So, I went to The Legend of Zelda: Symphony of the Goddesses in SF, and recorded the show's entirety in Stereo WAV, 44100Hz, 16 bit. I then edited the songs, which was a long series of steps that basically led me to remastering the concert. This is by far the best live recording of any music I've ever heard, and I'm not just saying that because I recorded it.
This is not completely done, but it has been a long time since I said I'd share this, and It's almost as perfect as it can get. Basically what's left is for me to remove noise, which is a problem I can fix quite quickly.
All files will eventually be updated with less mic pops (like those noticed in Movement 2), better patches on the two noticably patched parts, and removal of white noise. I also need to remove the sounds of thousands of audience members who unlike me, feel the need to cough or speak during the event, even though they could just do that after or during intermission. Looks like I'll also amplify the tracks to the highest dB without clipping, as well. This is exactly why I still have .wav versions.
Tracklist:
01. The Legend of Zelda Overture
02. Kakariko Village - Twilight Princess Theme
03. Ballad of the Wind Fish
04. (Introduction) Creation of Hyrule
05. (I) Ocarina of Time Symphonic Movement
06. (II) Wind Waker symphonic Movement
07. (Transition) Great Fairy's Fountain Theme (I need to change this one's title)
08. (III) Twilight Princess Symphonic Movement
09. (IV) A Link to the Past Symphonic Movement and Coda
10. (Encore #1) Gerudo Valley
11. (Encore #2) Majora's Mask medley

Note that there are two other songs that played in this tour's Vancouver stop, but not in SF. Those will also be posted here, but in lower quality. If you come across them anywhere, please let me know. They are called:
Zelda Symphony of the Godesses Vancouver Second Piece - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAwR5cl94ZE)
Zelda Symphony LIVE of the Godesses Vancouver 4th Song - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdSUBkztgNc)
At least I have them, though...
12. (Unplayed) Old School Medley aka Dungeons
13. (Unplayed) Ocarina of Time Melodies aka Songs of the Hero
Without further ado, here are the files:
ALL FILES UPDATED! (fixed track 11 volume, overall volume balance, and some clicks)


FLAC
MP3 320
M4A 512


Part 1 (http://www.mediafire.com/?7vfy9kgroa9dqr5)
MP3.rar (http://www.mediafire.com/?9n0tnt9ftmcn3f6)
Part 1 (http://www.mediafire.com/?jlz8ch5ng89x7ma)


Part 2 (http://www.mediafire.com/?36pn4naam33uyjt)
N/A
Part 2 (http://www.mediafire.com/?hkchu2v35dbnbz6)


Extra Songs (http://www.mediafire.com/?yl73xwkohxttoxf)
Extra Songs (http://www.mediafire.com/?ag4gbkabg4f8kbu)
Extra Songs (VBR) (http://www.mediafire.com/?2ajbdmq6b9fas1b)


Folder: Free Cloud Storage - MediaFire (http://www.mediafire.com/?f319dxz227zrf)
Currently uploaded version: 1.7
Extra songs updated! (version 1.3)
See also: this thread (http://forums.ffshrine.org/f72/legend-zelda-25h-anniversary-symphony-recordings-97294/6.html)

This is a very interesting "Wave"form, from the Great Sea part of The Wind Waker Movement:

 ^ My next project will also involve working with some really amazing music: http://forums.ffshrine.org/f70/kid-icarus-uprising-soundtrack-111370/3.html#post1969414

NOTE: There are a few noticeable errors in Faleel's stereo recording of last year's concert. I'm going to fix these, and upload it. Credit still goes to Faleel and whoever else, though.

And keep an eye on this post, as I'll be making a lot of edits to it.
If you like what you see, you can add reputation points. That's what I always do to people.

SOME OTHER STUFF:
For The Legend of Zelda 25th Anniversary Symphony concert(The version I found, the Stereo version by Faleel, and another that's uploading), The Legend of Zelda Piano Arrange CD (FLAC, MP3, and Scans), and the only good version of Symphonic Legends: Music From Nintendo, go to this Mediafire Folder of mine (http://www.mediafire.com/#uis3gp6rtsz4h).

tagged. thx 4 the effort

Could you post the files in MP3, please ?

Thanks in advance.

Yes, I'm reuploading due to upload failure.

thanks!

waiting for it. is this you logan?

waiting for it. is this you logan?

Yes, it's me.

So awesome, thanks for all your hard work in compiling/arranging your recordings into an awesome release! :)

there it is. thank you, link28

Sounds very promising, thank you. I wonder if they ever come to Europe...

I must thank you and commend you for your generous time and effort on this. Looking forward very much to hearing it. it would be great for you to remove noise when you can. And MP3? Thank you again for this!

great music in here, ty! looking forward to an even cleaner version but this is great in any case:)

Wow! This is the most promising recording that I have heard so far (and with minimal audience noise ;)). Thank you!

Wow! This is the most promising recording that I have heard so far (and with minimal audience noise ;)). Thank you!
Yep! That was the original idea/plan. I'm a guy who has become obsessed with good lossless music. Lossless is pointless when it isn't recorded properly, tough. I definitely need to clean up the audio, since it sounds really good, except in my favorite headphones (which, if you have over $100, Sony makes good Studio Monitor ones that play audio with more power and higher quality (and frequencies) than any other brands' $300 model (the $300 ones at best buy are equivalent in specs to a $30 Sony model, what a rip-off, as is the rest of the store), and you could probably get them for like half on ebay. Get the MDR-V6 (best for its price) What was I saying again?... … Oh, right. It's interesting that I can hear the audio sound exactly as it did when I was there (except for the white noise), and I can hear the imperfections in the audio, as these headphones have a correct balance of Treble/Bass. (Most these days have WAY too much bass.) The reason I didn't remaster with them, is because the clipping would have hurt them.

And now I give you guys a little tip: If you ever find music you want ripped, and show it to me somehow (or tell me about it) AND it is exceptionally good, I'll pretty much have to rip/record it, as I CANNOT STAND not being able to listen to music that is truly epic. Just keep in mind that it has to ba a task that I can actually perform, and not a bunch of dynamic music (like the awesome music in many Zelda games, which is already ripped anyway).

I'll be adding related stuff to the first post pretty soon.

Thank you :)

OMG they did Majora's Mask??? I went to the first one in Dallas and they didn't do it. Thank you so much for recording this!

Interesting that it is changing from show to show. Fantastic effort! Thanks for this!

Thanks for all the work!
I'm wondering if you have versions of each song with the applause of the audience at the end. This is what makes live orchestra for me very special.

As fan recordings made (I assume) on consumer equipment go, this one must rank as one of the best - not the best, but infinitely better than 99.999% of other attempts. This is what you get when somebody who knows what he's doing wields the tool. Might I ask what you used to make this recording? In my opinion, the only way you would've got better is if you'd used something like a Zoom recorder and been sitting ten feet in front of the orchestra.

I'm still as incensed as ever by the audience - but I blame the concert promoters for pitching the concert at the wrong audience and obviously conveying the impression that this sort of behaviour is acceptable.

What is needed is an announcement at the beginning of the concert - "Attention; this is a classical music concert and the audience is expected to adhere to appropriate etiquette - do not make any noise during the performance - laughter, applause, conversation, yelling is not permissible while the music is playing - and if you need to cough do so with a covered mouth, and attempt to minimise its impact on fellow audience members. Failure to adhere to these requirements will result in guilty persons being ejected from the hall."

Racket during the performance works in some forms of music - it does not in classical music. If these people are going to enter a hall of classical music, before an orchestra of classical musicians, they can damn well respect the culture of classical music or get the hell out.

Why do you go to a Zelda concert and then whoop and guffaw with surprise when, sixteen seconds into the first piece, you hear the Zelda theme? What were you expecting, "Let The Bodies Hit The Floor"? Shut the fuck up and listen to the music you ignorant troglodytes.

...perhaps they are laughing/cheering at what is onscreen?

perhaps its not classical music?

just some thoughts, though I agree there should not hooting and hollering, but it wasn't that bad this time 'round.

and....most classical concert audiences, are not going to go to a Zelda music concert....

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And it was recorded on an Android, I brought upt the idea of using two devices for a stereo sound.

As fan recordings made (I assume) on consumer equipment go, this one must rank as one of the best - not the best, but infinitely better than 99.999% of other attempts. This is what you get when somebody who knows what he's doing wields the tool. Might I ask what you used to make this recording? In my opinion, the only way you would've got better is if you'd used something like a Zoom recorder and been sitting ten feet in front of the orchestra.

I'm still as incensed as ever by the audience - but I blame the concert promoters for pitching the concert at the wrong audience and obviously conveying the impression that this sort of behaviour is acceptable.

What is needed is an announcement at the beginning of the concert - "Attention; this is a classical music concert and the audience is expected to adhere to appropriate etiquette - do not make any noise during the performance - laughter, applause, conversation, yelling is not permissible while the music is playing - and if you need to cough do so with a covered mouth, and attempt to minimise its impact on fellow audience members. Failure to adhere to these requirements will result in guilty persons being ejected from the hall."

Racket during the performance works in some forms of music - it does not in classical music. If these people are going to enter a hall of classical music, before an orchestra of classical musicians, they can damn well respect the culture of classical music or get the hell out.

Why do you go to a Zelda concert and then whoop and guffaw with surprise when, sixteen seconds into the first piece, you hear the Zelda theme? What were you expecting, "Let The Bodies Hit The Floor"? Shut the fuck up and listen to the music you ignorant troglodytes.

Attention audience ! Due to bootleg recordings being made secretly, We strongly advise you not to sneeze, Breath or even smile, The guilty parties shall be escorted out back and shut on the spot.. in their pee pees! ;)

Wow Tangotreats, Can't say I agree with you there.. AT ALL. Now, I'm as disturbed by the audience's noise when listening to these recordings as much as you are. But let's face it buddy, The audience comes first - The guys downloading bootlegs come second, remember? The audience there PAID MONEY, To go to a FAN CONCERT. This is not some snooty british concert of some overpraised peace of classical music from 300 years ago. This is zelda. This is a concert for a game series, These are special occassions and the people there are EXCITED, And as long as someone doesn't intentionally seek out to ruin other people's enjoyment, they have every right to do so. They are excited to experience their favorite game music being played by a live orchestra, they are not the wrong audience. Those who wanna go there and shush everyone and stare with a blank face at the orchestra, these are the wrong audience.. They are better off playing mp3s of the thing on their pc, with headphones on ofcourse!

Now, I'm as disturbed by the audience's noise when listening to these recordings as much as you are. But let's face it buddy, The audience comes first - The guys downloading bootlegs come second, remember? The audience there PAID MONEY, To go to a FAN CONCERT. This is not some snooty british concert of some overpraised peace of classical music from 300 years ago. This is zelda. This is a concert for a game series, These are special occassions and the people there are EXCITED, And as long as someone doesn't intentionally seek out to ruin other people's enjoyment, they have every right to do so. They are excited to experience their favorite game music being played by a live orchestra, they are not the wrong audience. Those who wanna go there and shush everyone and stare with a blank face at the orchestra, these are the wrong audience.. They are better off playing mp3s of the thing on their pc, with headphones on ofcourse!

And what about those who paid money to actually listen to the music rather than hear a bunch of ignorant fuckheads scream "OMG ZELDA I WANTZ LINKZ BABIEZ!!!!!" People who, you know, can also enjoy that "overpraised classical music from 300 years ago."

Surely you've heard the phrase, "When in Rome, do as the Romans do?" Well, these aren't rock concerts. There's no fairy mosh pit. It's certainly understandable that the audience will be a bit more free going at these events but that's no excuse to behave in complete ignorance. This type of music is meant for listening, not partying. It requires your full attention. Psych out during the standing ovation at the end, by all means, but when the orchestra is playing you're supposed to keep your damn mouth shut.

Thanks to the uploader. I'm very interested in checking out the "Link to the Past" movement.

Thanks for all the work!
I'm wondering if you have versions of each song with the applause of the audience at the end. This is what makes live orchestra for me very special.

I'd also like to see this. Applause and even MC segments can enhance a live recording.

And what about those who paid money to actually listen to the music rather than hear a bunch of ignorant fuckheads scream "OMG ZELDA I WANTZ LINKZ BABIEZ!!!!!" People who, you know, can also enjoy that "overpraised classical music from 300 years ago."

Surely you've heard the phrase, "When in Rome, do as the Romans do?" Well, these aren't rock concerts. There's no fairy mosh pit. It's certainly understandable that the audience will be a bit more free going at these events but that's no excuse to behave in complete ignorance. This type of music is meant for listening, not partying. It requires your full attention. Psych out during the standing ovation at the end, by all means, but when the orchestra is playing you're supposed to keep your damn mouth shut.

Thanks to the uploader. I'm very interested in checking out the "Link to the Past" movement.

Unfortunately I don't have the chance to attend these concerts as they are not touring in my country, So I don't know what the audience is. But there is a difference to me between rowdy 12 year olds that interrupt other people's enjoyment of the concert and adults in their 20s-30s who grew up with the series (like me) and are excited to be a part of such an exciting event. As for the "classical music from 300 years ago" thing, I love classical music, and have been to quite a few concerts, And yes there are rules and you are expected to be quiet and just listen. That's fine. But with Videogames concert my feeling is that it's different. Fans of classical music go to concerts to hear their favorite music, Zelda concerts are made FOR the fans, It's not an ordinary event and it's quite groundbreaking to have Videogame music finally get widespread like that. It's exciting and it's a new experience, So it's understandable that it will be different than concerts of classical music that have been popular since many many years ago.

That being said, it's a shame they didn't make a studio recording of the different concerts, I'm sure it would've sold well outside the concert hall. Luckily our friend Link28469 came prepared to provide us with something enjoyable to make up for it. Thanks again ;)

I agree that it's a shame that a clean studio recording of these arrangements hasn't been released; I think it'd sell like gangbusters. I think Nintendo has really dropped the ball with regard to the presentation of their music.

And I was being flippant above. However, there's been no such cheering or excuses made at the film music concerts I've attended. If film lovers can respectfully handle hearing their favorite moments played live, why can't gamers? (At least there's one thing we can all agree upon -- middle-school aged children are hopelessly annoying.)

This recording really is highly appreciated. Thank you, Link, for such a fine effort!

I'll agree that the first recording of the full concert which surfaced around the time Skyward was released, was infinitely less enjoyable and the audience was certeinly apart of it.
And also I'll envy you guys for attending these concerts ! :) We had a few movie themes concerts over here and these occasions are as rare as they are memorable :)

We had a few movie themes concerts over here and these occasions are as rare as they are memorable :)

I think attendance at a lot of symphony concert halls would go up if the establishment would be more open to expanding the so-called "repertoire." My local orchestra seems firmly stuck in the early Romantic era 90% of the time.

I was lucky though going to college in LA. Best concert was seeing John Williams at USC and it cost me $5. Now that will spoil a person.

I really need to move back there. *sigh*

I agree that it's a shame that a clean studio recording of these arrangements hasn't been released; I think it'd sell like gangbusters. I think Nintendo has really dropped the ball with regard to the presentation of their music.

And I was being flippant above. However, there's been no such cheering or excuses made at the film music concerts I've attended. If film lovers can respectfully handle hearing their favorite moments played live, why can't gamers? (At least there's one thing we can all agree upon -- middle-school aged children are hopelessly annoying.)

This recording really is highly appreciated. Thank you, Link, for such a fine effort!
I think that gamers in the U.S. just ddon't know symphony manners. You're not supposed to clap between movements at all (with the exception of the intermission). Symphonic Legends: Music From Nintendo, had no clapping, speaking, or any other disruption, and it was in Cologne, Germany.
At the SF concert, although I broke into tears more times than I could count, I stayed silent the whole time, and I wish others would do so. Luckily, it wasn't like the recording of the LA concert, where there was that one guy who would just yell "YEAH!" or "WOO!" in the middle of the best parts of the songs, causing everyone else to start clapping.

As fan recordings made (I assume) on consumer equipment go, this one must rank as one of the best - not the best, but infinitely better than 99.999% of other attempts. This is what you get when somebody who knows what he's doing wields the tool. Might I ask what you used to make this recording? In my opinion, the only way you would've got better is if you'd used something like a Zoom recorder and been sitting ten feet in front of the orchestra.I used two Android phones, and apps that can record high quality wav files. I also made sure that nothing else was using the CPUs. I would've used my one Android that has two mics, but I guess it only can downmix to mono, so I just used both. Luckily, I got good seats and didn't have to pay nearly as much as those who couldn't shut up.


I'm still as incensed as ever by the audience - but I blame the concert promoters for pitching the concert at the wrong audience and obviously conveying the impression that this sort of behaviour is acceptable.

What is needed is an announcement at the beginning of the concert - "Attention; this is a classical music concert and the audience is expected to adhere to appropriate etiquette - do not make any noise during the performance - laughter, applause, conversation, yelling is not permissible while the music is playing - and if you need to cough do so with a covered mouth, and attempt to minimise its impact on fellow audience members. Failure to adhere to these requirements will result in guilty persons being ejected from the hall."
[/GUOTE] This is what I was saying before, and why I was surprised when it started. I wonder what the formally-dressed employees thought when they say the many people dressed in t-shirts, some running through the exquisitely beautiful hall, and the majority having no manners at all.
[QUOTE=tangotreats;1972937]Racket during the performance works in some forms of music - it does not in classical music. If these people are going to enter a hall of classical music, before an orchestra of classical musicians, they can damn well respect the culture of classical music or get the hell out.

Why do you go to a Zelda concert and then whoop and guffaw with surprise when, sixteen seconds into the first piece, you hear the Zelda theme? What were you expecting, "Let The Bodies Hit The Floor"? Shut the fuck up and listen to the music you ignorant troglodytes.
Thank you, and I hope people get the point from now on.

OMG they did Majora's Mask??? I went to the first one in Dallas and they didn't do it. Thank you so much for recording this! Yeah, they screwed you guys over. You're area deserves a better one now. Just cause they went there first, doesn't mean they should do this to you guys.

And it was recorded on an Android, I brought upt the idea of using two devices for a stereo sound.Well, I would've done this anyway, as I hate mono, and back when I wanted to go to the LA one, I was planning on taking two of those mini-cassette recorders (which would be AMAZING quality). I couldn't find tapes that weren't recorded over a million times, nor could I get one of them to work, but as you can see, I was going for Stereo or nothing at all. On the other hand, I might've forgotten, so I'll give you credit for that.

looks interesting. i wil follow this with much interest :)

I agree that it's a shame that a clean studio recording of these arrangements hasn't been released; I think it'd sell like gangbusters. I think Nintendo has really dropped the ball with regard to the presentation of their music.

Actually, I believe that they're considering it, but I'd imagine that if they release it, it won't be until after the concerts have concluded. I mean, I personally would just buy the CD even if the concert was coming near me.

For the great fairy fountain track, how about the title "Fountain of the Fairy"?

A further studio recording would be very, very welcome - it struck me as odd that they'd go to the trouble of recording what they did for the Symphony CD... and then trot out a bunch of new music at every concert. It screams "marketing tactic" to me. I don't know... if it causes more music to be recorded (in a controlled environment, away from "OMG DUDE Y U NO CLAP FOR BACKWUDZ ZELDER THEAM" types) then all the better. :)


I think that gamers in the U.S. just ddon't know symphony manners. You're not supposed to clap between movements at all (with the exception of the intermission). Symphonic Legends: Music From Nintendo, had no clapping, speaking, or any other disruption, and it was in Cologne, Germany.
At the SF concert, although I broke into tears more times than I could count, I stayed silent the whole time, and I wish others would do so. Luckily, it wasn't like the recording of the LA concert, where there was that one guy who would just yell "YEAH!" or "WOO!" in the middle of the best parts of the songs, causing everyone else to start clapping.

Thank you - common sense, there.

This will sound snobby as fuck, but I don't care. I am a regular concert-goer. I'm a paying subscriber at my local symphony, and a frequent patron at various prestigious concert halls. I have been doing so since I was eleven years old. I learned the appropriate way to behave in such an environment and I practice that awareness wherever I go. In order to become a participant in that world, I adopted the necessary behaviour and it then became MY world as well. When these noisy gamer imbeciles coming tramping in off the streets, they are intruding on MY WORLD.

The last thing I need is somebody telling me "OMG a Zelda concert isn't some snooty British classical thing" - quite apart from the fact that I do not appreciate racism and class discrimination, I do not understand why I should accommodate these jokers.

I've been to concerts that changed my life. I've been to concerts that choked me in tears. I've been to concerts that bored me to death. I've heard some of the very finest, most emotionally moving, mentally draining music ever written by anybody anywhere. Not once have I been unable to control myself; even when a dear friend of mine gave one of the most heartbreaking readings of Rachmaninov's second piano concerto I had ever heard.

Hell, I was physically IN THE RECORDING STUDIO for the entire score for Doctor Who series 6 - you don't hear a voice yelling "WOOO OMG YAY HAHAHA WOW AMAZING CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP FUCK YEAH OH WOW DUDE IT AM I IS TEH DOCTAR!!!!" every five seconds... I had the flu and I still managed to keep quiet.

It is the height of bad manners and disrespect to make noise during the performance. This upsets orchestral performers. It makes them think you're not listening to what they're playing. Trust a guy who circulates in these "snobby" circles - in actuality, with supremely talented people who have devoted their entire lives to their craft... how do you think they like sitting down to play video game tunes to a bunch of losers who aren't actually listening and instead are playing "spot the tune". They may think they are conveying their appreciation. They may not give a rats ass either way. Whatever the reason - it is simply not appropriate behaviour for a concert hall.


This is what I was saying before, and why I was surprised when it started. I wonder what the formally-dressed employees thought when they say the many people dressed in t-shirts, some running through the exquisitely beautiful hall, and the majority having no manners at all.

I'm a regular at the BBC Proms. These are very, very informal concerts - at least by British standards. They are attended by all sorts of people - from crusty old men in bowler hats with rolled umbrellas, upwardly mobile city professionals, people in their twenties in T-shirts and jeans, and kids getting their first taste of classical music. It's a melting pot. The concerts take place in the Royal Albert Hall - which houses 6,500 people.

How much noise do you reckon they make during the music?

You could hear a pin drop in that hall. Silence is magical. Music is a shared experience; six thousand people sitting together in absolute silence, being transported to another world by the work of a genius.

On one occasion in 1996, I believe, a man was arrested in the Arena. To this day I don't know what he'd done or why he was arrested - but three police officers entered during the second movement of Beethoven's 5th Symphony (BBC Scottish Symphony under Osmo Vanska) negotiated through to where he was standing, took him by the arms, and removed him from the hall.

If the police can arrest a member of the audience in the middle of a Beethoven slow movement and not cause a commotion...

...a bunch of Zelda fans can keep quiet for 90 minutes and listen to the music they obviously paid ridiculous sums of money to hear.

Simple as that. :D

Perhaps it's more rowdy in those concerts than I imagine it were. There's a difference to me between wooting and yelling compared to some people remarking "so beautiful.." to eachother etc.
My point was not to defend those who come to make noise, but to point out that it's expected there won't be a complete and utter silence. In this recording there were 2 times the whole audience laughed, i'm guessing the orchestra did something to deliberately get this response, to engage the audience and address it's excitement.

It's all good though, I see your point.

Interesting. Thanks for doing this. I'm going to check it out after reading through the comments. I was hesitant to after hearing the LA recording that came out late last year. If Nintendo released all of the concert recordings similar to Square Enix with Distant Worlds, I would totally buy it.

In this recording there were 2 times the whole audience laughed, i'm guessing the orchestra did something to deliberately get this response, to engage the audience and address it's excitement.
No, remember that there there was a massive screen playing clips from the games throughout the entire concert. The laughing part during the Kakariko song was when they showed Link being attacked by Cuccoos, and in the WW Movement, they were laughing at Tetra. I didn't find either funny, but I've played the games too much. Not that I would've found them funny. Also, I said the wooting and yelling was in the LA concert, not this one.

So I suppose this is the same performance, more or less, as what was released on the anniversary CD with Skyward Sword, or is it different musically?

So I suppose this is the same performance, more or less, as what was released on the anniversary CD with Skyward Sword, or is it different musically?

There are actually some differences. Barely noticeable, but there. And about half the tracks aren't on the CD. The Legend of Zelda Overture, Ballad of the Wind Fish, Creation of Hyrule, Ocarina of Time Symphonic Movement, A Link to the Past Symphonic Movement and Coda, and Majora's Mask Medley are all new. And all VERY much worth listening to.

I've finally gotten a chance to sit down and give this thing a listen, and I have to say that your recording is incredible! The editing and quality put it close to the level of the official CD release (if it weren't for those audience noises...). It's too bad that they skipped the Old School and Ocarina medleys, they're really fantastic arrangements judging by the YouTube videos. I really hope more music turns up from these concerts with sound quality that maybe begins to match what you've done with these. Thanks so much!

Extra tracks uploaded, in poor quality!
See first post (http://forums.ffshrine.org/f72/legend-zelda-symphony-goddesses-recording-112609/#post1969776).
BTW, tangotreats, forgot to mention that I recorded with my Androids just a couple of inches up from my knees, covering most of them (except the mics) with my hands. (I also noticed that the newer phone had a LED that would flash yellow every 10 seconds, which is probably to prevent bootlegs from being created, as it only does it during recording) I stayed perfectly still the entire time, even during the 25-or-so times that I broke into painfully-silent tears. I also made sure that my hands weren't too close to the mics, so as not to make the audio bounce awkwardly.

Thanks for all the work!
I'm wondering if you have versions of each song with the applause of the audience at the end. This is what makes live orchestra for me very special.

I'd also like to see this. Applause and even MC segments can enhance a live recording.
I have all of that, but it was suggested to not be included. The main reasons I'd persuade you to not request it are:
1. I would have to re-do everything
2. The applause is so much louder than the music, that the music would have to be very low in volume to avoid clipping (and no, clipping is NOT ok.
3. Because Eimear Noone constantly turned her head back and forth while speaking, only about half of what she says would even be recognizeable.
I'm not saying no, but I ain't saying yes, either. Either way, I'm finishing Kid Icarus: Uprising first.

It is the height of bad manners and disrespect to make noise during the performance. This upsets orchestral performers. It makes them think you're not listening to what they're playing. Trust a guy who circulates in these "snobby" circles - in actuality, with supremely talented people who have devoted their entire lives to their craft... how do you think they like sitting down to play video game tunes to a bunch of losers who aren't actually listening and instead are playing "spot the tune". They may think they are conveying their appreciation. They may not give a rats ass either way. Whatever the reason - it is simply not appropriate behaviour for a concert hall.
As an introvert and lifelong fan of Zelda music, I do wish people would keep their mouths shut at the concert. However, some of the blame is on the producer (Jason Michael Paul) for not taking adequate steps to lay out some ground rules in advance of the concert. A few signs outside of the concert hall and gentle reminders printed on the programme booklet would work wonders in getting people to be respectful of others and to the music itself. And for the love of God, do away with the video screens! That only encourages such loutish behavior.

Exactly; this concert is promoted by the same joker who is ZREO's PR guy. That tells you everything you need to know. He's more interested in putting on a show than in quality and dignity.

If this were my show...

a) One orchestrator - a competent one (goodbye, Chad Seiter) for the whole programme. The piece would be a genuine symphony based on Zelda themes. Not a fluffy orchestral medley.
b) A video screen which displays textual information ONLY and during the music, detail of the piece currently playing and a message reminding the audience that quiet is necessary.
c) I would promote the series as a classical event; a way in to classical music for Zelda fans - not as a mosh pit with French horns and clarinets.
d) The conductor would announce at the beginning of the concert a few ground rules for appropriate behaviour; "Thank you for your patronage ladies and gentlemen - for those of you who have not been to an orchestral concert before, it is customary to... etc, etc, etc - and we would appreciate it if you didn't... etc, etc, etc - as it makes it difficult for us to concentrate and is considered disrespectful. Thank you very much, and enjoy the concert."

In other words, we would be talking about a prestigious event; something befitting the 25th Anniversary of a well-loved franchise.

Isn't Jason Michael Paul the douche behind the PLAY! fiasco as well? Who doesn't love paying for a gimped CD-R?!

Oh, that's another thing: They said to consult your Concert Program booklet during the symphony, but to this day, the Symphony of the Goddesses has yet to include a program.

Too bad nobody shared a recording of the 25th Anniversary concert in London, bcuz the Royal Philharmonic Concert Orchestra is an amazing orchestra, and I'm sure the audience behaved.

Guess what? I'm further editing the audio right now! (And yes, I know how to do this without degradation...)

I was going to go to the London concert - but I deliberately didn't buy tickets in the end because I knew that the misbehaving audience would make me mad and I'd end up getting into a punch-up with somebody.

Proud as I am of my countrymen, I fear they would have been no better behaved than their American counterparts. The concert itself was held at a venue well known as a rock and comedy venue - not in a concert hall. The whole thing was touted like a rock concert.

The Daily Telegraph have a photo gallery online - The Legend of Zelda 25th anniversary symphony concert in pictures - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/video-games/Picture-galleries/8850240/The-Legend-of-Zelda-25th-anniversary-symphony-concert-in-pictures.html)

Notice how there is not one sodding photo of anything to do with the actual concert - just a variety of sad arseholes who feel the need to go in fancy dress.

Oddly enough, when I go to a Mahler concert, I don't feel the need to dress up as Mahler...

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OK, I take it back! Maybe there's hope for the British after all!

I found a (fairly awful) recording on Youtube of the Twilight Princess movement; which after a fair bit of digital massaging I have made listenable. A very subdued chuckle at around 4:01 and apart from that, blissful silence!

- twilight london.mp3 (http://www.mediafire.com/?nnwmyanf5mu4ikv)

I was going to go to the London concert - but I deliberately didn't buy tickets in the end because I knew that the misbehaving audience would make me mad and I'd end up getting into a punch-up with somebody.

Proud as I am of my countrymen, I fear they would have been no better behaved than their American counterparts. The concert itself was held at a venue well known as a rock and comedy venue - not in a concert hall. The whole thing was touted like a rock concert.

The Daily Telegraph have a photo gallery online - The Legend of Zelda 25th anniversary symphony concert in pictures - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/video-games/Picture-galleries/8850240/The-Legend-of-Zelda-25th-anniversary-symphony-concert-in-pictures.html)

Notice how there is not one sodding photo of anything to do with the actual concert - just a variety of sad arseholes who feel the need to go in fancy dress.

Oddly enough, when I go to a Mahler concert, I don't feel the need to dress up as Mahler...
That's very interesting...
On another note, I went as TP Link, but I couldn't stop myself from doing so, as I am far beyond what most can comprehend from the term "Zelda fan". At the same time, however, as much as I love Zelda music, a large quantity of orchestral music has earned my rating as the best. In other words, despite being such a huge Zelda fan since the age of 2, (unlike the many people who just "decided" they were Zelda fans last year,) Also, I would not have gone, had it not been fully orchestral (though I was definitely hesitant after hearing last year's recordings). I don't get to be Link often enough, so I too my chance, and FINALLY got some decent photos. Besides, four employees gave me really nice compliments, so I'm glad I cosplayed. At least TP Link wears formal pants, and I used the shirt from my suit as the white shirt...

I didn't go to hear the fucking audience, I went to hear the orchestra.
Also, I should mention that the people I went with originally had the idea of going to a symphony, so we were going to go to one anyway. It was I who decided to go to the Zelda one, and I enjoyed it very much, despite my face being salty and my eyes and sinuses in pain afterwards (from so many tears over a prolonged time where I was not moving), and me standing out from most of the crowd on the way out (requiring me to hide all this).

OK, I take it back! Maybe there's hope for the British after all!

I found a (fairly awful) recording on Youtube of the Twilight Princess movement; which after a fair bit of digital massaging I have made listenable. A very subdued chuckle at around 4:01 and apart from that, blissful silence!

- twilight london.mp3 (http://www.mediafire.com/?nnwmyanf5mu4ikv)Yay for the british! (I'm only like 20% British)
Do you think all 16 songs haave been recorded and shared on YT?
Why make the RPO play in such a place?
BTW, this is slightly beeter quality, but demonstrates bad etiquette in London's concert:
http://soundcloud.com/franky-durango/zelda-symphony-london-25th-03-wind-waker

Eep...

Present company excluded, of course! It annoyed me more not because they were dressing up, but because the "photo gallery" seemed to suggest that this is all that took place - one would have been forgiven for thinking it was a simple cosplay event.

I forget that games and movies can bring people to music - and if it seems as though I don't respect people who came in through that route, I apologise. My background and primary interest is music - with the medium being of secondary, tertiary, or even zero interest. I am not a gamer (mainly due to being useless at gaming in general, and also due to simply not being interested) - until last month I thought that Link was Zelda, and Zelda was the geographical location in which the story took place.

I wish I were joking...

[Edit: All that stupid applause would go away if they turned off the video screens. The RPO go where they can make money. London has a disproportionate number of professional symphony orchestras and they have to pay the bills somehow.]

Eep...

Present company excluded, of course! It annoyed me more not because they were dressing up, but because the "photo gallery" seemed to suggest that this is all that took place - one would have been forgiven for thinking it was a simple cosplay event.I see what you mean... This is pretty much what the press did for the LA one.

I forget that games and movies can bring people to music - and if it seems as though I don't respect people who came in through that route, I apologise. My background and primary interest is music - with the medium being of secondary, tertiary, or even zero interest. I am not a gamer (mainly due to being useless at gaming in general, and also due to simply not being interested) - until last month I thought that Link was Zelda, and Zelda was the geographical location in which the story took place. You know what's funny? Orchestral music usually brings me to the games. So I guess I was more the opposite of the Majora-ty of the audience. And yes, I know you're primary interest from your posts in other threads.

I wish I were joking...

[Edit: All that stupid applause would go away if they turned off the video screens. The RPO go where they can make money. London has a disproportionate number of professional symphony orchestras and they have to pay the bills somehow.] Turning off the screen would save money, too. I liked how it showed scenes from the games that were organized to match the music (for those of you who don't know, this is the exact opposite of how most film scores are made, with the score being composed to match what's on screen, cues aside), but I deliberately didn't beat Wind Waker yet, so there were spoilers. Also, most Zelda fans have seen all that shit anyway. ...I take that back: Nowadays, everyone says they're a Zelda fan by their own inexperienced terms, and that's another reason audience members were in awe (because there were parts that looked cool or something). When you've played through Zelda games many times (especially nine full play-throughs of Ocarina of Time), you kinda cease to care about seeing the cutscenes, especially if you're not playing the game. And who needs text on-screen during a symphonic performance? (In another thread, one user noted being unable to listen without the distraction from a mother reading every line of text out loud to her little kids, though I didn't remember seeing any kids) I took a nice look at the orchestra. At least they focused the cameras more on the orchestra during the Ballad of the Wind Fish piece.

BTW, I'm doing only minor fixes right now. Just noticed something weird in the MM Medley, but I know what it is, and am going to try and fix it. And did someone whistle at the beginning of track 7?
It's a good thing I'm good at math, because there's a lot that must be done in audio editing.

Exactly; this concert is promoted by the same joker who is ZREO's PR guy. That tells you everything you need to know. He's more interested in putting on a show than in quality and dignity.


Huh? What's your problem with ZREO?

IMHO, the original songs are usually better than ZREO's versions, but there are exceptions to that. BTW, Jason Michael Paul was the producer of the Symphony (and PLAY!). Jeron Moore is the ZREO guy. Both of them (and Chad Seiter) were there in SF, though.

In case nobody noticed, I updated the audio in the first post (http://forums.ffshrine.org/f72/legend-zelda-symphony-goddesses-recording-112609/#post1969776).

Huh? What's your problem with ZREO?

Do you actually want to know, or is that a passive-aggressive invitation to argue? (In which case, I politely decline.)

Is this the same music that was on the Special Anniversary music CD?

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Damn Mediafire deleted the part 2 of the FLAC files. ARRGHHH!

All downloading fine for me.

Is this the same music that was on the Special Anniversary music CD?

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Damn Mediafire deleted the part 2 of the FLAC files. ARRGHHH!


All downloading fine for me.

Yeah, it's still there. I don't know why part 1 has 9 more downloads than 2, though.

Yeah, it's still there. I don't know why part 1 has 9 more downloads than 2, though.

The Link to part 2 in the first post is somehow broken. But when you go to your folder first, and form there to Part2, it works.

The Link to part 2 in the first post is somehow broken. But when you go to your folder first, and form there to Part2, it works.

Fixed. Thank you. I guess I fucked up, forgetting to replace the link to the old (deleted) version, with the new link.

In case nobody noticed, I updated the audio in the first post (http://forums.ffshrine.org/f72/legend-zelda-symphony-goddesses-recording-112609/#post1969776).

Cool, downloading again! :)

Not sure if anyone else has noticed, but the link (to the folder with Faleel's stereo recording, the Symphonic Legends audio, and the CD) isn't working.

Not sure if anyone else has noticed, but the link (to the folder with Faleel's stereo recording, the Symphonic Legends audio, and the CD) isn't working.

Dammit, MediaFire fails a lot. I'll fix it.

EDIT: Actually, nevermind. I just successfully downloaded them. Something must be wrong on your end...

Possibly, but it's just (an ad page that pretty much advertises why you should get an account) No, it links to my files (I just remembered my password). I know of some file hosting websites (and mediafire) that need you to make a folder public; do you need to do so on mediafire?

Possibly, but it's just (an ad page that pretty much advertises why you should get an account) No, it links to my files (I just remembered my password). I know of some file hosting websites (and mediafire) that need you to make a folder public; do you need to do so on mediafire?

Yes, but mine all are. Did you notice the green download button in the middle of the download page?

I partly blame Video Games Live where that sort of behavior is not only NOT discouraged, but actively ENCOURAGED. Also, I would imagine that it is probably one of the first concerts a lot of these people have gone to in a symphonic setting. They may simply not know the usual etiquette for stuff like this. All that, combined with the fact that the average age of these people is probably between 13-25 and it is what it is. That being said, classical music concerts usually don't have giant screens depicting video games and people in cosplay running around on stage...so the usual rules might not apply so strictly. Also, the music is good, but this is no Rach 3...so a few of you could tone down the snobbery.

Hopefully Nintendo at some point decides to release the songs not on Symphony CD from Skward Sword as another official release.

Yes, but mine all are. Did you notice the green download button in the middle of the download page?

No: All it does is bring me to my files. The link in the web address line is correct, and whenever I try a different one, say, the MP3 RAR, it brings me to its respective download page. Maybe it's just being stupid for me.

Hopefully Nintendo at some point decides to release the songs not on Symphony CD from Skward Sword as another official release.

I hope at some point Nintendo releases more Music overall

No: All it does is bring me to my files. The link in the web address line is correct, and whenever I try a different one, say, the MP3 RAR, it brings me to its respective download page. Maybe it's just being stupid for me.
I think you have to log out of your account first, as I've had this problem, too.

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As you can see, I strongly agree.

Hi! First, thank you for this! The recording quality is stunning, as far as it concerns me.

My question is: Are you still working on this one, or is it finished? I just ask because I want to know whether I can burn it for my archives or I should wait. :)

so a few of you could tone down the snobbery.

With respect, asking that people adhere to basic rules of courtesy and respect is not snobbery. It's a sad world we live in... where people with standards are insulted, and rude, inconsiderate people are praised or released from responsibility on the grounds that they "don't know any better".

Well, how do people who don't know, know? By being told, by learning, by making an effort.

With respect, asking that people adhere to basic rules of courtesy and respect is not snobbery. It's a sad world we live in... where people with standards are insulted, and rude, inconsiderate people are praised or released from responsibility on the grounds that they "don't know any better".

Well, how do people who don't know, know? By being told, by learning, by making an effort.

I think there's a big difference between people in the audience who interrupt for the sake of interrupting ( ala kids in the cinema ), And people in the audience who are moved and share their feelings with those around them in a manner that won't hard another person's enjoyment. I won't start talking loudly in the middle of the concert, but if I would've gone to a zelda concert I bet my friend/GF and I would not keep total complete silence as we are excited, But we would also take measure not to ruin someone else's experience.
But there are those who are especially anal in concerts that think they are in a room with 500 corpses and are outraged at any slight noise.. These people are not asking for "basic courtsey", They are expecting everyone to curb their enthusiasm ;)

No, no, no! Please, stop casting people who prefer to listen to music in silence as anal snobs! They're NOT!

As far as I'm concerned, an interruption is an intentional interruption. The only sort that aren't intentional are, for instance, when you have to cough - in which case, you cover your mouth and endeavour to minimise the disruption.

Saying your interruption isn't intentional because you think you have the right to re-define what is and what isn't an interruption... wow, words fail me.

"I'm enthusiastic, therefore I will make noise" doesn't work. Do you reckon I'm not enthusiastic when I go to a concert hall, pay �40, 50, 60, 70 for a ticket, and listen to some of the greatest music ever written? Is Fanboy Gamer enthusiasm somehow more valid than Appreciator Of Classical Music enthusiasm? Why is it that the former must be expressed by stamping on hundreds of years of tradition, but the latter by respecting and adhering to tradition?

Basic courtesy is to not interrupt the enjoyment of the music. It is also to respect the etiquette of symphony concerts, which have been established in their present form for the best part of one hundred years, and have existed in one way or another since the seventeenth century.

Sorry, Zelda fans - but to be blunt, we were there first. ;)

Please respect our rules and expectations when visiting our cultural phenomena. Don't forget how such magnificent things as symphonies, concert halls, and orchestras came into existence.

No, no, no! Please, stop casting people who prefer to listen to music in silence as anal snobs! They're NOT!

As far as I'm concerned, an interruption is an intentional interruption. The only sort that aren't intentional are, for instance, when you have to cough - in which case, you cover your mouth and endeavour to minimise the disruption.

Saying your interruption isn't intentional because you think you have the right to re-define what is and what isn't an interruption... wow, words fail me.

"I'm enthusiastic, therefore I will make noise" doesn't work. Do you reckon I'm not enthusiastic when I go to a concert hall, pay �40, 50, 60, 70 for a ticket, and listen to some of the greatest music ever written?

Basic courtesy is to not interrupt the enjoyment of the music. It is also to respect the etiquette of symphony concerts, which have been established in their present form for the best part of one hundred years, and have existed in one way or another since the seventeenth century.

Sorry, Zelda fans - but to be blunt, we were there first. Please respect our wishes when visiting our cultural phenomena.


But this IS a Zelda concert so - HA ! I've been to 3 Rachmaninov 3 concerts and I was quiet as a ghost.. a quiet ghost.
Again, everyone has a right to enjoy these concerts in their own way as long as they have the sense to tell when they are crossing the line of others' enjoyment. You can't have COMPLETE silence in a room with hundreds of people. Imagine you take your girlfriend who is not accostmed to the music, would you not whisper some explanation and background in her ear so she'd enjoy it more?

When I hear someone talking quietly and explaining something to another person I will ignore it and not make a fuss, but if I see someone is unaware of anyone but himself you can be sure i'm the first guy to shush him.

Imagine you take your girlfriend who is not accostmed to the music, would you not whisper some explanation and background in her ear so she'd enjoy it more?

I would explain it to her before I take her LOL (or on the drive over), so "HA!"

But this IS a Zelda concert so - HA ! I've been to 3 Rachmaninov 3 concerts and I was quiet as a ghost.. a quiet ghost.

I understand that. What I don't understand is why you're arguing that since the music is written by Koji Kondo and not Sergei Rachmaninov, that is deserves less respect.


Again, everyone has a right to enjoy these concerts in their own way as long as they have the sense to tell when they are crossing the line of others' enjoyment.

Does the fact that so many people are complaining about noise during these concerts not suggest that they are crossing the line, and adversely affecting the enjoyment of others?


You can't have COMPLETE silence in a room with hundreds of people.

Of course you can't. I think six hundred years of classical music has learned that much. But because absolute silence is impossible doesn't mean you should turn the concert hall into a speakeasy.

Incidentally, the Royal Albert Hall accommodates 6,500 people when at capacity. The silence in that building is beyond magical.


Imagine you take your girlfriend who is not accostmed to the music, would you not whisper some explanation and background in her ear so she'd enjoy it more?

I frequently take my girlfriend to concerts. Sometimes she's more enthusiastic than others. She's not quite "into it" as much as I am but she goes along to support me, because she's interested in broadening her horizons, and because occasionally after sitting through "hours and hours of your pretentious crap, I hear something I really, really love, and it makes it worthwhile". ;)

Right at the beginning, I made sure she understood the concert hall etiquette. She was keen to "get it right", so to speak, because she didn't wish to cause offense to me or anybody else at the concert, and because she respected the history and traditions of the concert hall. I try to give her as much information as possible before the concert, and perhaps whisper during applause - and talk at length during the interval. When the music is playing; that's [i]listening time - not time for a whispered narration of the programme notes... :)

I also took my father to a concert in 1995. He started applauding seven minutes into Sibelius' 5th symphony. Getting glared at by 1,400 people is an experience I am keen not to repeat. ;)

Hehe funny story about your dad ;)

Again, The arguement here is not interruption vs. quiet listening. It is that courtesy should go both well. There should be tolerance from both sides and it can be achieved. The anal snob type that was mentioned is very much real, this is not refering to the average concert goes but to those who are in the delusion of owning the place and setting the rules by their own standards, They are usually very condesending in their attitude and hence the term anal snob haha. If someone politely bring to my attention that I was interrupting without being aware I will politely agree and make sure to not repeat that. That's the way I do it.

Hehe funny story about your dead

He's very much alive; although after that little escapade, his continued survival was certainly in doubt. ;)

He's very much alive; although after that little escapade, his continued survival was certainly in doubt. ;)

Whoops!! Very unfortunate type, Sorry about that !

Anyway, I'm sorry amld1, but I'm on tangotreats's side of this argument. No hard feelings, I just hate noise in my recordings.
Hi! First, thank you for this! The recording quality is stunning, as far as it concerns me.

My question is: Are you still working on this one, or is it finished? I just ask because I want to know whether I can burn it for my archives or I should wait. :)

No, not yet. I won't resume work on it for a little while, though.

will you be adding any bass boosting? the recording is a bit on the treble-y side...

Anyway, I'm sorry amld1, but I'm on tangotreats's side of this argument. No hard feelings, I just hate noise in my recordings. In a response to apost I can't qoute due to the amount of time it would take to go to the previous page (with my internet not working very well), This is not finished yet.

Hey, No offense taken it's all for the fun of conversation ofcourse ;)

will you be adding any bass boosting? the recording is a bit on the treble-y side...

I thought so, too. For some reason, the usual procedure didn't work very well... In comparing the audio to the original, however, it sounds like the same bass/treble balance. I'll figure something out after I finish my current rip. Don't worry.

Hey, No offense taken it's all for the fun of conversation ofcourse ;)
Awesome.

I have a good solution.

add a bunch of bass to a duplicate track, then turn the volume down on the duplicate, then repeat as necessary

I have a good solution.

add a bunch of bass to a duplicate track, then turn the volume on the duplicate, then repeat as necessary

This may sound like a good idea, but the problem is that this will greatly degrade the audio. I would need to start from a previous step. It seems that the bassline is what was clipped.

how would it?

how would it?

Audio wil degrade in signal and will be dithered if exported in less bits. You can losslessly edit audio without any degradation of the audio signal, so long as you're using enough bits (16 bit, 24-bit, 32-bit). In working with 16 bit audio, importing it as 32-bit and exporting it back as 16 results in higher quality audio than what would result from importing it as 16, editing, and exporting it. There would be no loss in audio signal that is perceivable to any human ear, though following the latter method would cause a greatly-noticeable loss in quality. Here's why: Every process that changes the audio (like normalize, amplify, etc., but NOT anythin g like cutting, switching channels, pasting, or deleting) can be done with no degradation, so long as there is 1 unused bit for each change of 6dB and each part of 6dB, as well as one for each process. In other words, if I have a 16 bit file that I amp. by 8dB in one process, I'll be using the original 16 bits+1 for 6 of the 8dB+1 for the other 2dB+1 for that process. Also, there is 1 used when exporting. (though if no effects are applied, you can go over by 1.) This is why I go back and do everything in the least amount of steps possible. (Don't worry, though. Like I said, this is better than me doing everything at 16 bits, as every change to the audio would degrade it, and result in the equivalent of a 64kb mp3) It is impossible to edit audio from a live recording without loss in quality, but I did it with the smallest loss possible: ~.001% (yes a thousandth of a percent). The reason I never removed the white noise is because that seemed to cause warbling, and that's the ugliest sound in existence (to an audiophile) Still, you'd never want the original files, as the severe clipping would damage your speakers pretty quickly. The signal to noise ratio was unobscured, and will stay this way. I will edit it again soon, but I've got a lossless recording of Kid Icarus: Uprising to finish first.

I think there's some confusion here as to the purpose of bit-depth and its effect on editing.

It is best to work on audio at its native sample rate and bit depth. If your audio is 16 bit to start with, and your intended output depth is 16-bit... leave it at 16-bit!

Bit depth = dynamic range. The higher the depth, the greater the dynamic range. You are starting with a recording that has a theoretical maximum of 16-bits worth of range... and in reality it will have much less than that because it's been made on consumer recording equipment. When you amplify, you are not changing the dynamic range - you are merely raising the amplitude of each sample; but the amplitude of sample to sample remains constant.

Bit depth has nothing to do with sample rate or with quality; only dynamic range and NOTHING MORE.

If you can tell the difference between a file which started off 16-bit and had FIFTY THOUSAND transformations performed on it... you'd be the only person on the planet who could.

We're not talking about MP3-esque, lossy encoding type degradation, here. We're talking about differences so infinitesimal that they simply do not exist in the real world. You're worrying about the difference in statistical likelihood that you could flush an elephant or a wildebeest down the toilet. Yeah, the two animals are different in size - but for the purposes of the test (which one fits down the toilet) they are both identical.

As a side note, making your initial recording at a higher bit depth IS very useful, because it gives you dynamic headroom. It means you can set your levels lower, reducing the risk of clipping, knowing that you can amplify later on for your 16-bit mixdown. Classical music recordings have been made this way for years. Recording at 24-bit, processing at 24-bit, and dithering down to 16-bit at the end of the editing process is better than recording at 16-bit from the outset.

(Let's say I'm recording a symphony orchestra at 16 bits. Because I want to avoid clipping and I don't know precisely how loud the orchestra will play, I set my levels conservatively. At the end of the recording, I discover I have only used 12 bits - perhaps less - of dynamic range! If I go back and make the same recording at 24-bits, set my levels conservatively, at the end I may have a recording with 18 or 20 bits of dynamic range; which I can process, amplify, and dither down to 16 bits at the end giving a final result with greater dynamic range than I would have been able to achieve with my 16-bit master.)

Quite apart from all that, any competent editing software performs its calculations internally at 32-bit anyway... so all this is pointless. ;)

Much appreciated. Repped.

In quoting tangotreats, so the differences are much smaller than I thought? I'm still OCD with audio quality, though. Regardless, I kept it at the highest quality possible, despte the difference being so miniscule. I do know that converting it to 32 a second time and re-dithering sounds weird, though.

Strange, I never noticed any problems when I "bassed" up the rear channels to the Hook Blu-ray for the Ultimate War inserts....

Or when I added reverb to Star Trek IV in a similar way...

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this is what I did: Free File Hosting - Online Storage; Upload Mp3, Videos, Music. Backup Files (http://www.peejeshare.com/files/362096563/ZSOTG-LTTP-BT.zip.html)

how does it sound?

All this converting backwards and forwards is likely to be causing more trouble; dithering is another word for guessing. It is processing something so that it fits in a space it wasn't designed to fit in.

That said, if dithering 16 bit to 32 and back again sounds weird, there's either something badly wrong with your dithering algorithm or your playback software, or you're suffering from the audiophile's worst enemy, Placebo Effect. (Or, I'm misunderstanding what you're doing in which case I apologise.)

There's nothing wrong about being OCD with audio quality... I wish more people were - then perhaps we wouldn't have to many shite-sounding CDs put out by people who really should know better...

However, and I mean you no disrespect WHATSOEVER when I say this, I think that a little knowledge can sometimes be a bad thing. As humans, when we know a little bit about something we tend to fill in the blank bits with guesses; and where we don't know enough to even guess, with outright fantasy.

Welcome to the world of people who think that putting a �1,500 plastic card next to their Hi-fi will make their CDs sound better... who think that a �50,000 SP/DIF cable will give them better sound than a 50p cable... who think they need to record at silly sample rates (96khz, 192khz) when human hearing tops out around 40khz... who think that there's a difference between FLAC and WAV - never mind the maths, MY EARS ARE MORE RELIABLE THAN 1+1=2... who want a TV with 200khz refresh rate despite the fact that they're feeding it Hollywood moves at 24fps... who eschew CDs in favour of one of these (World's most expensive turntables : Bornrich (http://www.bornrich.com/entry/top-10-most-expensive-turntables/)) ridiculous turntables, and a fruity valve amplifier in order to play back distorted, poor dynamic range vinyl because it "sounds better". Etcetera, etcetera.

Being an audiophile is about knowing enough about technology to know what is meaningless and what is meaningful.

TL;DR - you're worrying about things that will affect sound quality in the same way that a missing feather from my pillow will affect the quality of my sleep. ;)

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Strange, I never noticed any problems when I "bassed" up the rear channels to the Hook Blu-ray for the Ultimate War inserts....

Or when I added reverb to Star Trek IV in a similar way...

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this is what I did: Free File Hosting - Online Storage; Upload Mp3, Videos, Music. Backup Files (http://www.peejeshare.com/files/362096563/ZSOTG-LTTP-BT.zip.html)

how does it sound?

Unnatural and boomy.

All this converting backwards and forwards is likely to be causing more trouble; dithering is another word for guessing. It is processing something so that it fits in a space it wasn't designed to fit in. Which is exactly why I'm not converting back and forth. Also, wouldn't it be better if I used a leveler, instead of a bass bosst?

There's nothing wrong about being OCD with audio quality... I wish more people were - then perhaps we wouldn't have to many shite-sounding CDs put out by people who really should know better...

However, and I mean you no disrespect WHATSOEVER when I say this, I think that a little knowledge can sometimes be a bad thing. As humans, when we know a little bit about something we tend to fill in the blank bits with guesses; and where we don't know enough to even guess, with outright fantasy.I agree.


Being an audiophile is about knowing enough about technology to know what is meaningless and what is meaningful.

TL;DR - you're worrying about things that will affect sound quality in the same way that a missing feather from my pillow will affect the quality of my sleep. ;)Okay, this is a really good example. I see your point

... go to this Mediafire Folder of mine (http://www.mediafire.com/#uis3gp6rtsz4h).

S'it just me, or does this link not go anywhere but MediaFire's homepage?

Sterling work on this, though! ^_^

S'it just me, or does this link not go anywhere but MediaFire's homepage?

Sterling work on this, though! ^_^Sterling is my middle name! And no, I'm not saying a figure of speech, Sterling literally is my middle name.
It seems to be working for me ... (http://www.mediafire.com/#uis3gp6rtsz4h)

It seems to be working for me ... (http://www.mediafire.com/#uis3gp6rtsz4h)

Not anything against you, but this url thing is really annoying me!

I can't believe I'm saying this, but can you try another U/L site? Maybe MediaFire's just being stupid...

Not anything against you, but this url thing is really annoying me!

I can't believe I'm saying this, but can you try another U/L site? Maybe MediaFire's just being stupid...

At the moment, I can't, but try these (or copy them into something like jdownloader):
LoZ25SymLA.rar (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?12bo4jlzv66utp1)
slmfn.rar (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?cn078lec96z1e0z)
The Legend of Zelda 25th Anniversary Program.zip (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?8gkxh21x9glmxoz)
The Legend of Zelda 25th Anniversary Symphony (Live) (With Introductions).zip (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?0vubz41fg9y64pd)
The Legend of Zelda 25th Anniversary Symphony (Live) (Without Introductions).zip (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?ru27h2w8r7k2zsj)
TLOZ25thASstereo.zip (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?jvjry2s8c21yaic)
Scans.rar (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?yeazw1vsq719z9v)
The Legend of Zelda Skyward Sword Piano Arrange CD (MP3).rar (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?gy84cwmyayzakl4)
The Legend of Zelda Skyward Sword Piano Arrange CD.rar (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?05sys7kdtcsul0g)
The links to my recording are in the first post, so I didn't include them here. Hopefully this helps, as I think your browser might have problems with MF folders (though even exploder had it working, last I checked.)
Also try removing the download.php part from the urls.

I will say this, though: There have been countless times I've had problems like yours, but never on MediaFire (usually involving scripts like page display and redirects). In these situations, other sites will be really stupid and give you a DL button/link and you'll click on it, nothing will happen, and the site will tell you that you reached their stupid download limit. So it could be worse... If all else fails, I'll upload these elsewhere, but I'm busy with a lot of audio right now, so I can't yet. Sorry. :(

WaitWaitWait!

I agree with you. Maybe my browser and/or stupid computer can't handle MediaFire's folders. But, when provided the actual links, it works!


(though even exploder had it working, last I checked.)

Had a good laugh with this one!

I'm glad to hear this worked for you. If you have problems with any other MediaFire folders, just tell me and I'll give you the direct links to the files.
By the way, I use the Opera browser, and sometimes Opera Turbo will make MF folders not display properly.

I'll be sure to tell you!

And nice work! Excellent audio, and in STEREO!!!

thank you!

Thanks so much again for this.

I really hope we can get a version of this without the annoying audience.

I would like to express my deepest gratitude to Link for not only his hard work for not only recording and providing us with this, but also working so hard to make it as good as he can.

I realize there are limitations to what can be done, but there are some REALLY annoying parts. Like on the Karariko Village part where for some odd reason the audience starts laughing. I'm like "WTF is so funny you tools!!?!?!?!".

Can't the people who go to these Zelda concerts please STFU for 5 minutes while the music plays?

Anyway, thanks again Link. You are a true gentlemen. I am glad to see you are not only generous with your time, but also comprehend proper codes of conduct for a concert like this.

Thanks so much again for this.

I really hope we can get a version of this without the annoying audience.

I would like to express my deepest gratitude to Link for not only his hard work for not only recording and providing us with this, but also working so hard to make it as good as he can.

I realize there are limitations to what can be done, but there are some REALLY annoying parts. Like on the Karariko Village part where for some odd reason the audience starts laughing. I'm like "WTF is so funny you tools!!?!?!?!".

Can't the people who go to these Zelda concerts please STFU for 5 minutes while the music plays?

Anyway, thanks again Link. You are a true gentlemen. I am glad to see you are not only generous with your time, but also comprehend proper codes of conduct for a concert like this.
I understand you fully. During Kakariko Village, everybody (except me) is laughing at the images on the big screen of Link being attacked by cuccoos (ALttP). Thank you for your gratitude and appreciation, as it is that which makes me do things like this in the first place.

See that is why I feel having images accompanying the music at events like this is a big mistake.

With great music like this you DONT need images playing on a screen. You just kick back and enjoy the music.

Oh and thanks again man! I wish they would do more concerts like this. We desperately need them!

See that is why I feel having images accompanying the music at events like this is a big mistake.

With great music like this you DONT need images playing on a screen. You just kick back and enjoy the music.

Oh and thanks again man! I wish they would do more concerts like this. We desperately need them!
Yeah, I know. Why is it that both the first video game symphonic poem and the first video game four-movement symphony were Zelda music? How can something so good be true?

ballad of the wind fish? it better the THE wind fish (from LA. also basically marins theme)

I just wanted to let everyone know that I'll be going to the Symphony again, so expect a possibly better recording!

Awesome

I just wanted to let everyone know that I'll be going to the Symphony again, so expect a possibly better recording!

Awesome news, although I'd say so far your current recording is already the best one on the Internet :)

I just wanted to let everyone know that I'll be going to the Symphony again, so expect a possibly better recording!

Unfortuanately the program may be slightly different.

and fortuanately the program may be slightly different.

Excellent news! Hopefully this time they play the Ocarina and Old School melodies!

Nice recording, the Majora's Mask medley is an unexpected treat. :3

Unfortuanately the program may be slightly different.

and fortuanately the program may be slightly different.

Hey, if that means more tracks, I'm happy. :D

Thank you so much for this amazing post! I saw the show last week in PA and it was phenomenal. After the show during the autograph session I asked the conductor if an official CD release was on the way. She said write Nintendo. I did. But this never goes well... it would make too much sense for NOA to do what the fans want which means this will certainly get a Japanese release, possible even as a Japanese Club Nintendo reward. In the states, we'll get a bookmark assortment or something

I was at the PA show last Friday and the announcer actually encouraged the audience to make noise. I'm not kidding. He told everyone to shout, holler, cheer, etc. Any noise that came from the crowd during the show I attended was from laughter at some of the clips (Link attacking chickens) or cheering from the music selection or video clip. It's the conversations that get me. Who comes to one of these and chats with their neighbor the whole time? That's where modern etiquette fails at shows like this or Play! I bought a front row ticket so I could hear the orchestra and not the audience. Luckily, those around me wanted to appreciate the show as well, so they were silent.

I want to sincerely thank you for putting this together. I imagine it took a lot of time and effort. I uploaded my review of last week's show to YouTube today and that short video alone took several hours to complete... this upload of yours is massive! Again, thank you again for doing what Nintendo probably will not.

Hi,
Thanks for this.
I went to see the show in Toronto...WOW it was amazing. I will gladly listen again to it.

Now that they have a program, there can be a full recording. Coming up, take 2!...

Now that they have a program, there can be a full recording. Coming up, take 2!...

Cool!

same tracks?

Cool!

same tracks?
Yes, plus "Songs of the Hero" and "Dungeons of Hyrule".

Ooooo, I like the sound of that second one! Hopefully you can get a respectful audience this time.

Can't wait for the next recording! I still listen to your first one frequently, and I really appreciate the time and effort you put into editing these to top quality!

Signed up to this forum JUST to get access to these. Went to the show in NYC last night and was just blown away! The "Song of Storms" brought tears to my eyes :) Thanks so much for posting these, such amazing quality. Can't wait for the next round :) Keep up the good work Link28469!!

Signed up to this forum JUST to get access to these. Went to the show in NYC last night and was just blown away! The "Song of Storms" brought tears to my eyes :) Thanks so much for posting these, such amazing quality. Can't wait for the next round :) Keep up the good work Link28469!!

I too just went to the New York show last night, and came back to ffshrine for the first time in over a year to see if someone here did what Nintendo would not. I salute you, Link28469. I've only just begun listening, but this is easily the best private recording of anything I've ever heard and blew away my expectations from the first few notes. Thanks a lot! Seriously.

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Now that they have a program, there can be a full recording. Coming up, take 2!...

Seriously?

God, why did I ever leave this place!?

Well, I think we all hope that Nintendo will give us a full CD of the Symphony of the Goddesses, but until then, we have this thread. :D

Yes, just keep the keywords like b.o.o.t.l.e.g. to a minimum. We don't want them to know that I am going again...

Oooh, I'm so favoriting this thread. It seems to be a really incredible work that is being done here, and I don't mean the files but the entire process that goes behind. The talk in the thread seems very interesting, am mostly posting to say hi thanks and now I have some reading to do!

i went to the show in nyc the other night, and it was great. thanks for posting this.

I will have my friend (with better seats) do it, and I will NOT dress up as Link this time, that way, they won't know it's me, and I won't have any chance of being caught. Only a few days left! Then I have Jury duty, so you'll have to wait awhile for another post from me.

For the experts here, I've 3 important questions:
1. Should I record the thing in 32 bit wav? Since audacity is going to be converting it to 32 to edit it anyway, should I just record it in 32?, or just record it in 16, have audacity convert to 32, edit, and then export back out to 16 again?

2. If I record 2 channels in 16 bit each, and 22khz each,will that result in a stereo 16 bit 22khz or a stereo 32 bit 44khz recording.
I need FAST answers!
Also, should I disable.automatic gain control (AGC)?

Maybe just go ahead and record in 32? I'm not sure.

The AGC part has got me wondering especially. BTW, I may have some bonus content for you guys!

We like bonus content!

Well that was a fun concert! Hard to say if it was better or not, though... I'll post everything as soon as I can!

Was the audience more respectful?

Glad to hear all went well! Really looking forward to this update!

When I went to the Zelda Symphony in Calgary, we got 3 encores :D

Was the audience more respectful?

Ha ha ha ha ha ...No. First of all, Jeron Moore, who pronounces everything wrong, talked on stage, and riled everyone up, so there's a lot more distraction from the audience. Also, I had to sit next to one of those "woo" fags, who got the crowd going, spoke, and even hummed at times. Also, the first chair violin lady messed up really bad on the Wind Waker song. This was one of many mistakes.
I recorded with three androids, in case one failed. One failed, but it was the most important one, so we'll still have stereo, but the left may have too much bass.
They're going to SF in June with new content, so don't worry, guys. I've got you covered.
The reason I cannot decide which one was better, was because I met a few awesome cosplayers and musicians, and there was new music.
EDIT: You guys are going to have to wait a while for this one. It sounds better on my phones than in person, surprisingly.

When I went to the Zelda Symphony in Calgary, we got 3 encores :DWe almost did, as the musicians sat down and got ready, but people started leaving too quickly.

Well, between all the recordings, you'll probably be able to get us a "definitive" version unless/until Nintendo does an actual release.

Well, between all the recordings, you'll probably be able to get us a "definitive" version unless/until Nintendo does an actual release.

Exactly! Thanks for your work

Well, between all the recordings, you'll probably be able to get us a "definitive" version unless/until Nintendo does an actual release.
Ehh... I don't know. The crowd cheered during the new pieces, too... Plus, don't forget the dumbfucks to my right.

I never understood the logic behind saying woo, anyway.

EDIT: Don't forget the bonus content, which is extra recordings.
So, since nobody answered my questions in the post on the top of this page, I'm probably going to edit the files wrong.

Hey again Link!

So glad to hear you are going back again and are once again so gracious enough to provide us with a recording.

Hopefully the audience will be more cooperative this time! I am also thrilled to hear that new tracks will be played this time! WHAT A treat!

One question: when is this new concert happening? I assume sometime in 2013?

Whatever happens thanks again for continuing to bestow such great music to us. Man, I really would like to come out and see this concert and support events like this.

I just know I would lose my composure the moment the first audience member started interrupting the music though! :)

Ehh... I don't know. The crowd cheered during the new pieces, too... Plus, don't forget the dumbfucks to my right.

I never understood the logic behind saying woo, anyway.

EDIT: Don't forget the bonus content, which is extra recordings.
So, since nobody answered my questions in the post on the top of this page, I'm probably going to edit the files wrong.

As you have the source, you can edit the files multiple times, am i right? If so, just go ahead and try what you thing its better, if you "fail" you can always do the same process cause you have the source.

Anyways, great for doing this dude. You're sort like a hero.

Hey again Link!

So glad to hear you are going back again and are once again so gracious enough to provide us with a recording.

Hopefully the audience will be more cooperative this time! I am also thrilled to hear that new tracks will be played this time! WHAT A treat!

One question: when is this new concert happening? I assume sometime in 2013?

Whatever happens thanks again for continuing to bestow such great music to us. Man, I really would like to come out and see this concert and support events like this.

I just know I would lose my composure the moment the first audience member started interrupting the music though! :)

Well, I'm not completely sure if there will be new tracks, or if they're just ones that never played at concerts I went to. Jason did say that the second time they go to a city, there should be new tracks though.
June
I'm going to edit te old one, too.

As you have the source, you can edit the files multiple times, am i right? If so, just go ahead and try what you thing its better, if you "fail" you can always do the same process cause you have the source.

Anyways, great for doing this dude. You're sort like a hero.


Yes, but that's not good enough for my OCD. Most things don't make an audible difference.

Do you guys want the recording first? Or the bonus content music first? I can also give them at the same time.

I say wait and give them both to us at once.

I say thanks for this effort anyway.

I say wait and give them both to us at once.
You got it.

Oh yeah, maybe you missed it in my previous post Link, but when is this new concert happening? I am really eager to hear some new music from these concerts.

Oh yeah, maybe you missed it in my previous post Link, but when is this new concert happening? I am really eager to hear some new music from these concerts.

Looks like you missed it in my post. It'll be in June.
Audio editing is crrently only at 2% because I'm behind on the rent. This really will take a while, but I think I have a good solution to the crowd problem. I bought a new android so I'd have two channels with minimal clipping, and one failed, so I have to use the heavily clipped plan-B channel. I hate this shit. Audacity lag... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
Good news is that it sounds good so far. The bonus stuff is from a completely different day, so it should be fine.

Great, there are split-seconds missing in the backup recording, too (just like last time).

Shame that one of the androids crapped out. :(

Shame that one of the androids crapped out. :(

Yeah, it just shut off, wouldn't turn on, and corrupted the file.

Jeron Moore, who pronounces everything wrong.

LOL

Jeron Moore, who pronounces everything wrong.
LOL He got a lot wrong, like Gerudo, Ocarina, Koji Kondo, Eimear Noone (come on, he's touring with her,: he should know how to say her name), rupees, and he said heart potion. There were worse ones, too. I'll try and remember them all if I can.
You'd think he'd get it right by now.

Heck, you'd think he'd get it right after working with ZREO for all this time. Personally, I blame him for the delay with Twilight Symphony. Nintendo probably learned about it through him and had to get their fingers all over the project.

Heck, you'd think he'd get it right after working with ZREO for all this time. Personally, I blame him for the delay with Twilight Symphony. Nintendo probably learned about it through him and had to get their fingers all over the project.Yeah, he's pretty good at screwing things up.

Still, not the reason for going to a concert. I just hope that Nintendo will one day put the concert on CD, but until then, we have your awesome recordings.

Looks like you missed it in my post. It'll be in June.
Audio editing is crrently only at 2% because I'm behind on the rent. This really will take a while, but I think I have a good solution to the crowd problem. I bought a new android so I'd have two channels with minimal clipping, and one failed, so I have to use the heavily clipped plan-B channel. I hate this shit. Audacity lag... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
Good news is that it sounds good so far. The bonus stuff is from a completely different day, so it should be fine.

Great, there are split-seconds missing in the backup recording, too (just like last time).

Whoops! Yeah, I missed it! Sorry man! However, I am really glad to hear you are working so hard on the recording end of this. Thanks for all the hard work and dedication.

Its such a friggin shame Nintendo won't put out a release for this! Seems like something so obvious.

Thanks for your work!

Thank you for this! I was at that SF show, as well as the more recent one in San Jose. Such an amazing concert tour! The audience is f-ing terrible every time, though. If it were anything other than videogame related music, half of them would be escorted from the concert hall immediately. Good luck at the next show...

Thank you for this! I was at that SF show, as well as the more recent one in San Jose. Such an amazing concert tour! The audience is f-ing terrible every time, though. If it were anything other than videogame related music, half of them would be escorted from the concert hall immediately. Good luck at the next show...

As I've said, I went to see Star Wars In Concert a few years back in Oklahoma City and the only times the audience laughed was when Anthony Daniels was introducing the next part, especially when he was extolling the virtues of See-Threepio and got a look from the conductor.

I think the link to your Mediafire folder is faulty. I had to change the pound symbol # in the URL to a question mark to get into your folder.

Correct link:

My Files (http://www.mediafire.com/?uis3gp6rtsz4h#myfiles)

The link to your Mediafire folder isn't working, Link28469. I had to replace the # symbol in the link with a question mark to get it to work.

Working link:

My Files (http://www.mediafire.com/?uis3gp6rtsz4h#myfiles)

Any updates on the version you were working with? Or are you planning on waiting until this summer?

Beautiful versions!!

Thanks!!

Thanks a lot to the uploader for this great effort. It's a surprise that Nintendo never released a cd of this concert, expecially since Zelda merchandise sells like hotcakes (just take the History of Zelda book's great success all over the world for example).

Now as about all these obnoxious audients that confuse live, symphony concerts with the concerts of their favourite rock/pop/heavy metal band it reminds me all these @#$%^&*! who won't shut up at the cinema theaters while the movie is playing and don't turn off their mobile phones and instead they ring they pick them up. Hey @#$%^&*! Have you read by any chance the sign(s) and the screen warnings about turning off the @#$%^&*! phone? HAVE YOU? If not, don't be surprised if I start calling names on you for being such a huge @#$%^&*!

Just to let you know Chad Seiter has posted three unreleased tracks from the symphony on soundcloud.

Just to let you know Chad Seiter has posted three unreleased tracks from the symphony on soundcloud.

Awesome! Could you link to these on his Soundcloud?

https://soundcloud.com/chadseiter/sets/symphony-of-the-goddesses
http://en.packupload.com/61575YA4Y8V

Three tracks are officially unreleased, and the others could be different recordings (same arrangments though) of the tracks on the official CD.

https://soundcloud.com/chadseiter/sets/symphony-of-the-goddesses

Three tracks are officially unreleased, and the others could be different recordings (same arrangments though) of the tracks on the official CD.

Darn, I can't seem to access them, he might've removed them. :/


EDIT: Nevermind, I wasn't logged in. Thanks Faleel!

I will upload them to Packupload then.

Done: http://en.packupload.com/61575YA4Y8V

Exactly; this concert is promoted by the same joker who is ZREO's PR guy. That tells you everything you need to know. He's more interested in putting on a show than in quality and dignity.

If this were my show...

a) One orchestrator - a competent one (goodbye, Chad Seiter) for the whole programme. The piece would be a genuine symphony based on Zelda themes. Not a fluffy orchestral medley.
b) A video screen which displays textual information ONLY and during the music, detail of the piece currently playing and a message reminding the audience that quiet is necessary.
c) I would promote the series as a classical event; a way in to classical music for Zelda fans - not as a mosh pit with French horns and clarinets.
d) The conductor would announce at the beginning of the concert a few ground rules for appropriate behaviour; "Thank you for your patronage ladies and gentlemen - for those of you who have not been to an orchestral concert before, it is customary to... etc, etc, etc - and we would appreciate it if you didn't... etc, etc, etc - as it makes it difficult for us to concentrate and is considered disrespectful. Thank you very much, and enjoy the concert."

In other words, we would be talking about a prestigious event; something befitting the 25th Anniversary of a well-loved franchise.

Awwwww... don't be hatin'!

I look forward to seeing your show! Let me know who your financier is, because I'd love to work with them if they let you do a show like that! Otherwise, I'm happy to help you put the budgets together! Although, you may want somebody a little more competent... :)

Thank you!!!!! it sounds awesome!

Too bad I couldn't pen an arrangement for the Zelda concerts... I would probably do what Valtonen did and make it more classical sounding with a hint of contemporary leanings. I believe orchestrations should not only make sure the themes arranged are recognizable but also expand upon the original. For example, Shiro Hamaguchi took Uematsu's music and highlighted the melodies and added more passages with equal catchy melodies and a lushness that further compliments what Uematsu wrote.

Too bad I couldn't pen an arrangement for the Zelda concerts... I would probably do what Valtonen did and make it more classical sounding with a hint of contemporary leanings. I believe orchestrations should not only make sure the themes arranged are recognizable but also expand upon the original. For example, Shiro Hamaguchi took Uematsu's music and highlighted the melodies and added more passages with equal catchy melodies and a lushness that further compliments what Uematsu wrote.I have some stuff written down, but it'll take me a while to finish it. I'm a composer and arranger, so sometimes ideas just com to me. I actually hear the arrangements in my head, and I just have to write it down.

What program do you use to write music? I use Sibelius for concert work, but I use my EastWest Quantum Leap libraries and Sonar to write most of my work. Here is my Soundcloud page. I have a few arrangements and remastered pieces, but it is mostly original work.

https://soundcloud.com/josh-barron

He got a lot wrong, like Gerudo, Ocarina, Koji Kondo, Eimear Noone (come on, he's touring with her,: he should know how to say her name), rupees, and he said heart potion. There were worse ones, too. I'll try and remember them all if I can.
You'd think he'd get it right by now.

Ha, okay. Well. I would never say "heart potion". Srsly? And as far as I know, there's only one way to say "rupee" -- though I don't recall ever using that in the context of my presentation.

As for E�mear, she's a friend and colleague. Of course I know how to pronounce her name. I've never pronounced it incorrectly.

Heck, you'd think he'd get it right after working with ZREO for all this time. Personally, I blame him for the delay with Twilight Symphony. Nintendo probably learned about it through him and had to get their fingers all over the project.


Yeah, he's pretty good at screwing things up.

I'm really sorry you both feel that way. You both seem pretty quick to judge, choosing to base your opinions on pure speculation rather than fact (re: both SotG and ZREO, two entirely unrelated projects, one of which I served only in an advisory capacity).

It's clear that you guys are fans. But, for two people who have so many harsh criticisms about our work and hard efforts to bring Zelda into concert halls, why go to so much trouble reproducing recordings of the concert?

Link28469, rather than be unnecessarily harsh and mean-spirited about my presentation (which, btw - this thread makes more false claims than I can count), you could alternatively get in touch and offer some constructive suggestions on how I can make it better. Try reaching out. I'm not beyond reproach. I'm a human being, just like you, and this show has been a huge labor of love, and reflects my passion for the franchise.

Despite your complaints, I hope you'll join us for Second Quest this year. We've got some cool new additions lined up.

Jeron

Despite your complaints, I hope you'll join us for Second Quest this year. We've got some cool new additions lined up.

Jeron

Will you be able to put up any more recordings of the unreleased additions? I remember in an interview with Nintendo Power awhile ago, the subject of a second CD was possible, but there was nothing in the cards at the moment...

I'm really sorry you both feel that way. You both seem pretty quick to judge, choosing to base your opinions on pure speculation rather than fact (re: both SotG and ZREO, two entirely unrelated projects, one of which I served only in an advisory capacity).

It's clear that you guys are fans. But, for two people who have so many harsh criticisms about our work and hard efforts to bring Zelda into concert halls, why go to so much trouble reproducing recordings of the concert?

Link28469, rather than be unnecessarily harsh and mean-spirited about my presentation (which, btw - this thread makes more false claims than I can count), you could alternatively get in touch and offer some constructive suggestions on how I can make it better. Try reaching out. I'm not beyond reproach. I'm a human being, just like you, and this show has been a huge labor of love, and reflects my passion for the franchise.

Despite your complaints, I hope you'll join us for Second Quest this year. We've got some cool new additions lined up.

JeronI'm sorry.
I just don't like it when the crowd gets riled up and cheers in the best part of a song (like clock town, or temple).
Yeah, I realized after saying that, that it wasn't actually your fault, and that it was just the audience in general(which is still posting blame on others, though I don't forgive the guy I sat next to). After the closing of ZREO, I started to appreciate you more. I also respect the fact that you are producer and the creative director of SotG. I will refrain from speaking out of jealousy any further. Now, As I am no longer wanting to pirate your music with recordings(as stated before), I will simply ask you this: Is it okay with you if I record the second season, or not? Your answer will determine the outcome. Also, are you guys going to try and release the unreleased music on CDs? Do you even know yet? What about the unreleased music from the 25th Anniversary concert?
One more question: If you don't commercially release it, could you at least provide it to the public for free? I'd pay any amount for it, though.

Anyway, yes I'm a fan, I've been a Zelda fan since I was a baby, and I find it hard to find those with fandom comparable to mine, as I revolve my life around Zelda. Despite that, there are fans like you who get greater opportunities, those which I'd die for. I'd love to get in touch with you. I've always got ideas. I'm usually a pretty nice guy, but I've left you with a bad first impression. Anyway, disregard all I said that was bad about you, if possible. I was annoyed about one small detail, and stupidly tried to exaggerate it and post blame on you, which was unnecessary. I was driven to write about my annoyances (such as the guy I sat next to, and factored everything into everyone's fault. This is not like me usually, but I just got irritated because symphonies usually have a certain etiquette to them.I apologize.


Ha, okay. Well. I would never say "heart potion". Srsly? And as far as I know, there's only one way to say "rupee" -- though I don't recall ever using that in the context of my presentation.

As for E�mear, she's a friend and colleague. Of course I know how to pronounce her name. I've never pronounced it incorrectly.

I feel so bad that you're seeing this thread. I thought that would never happen. Anyway I remember you saying Gerudo wrong, and something else. I'm over it now. This music wouldn't exist if it weren't from you.
Oh, and for the record, I am not kissing ass in this post, I just never thought to change what I wrote, as I expected you wouldn't see it. I do actually feel bad.

I'm really sorry you both feel that way. You both seem pretty quick to judge, choosing to base your opinions on pure speculation rather than fact (re: both SotG and ZREO, two entirely unrelated projects, one of which I served only in an advisory capacity).

It's clear that you guys are fans. But, for two people who have so many harsh criticisms about our work and hard efforts to bring Zelda into concert halls, why go to so much trouble reproducing recordings of the concert?

Link28469, rather than be unnecessarily harsh and mean-spirited about my presentation (which, btw - this thread makes more false claims than I can count), you could alternatively get in touch and offer some constructive suggestions on how I can make it better. Try reaching out. I'm not beyond reproach. I'm a human being, just like you, and this show has been a huge labor of love, and reflects my passion for the franchise.

Despite your complaints, I hope you'll join us for Second Quest this year. We've got some cool new additions lined up.

Jeron

Hey Jeron. I'm thankful for all your help in bringing Zelda music to orchestra halls. My biggest gripe with this project is a lack of a complete recordings release, although I'm not sure how much sway you have in that.

Also I completely sympathize with Link in that going to game music concerts are usually not the experiences they should be. It's just frustrating to go to one of these shows to hear this great music performed beautifully and hear it drowned out by people whooping and screaming in the audience. I sound like an old man, but it's just not what I expect when I go see an orchestra perform. I go to a lot of rock shows and I'm all about the audience being nuts there. It really adds to the experience, but it doesn't take away from the music but the music is way louder than the enthused concert goers. This isn't the case with acoustic music, though. Unlike Link, I wouldn't place the blame completely on the audience though. The whole projector thing is just encouraging this behavior. And even if it didn't, it detracts from the music. Why does it matter that piece X was played in game Y? Can't you just list these things in the program anyway instead of relying on visual recognition? Isn't the point of this project to take the music out of the context of the videogames and let it take on a form of its own?

I do dig Seiter's arrangements a bunch (I'm not sure if I'm in the majority or the minority on that around here?). His cinematic style is a nice middle ground between a straight orchestration and the sometimes-too-sprawling classical arrangements the crew that did Symphonic Fantasies and Symphonic Legends do. It strongly appeals to the kid who grew up listening to John Williams and Jerry Goldsmith in me. I do wish, though, that instead of covering one game in a one suite he would cover a game in maybe two or three suites to allow thematic material more build up and more tension and release. I understand that the more popular "important" themes often get their own arrangement, but so much great material from Link's Awakening and Majora's Mask aren't being covered at all.

I should be at the Grand Rapids show this fall. I'm looking forward to it.

I think the screen thing, is for a emotional connection, as if it was a isolated score for a film etc?

I think the screen thing, is for a emotional connection, as if it was a isolated score for a film etc?

For that and to inform the concert goer which piece came from where. I think it takes away more from the show than it adds to it.

I disagree, I really liked the projection, but then again I don't mind MINOR crowd noise, a small applause. It's when you get certain people and it seems there is always one person who just yells BS randomly. I think what we all really want is just a 2nd CD release.

PS: I went to the 1st Dallas show with my sister and we loved it btw :D

I disagree, I really liked the projection, but then again I don't mind MINOR crowd noise, a small applause. It's when you get certain people and it seems there is always one person who just yells BS randomly. I think what we all really want is just a 2nd CD release.

PS: I went to the 1st Dallas show with my sister and we loved it btw :D
Yes, projection is a must. They should just applaud like symphony goers do during a piece: feet shuffling. It's nearly inaudible.

I'm sorry.
I just don't like it when the crowd gets riled up and cheers in the best part of a song (like clock town, or temple).
Yeah, I realized after saying that, that it wasn't actually your fault, and that it was just the audience in general(which is still posting blame on others, though I don't forgive the guy I sat next to). After the closing of ZREO, I started to appreciate you more. I also respect the fact that you are producer and the creative director of SotG. I will refrain from speaking out of jealousy any further. Now, As I am no longer wanting to pirate your music with recordings(as stated before), I will simply ask you this: Is it okay with you if I record the second season, or not? Your answer will determine the outcome. Also, are you guys going to try and release the unreleased music on CDs? Do you even know yet? What about the unreleased music from the 25th Anniversary concert? One more question: If you don't commercially release it, could you at least provide it to the public for free? I'd pay any amount for it, though.

Whether you record the show or not, that's really not my permission to give. Every orchestra and venue has a different set of rules, though generally if you're bringing in an audio recorder of any sort, you're capturing the performances of AFM musicians who usually are paid for recordings of said performances. I know it's not what you want to hear, but when you record an orchestra's performance, and make it available to others, you are in essence stealing the part of the work that belongs to them: their individual performance. Usually when a CD recording is made, a buyout or usage deal is struck with the orchestra that in effect grants permission for it to exist on a phonograph recording.


Anyway, yes I'm a fan, I've been a Zelda fan since I was a baby, and I find it hard to find those with fandom comparable to mine, as I revolve my life around Zelda. Despite that, there are fans like you who get greater opportunities, those which I'd die for. I'd love to get in touch with you. I've always got ideas. I'm usually a pretty nice guy, but I've left you with a bad first impression. Anyway, disregard all I said that was bad about you, if possible. I was annoyed about one small detail, and stupidly tried to exaggerate it and post blame on you, which was unnecessary. I was driven to write about my annoyances (such as the guy I sat next to, and factored everything into everyone's fault. This is not like me usually, but I just got irritated because symphonies usually have a certain etiquette to them.I apologize.

I've been a Zelda fan since I was 6 -- when the original game came out. Have been playing ever since. I created the show because I'm passionate about the franchise, was in a unique position to encourage and influence its creation, and felt like it needed to happen, as it was sadly a franchise that hadn't received this kind of treatment before (and was by far one of the most deserving). As a fan, I knew it would have been something I would have loved to go and see. And so, with a bit of luck, and quite a bit of enthusiasm from Nintendo, here we are. I would say overall it has been a great thing for those who love The Legend of Zelda, as well as those who are just now discovering both it and orchestra music.


I feel so bad that you're seeing this thread. I thought that would never happen. Anyway I remember you saying Gerudo wrong, and something else. I'm over it now. This music wouldn't exist if it weren't from you.
Oh, and for the record, I am not kissing ass in this post, I just never thought to change what I wrote, as I expected you wouldn't see it. I do actually feel bad.

Google Alerts. I pretty much see everything that gets posted re: SotG, or whenever my name is mentioned.

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Hey Jeron. I'm thankful for all your help in bringing Zelda music to orchestra halls. My biggest gripe with this project is a lack of a complete recordings release, although I'm not sure how much sway you have in that.

Thanks, I appreciate the acknowledgement. And I feel you on your gripe, man. I'd love nothing more than for an album to be made available for purchase. I helped to produce the 25th Anniversary Symphony audio CD that shipped w/ Skyward Sword, and we felt it was really important to get that out there in the very least -- though what we were permitted to include on that disc was dictated by Nintendo. Believe me, I am ready to do a Symphony of the Goddesses album -- more than anyone. But, the permission ultimately lies with Nintendo, and they have not granted permission for us to move forward with that. All I can say is keep sending your requests and desires their way. Nintendo is the boss! Gotta respect their wishes. It is only by their grace that a concert series dedicated to this great franchise even exists; without their direct involvement and support, it would not have been possible.


Also I completely sympathize with Link in that going to game music concerts are usually not the experiences they should be. It's just frustrating to go to one of these shows to hear this great music performed beautifully and hear it drowned out by people whooping and screaming in the audience. I sound like an old man, but it's just not what I expect when I go see an orchestra perform. I go to a lot of rock shows and I'm all about the audience being nuts there. It really adds to the experience, but it doesn't take away from the music but the music is way louder than the enthused concert goers. This isn't the case with acoustic music, though. Unlike Link, I wouldn't place the blame completely on the audience though. The whole projector thing is just encouraging this behavior. And even if it didn't, it detracts from the music. Why does it matter that piece X was played in game Y? Can't you just list these things in the program anyway instead of relying on visual recognition? Isn't the point of this project to take the music out of the context of the videogames and let it take on a form of its own?

It's a sad reality, but the symphony concert-going crowd is dwindling, very quickly, in dramatic numbers. The audience who'll come see a concert like this generally have not been to an orchestral performance prior. It's crazy, but it's true. Those who appreciate a good old fashioned, well-behaved performance environment (like you and Link28469) represent a small percentage. I actually take a lot of pride in the visual presentation; I edited most of what you're seeing myself. I'm a film graduate, and if anything, seeing the footage projected as a live orchestra performs against it is almost like seeing a childhood dream come to life. Faleel and Ceej have the right idea - it's about emotional connection. It's not really to inform the listener so much as it's supposed to recap the stories with high emotional impact. And sure, it gets people involved in the performance -- perhaps a bit too much. :) But, I think what we gain, in terms of getting a whole new audience into the concert hall, far outweighs the complaints about the audience being too loud. You'd be surprised at how excited the orchestras are about receiving that kind of attention. They love it. They love seeing the enthusiasm on our young audience's faces, and knowing that they've some how communicated a new experience to this audience that wouldn't have experienced it otherwise.


I do dig Seiter's arrangements a bunch (I'm not sure if I'm in the majority or the minority on that around here?). His cinematic style is a nice middle ground between a straight orchestration and the sometimes-too-sprawling classical arrangements the crew that did Symphonic Fantasies and Symphonic Legends do. It strongly appeals to the kid who grew up listening to John Williams and Jerry Goldsmith in me. I do wish, though, that instead of covering one game in a one suite he would cover a game in maybe two or three suites to allow thematic material more build up and more tension and release. I understand that the more popular "important" themes often get their own arrangement, but so much great material from Link's Awakening and Majora's Mask aren't being covered at all.

Chad and I are both huge Jerry Goldsmith fans. I actually had the rare privilege of being able to attend several of Jerry's last recording sessions before he passed away (for the films The Last Castle, The Sum of All Fears, and Looney Tunes: Back in Action). He was definitely one of my film music idols growing up, if not the biggest, and so you can imagine how special that was for me. It so happens that Kondo-san's melodies really lend themselves to his cinematic style. Of course, Chad has a strong musical personality of his own, and a lot of that shines through as well.

That said, I can understand your complaints about the program, but a lot of thought has gone into what we feature. We've maxed out what we can do in terms of time on stage -- and in order to sell tickets, its extremely important that we appeal to as large of an audience as possible -- that includes Zelda fans both new and old. If budget wasn't a factor and we were able to produce an epic multi-part concert, believe me, the presentation would be extremely comprehensive. Unfortunately, in order for this concert to be possible at all, we had to make some tough decisions, and what's on the set list is the result of a lot of careful and thoughtful consideration, developed over the course of an entire year before anyone ever knew this was going to be a thing.


I should be at the Grand Rapids show this fall. I'm looking forward to it.

Hope to see you there, please introduce yourself if you see me. Hope you can make it to one of the Second Quest (Season 2) shows -- I think you'll be pleased with some of our new content, particularly with regard to what you said about Link's Awakening.

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PS: I went to the 1st Dallas show with my sister and we loved it btw :D

Thanks Ceej! My hometown. It was so much fun doing the world premiere there, with my family and friends in attendance. My father is getting older and isn't doing too well; I think it was really special for him to see a project I had a hand in, received by an audience with such enthusiasm. Good memories.

Whether you record the show or not, that's really not my permission to give. Every orchestra and venue has a different set of rules, though generally if you're bringing in an audio recorder of any sort, you're capturing the performances of AFM musicians who usually are paid for recordings of said performances. I know it's not what you want to hear, but when you record an orchestra's performance, and make it available to others, you are in essence stealing the part of the work that belongs to them: their individual performance. Usually when a CD recording is made, a buyout or usage deal is struck with the orchestra that in effect grants permission for it to exist on a phonograph recording.Well, it sounds like I should just not do it, then. What about the links that are already posted?

I've been a Zelda fan since I was 6 -- when the original game came out. Have been playing ever since. I created the show because I'm passionate about the franchise, was in a unique position to encourage and influence its creation, and felt like it needed to happen, as it was sadly a franchise that hadn't received this kind of treatment before (and was by far one of the most deserving). As a fan, I knew it would have been something I would have loved to go and see. And so, with a bit of luck, and quite a bit of enthusiasm from Nintendo, here we are. I would say overall it has been a great thing for those who love The Legend of Zelda, as well as those who are just now discovering both it and orchestra music.
I'm glad you did.


Google Alerts. I pretty much see everything that gets posted re: SotG, or whenever my name is mentioned.Didn't know that existed

Thanks, I appreciate the acknowledgement. And I feel you on your gripe, man. I'd love nothing more than for an album to be made available for purchase. I helped to produce the 25th Anniversary Symphony audio CD that shipped w/ Skyward Sword, and we felt it was really important to get that out there in the very least -- though what we were permitted to include on that disc was dictated by Nintendo. Believe me, I am ready to do a Symphony of the Goddesses album -- more than anyone. But, the permission ultimately lies with Nintendo, and they have not granted permission for us to move forward with that. All I can say is keep sending your requests and desires their way. Nintendo is the boss! Gotta respect their wishes. It is only by their grace that a concert series dedicated to this great franchise even exists; without their direct involvement and support, it would not have been possible.Yeah, they haven't been doing much with CDs for the last few years.

It's a sad reality, but the symphony concert-going crowd is dwindling, very quickly, in dramatic numbers. The audience who'll come see a concert like this generally have not been to an orchestral performance prior. It's crazy, but it's true. Those who appreciate a good old fashioned, well-behaved performance environment (like you and Link28469) represent a small percentage. I actually take a lot of pride in the visual presentation; I edited most of what you're seeing myself. I'm a film graduate, and if anything, seeing the footage projected as a live orchestra performs against it is almost like seeing a childhood dream come to life. Faleel and Ceej have the right idea - it's about emotional connection. It's not really to inform the listener so much as it's supposed to recap the stories with high emotional impact. And sure, it gets people involved in the performance -- perhaps a bit too much. :) But, I think what we gain, in terms of getting a whole new audience into the concert hall, far outweighs the complaints about the audience being too loud. You'd be surprised at how excited the orchestras are about receiving that kind of attention. They love it. They love seeing the enthusiasm on our young audience's faces, and knowing that they've some how communicated a new experience to this audience that wouldn't have experienced it otherwise.At lest I'm bringing 12 people.

Chad and I are both huge Jerry Goldsmith fans. I actually had the rare privilege of being able to attend several of Jerry's last recording sessions before he passed away (for the films The Last Castle, The Sum of All Fears, and Looney Tunes: Back in Action). He was definitely one of my film music idols growing up, if not the biggest, and so you can imagine how special that was for me. It so happens that Kondo-san's melodies really lend themselves to his cinematic style. Of course, Chad has a strong musical personality of his own, and a lot of that shines through as well.

That said, I can understand your complaints about the program, but a lot of thought has gone into what we feature. We've maxed out what we can do in terms of time on stage -- and in order to sell tickets, its extremely important that we appeal to as large of an audience as possible -- that includes Zelda fans both new and old. If budget wasn't a factor and we were able to produce an epic multi-part concert, believe me, the presentation would be extremely comprehensive. Unfortunately, in order for this concert to be possible at all, we had to make some tough decisions, and what's on the set list is the result of a lot of careful and thoughtful consideration, developed over the course of an entire year before anyone ever knew this was going to be a thing.
I can't complain. Chad's arrangements are the best music in the world to me. And yes, Jerry is awesome.

Hope to see you there, please introduce yourself if you see me. Hope you can make it to one of the Second Quest (Season 2) shows -- I think you'll be pleased with some of our new content, particularly with regard to what you said about Link's Awakening.
I actually said "Hi, Jeron" to you back in SJ.




My father is getting older and isn't doing too well; I think it was really special for him to see a project I had a hand in, received by an audience with such enthusiasm. Good memories.That's nice to hear!

I actually said "Hi, Jeron" to you back in SJ.


Really? Oops. The San Jose show went by in a flash. About all I remember was the Pho place down the street where I had dinner the night before. Haha. Now that we've had a chance to establish a rapport, the next time you have the opportunity to say hi, please do, and remind me that you're Link28469 from FFShrine. That'll jog my memory! :)

Awwwww... don't be hatin'!

I look forward to seeing your show! Let me know who your financier is, because I'd love to work with them if they let you do a show like that! Otherwise, I'm happy to help you put the budgets together! Although, you may want somebody a little more competent... :)

Delayed reaction, and not sure if sarcasm... but on the off-chance that it wasn't... I am obviously not so naive as to believe such a show would ever take place - not in the West, anyway... because money is the bottom line and, being a business, the promoters will always relax standards and lower the common denominator if it brings in more money. Facts; sad facts, disappointing facts, but facts nonetheless. Taking a comparatively uncultured audience and giving them entertainment, education, and cultural enrichment is, by and large, not financially viable. These days, good enough really is good enough. My fantasy concert can never happen. I can only fantasise; an experience built from the ground up with quality and dignity at the forefront... a mission statement to produce something genuinely great and stir up natural instincts in fans of Zelda, and at the same time give them a window into experiencing the miraculous things that good music can do. Helping a generation of young people discover orchestral and classical music through their own recreational interests, at a time where standards are dropping, costs are sky-rocketing, and the mainstream exposure to good music is at an all-time low.

I was introduced into classical music by people who knew more about it than I did; but instead of lowering the tone to fit my experience, they made me feel comfortable, instilled a sense of respect for the artform, and allowed the greatness of music to appeal to me naturally. I was scared that I didn't know enough and that classical music was snobby and inaccessible. Then I got to experience it - with no compromises - and I began to understand. Getting a ten year-old kid into a symphony hall is not an easy undertaking... I'm sure the Zelda event would've been easier for me as it was less challenging and more familiar... but I don't think the long term benefits would have been anywhere near as significant. I expect I would've come out thinking "That was fun! I wonder what's for dinner?" rather than "OK, that's changed my life. A lifelong passion for music began this day."

I'm sure that if nothing else we can agree that those are laudable aims.

Running a Zelda concert with a Glastonbury mentality, with unruly, disrespectful audiences and missed musical opportunities does nothing to further the artform and is an affront to the intelligence of humans (who, I don't doubt, welcome the opportunity to learn and discover new things; all the better if their "route in" is through a mainstream medium they're passionate about - games, for example) as well as to the music itself.

Nevertheless, I offer my unreserved apologies for any personal offence I have undoubtedly caused with my careless words... There's constructive criticism, and there's being stuck up, arrogant, and rude... and I've absolutely been guilty of the latter. It's a wonderful thing that promoters and musicians are interested in what their audiences want... and speaks volumes that they're even prepared to engage in dialogue with miserable bastards like me... and for me to be throwing around the adjectives with abandon... it's sticking two fingers up at hard working and talented people. Gentlemen, I am sorry.

tango, why are you so good with words?
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I'm really sorry you both feel that way. You both seem pretty quick to judge, choosing to base your opinions on pure speculation rather than fact (re: both SotG and ZREO, two entirely unrelated projects, one of which I served only in an advisory capacity).

It's clear that you guys are fans. But, for two people who have so many harsh criticisms about our work and hard efforts to bring Zelda into concert halls, why go to so much trouble reproducing recordings of the concert?

Link28469, rather than be unnecessarily harsh and mean-spirited about my presentation (which, btw - this thread makes more false claims than I can count), you could alternatively get in touch and offer some constructive suggestions on how I can make it better. Try reaching out. I'm not beyond reproach. I'm a human being, just like you, and this show has been a huge labor of love, and reflects my passion for the franchise.

Despite your complaints, I hope you'll join us for Second Quest this year. We've got some cool new additions lined up.

Jeron
Wow Jeron...I actually feel really bad now. To be honest, the entire debacle surrounding Twilight Symphony just left me feeling really bittersweet about the whole experience. Things seemed to be going great for ZREO up until Nintendo became involved and then it just seemed to fall downhill. I'm glad that they acknowledged the torrents out there so that people who didn't donate like I did could still get the music, but I wish they had been able to put the album up on iTunes or whatever like they originally planned. And then the fact that ZREO shut down after Twilight Symphony, with a ton of Zelda music still left un-reorchestrated...it just left me feeling really sad about the whole thing. :( I meant no actual offense to you Jeron, and I hope that Nintendo comes to their senses and allows you to help produce a CD of all the great music Symphony of the Goddesses has brought. I know I'll buy it day one.

I guess that new concert is coming up soon.

Looking forward to it.

I wish I could attend one of these.

I recommend someone else record the concert, as I don't want any trouble. I can still do editing, though.

Well, change of plans. My friends want me to go with them to the LA one, so that will happen on the 12th. This will be cool because I haven't seen them in a while, and I've never been to the Greek Theater. Remember guys, Jeron suggested that I not record anymore, and I'm listening to this. You guys can if you want, though.

Different subject matter, but when Doctor Who goes to the BBC Proms every other year and performs the score to the last two series, people cheer and applaud for various reasons. Whether it be the main theme tune, appearances on stage or on-screen, sentences of music that people hold dear like the theme of Gallifrey or a regeneration. People's emotive reactions are not to stay stoney silent and observe like people at a Zoo or Museum.

Yes for recording purposes it's infuriating, but then we aren't the people who paid to go and do as we pleased at the venue itself.

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...but I wish they had been able to put the album up on iTunes or whatever like they originally planned. And then the fact that ZREO shut down after Twilight Symphony, with a ton of Zelda music still left un-reorchestrated...it just left me feeling really sad about the whole thing. :(

I do agree about this for Zelda Reorchestrated, it is a huge shame that some Zelda games are left incomplete. I was hugely looking forward to the main field theme of Spirit Tracks for example. And whether there'd have been a soundscape version that included the train rhythm etc. Would have adored it.

I recommend someone else record the concert, as I don't want any trouble. I can still do editing, though.

Hello, my name is Victor and I've been a lifelong fan of Zelda and longtime lurker in this forum, where I've had the chance to listen to fantastic music otherwise inaccessible to me, not the least of which are the incredible recordings of the Symphony of Goddess concert you have recorded and edited.

As a citizen of a sub-developed country (Brazil), it is unfortunately not viable for me to attend the concert in person (although that would be a dream come true). Financial issues aside (I'm an 19 year old, currently attending a federal university under scholarship and thus unable to get a paying job), and a near impossibility of acquiring a US tourist visa (not only does it cost 150 U$ to schedule for it in the consulate, it is also incredibly hard to secure as a young unemployed person - had it denied twice myself).

As such, your recordings and numerous Youtube videos of these concerts are the only fragments I'll ever experience of what's probably the single most meaningful event in my life as a Zelda fan. Even if I can not be present in person, it is your work, and of those who make recordings who make it possible for people like me, who have not the means or opportunities to attend the concerts on their own able to at least endeavor to imagine and appreciate the artistic grandiosity of such an event. (I ever dread the day the tour will be over, forever robbing me of the fleeting dream of attending, since it seems unlikely they would tour other countries other than the US and the UK).

Thus, while I respect your decision to no longer record the concerts (which is a shame as your recordings had a much better quality than most youtube videos and the likes you can still find), I urge you, if you have the time and motivation, to please employ your impressive editing and production skills into rendering existing recordings into a closer semblance of what it must have been to hear the wondrous music of Zelda played with a real ensemble in front your own eyes. I can try to provide you with links to the recordings of others if you choose to undertake such a project, although I am certain you would have no difficulty in locating them yourself.

Alas, I end my rant, with a plea that if you or any others who have sufficient editing skill would please consider providing a reasonable recording of this concert, in lieu of an official release (which we can only hope will see the light of day) that would be immensely appreciated. =)

Thank you all for your time and attention, and please excuse any grammatical errors (although I've attempted to revise this, English is not my native language).

Hello, my name is Victor and I've been a lifelong fan of Zelda and longtime lurker in this forum, where I've had the chance to listen to fantastic music otherwise inaccessible to me, not the least of which are the incredible recordings of the Symphony of Goddess concert you have recorded and edited.

As a citizen of a sub-developed country (Brazil), it is unfortunately not viable for me to attend the concert in person (although that would be a dream come true). Financial issues aside (I'm an 19 year old, currently attending a federal university under scholarship and thus unable to get a paying job), and a near impossibility of acquiring a US tourist visa (not only does it cost 150 U$ to schedule for it in the consulate, it is also incredibly hard to secure as a young unemployed person - had it denied twice myself).

As such, your recordings and numerous Youtube videos of these concerts are the only fragments I'll ever experience of what's probably the single most meaningful event in my life as a Zelda fan. Even if I can not be present in person, it is your work, and of those who make recordings who make it possible for people like me, who have not the means or opportunities to attend the concerts on their own able to at least endeavor to imagine and appreciate the artistic grandiosity of such an event. (I ever dread the day the tour will be over, forever robbing me of the fleeting dream of attending, since it seems unlikely they would tour other countries other than the US and the UK).

Thus, while I respect your decision to no longer record the concerts (which is a shame as your recordings had a much better quality than most youtube videos and the likes you can still find), I urge you, if you have the time and motivation, to please employ your impressive editing and production skills into rendering existing recordings into a closer semblance of what it must have been to hear the wondrous music of Zelda played with a real ensemble in front your own eyes. I can try to provide you with links to the recordings of others if you choose to undertake such a project, although I am certain you would have no difficulty in locating them yourself.

Alas, I end my rant, with a plea that if you or any others who have sufficient editing skill would please consider providing a reasonable recording of this concert, in lieu of an official release (which we can only hope will see the light of day) that would be immensely appreciated. =)

Thank you all for your time and attention, and please excuse any grammatical errors (although I've attempted to revise this, English is not my native language).
Yes, point m toward these. Send me a PM.

Link28 .. thanks broheem

Y'know I went to a Final Fantasy XI Concert at UC Berkeley's Zellerbach Hall in late 2012 (Wow time's really flying again ..)

I recorded the very first song on my phone or at least the first 1m30s of the concert-- needless to say the quality was not up to the standard you're walking into the place with

I decided to sit back and really take it in after that ..

...but...

2 things here

One, I was a decently hardcore FFXI player up until 2006. That music lives in me as does Zelda music. I truly appreciate your efforts.

And two. MAN! If I could go back to that concert and truly freeze those moments in time, by way of an audio retelling that I could listen to over and over and over and over... I would revel in the music for the rest of my life and share it with whomever. I can totally relate to how you feel towards your recordings, towards how EPIC the concert must've been and how you're able to relive those moments over and over because you actually captured the very essence the very music that fill the hall that night. I have only the WHOLE experience of my own to look back and think "Wow that was epic but I wish I could put it on replay." Anyways, kudos for the album and wonderful contribution to the community bud.

Cheers



p.s

After I finished the message above, I wanted to know exactly what ORCHESTRA was performing in this recording, according to this concert's claim of a world tour. Apparently, they hook up with whoever's local in the area. Phily PA was Pittsburgh's Philharmonic, LA would be LA Philharmonic, and London would be Royal Philharmonic etc etc etc.

I didn't find out who performed at the San Francisco Davies Hall but I'd assume it's the San Francisco Symphony. Link28, do you know??

It seems as if there's no set standard for symphony of the goddess. That's a shame. I don't know if it's the recording but upon my first listen, I could hear off-tune notes. And the laughter, and I'm assuming the projector screen with the game playing and images from the games playing as I've seen in performances dating back to the Play! concert days -- ugh. Where has the art gone? Who in perfect hell needs anything more than the music and instruments to connect with? I wouldn't say it's poor execution but it's blatantly poor taste and a true disservice to the music.

I've always been partial to the London Philharmonic of old. My friend's actually a part of the LA Philharmonic and as the years go by, much of the older talent for instrument and conducting wanes. Similar to the world of ballet, I'd venture. I'd really wish these core Orchestras and Symphonies would fashion the way they operate along the same lines as the old way of doing things -- Koji Kondo's music should really only be played by the same hands, the same like-thinking minds and the same orchestra/symphonies that it originated from, namely Tokyo and London. And THOSE ORCHESTRAS, THAT TEAM should be the ones touring. Not this game of pickup football that ultimately waters-down everything it touches. Anyways I need to end this rant asap.. Much love to you Hyrulians. Navi beckons me to a slumber ..

Link28 .. thanks broheem

Y'know I went to a Final Fantasy XI Concert at UC Berkeley's Zellerbach Hall in late 2012 (Wow time's really flying again ..)

I recorded the very first song on my phone or at least the first 1m30s of the concert-- needless to say the quality was not up to the standard you're walking into the place with

I decided to sit back and really take it in after that ..

...but...

2 things here

One, I was a decently hardcore FFXI player up until 2006. That music lives in me as does Zelda music. I truly appreciate your efforts.

And two. MAN! If I could go back to that concert and truly freeze those moments in time, by way of an audio retelling that I could listen to over and over and over and over... I would revel in the music for the rest of my life and share it with whomever. I can totally relate to how you feel towards your recordings, towards how EPIC the concert must've been and how you're able to relive those moments over and over because you actually captured the very essence the very music that fill the hall that night. I have only the WHOLE experience of my own to look back and think "Wow that was epic but I wish I could put it on replay." Anyways, kudos for the album and wonderful contribution to the community bud.

Cheers



p.s

After I finished the message above, I wanted to know exactly what ORCHESTRA was performing in this recording, according to this concert's claim of a world tour. Apparently, they hook up with whoever's local in the area. Phily PA was Pittsburgh's Philharmonic, LA would be LA Philharmonic, and London would be Royal Philharmonic etc etc etc.

I didn't find out who performed at the San Francisco Davies Hall but I'd assume it's the San Francisco Symphony. Link28, do you know??

It seems as if there's no set standard for symphony of the goddess. That's a shame. I don't know if it's the recording but upon my first listen, I could hear off-tune notes. And the laughter, and I'm assuming the projector screen with the game playing and images from the games playing as I've seen in performances dating back to the Play! concert days -- ugh. Where has the art gone? Who in perfect hell needs anything more than the music and instruments to connect with? I wouldn't say it's poor execution but it's blatantly poor taste and a true disservice to the music.

I've always been partial to the London Philharmonic of old. My friend's actually a part of the LA Philharmonic and as the years go by, much of the older talent for instrument and conducting wanes. Similar to the world of ballet, I'd venture. I'd really wish these core Orchestras and Symphonies would fashion the way they operate along the same lines as the old way of doing things -- Koji Kondo's music should really only be played by the same hands, the same like-thinking minds and the same orchestra/symphonies that it originated from, namely Tokyo and London. And THOSE ORCHESTRAS, THAT TEAM should be the ones touring. Not this game of pickup football that ultimately waters-down everything it touches. Anyways I need to end this rant asap.. Much love to you Hyrulians. Navi beckons me to a slumber ..

Hi, I'm Chad Seiter - the composer, arranger, and music director of Symphony of the Goddesses.

Just letting you know what a few of our orchestras are:

London - Royal Philharmonic Orchestra
San Francisco - Skywalker Symphony Orchestra. These guys perform on TONS of the video game soundtracks you listen to. These guys are amongs the best.
Los Angeles - The Hollywood Studio Orchestra. These are my friends of over 10 years, and THE premiere recording orchestra. They play on 98% of everything you have heard on TV or movies, like, ever. I hand picked the fantastic orchestra. I am honored to call them my friends and that night at The Greek, I truly believed we had the finest orchestra on the entire planet.

A few things I'd also like to point out.

1. It's financially nearly impossible to take an orchestra on tour. Especially a tour as small as ours. Many orchestras go on tour, but for either larger franchises, or GIANT productions of classical music. One night of music can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. Orchestras are expensive.

2. I am VERY VERY VERY proud to report that we use LOCAL players, wherever we go. They are 100% American Federation of Musicians Union members. No Non-Union musicians play on Zelda, at all. I am incredibly proud of that. Individually at this point we have employed literally THOUSANDS of musicians, and that makes me feel good. :)

3. Live concerts have imperfections. They always do, there is no way around that. All it takes is for somebody to snap a picture at an odd time and boom, just like you said, it's out of tune because a player was distracted. You are used to perfect studio recordings, where you have Pro Tools operators, music editors, mixers, and a click track to ensure you can perform the piece several times and chop between takes. You are never listening to 1 playthrough, you are listening through sometimes dozens, just for one piece. So, there is no way an orchestra concert can be perfect. The Royal Phil makes mistakes, the Skywalker Studio makes mistakes, and even the LA Philharmonic makes mistakes. That's the joy of live music. If you're looking for a perfect performance, it will never happen. The musicians do not train ahead of time; they perform the music once in the afternoon and once in the evening for the show itself, a total of TWO times. You may say this is irresponsible, but this is pretty much just how the entire world of orchestral music works, no matter what show it is. Sometimes we get two rehearsals, a total of 5 hours of rehearsal time, before the 2.5 hour show.

4. We are not allowed to use art, and the video we are allowed to use is supplied directly from Nintendo itself.

4. We are not allowed to use art.

You mean they took away your artistic licence Chad Seiter? ;)

Hi, I'm Chad Seiter - the composer, arranger, and music director of Symphony of the Goddesses.

Just letting you know what a few of our orchestras are:

London - Royal Philharmonic Orchestra
San Francisco - Skywalker Symphony Orchestra. These guys perform on TONS of the video game soundtracks you listen to. These guys are amongs the best.
Los Angeles - The Hollywood Studio Orchestra. These are my friends of over 10 years, and THE premiere recording orchestra. They play on 98% of everything you have heard on TV or movies, like, ever. I hand picked the fantastic orchestra. I am honored to call them my friends and that night at The Greek, I truly believed we had the finest orchestra on the entire planet.

A few things I'd also like to point out.

1. It's financially nearly impossible to take an orchestra on tour. Especially a tour as small as ours. Many orchestras go on tour, but for either larger franchises, or GIANT productions of classical music. One night of music can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. Orchestras are expensive.

2. I am VERY VERY VERY proud to report that we use LOCAL players, wherever we go. They are 100% American Federation of Musicians Union members. No Non-Union musicians play on Zelda, at all. I am incredibly proud of that. Individually at this point we have employed literally THOUSANDS of musicians, and that makes me feel good. :)

3. Live concerts have imperfections. They always do, there is no way around that. All it takes is for somebody to snap a picture at an odd time and boom, just like you said, it's out of tune because a player was distracted. You are used to perfect studio recordings, where you have Pro Tools operators, music editors, mixers, and a click track to ensure you can perform the piece several times and chop between takes. You are never listening to 1 playthrough, you are listening through sometimes dozens, just for one piece. So, there is no way an orchestra concert can be perfect. The Royal Phil makes mistakes, the Skywalker Studio makes mistakes, and even the LA Philharmonic makes mistakes. That's the joy of live music. If you're looking for a perfect performance, it will never happen. The musicians do not train ahead of time; they perform the music once in the afternoon and once in the evening for the show itself, a total of TWO times. You may say this is irresponsible, but this is pretty much just how the entire world of orchestral music works, no matter what show it is. Sometimes we get two rehearsals, a total of 5 hours of rehearsal time, before the 2.5 hour show.

4. We are not allowed to use art, and the video we are allowed to use is supplied directly from Nintendo itself.

Wow, Chad Seiter, I'm delighted to speak to you. Anyway, I can agree about the Hollywood Studio Orchestra. They're great!

Hey Link28469,
Is it possible for you too send the actual files to me through a different website? I need the .mp3 version and MediaFire is not working for me. Thank you!

This was a fantastic effort. Thanks! It's a shame there hasn't been an official release.

This was a fantastic effort. Thanks! It's a shame there hasn't been an official release.

I have a feeling we'll get a release on CD if recordings of Symphony of the Goddesses stop surfacing.
I'd buy 10 copies, myself.

I hope there's another tour of SotG, I missed the LA show. :( Here's hoping! But I'll totally buy a CD if it comes out, more Zelda music is always great, hehe. *hint* *hint*

Just saw the Goddesses concert last night in NYC - Unbelieveable! Loved it! The NY audience was great, cosplay was there, will go again next year…

Hi, I'm Chad Seiter - the composer, arranger, and music director of Symphony of the Goddesses.

Just letting you know what a few of our orchestras are:

London - Royal Philharmonic Orchestra
San Francisco - Skywalker Symphony Orchestra. These guys perform on TONS of the video game soundtracks you listen to. These guys are amongs the best.
Los Angeles - The Hollywood Studio Orchestra. These are my friends of over 10 years, and THE premiere recording orchestra. They play on 98% of everything you have heard on TV or movies, like, ever. I hand picked the fantastic orchestra. I am honored to call them my friends and that night at The Greek, I truly believed we had the finest orchestra on the entire planet.

A few things I'd also like to point out.

1. It's financially nearly impossible to take an orchestra on tour. Especially a tour as small as ours. Many orchestras go on tour, but for either larger franchises, or GIANT productions of classical music. One night of music can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. Orchestras are expensive.

2. I am VERY VERY VERY proud to report that we use LOCAL players, wherever we go. They are 100% American Federation of Musicians Union members. No Non-Union musicians play on Zelda, at all. I am incredibly proud of that. Individually at this point we have employed literally THOUSANDS of musicians, and that makes me feel good. :)

3. Live concerts have imperfections. They always do, there is no way around that. All it takes is for somebody to snap a picture at an odd time and boom, just like you said, it's out of tune because a player was distracted. You are used to perfect studio recordings, where you have Pro Tools operators, music editors, mixers, and a click track to ensure you can perform the piece several times and chop between takes. You are never listening to 1 playthrough, you are listening through sometimes dozens, just for one piece. So, there is no way an orchestra concert can be perfect. The Royal Phil makes mistakes, the Skywalker Studio makes mistakes, and even the LA Philharmonic makes mistakes. That's the joy of live music. If you're looking for a perfect performance, it will never happen. The musicians do not train ahead of time; they perform the music once in the afternoon and once in the evening for the show itself, a total of TWO times. You may say this is irresponsible, but this is pretty much just how the entire world of orchestral music works, no matter what show it is. Sometimes we get two rehearsals, a total of 5 hours of rehearsal time, before the 2.5 hour show.

4. We are not allowed to use art, and the video we are allowed to use is supplied directly from Nintendo itself.

Thank you for coming on here and sharing that information with us sir. It is a real pleasure and a delight to hear from you.

Keep bringing us this great music.

I love you! great job! :DDDD

Thank you for this!!!

I think everyone here is interested in this: Thread 165724

thanks

Thank you for this awesome collection of music, your effort is highly appreciated

Has anyone else seen anything on Master Quest?

Many thanks for sharing this collection!

Has anyone else seen anything on Master Quest?

I have seen this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3edxsYYKn10&list=PLHZqri6G1v3XGSDzhmWPx8Lp6-1ycr-fT&index=1

This is actually getting a CD release.

http://gonintendo.com/stories/277484-the-legend-of-zelda-symphony-of-the-goddesses-getting-cd-release

This is actually getting a CD release.

http://gonintendo.com/stories/277484-the-legend-of-zelda-symphony-of-the-goddesses-getting-cd-release

FINALLY!! I wondoer which music will be included? Hopefully the Link's Awakening pieces. I really want Chad's music

@MonadoLink Thanks for sharing your recording.

@MonadoLink Thanks for sharing your recording.

Thanks for reminding me, I finished editing the second quest, master quest, and string quartet concerts. When I get time soon, maybe I could share. Anyone who's interested, le me know. The pings will remind me

EDIT: Thread 236137