The first time we got introduced to Griever was when Squall told Rinoa that the monster on his ring was named Griever.(we were even given a chance to rename it....)

There is also a Griever on the face of the gunblade....it looks a like a lion with wings....

However, when you fight Griever, he looks humanoid and does not look like the pic on the gunblade....

And Griever has this cross on his chest....

When I was writing a fanfic, I stumbled upon the idea that it maybe possible that the Griever we fought was a fusion between the true Griever and Seifer.....I thought Seifer had a cross as his symbol...it was all over his clothes....

just a theory though....

Hmm, interesting theory. The theory I always heard was that Ultimecia created Griever out of Squall's thoughts.

Originally posted by Agent0042
Hmm, interesting theory. The theory I always heard was that Ultimecia created Griever out of Squall's thoughts.

Same here, plus Seifer is defeated and reformed into a good guy at the end of disc 3.

:o all of you are correct greiver is the ring of squall which he showed to rinoa :o and further more greiver is made by ultimecia from squall's thoughts so all of you are correct but the most correct is that greiver was made by ultimecia from squal!!!!!!! :D so there is no point in arguing!!!!!!!!!! :whatever:

^^ r u sure? i'm not very sure myself...

one pt to note though....

when u junction any GF to any of ur characters, their appearance doesnt change....

however...

when ultimecia junctions griever to herself, she literally fuses with it...why is this so?

furthermore, y is her true form so....monstrous? isn't she just a sorceress?

Hey man a sorceress, and ultimecia is powerful, can do almosy anything

yeah its from the ring and made out of his mind, yep

im confused if griever is a ring why would she make it out of squalls thoughts if she didnt know him

I guess she pulled it out of his mind, regardless of the ring.

Originally posted by Lestat
im confused if griever is a ring why would she make it out of squalls thoughts if she didnt know him


She did know him.......


*SPOLIER*

Rinoa is Ultimecia

*END SPOLER*

No, come on. Rinoa is not Ultimecia. Ultimecia may have gotten some of her descedant sorceress powers from Rinoa, but they're not the same person.

It is true http://squallsangel83.freeservers.com/about.html

Read that, and come to your own conclusions, I wouldn't lie to fans of FF8 like that. Though Sqaure hasn't fully assured this, it does answer some puzzling questions.

Mmm. It's a fairly well-written fanfictional theory, but I still say that's just what it is, fanfiction, unless Square really did say something like you're hinting at.

Okay then, fair enough, your opinion. I am going to stick by this theory as it adds a pretty nice twist to the storyline and gives Ultimecia more meaning in the storyline.

i dun think it's ridiculous, but it's prob not true...I think it's a descendant of ellone though...

i believe that odine did not succeed in making ellone's ability into a magic...becos, if tt is so, the pple of the future wld be able to use the magic to stop ultimecia....

and if there is no such magic, tt means tt ellone's descendants (or ellone herself?!?) wld be a likely suspect....

i'm quite confused though...

It's been a while since I've played but I used to have a big connection theory that's probably been pruned away. By theory was that the GF Selphie found in the monster when she was younger was Griever. She then gave it to Squall at the orphanage who later gave it to Elly. Ultimecia stole Griever from Elly and then used it.

yeh i thought griver come from squall i mean why else would he have a bloody necklace sword sword case and ring! of a thing he doesnt know anything about im sure its to do with his time travel at the end, it also represents his old self he could relie on griever (gettit upset?? grieving.....alone??? he was left alone) to be his strength when ultmecia draws it from him she hopes he cant defeat his old self which he does......and surely ultemecia isnt rinoa no way! its decades in the future and why would she just flip out and wanna kill everything (punch up at wedding link no worky......) im sure its just some girl who no one likes coz shes a sorceress who wants revenge i imagined a spoilt brat kid who as the world is ending would be saying whos laughing now! huh?! bwaahahahaha etc.

think of all the final bosses u fought in ff before...was anyone of them introduced only near the end of the game?

literature wise, all of the final bosses are important elements tt drive the storyline....

it can be argued tt ultimecia appears in the form of edea....don't u think it's kinda strange?

ultimecia is from the future.....thus.....for her to be of enuff status to be a final boss, she must be someone you encounter in ff8.....

was anyone of them introduced only near the end of the game?
Necron, in FFIX, but that's after FFVIII. Zeromus in FFIV, I think.

yeh they are introduced early but ultimecia is controlling edea through odines machine (magic doo dah wateva) to try and asorb all the sorceress powers, and besides why would rinoa just flipp like that...you know i love you squall but hey i wanna destroy existence! it dont matter though coz your just kill me anyway!

someone earlier in this forum gave a couple of links which featured essays on this theory.....mite want to check them out....

Punch up at a wedding's link didn't work....and I love fanfics; I'd like to read that, if somebody can get a working link. �_�

Thankyou for informing me Apeman and bob, I will try to find another source that'll have the theory up. I will post one of this page, as well as correct the one on the previous page.

http://squallsangel83.freeservers.com/about.html

ooh, interesting, I like that. See, 'tis this kind of thing that makes me wanna go play the game right now...but, alas, I'm too freakin lazy. :p �_O

http://www.script-tease.net/kristian/

Something I wrote on the Rinoa=Ultimecia theory.

By the way, I noticed someone had taken the username "Sir Bahamut", but this has always been my username on the forum where I wrote it... =/

Sir Bahamut, do you think the theory is only possible because of the lack of information regarding the time after Squall and co. defeat Ultimecia? That's my personal opinion.

Obviously.

If we had all information about that period, it wouldn't be a theory anymore, it would either be fact or fiction.

If we had SOME information things might not change. We do have some information about things that must happen, but what we know leaves enough elbowspace to allow such a theory to exist.

Sir_Bahamut - that was a good read. I still choose to believe that everything was happy and Ultimecia isn't Rinoa, but I think you definitely proved it was possible.

dang that was so cool sir buhamut. yea makes a lot of sense i think that is could go ether way. but yea that is why i thihnkthatthey should make a movie about it but that is another thread. but very interesting. thanx for spending time on that. it was cool!!!

dam i dont understand why you waist your time arguing about things your never gonna be able to answer except in your own perception of the story line. thats why ff is such a great game because it leaves so much for the players to believe. so basicly you can argue over and over again your never gonna come up with a rite answer because there sint one.

How does open-endedness make a game better? Certainly, it gives you things to discuss, but that wouldn't make the game itself any better.

And of course there's a right answer. There's always a right answer to everything. There can be more than one right answer, but never none.

Originally posted by Shiruzo
dam i dont understand why you waist your time arguing about things your never gonna be able to answer except in your own perception of the story line. thats why ff is such a great game because it leaves so much for the players to believe. so basicly you can argue over and over again your never gonna come up with a rite answer because there sint one.


we argue casue we can, and i think that it is fun. but yea it is kinda pointless but i thihnk it is fun to see what people come up with.

Originally posted by Prak
And of course there's a right answer. There's always a right answer to everything. There can be more than one right answer, but never none.

Exactly, but what is the answer? That is what this thread is all about, I think.

ok so there is an answer but you will ever find it out.

so lets argue about it more yay. i love a good debate. back home im the master debater:p