Lockdown
02-03-2013, 05:26 PM
I downloaded a Torrent that included an album, but it's a bin file. When I open it with vlc it doesn't playback anything. But when I click open file and click on the bin file it plays back. Is there any way I could possibly convert this bin file to a flac so I lose no sound quality, and then use Cue Splitter to split it into the tracks that it should have been in? It came with a cue file too, if you were possibly wondering that. Thanks if you can help me!

Leon Scott Kennedy
02-03-2013, 05:40 PM
Hmmm... Try mounting the image on a virtual drive, through something like DAEMON-Tools (if we'd have to go by what you said, the system should recognize it as an Audio CD), then proceed to rip as if you actually had the CD inserted.

Lockdown
02-03-2013, 05:51 PM
I have the programs MagicISO and PowerISO

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They are all .cda files now with 1kb size. Now what? They are on Drive F:

Despair
02-03-2013, 06:07 PM
Try loading the cue in Foobar?

Lockdown
02-03-2013, 06:11 PM
Can I send a file download and see if you guys could fix it for me please? I have no idea how to fix this..

JHFan
02-03-2013, 06:52 PM
I have the programs MagicISO and PowerISO

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They are all .cda files now with 1kb size. Now what? They are on Drive F:

If this is what you're seeing, that's exactly what you would see if you put a CD into your computer and opened it to see the files on it. This is normal.

Therefore you should be able to open whatever player / ripper you use, tell it to see the virtual drive and rip the disc that way.

Lockdown
02-03-2013, 06:53 PM
All it does is play static noises, no music whatsoever. :(

JHFan
02-03-2013, 06:55 PM
All it does is play static noises, no music whatsoever. :(

What is the album? If you're hearing static it might be a DTS CD.

Don't try to play it, just try to rip it as both me and Leon said first.

Lockdown
02-03-2013, 06:56 PM
Okay now when I opened VLC, clicked media, and opened disc, and clicked on Drive F: it plays fine. But if I try to convert the file with dbpoweramp it says that the files are corrupt?:/

JHFan
02-03-2013, 06:59 PM
Maybe you should just burn the file as an audio CD and rip that?

Lockdown
02-03-2013, 07:02 PM
Well I'm gonna upload the BIN & CUE file to a file-sharing website, then if you want to help me I will give you the download link for it. :) thanks if you're willing to help though.

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Because whatever I attempt to do doesn't work lol.

JHFan
02-03-2013, 07:04 PM
It's a funny coincidence because last night I downloaded a torrent of an ISO, though it was for an SACD not a regular audio CD. I tried mounting it and it was 'corrupted' as well but I had to use that Foobar program to get the files into something I could work with. I'd never used Foobar before that.

Lockdown
02-03-2013, 07:07 PM
So you would be willing to help me? I'm uploading it to MEGA.co.nz or whatever it's called.

JHFan
02-03-2013, 07:10 PM
No problem.

I still haven't gotten either of the registration info emails I was supposed to get from that site. Is it still glitchy and slow?

Lockdown
02-03-2013, 07:13 PM
Oh, I got mine right away and the downloads are fast, I think. it's pretty nice actually

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Well I guess it is glitchy, because the download just reset itself.

JHFan
02-03-2013, 07:38 PM
Yeah that seems to be one of the two common problems - it resets or its very slow.

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Try this one out: I've been using it because it's got a 2GB size limit. The catch is it's good only for two weeks. I've used it for everything lately:

https://www.wetransfer.com/

No registration or anything.

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5.1 Music Disc - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.1_Music_Disc)

Optical Disc | DTS (http://www.dts.com/professionals/sound-industries/optical-disc-audio.aspx?tracking=Optical+Disc#) (click on the CD tab)

When I uploaded Titanic, this is what it was.

theone2000
02-05-2013, 01:56 AM
It's a funny coincidence because last night I downloaded a torrent of an ISO, though it was for an SACD not a regular audio CD. I tried mounting it and it was 'corrupted' as well but I had to use that Foobar program to get the files into something I could work with. I'd never used Foobar before that.

SACD is actually a DVD.

JHFan
02-05-2013, 03:52 AM
SACD is actually a DVD.

I know that, though the file structure and whatnot are generally unreadable by most computers, though there have been some advancements made if I recall.

I only meant that I had downloaded an ISO that gave me issues just as Lockdown did, but in my case it was an SACD ISO, not a regular audio CD ISO which is what he was downloading.

By the way, how this all got resolved was this:

When Lockdown mentioned getting static I knew he was dealing with a DTS CD, and when he sent me a link to the torrent I confirmed that was the issue.

theone2000
02-05-2013, 12:15 PM
I'm somewhat confused in what is being attempted here. Lockdown has some DTS 5.1 audio which he wants to convert to flac. As far as I know flac only handles 2 channels not 6. Downmixing is clearly not lossless. One may as well just keep the original 5.1 file.

kooke
02-05-2013, 04:24 PM
I was curious and checked Wikipedia. According to Comparison of audio formats - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_audio_formats) , FLAC can have up to 8 channels, the same as ALAC. theone2000, you may have mistaken it for Monkey Audio (.ape); that's the one that can't do multichannel further than stereo. The data is in the table "Technical Details of Lossless Audio Compression Formats".

But I'm not sure still how it got resolved: what was the final format?

tangotreats
02-05-2013, 09:30 PM
It would be infinitely easier to diagnose and fix whatever this is if we could actually see the file... :)

Lockdown
02-05-2013, 09:34 PM
https://mega.co.nz/#!UAsVgYQb!MRYy8CtzuyFF5Md4xsj_xBaiTS1oARZnXIuXz7E 4DV4

theone2000
02-06-2013, 12:49 AM
Thanks for highlighting that, Kooke. I was oblivious to that fact. The encoders I've seen haven't specified the 'up to 8 channels' option. I really ought to take another look.

SACD info: Super Audio CD - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Audio_CD)

Interesting, but pointless. There aren't the artists out there that can embrace this technology. I think Jean Michel Jarre released an SACD, but I never bought it - upon reflection, maybe I should have.

kooke
02-06-2013, 02:35 PM
Apart from stereo, I was able to convert the file to a multichannel flac (using dcadec and ffmpeg on Linux) and it played perfectly. These were the sizes:

DTS.bin: 515 MiB
extracted mutichanned .wav: 3 GiB
6-channels .flac with default compression: 782 MiB
" " " " best " : 772 MiB

Little difference between default and best compression, and a 50% bigger file than the original .bin, but we get a 1:4 size ratio in relation to the uncompressed .wav.

I'm glad to see that, if needed, we can count on FLAC also here.

scorehunter66
02-06-2013, 04:32 PM
I'm really curious to know what this file was LOL!

Also, apart from the PS3 hack, does anyone know of another way to rip an SACD?

Many thanks.

kooke
02-06-2013, 04:46 PM
The files inside were named with OST.Millioner.iz.truschob.VA.2008.DTS. It may be from the russian version (http://dlyakompa.ru/83047-Millioner_iz_trushob_Slumdog_Millionaire_2008_Blu_ ray_BDRip_1080p_DVD9.html) of this British movie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slumdog_Millionaire) filmed in India. :)

I don't know about the ripping, sorry.

Lockdown
02-06-2013, 09:07 PM
It's still sung in English.

JHFan
02-06-2013, 10:08 PM
I'm really curious to know what this file was LOL!

Also, apart from the PS3 hack, does anyone know of another way to rip an SACD?

Many thanks.

It was the Slumdog Millionaire soundtrack.

The only other way is to use an SACD player with the analog multichannel outputs, play the disc and hit "record" using either some special equipment capable of recording multiple tracks at once and using a high quality setting for recording (96kHz/24-bit is fine), or do it the way I did with my "Legend Of Zorro" SACD (when I had the player): Record one pair of channels at a time, and then very carefully sync them all together, also using 96/24 on my computer.

theone2000
02-06-2013, 11:52 PM
It was the Slumdog Millionaire soundtrack.

The only other way is to use an SACD player with the analog multichannel outputs, play the disc and hit "record" using either some special equipment capable of recording multiple tracks at once and using a high quality setting for recording (96kHz/24-bit is fine), or do it the way I did with my "Legend Of Zorro" SACD (when I had the player): Record one pair of channels at a time, and then very carefully sync them all together, also using 96/24 on my computer.

That's drastic. Reminds me of pointing a DV camera at a laptop screen to get around Macrovision.

I've recorded film soundtracks before using the optical output of the player, and piping it straight into the computer. I haven't seen an SACD.

Still, it would be interesting to see if anyone has ripped an SACD with software.

tangotreats
02-07-2013, 12:03 AM
Since "DTS" is in the filename, would that not have provided a cryptic clue as to the format of the music? Like, for instance, it being DTS audio? ;)

JHFan
02-07-2013, 01:02 AM
That's drastic. Reminds me of pointing a DV camera at a laptop screen to get around Macrovision.

The only way your analogy would match would be to hold a microphone up to each speaker when playing an SACD and record it that way. That is not remotely what I am referring to at all. Your analogy doesn't apply.



I've recorded film soundtracks before using the optical output of the player, and piping it straight into the computer.

This is what I am referring to, only instead of an optical out, it would be analog out - the RCA outputs. SACD players (usually older ones without HDMI) have six RCA-type analog outputs, one for each channel and typically would only output the multichannel audio through those analog outputs. As I said, that's how I recorded my "Legend Of Zorro" SACD so I could have a backup in case anything happened to the player - which it turned out I had to give up so it was a good thing I made the recording. Even turned it into a DTS CD as well. Still have the SACD album itself, though.


Still, it would be interesting to see if anyone has ripped an SACD with software.

SACDs cannot be ripped with software because computers, though many have been trying to make progress and change this, cannot read the DSD layer on the disc. If it's a hybrid SACD a computer can only read the CD layer.

Lockdown
02-07-2013, 01:04 AM
It was the Slumdog Millionaire soundtrack.

The only other way is to use an SACD player with the analog multichannel outputs, play the disc and hit "record" using either some special equipment capable of recording multiple tracks at once and using a high quality setting for recording (96kHz/24-bit is fine), or do it the way I did with my "Legend Of Zorro" SACD (when I had the player): Record one pair of channels at a time, and then very carefully sync them all together, also using 96/24 on my computer.
Would you do that?? Because I cannot find this in FLAC :/

kooke
02-07-2013, 08:47 AM
So, you still need the flac of this? I sent you a PM.

theone2000
02-07-2013, 12:24 PM
The only way your analogy would match would be to hold a microphone up to each speaker when playing an SACD and record it that way. That is not remotely what I am referring to at all. Your analogy doesn't apply...

You'll need a microphone and the use of one speaker - make sure the second one is off otherwise you'll get a lot of crossover. Then play the content six times, each time selecting a different channel and recording that. Then synch it all up... I was of course joking about the camcorder thing and the crudeness of such tactics!

I've searched to see if anyone out there has ripped an SACD with software - and so far it's all negative unfortunately - the CD layer yes, but not the DVD layer. So if you want lossless and not the analogue mumbo-jumbo, the only way to go is to copy the output stream through the SPDIF as I suggested earlier.

For playback, the compressed AC-3 / DTS stream will need to be decoded using something like media player classic which invokes ac3filter. If you want to save the channels, you can save them using something like AVS Audio Recorder, which can record up to 8 channels, but this is unnecessary unless you want to extract individual channels and sections. All this software can be downloaded for free.

Caveat: SPDIF was originally designed for 2 channel PCM. DTS and Dolby ride on this stream and are not native, meaning the sound card needs to be able to record SPDIF data as is. Annoyingly, this option is not always implemented. Check the spec.

kooke
02-09-2013, 12:42 AM
For the curious, this is the 2-channels flac of the album (http://depositfiles.com/de/files/s5lmaembk). (7zip, 289 MiB)

Resolution (24 bits) and frequency (44100 Hz) same as the original.
Metadata courtesy of musicbrainz.
p455w0rd: twentyfourbits

AberZombi&Flesh
02-02-2017, 02:38 AM
I just felt compelled to necro an old thread..for no reason at all.

As you were.