-2013, 09:38 PM
You know, I really do not understand why Williams can't just be kind and help us out a bit! He's not going to live that long anymore, so why keep this up? He could change people's year by leaking it, he must know it's highly wanted, right? And I don't see WB sueing John Williams either...

I wish i was a son of John Williams

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Wise words. nd as I said earlier, there seems to be something very fishy going on with those Azkaban sessions. It's like they're just... gone, vanished into thin air.

the sessions are locked in Azkaban

mgm5215
12-14-2013, 10:08 PM
You know, I really do not understand why Williams can't just be kind and help us out a bit! He's not going to live that long anymore, so why keep this up? He could change people's year by leaking it, he must know it's highly wanted, right? And I don't see WB sueing John Williams either...

If Williams ever cared for Harry Potter (he dropped Goblet of Fire and Deathly Hallows for Spielberg and by scoring a film based in a book he loved, even though he read the first HP book to his niece) he would release them. And even if Williams gets to release it, maybe it will be an arranged version of the sessions like Hook.

Also, for what I know, all the HP sessions have being in the WB vaults (that's where HP1/4 have being leaked from). I heard about a contact from WB who has HP5/6, but like Amanda said, it will take a long time until these gets leaked, or used in trading circles.

If WB had brains, they would release the sessions in sale, instead of cashing the cow with the "Ultimate" editions of the films which are far from Ultimate (Desplat missing in the Music documentary, lots of deleted scenes missing).

bollemanneke
12-14-2013, 10:12 PM
I've said this in the past but will say it again so that people can ignore it: We need to come together, as a group, and DEMAND complete score release for Harry Potter. I'm sure that if the Williams fans (and there seem to be enough of those around...) would stick together and strt badgering WB or Williams's agents with questions, something could actually be done. Think of WB's position: they have done the eight films and never say no to more money, but we need to spread the message to them as fans, not just as individuals!

mgm5215
12-14-2013, 10:26 PM
Unfortunely, the petition thing didn't do anything.

DjawadiFan
12-15-2013, 12:51 AM
I think WB may release the complete scores after 20 years in a big 30th or 50th anniversary, that's so bad :(

tehƧP@ƦKly�ANK� -Ⅲ�
12-15-2013, 06:35 PM
If WB had brains, they would release the sessions in sale, instead of cashing the cow with the "Ultimate" editions of the films which are far from Ultimate (Desplat missing in the Music documentary, lots of deleted scenes missing).

if they had brains, they would do this after they're done with all the films. there's still another movie coming out. not related so much to Potter hilmself but still the same world.

i would definitely milk all the films first.
then milk them for extended editions.

then milk the soundtracks for "special editions".
then finally milk for a "complete" soundtrack is really just 90% of the score with 10% being held back and most of the tracks fade into each other like Star Wars: the Phantom Menace.

:smrt:

bollemanneke
12-15-2013, 06:43 PM
Wait, if you apply that theory to everything, we could never be sure that a complete score release would even happen. Who knows how many spin-offs Rowling will write? Also, that would imply that we wouldn't have the LOTR recordings after the three Hobbits were all released. That's just stupid. People would buy more HP music and they bloody well know it...

tehƧP@ƦKly�ANK� -Ⅲ�
12-15-2013, 06:48 PM
You're just stupid.

bollemanneke
12-15-2013, 06:51 PM
Much appreciated.

tehƧP@ƦKly�ANK� -Ⅲ�
12-15-2013, 07:05 PM
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I'm pretty sure when the spin-offs had their run and they can't make fans dance any longer someone will leak the goods.
It's not like she said she would be retiring or putting a final end to that world anything.

With The Hobbit and the LOTR franchise, it's written in stone.
With Nolan's Batman trilogy, he wrote it in stone.

It might be years after Potter finished his legacy, but there's till milk in the teet.
It may be old and stale, but there will be plenty who would still drink from it.

bollemanneke
12-15-2013, 07:15 PM
Yeah, you're right. I, for one, am happy with the eight movies and don't see the point of a movie of which there is no book and in which Potter himself won't even appear...

TheSkeletonMan939
12-15-2013, 07:54 PM
I personally don't see Warner Bros. releasing this on their own. They've had plenty of time, and they've announced that they're not going to be printing any new Potter films onto disk for a long, long time. If they're not selling the films right now, why would they bother making new complete soundtracks?

I can't see the sessions being officially released unless a company like La La Land does it. All we can do is be patient.

Faleel
12-15-2013, 08:28 PM
Well... LLL said Potter is "so close that they can taste it"

bollemanneke
12-15-2013, 08:33 PM
THEY DID? So if they ever release them, does this mean they can get the sessions and basically do what they want, or will Williams meddle in the process and say tehy can release 5 extra tracks from his scores? If this is the case, I'm not even gonna be exited, unless of course it means Azkaban sessions finally surface.

Faleel
12-15-2013, 08:40 PM
LLL said, that if they ever did it, if done properly (AKA without Williams making choices) they would have SS be 3-disc.

So HP3..

bollemanneke
12-15-2013, 08:52 PM
Let's hope that the composers don't have a say in the future, then.

TheSkeletonMan939
12-15-2013, 11:19 PM
Well... LLL said Potter is "so close that they can taste it"

How long ago was that?

Faleel
12-15-2013, 11:37 PM
Like, right after Varese announced the latest Club batch (Nemesis etc.)

boosterrr
12-16-2013, 12:53 AM
Like, right after Varese announced the latest Club batch (Nemesis etc.)

where did you get this info? do you have a source?

Faleel
12-16-2013, 12:55 AM
FSM.

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And JWfan:

Expanded Harry Potter albums in the works? - John Williams - JOHN WILLIAMS Fan Network (http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=23925)

boosterrr
12-16-2013, 08:57 AM
FSM.

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And JWfan:

Expanded Harry Potter albums in the works? - John Williams - JOHN WILLIAMS Fan Network (http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=23925)

Yes! it,s about time!! thanks Faleel this is fantastic news!

Amanda
12-16-2013, 09:31 AM
OK. This is nothing. "It's so close I can taste it" means nothing at all. And I doubt the would release it as complete as sessions, any of them. There would be a ton of the unreleased left off and as per usual no sign of film versions. You all would orgasm and cry at the same time, listen to it once, and then set about picking it apart, shredding it, bashing the releasing label, restructuring and remastering it and putting up 19,00 fan versions all labeled as the really truly ultimate special editions the way we meant and were not given editions. And still we would be longing for the sessions. :awsm:

Seriously though, this "news" means nothing until an actual set is ready, with art and a release date/track lists. Until he comes right out and says "we are releasing potter" it isn't happening.

Plutopurto
12-16-2013, 10:18 AM
I have a great set of the complete score - guess what...it's from SonicAdventure here!

I seriously doubt they'll release anything officially for a LONG time.


I get the depressing feeling we'll see more music when Williams dies - there'll be special remembrance editions of soundtracks and so on, it's a sad thought, but that's the catalyst I believe could get more music out.

tehƧP@ƦKly�ANK� -Ⅲ�
12-16-2013, 10:29 AM
Personally, I like Desplat's Potter music more.

I'm tired of Williams.

Lockdown
12-16-2013, 10:32 AM
I love all 8.

bollemanneke
12-16-2013, 11:19 AM
Here here! Let's hope that if he dies, the 'beloved maestro' crap will disappear because Howard Shore is a maestro.

pottyaboutpotter1
12-16-2013, 12:21 PM
It bugs me a little that we're more likely to get complete score releases for The Hobbit trilogy before Potter even gets a chance. I love The Hobbit Scores, but Potter deserves more than it's standard OST's.

Plutopurto
12-16-2013, 01:50 PM
Howard Shore's Rings' trilogy of scores I consider to be the greatest film scores of all time. There's a big 'but' coming along...like now....aaannnd...

But, Williams has produced a handful of more memorable themes and scores. Shore and Williams are the greatest and hopefully Shore can share the spotlight. Williams has been in the limelight for much longer and therefore is revered (admirably and rightfully so) for it.

At the end of the day - I just want COMPLETE BLOODY SCORES FFS

I can see it though, sometime in the future - film scores are slowly gaining popularity among the casual music listeners where hopefully composers will feel better about releasing the things they think won't sell![COLOR="Silver"]

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tehƧP@ƦKly�ANK� -Ⅲ�
12-16-2013, 03:43 PM
hopefully Shore can share the spotlight.

you make it sound like they plot against each other. :169:

One score to rule them all~

DjawadiFan
12-16-2013, 04:00 PM
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/88742583@N05/11401607625/)

Find him in Minas Tirith. ''City of the Mastero''

Faleel
12-16-2013, 04:38 PM
OK. This is nothing. "It's so close I can taste it" means nothing at all.

Except that LLL are the kings of hinting (like Hook they hinted at that release a year before it was released)

mgm5215
12-16-2013, 06:42 PM
Personally, I like Desplat's Potter music more.

I'm tired of Williams.

True. No offense, I loved Williams's Potter scores as much as anybody else, but there's more passion, complex writing, and faithfulness to the story of the books and films (Especially because Desplat was introduced to the story through his daughter and praised J.K. Rowling, the films and the scores) in Desplat's scores. Other than POA, the first two scores didn't had something distinctive from other Williams scores besides Hedwig's theme. It's too bad that he didn't do OOTP and HBP, since the last four films (and three books) are almost like a trilogy, and some of the themes he wrote could had a better use and development in those films.

Faleel
12-16-2013, 06:44 PM
Especially because Desplat was introduced to the story through his family.

So was Williams... Your point?

bollemanneke
12-16-2013, 07:12 PM
I fully agree with pottyaboutpotter. Why LOTR and Hobbit get such extensive releases and not HP is such a mystery to me. And how can composers think that complete releases wouldn't sell? One look at this forum would shake them awake all right.

Faleel
12-16-2013, 07:21 PM
I fully agree with pottyaboutpotter. Why LOTR and Hobbit get such extensive releases.

Even those are not complete.

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And Shore actually wanted them released in full

DjawadiFan
12-16-2013, 07:35 PM
True. No offense, I loved Williams's Potter scores as much as anybody else, but there's more passion, complex writing, and faithfulness to the story of the books and films (Especially because Desplat was introduced to the story through his daughter and praised J.K. Rowling, the films and the scores) in Desplat's scores. Other than POA, the first two scores didn't had something distinctive from other Williams scores besides Hedwig's theme. It's too bad that he didn't do OOTP and HBP, since the last four films (and three books) are almost like a trilogy, and some of the themes he wrote could had a better use and development in those films.

Agreed. And don't forget that Hooper's work were brilliant, came to restore the balance and make HP even more advanced and gorgeous, and that's really what inspired Desplat in the last two movies.

bollemanneke
12-16-2013, 07:48 PM
So Shore does have common sense? Good to know some people still want to see their music eased publicly. And anyway, what the hell are they on about nayway, they don't need to print those damn scores physically. Have us pay a fee online and provide us with a digital download and be done.

mgm5215
12-16-2013, 08:19 PM
Agreed. And don't forget that Hooper's work were brilliant, came to restore the balance and make HP even more advanced and gorgeous, and that's really what inspired Desplat in the last two movies.

True. Hooper brought back the magical sounds and styles from Williams's scores with a fresh approach after Doyle's Zimmer-esque and over-the-top score.

bollemanneke
12-16-2013, 08:24 PM
You'd be surprised to know how many people hated Hooper's music. I distiinctly remember Filmtracks hating his music because Hooper 'had the nerve' to use Williams' Quidditch theme from Azkaban in HP6 instead of that of Stone and Chamber. In other words, Williams can discard as many memorable themes as he pleases, because Williams is williams and Gods can simply do whatever they want, but Hooper should be nailed to a cross for not using HP1's flying theme... Slightly disturbing.

DjawadiFan
12-16-2013, 08:52 PM
I see, Hooper is not so well-famous or something for Harry Potter's kids!! ''oh Harry Potter is not just Home Alone & Hook'' lol.
HBP is one of my favorites, you people need to just imagine such a wonderful music like ''When Ginny Kissed Harry'', ''Malfoy's Mission'', ''Dumbledore's Farewell'' and the film version of ''Snape's fligh, after killing Dumbledore'' and ''Possession'', ''Dumbledore's Army''...etc really very DARK.

Amanda
12-16-2013, 08:56 PM
Very dark is of no interest to me. I have read all the books, so I understand each story gets progressively more dark. But I did not care even for Azkaban at all as a movie. I hated everything done after. I **really** dislike the scores for said films too, but mostly because I disliked the films. I just do not feel the adaptations were very well balanced or represented the books well. But ah well. The same could be said of many an adaptation. (Imma looking at you Dune. BOTH of ya...)

Lockdown
12-16-2013, 08:57 PM
When I was younger the only song I ever owned on iTunes from the Harry Potter series was Fireworks. So, he's pretty famous ;)

Amanda
12-16-2013, 09:00 PM
There are plenty of Williams scores where I could take them or leave them. (Jurassic Park for me is merely OK...). I do not consider him a GOD by any means. But consider. Look at where he was able to take Empire Strikes Back and Revenge of the Sith musically when given the room. Think of how the darker stories could have evolved with music in a similar style.Williams' themes could have grown and evolved wonderfully. The first film was fairly saccharine, yes. It was meant to be. So was the music. But later in the series, where bigger action sets and darker forces come in...it could have been spectacular.

mgm5215
12-17-2013, 04:18 AM
You'd be surprised to know how many people hated Hooper's music. I distiinctly remember Filmtracks hating his music because Hooper 'had the nerve' to use Williams' Quidditch theme from Azkaban in HP6 instead of that of Stone and Chamber. In other words, Williams can discard as many memorable themes as he pleases, because Williams is williams and Gods can simply do whatever they want, but Hooper should be nailed to a cross for not using HP1's flying theme... Slightly disturbing.

And even with that, Hooper is the only composer who used something else beside Hedwig's theme in the scores (Desplat forced to re-record Williams cues as fanservice doesn't count). He gave Hedwig's theme some original use in his scores (like the dark rendition with low choir in Hall Of Prophecies) And he did two of the most recognizable themes of the post-Williams scores (Umbridge and Dumbledore's themes). Most of the themes that Williams wrote never belonged to the latter films (another consequence of doing the films before finishing the books). I mean, Howard Shore hinted Thorin's theme in FOTR 11 years before doing The Hobbit!

Hooper's only problem is that he wasn't able to develop themes, he uses them a couple of times and that's it. But again, OOTP and HBP we're films that we're practically butchered by Warner Bros (they cut 45 minutes of OOTP, didn't allowed to film Dumbledore's funeral). And given the fact that Hooper mentioned that he writes even seven hours of music for each film, and how wonderful his scores for The Heart Of Me and African Cats , you can tell he was very limited. Hell, they even tracked music of OOTP to replace original cues (and a cue for a deleted scene in OOTP was used in HBP).

Desplat had a better liberty because he was scoring the first of two films based in the last book. But by changing the split point of both films, his score for Part 1. was terribly butchered. Part 2 suffered from temp track syndrome (the film had Inception and TDK as temp tracks), a mix where the orchestra sounded lifeless, a practically buried choir. And the decision of re-recording cues from Williams only to content Williams's fanboys instead of letting Desplat to finish what Williams started.

Plutopurto
12-17-2013, 05:00 AM
I would have liked to hear what Williams would have done with all eight films. I think it would have been a different experience from Star Wars where Williams style changed for the prequels, but if he had done all eight potter films - each one would have been different (PoA) and had a thread running through the entire scores linking all the themes together!

Saying all that about Williams I think when Alfonso came around and shook up the joint, it really let Williams change the direction a bit - it wasn't Hedwig's Theme ad-nausea, it was a set of new themes and ideas.

That's not to say I'm crapping on Desplat and Hooper who both had phenomenal and fitting music. They both had a fair shot yet due to mgm5215's insights as to temping and splitting issues - we would have had a more coherent score like Doyle's Goblet of Fire. The only score apart from Azkaban I felt had an overall summation of all that Potter was.

amh1219
12-17-2013, 05:46 AM
OK. This is nothing. "It's so close I can taste it" means nothing at all. And I doubt the would release it as complete as sessions, any of them. There would be a ton of the unreleased left off and as per usual no sign of film versions. You all would orgasm and cry at the same time, listen to it once, and then set about picking it apart, shredding it, bashing the releasing label, restructuring and remastering it and putting up 19,00 fan versions all labeled as the really truly ultimate special editions the way we meant and were not given editions. And still we would be longing for the sessions. :awsm:

Seriously though, this "news" means nothing until an actual set is ready, with art and a release date/track lists. Until he comes right out and says "we are releasing potter" it isn't happening.

I disagree. MV has dropped hints about dozens of releases and I can only think of one time it hasn't led to something (i.e. Tales of the Crypt). I'm willing to bet Potter would be pretty damned complete too, until LLL asks Williams to approve the master anyway. Such a release will at the very least be as complete as the label can get away with.

In this case, MV has intentionally led us, the score fan community, to believe that the LLL-WB relationship has progressed to the point where his company will probably be allowed to release expanded Potter albums in the near future. Shortly after suggesting this, he even indicated his support of a 3 disc release of the score.



Sorcerer's Stone would need three discs to be done right.

Agreed...not that I have given it any thought. smile

MV

Source (http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=100524&forumID=1&archive=0)

bollemanneke
12-17-2013, 09:06 AM
@MGM: You were missing my point, I was actually defending Hooper. :D BTW, how sick is it that you have to re-record Williams stuff to satisfy a bunch of fans? As I recall, Doyle did not get that treatment... And yeah, I agree, I would have loved to see the extended HP films. Does anyone here know why they had to cut Dumbledore's funeral from the 6th film anyway? They sy it's because it wouldn't fit with the 7th film's opening, but I don't see the problem there...

Why on earth do we need Williams's approval for releases?! What's gonna happen when this man doesn't give his blessing to LLL? Seriously, Vivaldi and Mozart can't approve releases either and those still happen... I must admit though that I am afraid that IF LLL will release something, not enough people would buy the first two releases. Are there people out here who would buy HP1 and 2 phyisically now that we have the sessions?

Amanda
12-17-2013, 09:32 AM
Are there people out here who would buy HP1 and 2 phyisically now that we have the sessions?

You know the answer to that. It totally depends on the content of the set. Most, if they can afford it, will always prefer to have an actual pressed cd with packaging. But the price and content will have to be right. We had a lot of unreleased material for hook, how did that sell? How is Superman returns selling? How have the new expanded Star trek releases selling? Those are your markers right there.

bollemanneke
12-17-2013, 09:48 AM
I have no clue how they are selling, sorry... but I do get your point. If they would really give us everything we need, all the unused material included, then I'd definitely buy it!

Plutopurto
12-17-2013, 10:19 AM
Williams wrote and produced the music and original albums ergo he has the say in what goes in or stays out.

Just look at the 20th anniversary ost of Jurassic Park -Williams: oh look, let's go into the master tapes and release four tracks. We could give you the whole thing but I don't like this particular cue...so four will do fine....

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I would buy the physical CD even though I don't listen to music through CD's anymore. I only realized (for me) how redundant CD's were becoming when I bought the CR's of the Lord of the Rings. Though, that packaging is pretty snazzy :)

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BTW, how sick is it that you have to re-record Williams stuff to satisfy a bunch of fans? As I recall, Doyle did not get that treatment...

The rerecording of Williams material was bring full-circle the epilogue of DH part 2 with the ending of HP1. I don't believe he did it for fan service, he said he wanted to put more of Williams material in. It was also out of respect for Williams who had started the series.

Hooper also rerecorded a partial section of Hedwig's Theme for HBP...

Amanda
12-17-2013, 10:22 AM
Yes, but 4 bigg-ish cues including the most sought after one, the rex chase. With those cues and some re-editing, JP is mostly complete now. But that right there is the problem. They could have re-edited the set, split the suites and added the new tracks with the same mastering in chronological order. Members here did that themselves from home, why couldn't they? It is not a matter of unreleased. The added the majority of the missing tracks. They just tacked 'em to the end of the original OST presentation, without even the same mastering done to them. So, NO effort at all in the release. So my point about this really is that no matter what LLL releases, it will never be THE SESSIONS, and so Azkaban's sessions would remain as closely guarded as ever.... :D

bollemanneke
12-17-2013, 10:23 AM
Does he realise that we have eveyrthing already with SFX? What's the difference between a clean cue and an unclean one? To quote Sheldon from the Big bang theory: this theory baffles and repulses me.

Plutopurto
12-17-2013, 10:28 AM
Does he realise that we have eveyrthing already with SFX? What's the difference between a clean cue and an unclean one? To quote Sheldon from the Big bang theory: this theory baffles and repulses me.

Yes, it's called the actual film haha!

bollemanneke
12-17-2013, 10:34 AM
OK, I'm not plotting murder here or anything lol but if Williams is no longer there to dictate the companies what to release, would the chances for a truly complete release be bigger? Would they then listen to us or would Williams's family then step in and meddle in the process? Also, wouldn't it be possible that if LLL did Azkaban, those sessions would be able to slip into some 'wrong' hands?

Plutopurto
12-17-2013, 10:38 AM
@bollemanneke - you seem to think that Williams gets some sort of the thrill or joy out of keeping dibs on his music. He really only thinks it should all be concert suites and pieces you could listen to without interruption.

bollemanneke
12-17-2013, 10:52 AM
He might think that, but it's clear to me that I am not the only one wanting a complete representation, not just the things he wanted, so why not do us that favour?

Plutopurto
12-17-2013, 11:00 AM
Fair point.

Does anyone know what the most completeristist score Williams has released is? Superman, Hook or what?

Amanda
12-17-2013, 11:51 AM
Depends on your definition. Unfortunately OUR definition does not count. If you figure all alternates, concert versions, original versions and film edits? None of them. But figuring the way they do. jaws is complete. The first Star Wars trilogy is complete. We have complete or substantial expansions for Indy, 1941, Hook, Close Encounters, ET, Home Alone 1& 2. More even. More than most composers.

DjawadiFan
12-17-2013, 12:08 PM
In this case, MV has intentionally led us, the score fan community, to believe that the LLL-WB relationship has progressed to the point where his company will probably be allowed to release expanded Potter albums in the near future. Shortly after suggesting this, he even indicated his support of a 3 disc release of the score.



Source (http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=100524&forumID=1&archive=0)


there are some obvious hints here and there and random guess that it could be any of these titles

1) HARRY POTTER AND THE PHILOSOPHER'S STONE (3CD set)

Really, if they we're going to release SS in 3CD, ''guess??'' 2CD of complete score and 1CD for the unused and suites, very well and if they did i will definitely buy all of them. I wish they do the same with HBP & OOTP too, at least 3 CD for each movie?? I hope so...

amh1219
12-17-2013, 06:53 PM
You know the answer to that. It totally depends on the content of the set. Most, if they can afford it, will always prefer to have an actual pressed cd with packaging. But the price and content will have to be right. We had a lot of unreleased material for hook, how did that sell? How is Superman returns selling? How have the new expanded Star trek releases selling? Those are your markers right there.

Superman Returns sold nearly 2,000 out of 3,000 units within two weeks. If anyone out there wants to get this release, now is the time!

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Really, if they we're going to release SS in 3CD, ''guess??'' 2CD of complete score and 1CD for the unused and suites, very well and if they did i will definitely buy all of them. I wish they do the same with HBP & OOTP too, at least 3 CD for each movie?? I hope so...

I don't think there's enough material from each movie to make eight 3 disc sets, but given how Williams seemingly didn't mess with LLL's releases of Home Alone 1-2, I think there's still hope.

DjawadiFan
12-17-2013, 07:21 PM
I don't think there's enough material from each movie to make eight 3 disc sets, but given how Williams seemingly didn't mess with LLL's releases of Home Alone 1-2, I think there's still hope.

Check what MGM has mentioned above, that what i am talking about!! HP 5&6 deserves more and more.


OOTP and HBP we're films that we're practically butchered by Warner Bros (they cut 45 minutes of OOTP, didn't allowed to film Dumbledore's funeral). And given the fact that Hooper mentioned that he writes even seven hours of music for each film, and how wonderful his scores for The Heart Of Me and African Cats , you can tell he was very limited. Hell, they even tracked music of OOTP to replace original cues (and a cue for a deleted scene in OOTP was used in HBP).

amh1219
12-18-2013, 06:49 AM
Well Hans Zimmer said he wrote 10 hours for Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End, yet even when you combine all the unique material from the sessions and the album suites, it really only comes to three and a half hours (once silences are removed). I think the only way there can possibly be seven hours of music for a movie like HP 5 or 6 is if you count every alternate and every insert of every cue. It'd be something like the sessions for Goblet of Fire in that you'd have a cue where they tried to use a duduk, and then a version where they tried brass instead, one where they tried a percussion overlay, one where they didn't use strings and so on and so on. If you're expecting seven hours of fully developed pieces, I suspect you'd be disappointed.

Plutopurto
12-18-2013, 10:35 AM
Including the sketches, the demos and every bloody take. I think on that point Schindler's List has the most takes I've ever seen!

bollemanneke
12-18-2013, 11:09 AM
Hmm, every take of every cue would he amazing, but I guess it's so unlistenable that it will never be released on album. However, I have it on very good authority that if the composers don't meddle in the releases, and they better hadn't, that LLL is going to try and give us the most complete representation they can. So, Mr Williams, Doyle, Hooper and Desplat, just let the company do it their way, be good boys and don't do anything at all.

tehƧP@ƦKly�ANK� -Ⅲ�
12-18-2013, 09:06 PM
Well Hans Zimmer said he wrote 10 hours for Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End

Didn't he have 9 hours of the Joker's theme for The Dark Knight?

I've yet to see those.

Plutopurto
12-19-2013, 12:59 AM
Didn't he have 9 hours of the Joker's theme for The Dark Knight?

I've yet to see those.


What-the-actual-Bananas?

amh1219
12-19-2013, 03:23 AM
Didn't he have 9 hours of the Joker's theme for The Dark Knight?

I've yet to see those.

Wouldn't surprise me.

tehƧP@ƦKly�ANK� -Ⅲ�
12-19-2013, 06:12 AM
Does anyone watch the special features to the BD's?

Plutopurto
12-19-2013, 06:47 AM
Even if I did watch the particular bonus features of TDK, I still couldn't believe he wrote nine hours of music for the Joker. The Joker doesn't have a theme IIRC. Unless he created a theme which was ultimately dropped?

mgm5215
12-19-2013, 09:38 PM
@MGM: You were missing my point, I was actually defending Hooper. :D BTW, how sick is it that you have to re-record Williams stuff to satisfy a bunch of fans? As I recall, Doyle did not get that treatment... And yeah, I agree, I would have loved to see the extended HP films. Does anyone here know why they had to cut Dumbledore's funeral from the 6th film anyway? They sy it's because it wouldn't fit with the 7th film's opening, but I don't see the problem there...

Why on earth do we need Williams's approval for releases?! What's gonna happen when this uman doesn't give his blessing to LLL? Seriously, Vivaldi and Mozart can't approve releases either and those still happen... I must admit though that I am afraid that IF LLL will release something, not enough people would buy the first two releases. Are there people out here who would buy HP1 and 2 phyisically now that we have the sessions?


I know you we're defending him. Other than Dumbledore's Farewell and Leaving Hogwarts, Boys Into Detention being re-recorded for the scene when Harry, Ron and Hermione arrives to the Room of Requirement was unnecessary, it was pure fanservice.

Desplat could've done a version of Leaving Hogwarts or any of the original Williams themes to bring full circle to the franchise on his own instead of recurring to glorified tracking. He could've done what Carter Burwell did with the last Twilight film where he honored Desplat and Shore's original themes and blending them with his own melodies. But it's a good thing that Desplat himself said that he was happy to have Leaving Hogwarts for the Epilogue.

Dumbledore's funeral wasn't filmed because Warner Bros didn't wanted to waste money on it (ironically, Half-Blood Prince was the most expensive Harry Potter film made). Hell, Evanna Lynch begged David Heyman to keep the funeral and offering him her paycheck, but Heyman said that it wasn't enough to film the funeral. They even had concept art of the scene.

bollemanneke
12-19-2013, 09:43 PM
You just gave me another reason to despise Warner Bros. It was too expensive... How many fucking millions has HP brought to them?! Imagine Hooper scoring the funeral...

tehƧP@ƦKly�ANK� -Ⅲ�
12-19-2013, 10:00 PM
Even if I did watch the particular bonus features of TDK, I still couldn't believe he wrote nine hours of music for the Joker. The Joker doesn't have a theme IIRC. Unless he created a theme which was ultimately dropped?

9 hours of samples, loops and demos for the Joker. Go watch it, you're annoying.

Plutopurto
12-20-2013, 12:29 AM
I usually do watch the Special Features, just haven't got around to watching any for TDK trilogy. Hmm, it still seems unlikely anyone could have accumulated that many hours for a siren blaring...

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I know you we're defending him. Other than Dumbledore's Farewell and Leaving Hogwarts, Boys Into Detention being re-recorded for the scene when Harry, Ron and Hermione arrives to the Room of Requirement was unnecessary, it was pure fanservice.

Desplat could've done a version of Leaving Hogwarts or any of the original Williams themes to bring full circle to the franchise on his own instead of recurring to glorified tracking. He could've done what Carter Burwell did with the last Twilight film where he honored Desplat and Shore's original themes and blending them with his own melodies. But it's a good thing that Desplat himself said that he was happy to have Leaving Hogwarts for the Epilogue.

Dumbledore's funeral wasn't filmed because Warner Bros didn't wanted to waste money on it (ironically, Half-Blood Prince was the most expensive Harry Potter film made). Hell, Evanna Lynch begged David Heyman to keep the funeral and offering him her paycheck, but Heyman said that it wasn't enough to film the funeral. They even had concept art of the scene.

I would have liked to see the funeral, if anything because it was a part of the book and burning the Burrow wasn't...

ygmmasta
12-20-2013, 01:37 AM
Imagine Hooper scoring the funeral...

Now I can't get this out of my head!


mgm5215
12-20-2013, 08:24 PM
You just gave me another reason to despise Warner Bros. It was too expensive... How many fucking millions has HP brought to them?! Imagine Hooper scoring the funeral...

And let's not forget that John Hurt complained about how WB was wasting money in stuff like three copies of a suit they weren't going to use. And the fact that even if if wasn't a CGI-heavy film, Half-Blood Prince was the most expensive film of the franchise (250 million dolars).

Comparing with other franchises, Catching Fire originally costed 78 millions, and they only raised the budget to 130 millions to make sure to improve the film (which they did).

banaili
08-12-2014, 09:23 PM
I'm a bit late to the party, but I just wanted to add...this is a MUST!

bollemanneke
08-12-2014, 09:33 PM
It is. Someone needs to break into their archives and get those digital master tapes, NOW.

Soundtrackcollector
08-12-2014, 10:47 PM
It,s ridicilous that nobody will leaked this,that guy electra have it,but he is not active anymore on the shrine.

bollemanneke
08-12-2014, 10:52 PM
Electra does NOT have it. No one has it, at least no one who wants to talk about it.

Soundtrackcollector
08-12-2014, 11:00 PM
Electra does NOT have it. No one has it, at least no one who wants to talk about it.

scoreman and scorepranos have it

TheSkeletonMan939
08-12-2014, 11:08 PM
scoreman and scorepranos have it

Are you just saying that, or is that your best guess?

bollemanneke
08-12-2014, 11:11 PM
Yeah yeah, scoreman has Titanic and all the Hobbit sessions too, I imagine. Trust me, he hasn't got it. Ask A Winter's Spell and see what happens. As for scorepranos, what are you basing that statement on?

Soundtrackcollector
08-12-2014, 11:13 PM
Are you just saying that, or is that your best guess?

it,s the truth at least scoreman have al potter sessions,from scorepranos im not 100 procent sure
look at post 99 http://forums.ffshrine.org/f92/harry-potter-prisoner-azkaban-recording-sessions-john-141920/4.html offcoure the guy denied it

bollemanneke
08-12-2014, 11:24 PM
Again: To all those who are getting, or being made, excited by stories... Scoreman, does, not, have Azkaban. He does NOT have it. He hasn't got it. He does not possess it. He does not own it. He cannot listen to it. Because he has no access to the files. None at all.

Scorepranos... probably doesn't have it, but I'm not sure there. At least he does have connections.

Cameron007
06-10-2016, 09:30 PM
True. Hooper brought back the magical sounds and styles from Williams's scores with a fresh approach after Doyle's Zimmer-esque and over-the-top score.

Over the top? Probably. Zimmeresque? Not in the slightest. Besides, I think Doyle did a good job.

algonrei
06-13-2016, 11:38 PM
Again: To all those who are getting, or being made, excited by stories... Scoreman, does, not, have Azkaban. He does NOT have it. He hasn't got it. He does not possess it. He does not own it. He cannot listen to it. Because he has no access to the files. None at all.

Scorepranos... probably doesn't have it, but I'm not sure there. At least he does have connections.

Lol

PGtips2012
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