HI FRIENDS

NOW I POST HOOK COMPLETE SCORE 3 CD'S EDITION

MUSIC BY JOHN WILLIAMS

TRACKLIST:

01.- Prologue (Trailer Music)
02.- ''We Don't Wanna Grow Up'' (Title Card)
03.- Banning Back Home
04.- The Darling Household
05.- Peter's Old Room
06.- Grandma's Tale
07.- Tucking In The Children - The Pocket Watch
08.- The Dog Barks Hook
09.- The Children Were Screaming - Hook's Back
10.- Granny Wendy (Version I)
11.- Granny Wendy (Version II)
12.- Faerie Tales (Don't You KNow Who You Are)
13.- The Appearance Of Tinker Bell - The Flight
14.- Pirate Town - Blending In [March]
15.- The Appearance Of Hook
16.- A Shadow Of Peter Pan - He's Forgotten Everything - Three Days
17.- From Mermaids To Lost Boys
18.- Home Of The Lost Boys
19.- Lost Boy Chase
20.- There You Are Peter
21.- Smee's Plan
22.- Lessons [Run Home, Jack]
23.- The Banquet
24.- Never Feast
25.- ''When You're Alone''
26.- Is That A Clock?
27.- Remembering Childhood
28.- You Are The Pan
29.- The Battle I
30.- The Battle II
31.- The Battle III
32.- Hook's Gone
33.- Farewell Neverland - Finale
34.- End Credits
35.- Neverland [That Place Between Sleep And Awake]
36.- The Appearance Of Tinker Bell / The Flight (Alternate #1)
37.- The Appearance Of Tinker Bell - The Flight (Alternate #2)
38.- There You Are Peter (Aalternate)
39.- The Banquet (Alternate)
40.- Thematics #1
41.- Remembering Childhood (Alternate)
42.- The Appearance Of Peter Pan (Alternate)
43.- Thematics #2
44.- Exit Music
45.- "Childhood"
46.- Banning Back Home (W/Sound Effects)
47.- Peter And Tink
48.- The Battle I (Alternate)
49.- Prologue Music (Alternate Cue # 1)
50.- Prologue Music (Alternate Cue # 2)

TOTAL TIME: 3 HOURS 20 MINUTES

ENJOY IT

LINK:
Free Online Storage & File Upload with FileServe (http://www.fileserve.com/file/Wn3tyRH/Hook) Complete Score From The Recording Sessions.rar

This is the 3 cd version. There's another 4 cd version but includes cues with fx. Also, checking here in the forum, i've found another 4 cd version without fx. I don't know if both 4 cd version are the same.

ADD.- As i can see, this is a fan edit version. So, if anyone will report this to the moderator of this forum to delete, i won't be upset. Thanks.

Is this that sounds like a 17th generation cassette tape copy played under water set that's been around for years, or something better quality? Guess I'll dl and find out... thanks in advance!

p.s. I mean no offense at all btw, just wondering if this is FINALLY the real deal!

hi jmn77 well, to be honest i didn't hear this score in the 17th generation cassette tape copy played under water jeje like you say

i hear this score in good quality, my opinion is that this score has a good quality. Please let me know if the quality is just like you mention befores

thanks.

P.s. of course no offense

I'll be checking it out soon! There have been 3CD and 4CD versions around for years... a great deal of the "previously unreleased on the OST" material sounded pretty good, but some sounded down right warped and kinda bad... but don't get me wrong, I've listened to those versions often over the years because I believe this score is that great. Definitely one of John Williams great scores, truly! But all scores either soar or sink depending on the success of the film. Unfortunately the film sank, so the score has gotten no love but IMHO highly deserves a complete release!

yes it's true i heard before the 4 cd version but this version included fx so added much music and much time the 4 cd version has a time nearly of 4 hours but is for this for many tracks with fx and many tracks has a bad quality. I hear this version that i posted and i really think that has a good quality, but you will check it and i hope has a good quality for you, and if not, please let me know.

Are you folks living under rocks? Hook is getting a complete release from La-La-Land, at the end of March.

LOL. I was wondering why nobody have said anything about the upcoming re-release.

well it's only 140 minutes and it's an expanded version let's hope someday will have a complete release

This is the original post:

HOOK: EXPANDED ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK (2-CD SET)
LLLCD 1211
LIMITED EDITION OF 5000 UNITS
RETAIL PRICE: $29.98

RE-ISSUE PRODUCED BY DIDIER C. DEUTSCH AND MARK G. WILDER
MASTERED BY MARK G. WILDER AND MARIA TRIANA
SUPERVISED AND APPROVED BY JOHN WILLIAMS
LINER NOTES BY DANIEL SCHWEIGER
ART DIRECTION BY JIM TITUS

La-La Land Records and Sony Music presents the world premiere release of the official remastered and expanded edition of renowned composer John Williams’s original score to the 1991 Tri-Star Pictures adventure/fantasy Steven Spielberg-directed epic, HOOK! Long considered one of the maestro’s best scores in collaboration with Mr. Spielberg, this masterwork is finally presented here in a worthy 2-CD release that contains more than 140 mins of music, including alternate and unused cues, greatly expanding the score’s original 1991 album assembly with more than 65 minutes of music previously unreleased. Amazing art design by Jim Titus and great, in-depth liners from film music writer Daniel Schweiger round out this amazing soundtrack experience that will have you never wanting to grow up!

This album assembly was supervised by John Williams . . .the completed project approved by both John Williams and Steven Spielberg.

We’ve been listening to this thing at La-La Land non-stop and are so excited to finally share it with all of you next Tuesday!

CD goes on sale TUESDAY, MARCH 27 at 1 pm pst at www.lalalandrecords.com


Additional Information:

Posted by "phbart"

Expanded "Hook" Will Not Be Complete (This is the Thread)

From Jwfan:

"13 March 2012, 9:55 pm
An interview with album producer Didier C. Deutch reveals that La-La Land’s upcoming release of Hook will not be complete due to some cues being excluded at the request of John Williams. Here is an excerpt:

After numerous exchanges between his representatives and La-La Land, the release was endorsed by Williams.

The production cost was enormous, but fortunately Columbia came to the rescue. All I had to do was to go to the studio with my engineer, with all the elements in their place exactly as I designed the complete music of the film, from beginning to end. So we put on this double disc all we hear in the film, including pieces that have not been used. Meanwhile, John Williams, through his intermediaries, said he wanted to hear what we had done. He made a few suggestions. He asked that certain pieces that were repetitive be eliminated, and he excluded some pieces that didn’t fit with the rest of the score like Take Me out to the Ball Game. In short, he re-created the soundtrack as we hear it on this double disc. "

well it's only 140 minutes and it's an expanded version let's hope someday will have a complete release

Have a look at this thread, particularly posts 76-78. This probably isn't a complete score release, but we won't know for sure for another week yet. In any case, La-La Land just doesn't use the word "complete" in its releases anymore.

La-La Land Records announces HOOK (Expanded) coming March 27th - JOHN WILLIAMS Fan Network - Page 2 (http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=21412&st=40)

well it's only 140 minutes and it's an expanded version let's hope someday will have a complete release

Yes but it's an expanded release that Williams actually gave his own input on what cues should be included. And that's something considering that Williams never cared to be involved on this process of special editions to his own scores.
And since it is John Williams himself that didn't want some music to be included, i accept his wishes, because it is his music after all and he's much more sensitive to his work than anyone else.

totally agree with you sanico

what i am saying is that i hope a complete score, but like you say, is william's music, and the expanded score will be amazing

Are you folks living under rocks?Hook is getting a complete release from La-La-Land, at the end of March.

Not living under a rock, no, but I merely have many interests and a very busy life... Though it was quite thoughtful of you to clarify for others that I had, in fact, NOT been aware of this upcoming LLL release. Brilliant deduction Sherlock.

Personally I thought it was already quite apparent within my posts themselves, but hey, I understand. Sometimes Mama can't fight the urge to feed them baby birds!

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As far as I know the missing 10 minutes is alternate and unused.

Guess we'll find out in a few days!

I personally suspect this will be another of those "as it was intended" albums

You mean like Aliens, how there's the Horner version and then the Cameron version?

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Psst...Amamda...

Caps Lock...:angel:

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I just listen to this and this is the best it's sound way better than the concord bootleg

Not living under a rock, no, but I merely have many interests and a very busy life... Though it was quite thoughtful of you to clarify for others that I had, in fact, NOT been aware of this upcoming LLL release. Brilliant deduction Sherlock.

Personally I thought it was already quite apparent within my posts themselves, but hey, I understand. Sometimes Mama can't fight the urge to feed them baby birds!

I don't know why you have to respond with such aggression. It surprised me that a gentleman on a film music discussion board, talking about "Hook" (one of his favourite scores) may have been aware of the news that said score will receive a full release in just a few days; given that this release has been spectacularly big news since it was announced more than a month ago. I intended a good-natured light mock; and you have interpreted it as an attack. As so many people on the internet are inclined to do; assume the worst, live on permanent defense alert, and respond with anger and sarcasm, where humility and friendship would be more appropriate.

If this is, indeed, clean sounding Recording sessions, than this really should be taken down before LLL pulls it. LLL is a company that's doing us a HUGE favor by working for YEARS...YEARS...to provide to us the BEST hook experience possible and YOU are doing THEM a disservice by, days before, posting this. Everyone who's downloaded this should see this as a reason why they should BUY the LLL set and SUPPORT the people who are working their ASSES off to give us what we want! They only reason these would exist is BECAUSE OF LLL! THEY DIGITIZED THEM

Don't be ungrateful FUCKS. If you're gonna download this, then make sure you BUY LLL's set because it WILL be more phenomenal than anything before it. The Liner notes alone will be a massive learning experience.

I for one think it's UTTERLY disgraceful that someone would even THINK of posting this just mere DAYS before the set is up for sale.

That's REALLY shitty.

Goodmusician ..... I dont think anyone is ungrateful .... i for one will be buying the 2 cd set , and dowNloading this as its more complete ..... and stop SWEARING .

Some people are totally uneducated when it comes to knowing actual recording sessions and fan made boots. I hate to burst the bubble of the original poster but this is a FAN MADE boot. "The Battle Part 1" is actually "Tink Grows Up" from the Concorde set, just slightly more cleaned up. "The Battle Part 2" is the first unreleased portion of "The Ultimate War" that was ripped from the rear channels off the DVD set. This is not.. I repeat NOT the actual recording sessions. A lot of people tend to label fan made sets as actual sessions when they clearly are not.

If this is, indeed, clean sounding Recording sessions, than this really should be taken down before LLL pulls it. LLL is a company that's doing us a HUGE favor by working for YEARS...YEARS...to provide to us the BEST hook experience possible and YOU are doing THEM a disservice by, days before, posting this. Everyone who's downloaded this should see this as a reason why they should BUY the LLL set and SUPPORT the people who are working their ASSES off to give us what we want! They only reason these would exist is BECAUSE OF LLL! THEY DIGITIZED THEM

Don't be ungrateful FUCKS. If you're gonna download this, then make sure you BUY LLL's set because it WILL be more phenomenal than anything before it. The Liner notes alone will be a massive learning experience.

I for one think it's UTTERLY disgraceful that someone would even THINK of posting this just mere DAYS before the set is up for sale.

That's REALLY shitty.

You are presuming that anyone who downloads this will not purchase the new LLL release. I do not think this upload will affect the sales of the LLL release, as it IS different. And you are certainly welcome to your thoughts and opinion, but you could dispense with calling us "ungrateful f****", and could express yourself in a more civil manner. And that's not too much to ask, is it?

i bet goodmusician has still downloaded it though!!!

i bet goodmusician has still downloaded it though!!!

Why would he? In two days he can order a meticulously mastered version arranged to the specifications of the Maestro himself and not waste his time downloading a fan-made MP3 edit that's been circulating the web for years with a few of its tags changed.

I don't know why you have to respond with such aggression. It surprised me that a gentleman on a film music discussion board, talking about "Hook" (one of his favourite scores) may have been aware of the news that said score will receive a full release in just a few days; given that this release has been spectacularly big news since it was announced more than a month ago. I intended a good-natured light mock; and you have interpreted it as an attack. As so many people on the internet are inclined to do; assume the worst, live on permanent defense alert, and respond with anger and sarcasm, where humility and friendship would be more appropriate.

What you perceive as "anger and sarcasm" was actually me returning the "good-natured light mocking". Seriously... But that's ALSO the internet for you. Tone and inflection are usually lost in print without the proper emoticons and italicizations, etc... My apologies :)

Don't waste your time downloading this

either way , it will be mine :)

I plan on buying the LLL set. Please read that message again as what I'm calling an "ungrateful fuck" is someone who would download this and not buy the LLL set. I also think that posting it to garner attention to yourself days before it's release is being ungrateful as well (seeing as if it is the RS then the source is LA LA LAND!)

EDIT:

I've downloaded it only so I can check to see if it's truly the sessions as LLL should be made aware of someone leaking their sessions just TWO DAYS before the release of a much anticipated and EXPENSIVELY produced release. But this is nothing more than a fan edit. So it doesn't really matter

I plan on buying the LLL set. Please read that message again as what I'm calling an "ungrateful fuck" is someone who would download this and not buy the LLL set. I also think that posting it to garner attention to yourself days before it's release is being ungrateful as well.

EDIT:

I've downloaded it only so I can check to see if it's truly the sessions as LLL should be made aware of someone leaking their sessions just TWO DAYS before the release of a much anticipated and EXPENSIVELY produced release. But this is nothing more than a fan edit. So it doesn't really matter

It's good to know you are in the habbit of informing record labels.

You are presuming that anyone who downloads this will not purchase the new LLL release. I do not think this upload will affect the sales of the LLL release, as it IS different.

You're not understanding what I said. I stated quite clearly that if you download it, you should STILL buy it. and yes, if this were the real deal, I think it could negatively impact their bottom line. Why else would the labels be so keen on pulling uploads from this site! And how pissed they get when things get leaked like the sessions to "Family Plot" as they're working on producing the release.


It's good to know you are in the habbit of informing record labels.

You assume I make a habit of that. I do not. But when it comes to something like this set... which you can tell LLL is hoping will have a great return and worked their asses off including postponing the project several times JUST to give us the best there was to offer... then you bet your ASS I'd let them know. They are doing us a massive and EXPENSIVE favour. Its called being grateful


And just so everyone knows


THIS IS NOT THE REAL DEAL

Its just a fan edit of the previously released material from the other boots, album, and DVD

What you perceive as "anger and sarcasm" was actually me returning the "good-natured light mocking". Seriously... But that's ALSO the internet for you. Tone and inflection are usually lost in print without the proper emoticons and italicizations, etc... My apologies :)

So they are; and my apologies also. :) That which sounds so good in your head, suddenly becomes smug arrogance when typed.

I'm not quite sure why posting this dodgy bootleg set has generated such controversy; I believe now is exactly the right time to remind people that Hook exists - and what better, and more timely, commercial for the upcoming release could one ask for?

Making available a poor quality edition of the score to awaken interest, just in time to stir up some enthusiasm, is going to have a positive impact on the way LLL's set is received.

To immediately leap to the conclusion that somebody has stolen LLL's master (somehow) and tried to deliberately sabotage their release by putting it out there a week early... simply beggars belief. The chances of that actually happening (probably not far from zero) against the chances that this is nothing more than a mislabeled bootleg... sometimes, the simplest explanation really is the truth. To post vindictive, foul-mouthed tirades without establishing the facts, to deny the benefit of the doubt, leaves me speechless. Particularly when it is coming from such a highly respected member of the film score community as GoodMusician.

This is indeed a boot - of variable and occasionally downright awful quality; nothing more, nothing less. Seven days from now every bootleg edition will be rendered completely and equally obsolete.

Nobody who is a potential buyer of LLL's set will download this and say "Oh, fantastic - now I won't buy the new edition, because I have this instead!" (Obviously, if somebody posted LLL's set, I would be standing side by side with GoodMusician in anger and indignation. And yes, I would be trying to get it taken down - by any means necessary.)

But probably a fair few people will hear this, remember how great the score is, and as a result of this conversation discover that the LLL set is forthcoming - and place an immediate order.

Look... I posted what I did becuase the person who posted this made it SOUND like it was the Sessions. It upset me because this sort of thing has happened to the companies before...and they don't take very kindly to that...especially when they work so hard to give us what we want.

Did anyone else here listen to the interview on the radio about this set and what they went through? They semi-complain about how certain gems that people begged and begged for STILL AREN'T SOLD OUT...and you get the impression that its because of people posting them on sites and sharing them.

I'm sorry if my anger upset people but read what I said for what it is... which so far no one has. You are all assuming I'm uspet that the person posted this. I posted what I said because the person made it sound like these were the pristine masters produced for the LLL set and leaked online days before the set was to be sold... but seeing as this is NOTHING more than what we've had, yes, it is a great reminder as to why we should buy this set because it'll be BRILLIANT...

I don't think people are getting upset because somebody posted this old boot, but more or less because it was posted as the recording sessions. Being that close to the official release with sessions leaking would be bad.

Since Hook is limited to 5000 I have no doubts it will sell out pretty quickly, but there probably are some people that would have thought twice about buying it if these had indeed been sessions leaked out.

thank you darkknight. That is EXACTLY my point...not that anyone really read what I said

I absolutely understand that; I just don't follow why you would assume that this is some terrifically illegal and vindictive post of LLL's master (or a recording session from another source) and proceed on that basis - rather than go with what's considerably more likely - that this is a poxy quality boot that is mislabelled as recording sessions.

You have probably not seen it but I spend a lot of time fighting against posts of such scores; folk do not realise (or, more painfully, do not care) that behind the scenes money is exchanging hands (ridiculous sums, often paid for out of the pockets of individuals who gain nothing financially from the release) and people are working themselves down to the bone, literally for years, to create a product. And then ten minutes later it's on the internet. That is despicable and unforgivable.

Finally, please calm down; some people are on your side here (like me) and directing your wrath at this people also, helps nobody.

I didn't assume. I chose my words.

"If this is, indeed, clean sounding Recording sessions, then"

Not to mention I have been told such sessions exist (although I've not heard them) so I did fear it would only be a matter of time for them to end up here and such sessions have, in the past, leaked the day before a major release... I do understand your point though.

If somebody had actually posted that, I'd have called LLL myself.

likewise. Hence why I downloaded it to check. And yet I get demonized for being "in the habbit of informing record labels."

I posted what I did just in case it was that and since it was gonna take over an hour to download the file to check... and if they were the real deal then I didn't want that time to pass without someone at least saying what needed to be said.

Don't panic lads, I'm sure there's plenty of other threads and files you can report.

I share almost all my edits on this site as soon as their done. This includes a lot of hard work to produce them and the list isn't exactly unknowns...it's stuff people want... but even I have a line.

Don't panic lads, I'm sure there's plenty of other threads and files you can report.

Come on, bishty... seriously. :rolleyes:

sorry if this file upset many people here. I Just try to remember to anyone how HOOK score is amazing and maybe i choose the wrong words to post this, and my apologize that's my error. And yes, tomorrow LLL will sell the 2 cd expanded edition quickly. And afther that, some will post LLL edition here. After that, someone will offer another "Complete Recording Sessions" with mixing the tracks from the original album, the several bootlegs, the fan edits and the LLL version, and the that will called "Ultimate Complete Score Edition" like Inception 5 cd's version. If this is a fan edit, that's something i really really didn't know until today. If this a violation to the policy of the forum, i ask a moderator to delete this post. I never wanted to say with this post "download this because this is the original recording sessions and don't buy LLL edition". I want to buy LLL edition, and i hope i can.

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I'm actually hoping that the LLL release lasts a couple of weeks, because I genuinely do want to buy this. But for the next couple of weeks, that is just absolutely not possible. I don't mean as in, money's a little tight right now but I could probably make it work somehow; I mean as in, I literally don't know how I'm going to put gas in my car right now. So, hopefully it'll last at least a little while. And if not, hopefully some kind soul will be able to share.

I will say though that I am very glad that this is being released (expanded, near-complete, whatever) by LLL, and I sincerely hope that they do well financially from this (I'm pretty sure they will).

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I understand that to an extent... when it comes to scores and sessions, I'm a bit greedy because I don't trust the companies to protect them. But had this been the real sessions, leaked days before, that's just... "bad form."

And the money that these companies spend to give us what we want, to go on a veritable treasure hunt to find stuff... I think they deserve to get paid...

I hate to say it, but If I can't afford something, I don't buy it. If I can't buy something, I don't get it. I have no sense of entitlement towards something I can't afford. If its hard to get, OOP, or what have you, I'm ok with downloading it...but If I can pay someone for the effort they put into doing ME a service, well...that's just the right thing to do.

But if you can't buy it because there is no product, if its unavailable because its out of print or hard to find in print or where you can get it, the costs are way more than they should be (ie: ebay or amazon 2nd gen sellers) then no...I'll download.

But I have no sense of entitlement towards something I can't afford but could easily buy.

Don't get me wrong, there's a difference between remorse and wanting a label to succeed. Not much remorse here for me. Besides, pretty sure Hook will do decently at the very least.

By the way, I would never think of myself as "entitled" to something. But let's face it, this is technically a downloading site, whether legal or not. There's no getting around that. And I'm okay with that. Like babydoll, if something's available online, then yeah, I'll probably snag it. I don't download every single thing on here, just the ones that interest me. But as I said, I would LOVE to buy Hook expanded. I really hope it's around for a couple of weeks. But if it doesn't last, yes I will snag it online when it shows up. (But I would never describe myself as "entitled".)

As for the score, it's gorgeous. I pretty much wore out the CD back in college. My favorite tracks are "Remembering Childhood" and "You Are the Pan". (I'm also a sucker for "When You're Alone". Don't judge. lol)

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Same here. I have no disrespect for anyone here or their opinions, regardless of how we feel on the issue.

I just want us all to be able to enjoy good music.

let me give my two cents:

Did I DL this "Complete" ? Yes. As I DL'd every damn version of this score I find on the net. I guess i have a mild case of being a compulsive hoarder. Will I buy the LLL release ? Possibly, it'll depend on my finances in the next 2 weeks. it will also depend of the price.

One big inconsistency in you reasonning, GM, is thinking that posting scores, unreleased sessions or complete DVDrips, or even Samples from composers website is "less illegal" or "morally acceptable". at least that's how I understood it.

What we do IS illegal. no matter what is posted, why it is posted, unless the poster is also the creator/right holder, what's posted on these part of the internet is illegal. FFshrine Download forums have always worked this way. LLL and Intrada never attacked the site nor contacted the admins, so I guess it means they don't care (hell, their releases still sell very well, probably why intrada is slowly ditching the "limited" edition aspect), as they do no feel this is a danger to their business.

BUT, even I have my limits. when something is till available new, I go for it if I really want it. nothing compares to having the genuine CD in hands. I did so for the last starfighter, for "It", and will maybe do so for Hook. I don't request stuff that just came out. If money's tight, I just buy the digital DL from Amazon. Maybe when I'm able and the thing is worth it I start hunting for the CD. depends.

And heck...If I can't buy the new release, I still have my trusty old Hook CD...better than nothing :rolleyes:

I am just glad its not a pre-release date leak of the LLL release.

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It is NOT the LLL release. It is NOT NOT NOT the LL release....

I KNOW.

I said that I was glad it WASN'T.

I KNOW.

I said that I was glad it WASN'T.

No you didn't :D


I am just glad its a pre-release date leak of the LLL release.

See ? :rolleyes:

:angel:

darn speed typing.

One big inconsistency in you reasonning, GM, is thinking that posting scores, unreleased sessions or complete DVDrips, or even Samples from composers website is "less illegal" or "morally acceptable". at least that's how I understood it.

The way I look at it, if the composer posted samples, then it's legal (unless its the case of Troy by Gabriel Yared heh :-/) but if I make an edit based on DVD rip with the album, I'm producing a new product that cannot be purchased by a consumer at a store. I'm producing something for myself and chosing to share it with you all. I do not sell my edits, and in fact, I get rather pissed when I see them being sold on ebay. I pull them from there too!

But the edits we make and share are personal edits created to fill a void left by the companies. Legal or not, its something that's not available to be sold or purchased and thus fills a niche. I garner no profit from my edits (when I could very well if I chose to).

Illegality of it not non-withstanding, If I want to make sure I don't have to keep making edits (which in the case of Hook I'd been attempting to produce a viable complete score edit since about 2005 and couldn't bear to release something with sub-par quality inherent in these old existing rips), then I try to support the companies that are releasing the gems that I desire most. Its just common sense.

Please people, stop bitchin' about posting soundtracks here!

Posting a fan edit is just as illegal as posting an official release.

So is your avatar. It contains artwork (font) and a title owned by Lucas film. Your screen name is illegal too because it doesn't credit the original licence holder.

See how fun this gets? :-p

A the end everything you do on the internet is illegal.

You see, even watching a youtube video is illegal.

The key is to differentiate between what is illegal and immoral, and what is illegal and morally justified.

Not everything legal is good, and not everything illegal is bad.

The key is to differentiate between what is illegal and immoral, and what is illegal and morally justified.

Not everything legal is good, and not everything illegal is bad.

And the judgement is yours ?.

If we want companies, private labels, like LLL to keep putting out superior products...to keep working to give us the scores we desire... we will have to support them. Bottom line.

We only have so many left. LLL, FSM, Intrada, Varese... and we're already losing one this year and FSM is downsizing considerably. It literally comes down to them. They can't do it out of the kindness of their hearts. They have to make business decisions. And if it came to a bootleg of the LLL sessions getting posted on here or me buying the LLL set, I would, of course, chose to report the sessions to LLL, and buy their set instead.

I think it's naive of anyone to think downloading them and never buying the set is a fine way to go about things.

And if SONY is any example, we can't leave it up to the production companies to make these decisions.

The way I look at it, if the composer posted samples, then it's legal (unless its the case of Troy by Gabriel Yared heh :-/) but if I make an edit based on DVD rip with the album, I'm producing a new product that cannot be purchased by a consumer at a store. I'm producing something for myself and chosing to share it with you all. I do not sell my edits, and in fact, I get rather pissed when I see them being sold on ebay. I pull them from there too!

But the edits we make and share are personal edits created to fill a void left by the companies. Legal or not, its something that's not available to be sold or purchased and thus fills a niche. I garner no profit from my edits (when I could very well if I chose to).

Illegality of it not non-withstanding, If I want to make sure I don't have to keep making edits (which in the case of Hook I'd been attempting to produce a viable complete score edit since about 2005 and couldn't bear to release something with sub-par quality inherent in these old existing rips), then I try to support the companies that are releasing the gems that I desire most. Its just common sense.

I get your point for Samples. Heck, I regularly go on a loot tour on composers websites to get some tracks. As for DVDrips and customs edits, I get your point. they do indeed fill a niche. not that it would matter if the copyright holders took interest in you. As for when a real expanded score gets a release, yes, the company who releases it should be supported. But let's face it: there will never be official complete/expanded releases for ALL scores.

Tbh the act of posting a bootleg doesn't really comes to me as a threat to the LLL release. people who want to buy the release will buy it. people who wouldn't have bought it, whether because they don't have the means or because they are enraged "piracy is cool" supporters, won't buy it anyway.

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We only have so many left. LLL, FSM, Intrada, Varese... and we're already losing one this year and FSM is downsizing considerably.

I know FSM is stopping its releases, but have we lost another label ?

Not everything we want can/will be released in a full or expanded form. True... and thus, the need for people like myself who produce the boots will always be there.

As for the second argument, I never understood the need to post an album that you spent money on here... lol... if I purchased a brand new CD for full price, why would I post it on here, unchanged, in full lossless format, without any additions or reservations, for free to others lol.... but that's an argument for another day...

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Perhaps I got that mixed up. I thoguht FSM was downsizing and that we were losing Varese but still... to lose FSM, a long time staple in our niche industry... that's not good.

As for the second argument, I never understood the need to post an album that you spent money on here... lol... if I purchased a brand new CD for full price, why would I post it on here, unchanged, in full lossless format, without any additions or reservations, for free to others lol.... but that's an argument for another day...
Speaking for myself: I'd do so simply because I want others to enjoy it. The day "Hook LLL" will be found/posted in FLAC will not be a bad day for the label... There are only so many copies being made of it... And even when someone does share a link: 1) It's still up to the user to actually go and download. 2) The sharer isn't actually stopping anyone from securing him~herself an actual copy of the release, if availability allows it.

This debate manages to make me laugh every time, geez.

Perhaps I got that mixed up. I thoguht FSM was downsizing and that we were losing Varese but still... to lose FSM, a long time staple in our niche industry... that's not good.

I thought you meant Tadlow....

Look... I posted what I did becuase the person who posted this made it SOUND like it was the Sessions.
Think before you post something. You weren't sure what's inside, yet nothing stopped you from calling people "fucks" and the whole thing "shitty". Various right-managing organisations and lawyers already tried taking advantage of people who were innocent. Chill down, will ya?

thank you!

FSM is packing up because Kendall is sick to the back teeth of running the business; and presumably because some horrifically bad decision making during the Ron Jones box project resulted in a significant loss of money. Tadlow (the re-recording arm) has announced that it will stop because Fitzpatrick has recorded everything he's interested in recording and will not sink money into projects that don't interest him.

Varese continue to release atrocious scores in poorly mastered releases, and plumb new depths in lazy, ill-mannered customer services. They used to have quite a reputation for new recordings and re-releases; now they're all about releasing the latest Brian Tyler trash with hilariously over-wrought marketing dreck ("Tyler conducts his orchestral powerhouse score, unleashing the full power and glory of the mighty epic 100 piece Hollywood Studio Symphony Orchestra, in this tour-de-force of symphonic splendour... blah blah blah") with the occasional Spartacus only just barely keeping the pilot light of quality burning.

For everybody else, as far as I'm aware, it's business as usual - releases are coming so thick and fast that the marketplace is saturated. It's all going to stop sooner or later but only because anything worth releasing has been released. So many "holy grails" in the last three or four years that we never thought possible. What's left? There's nothing being written today that deserves releasing - so once the holy grails are all done (and they will be sooner rather than later) they'll put out a few desperation releases that will sell badly, and they'll leave the marketplace.

FSM is packing up because Kendall is sick to the back teeth of running the business; and presumably because some horrifically bad decision making during the Ron Jones box project resulted in a significant loss of money. Tadlow (the re-recording arm) has announced that it will stop because Fitzpatrick has recorded everything he's interested in recording and will not sink money into projects that don't interest him.

Varese continue to release atrocious scores in poorly mastered releases, and plumb new depths in lazy, ill-mannered customer services. They used to have quite a reputation for new recordings and re-releases; now they're all about releasing the latest Brian Tyler trash with hilariously over-wrought marketing dreck ("Tyler conducts his orchestral powerhouse score, unleashing the full power and glory of the mighty epic 100 piece Hollywood Studio Symphony Orchestra, in this tour-de-force of symphonic splendour... blah blah blah") with the occasional Spartacus only just barely keeping the pilot light of quality burning.

For everybody else, as far as I'm aware, it's business as usual - releases are coming so thick and fast that the marketplace is saturated. It's all going to stop sooner or later but only because anything worth releasing has been released. So many "holy grails" in the last three or four years that we never thought possible. What's left? There's nothing being written today that deserves releasing - so once the holy grails are all done (and they will be sooner rather than later) they'll put out a few desperation releases that will sell badly, and they'll leave the marketplace.

While I don't partage your opinion on Bryan Tyler (unless you speak of what he produces, and not what he could produce, but that is another subject), I do agree that the market is quite saturated, but, for most interesting release, shared between the two "big" names (Intrada and LLL), and a few smaller ones (like Perseverance). But there still are a lot of interesting scores to release. lots of scores by Williams, Goldsmith, Goldenthal, Horner still need a proper rerelease. Also, I still hope for scores of the eighties, full of synths but who shaped my childhood, to be released, and to prove that you can use synths and do a good job, unlike Zimmer or Bates try to prove us.

Yet, and in that respect you are right, sooner or later, there will be nothing of interest to release anymore. or will there ? most of these releases were "limited" editions. between 1.000 and 3.000 most of the time, sometimes 10.000. One day they'll probably just start re-re-releasing their old limited editions, maybe in an unlimited form, maybe in digital form or whatever.

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Think before you post something. You weren't sure what's inside, yet nothing stopped you from calling people "fucks" and the whole thing "shitty". Various right-managing organisations and lawyers already tried taking advantage of people who were innocent. Chill down, will ya?

Please re-read what I said. I stated, very clearly that "If this is the RS session, then" ... if not, then logically speaking, my argument had no bearing. But the person who posted it said it was. And seeing as he posted it on a site that would take me over an hour to download, I didn't want to wait and say nothing if it was indeed the sessions which I've heard are out there. This same thing happened to other labels before and Hook doesn't deserve that fate especially since it's already being harmed by the fact that many masters were missing and they had to resort to the Music Only stems from the film for some of the cues.

But I'm not really certain I have more to say on it past that. An hour to wait is an eternity for online downloads. By that point, if it were real, the link would be re-posted a thousand times and anyone who wanted it would have it, which YES, would hurt the LLL sales (which I have no DOUBT it would have) so I said what I said in hopes to at least give people some prism with which to look at the sessions (if they had been them). I said what I said and even pretext it. If people can't handle that then...well...I'm not really sorry for that so lol

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But, I do find it interesting. In the STS thread, there are voluminous amounts of cussing and explicit talk. And posted pics that would sear your eyeballs. But no personal arguments. I find it odd then a thread like that is often FAR more civil than a thread where we talk about music we like. :rolleyes: I always welcome a good debate, and of course we will all disagree to a point, but often, here, things get very personal so fast. It boggles my mind. :notgood:

It's because us shit shooters are all insane. so we don't get angry. we just go more insane :D Granted, i haven't been a part of this esteemed group known as the STS/Thread-wrecking crew, but I don't see as much argument up there. probably because it is a small sub-community, and because we are more or less like minded.

We are the Borg of FFshrine.

Resistance is futile. :rolleyes:

Please re-read what I said. I stated, very clearly that "If this is the RS session, then" ... if not, then logically speaking, my argument had no bearing.
So when I say that one is a "cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey shit" IF those are the recording sessions, then it's O.K.?


An hour to wait is an eternity for online downloads. By that point, if it were real, the link would be re-posted a thousand times and anyone who wanted it would have it, which YES, would hurt the LLL sales (which I have no DOUBT it would have)
The topic existed for more than 19 hours when you submitted your first post, so have you reported somewhere you have any suspicions? After all an hour to wait is an eternity for on-line downloads...

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Please let's calm down.

With some of the omissions in the LLL set, this and/or the other boots could still be needed (along with the old OST)

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Under Williams direction , I trust it , it will still be a great cd , so whine (and no one specific here) if you want too , Im ordering it :)

the LLL release will be the OST (with microedits?) program with the unreleased cues added around it.

so cues like:

Neverfeast Insert
Pick Em, Up (not too important)
Flight to Neverland (OST version)

will not be on this release

also alot of cues are from the film stems, meaning the will retain the film edits (I think) and dialed out bits will not be included.

and two bits that are on the OST will not be included

DISC 1
1 Prologue 1:30
2 We Don't Wanna Grow Up + 1:50
3 Banning Back Home 2:25
4 Granny Wendy 2:57
5 The Bedroom* 1:07
6 The Nursery* 1:38
7 The Watch* :56
8 Hook-Napped 3:56
9 A Portrait Of Wendy* 1:06
10 The Arrival Of Tink/The Flight To Neverland** 6:03
11 Presenting The Hook 3:01
12 Pirates!* 2:41
13 Hook Challenges PeterH 7:50
14 From Mermaids To Lost Boys** 5:13
15 The Lost Boy Chase 3:32
16 Smee's Plan** 3:25
17 Pan Is Challenged* 1:20
18 Hook's Lesson* 3:08
19 The Banquet 3:10
20 The Never-Feast 4:41
21 Hook's Madness* 4:00
22 Follow That Shadow* 2:38
DISC 1 TIME: 68:18

DISC 2
1 Remembering Childhood 11:04
2 You Are The Pan** 4:03
3 When You're Alone+ 3:16
4 Tink Grows Up* 2:20
5 The Ultimate War: To War** 9:45
6 The Ultimate War: The Death Of Rufio* 2:36
7 The Ultimate War: Sword Fight* 5:32
8 Farewell Neverland** 11:15
9 End Credits** 6:08

Bonus Tracks:
10 Prologue (alternate)* 1:35
11 Banning Back Home (film version)* 3:14
12 Presenting The Hook (film version–extended)** 4:03
13 Hook's Blues* 2:17
14 Wendy Tells Peter The Truth (partly unused)* 2:24
15 Exit Music (unused) * 1:42
DISC 2 TIME: 72:17
TOTAL ALBUM TIME: 140:35


+Lyrics by Leslie Bricusse
* Previously unreleased
** Contains previously unreleased material

Thanks for the track listing!

Amanda,
I really try to respect every opinion. I remember a few situations when people had second thoughts about posting something and I really understand their thinking. Everyone here understands the nature of (at least this part of) ffshrine, so when I find things like "I'll report it just in case" just weird.


He already stated that since these were not leaked LL material, he had no issues with it being here, so why would he report it?
I simply don't understand what he wanted to achieve. If he really thought it was necessary to report it right away (and at the time he didn't know what's inside) he would have done so immediately. I think it was just talking for the sake of talking.

DISC 1
1 Prologue 1:30
2 We Don't Wanna Grow Up + 1:50
3 Banning Back Home 2:25
4 Granny Wendy 2:57
5 The Bedroom* 1:07
6 The Nursery* 1:38
7 The Watch* :56
8 Hook-Napped 3:56
9 A Portrait Of Wendy* 1:06
10 The Arrival Of Tink/The Flight To Neverland** 6:03
11 Presenting The Hook 3:01
12 Pirates!* 2:41
13 Hook Challenges PeterH 7:50
14 From Mermaids To Lost Boys** 5:13
15 The Lost Boy Chase 3:32
16 Smee's Plan** 3:25
17 Pan Is Challenged* 1:20
18 Hook's Lesson* 3:08
19 The Banquet 3:10
20 The Never-Feast 4:41
21 Hook's Madness* 4:00
22 Follow That Shadow* 2:38
DISC 1 TIME: 68:18

DISC 2
1 Remembering Childhood 11:04
2 You Are The Pan** 4:03
3 When You're Alone+ 3:16
4 Tink Grows Up* 2:20
5 The Ultimate War: To War** 9:45
6 The Ultimate War: The Death Of Rufio* 2:36
7 The Ultimate War: Sword Fight* 5:32
8 Farewell Neverland** 11:15
9 End Credits** 6:08

Bonus Tracks:
10 Prologue (alternate)* 1:35
11 Banning Back Home (film version)* 3:14
12 Presenting The Hook (film version–extended)** 4:03
13 Hook's Blues* 2:17
14 Wendy Tells Peter The Truth (partly unused)* 2:24
15 Exit Music (unused) * 1:42
DISC 2 TIME: 72:17
TOTAL ALBUM TIME: 140:35


+Lyrics by Leslie Bricusse
* Previously unreleased
** Contains previously unreleased material

fantastic, glad i secured my copy on ebay now!!! i will upload as soon as i recieve it......unless someone beats me to it that is lol

glad i secured my copy on ebay now
Why on eBay? Why not directly from LaLaLand, to support one of the best soundtrack labels of our generation?

Ebay!! , just wait for the La La Land listing , give them the support , 1pm pst, 4pm est

Ebay!! , just wait for the La La Land listing , give them the support , 1pm pst, 4pm est

Good to know. BTW, is it normal if I can't find a single thing about the score on their site (http://www.lalalandrecords.com/)

Good to know. BTW, is it normal if I can't find a single thing about the score on their site (http://www.lalalandrecords.com/)

Yes, that's normal. You won't see it on LaLaLand until they list it at the specified time.

Yes, that's normal. You won't see it on LaLaLand until they list it at the specified time.


Yes , La La Land wont put anything on the site untill the time so you kinda have to watch :)

good. I'll just wait then. :D

This is the Concorde bootleg, it seems like the tracks in red aren't on LLL's edition or are different versions?

1. Prologue (1:33)
2. Banning Back Home (2:25)
3. Granny Wendy (2:07)
4. The Nursery (1:08)
5. Wendy Tells Bedroom Stories (1:34)
6. The Watch (0:56)
7. The Dog Barks Hook (2:00)
8. Hook-Napped (3:59)
9. The Police Leave (0:57)
10. Wendy Tells Peter the Truth (Original unused version) (2:22)
11. Tinkerbell Arrives / Flight to Neverland (5:58)
12. Presenting the Hook (Extended version) (3:46)
13. Pirates! (2:41)
14. Peter Fails Hook's Test (7:40)
15. Mermaids (1:16)
16. Home of the Lost Boys (Film version) (4:04)
17. The Lost Boy Chase (3:30)
18. You Are Peter (2:43) (edited/tracked in the film from You are the Pan?)
19. Hook's Blues (2:16)
20. Smee's Plan (1:46)
21. Pan Is Challenged (1:18)
22. Hook Gives the Children Lessons (3:06)
23. The Banquet (3:22)
24. The Never-Feast (Extended version) (6:13)
25. Hook's Madness (3:57)

DISC 2

1. Remembering Childhood / You Are the Pan (Unused version) (14:35)
2. Tinkerbell Big / Final Battle (9:57)
3. Death of the Lost Boy (2:24)
4. Return Home and Finale / End Credits (16:06)
5. Exit Music (Unused) (1:41)
6. Wendy Tells Peter the Truth (Film version) (2:21)
7. Tinkerbell Arrives / Flight to Neverland (Alternate I) (5:21)
8. Tinkerbell Arrives / Flight to Neverland (Alternate II) (5:29)
9. The Never-Feast (Alternate version) (6:05)
10. The Never-Feast (Film version) / When You're Alone (8:08)

Granny Wendy is longer on the original OST.

most of those are probably cues that were repetitive/"fake"

Yeah, perhaps. Anyway you can always combine the three to make an almost complete edition :)

fantastic, glad i secured my copy on ebay now!!! i will upload as soon as i recieve it......unless someone beats me to it that is lol

Please do not share La La land releases here.

Please do not share La La land releases here.

In this thread, or in general? Seriously - you're kidding, right? This is a sharing site, plain and simple.

Edit: Nevermind. Just checked this guy's posts. Fucking troll. Get lost Gwent.

Fact is, this will sell out quicker than hell. Its Williams, its a popular score. I see no harm in sharing it once its sold out.

This is going to be stellar. Between those who prefer the edited version, and this awesome expansion, there is something for everybody.

Fact is, this will sell out quicker than hell. Its Williams, its a popular score. I see no harm in sharing it once its sold out.

no 5,000 unit LLL has sold out very fast, except STV.

True, but this is a hugely popular score that has been rumored for a long time. On top of that, its John Williams too. I am sure it will go quickly, surely quicker than another 5000 units by another composer.

No harm in posting after it's sold out at LLL. At that point, the only people getting hurt are speculator scum.

And I expect it won't take long.

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Sadly, that is the case; this forum is populated with people who largely don't give a damn about anything except their own desires. The mods really need to take the moral high ground (by and large, the members certainly won't) and institute a properly policed blanket ban on such releases; at least until they are sold out. Not merely wait until legal threats turn up - but actually do the right thing regardless. Of course, they won't - but I think it should be placed on record that they should.

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Do these moral discussions go on over at paradox or the pirate bay? I'm seriously not making fun of anyone here, I just find the discussion interesting. Regardless, this is pretty much an endless debate, which we've been through many, many times.

Besides, let's say the mods said no more LLL releases unless sold out (which I hope they don't). Then you'd have everybody and their grandmother asking for the new release over and over again, the noobies would be ridiculed for even asking, then the score will still show up (eventually) on some other site, regardless of our supposed morals. I just don't see it working.

I agree with Amanda, tangotreats, if we do it for one label... we shall do it for the others, too (and, since I'm personally an Anime/Videogame BGM addict, I'd expect to see them included in such ban, shall it ever be imposed). Mods and Admins of these kind of communities are, actually, users with much more responsibility... No one should really go and take the high moral way, unless he/she's working for a label. Let's just respect the rules of the community, and we're good (currently releases from such label as LLL are allowed even on the same day of sale).

Perhaps it wouldn't entirely work - but if you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem; at least we would be trying.

I doubt whether these conversations go on elsewhere. I'm not sure why they do here. I think our little corner of the music business is perhaps unique; the often-quoted piracy justification "they're all big businesses, they won't miss / don't deserve the money" is simply not the case here. Nobody ever got rich selling film scores; FSM, Intrada, LLL, and all the rest of them aren't in the business for fun - they're doing it for love and frequently wish for nothing more than recouping their investment. Sometimes the investment can be quite high - licensing fees, transfer and restoration, weeks months years of negotiation, manufacturing, distribution - clearly it's not a simple case of "a CD only costs 10p to make; the rest is going straight into greedy businessmen's pockets!"

I personally don't believe piracy has a great deal of negative impact (if any at all; probably a positive impact overall) on the sales of any soundtrack release. Even with piracy in full swing, soundtrack releases sell well - "sure fire" titles sell out almost overnight (Ben-Hur, Superman Box, etc, etc) and with a few exceptions, labels are pretty good at guessing the sort of sales they're likely to get on a given title.

That said, I simply cannot find any moral justification for depriving these people of even one sale - directly or indirectly. They're just average Joes who love film scores and work hard to bring them to the world. They're not massive conglomerates with money to burn. They're not fascist international copyright cartels who turn up at your house with machine guns, threaten your family, take your money, and throw you in prison before presenting even one shred of evidence against you. They're just people trying to survive; and trying to keep the world of recorded film music alive. It's hardly a buoyant industry. Anybody with any business sense left it years ago. The people who remain are doing it for the same reason that volunteers keep vintage steam trains running; to preserve something that's worth preserving - and hopefully balance the books in the process.

I have no wish to come across as the white knight annoying troll who is being paid off by record labels, so I'll leave it there. Perhaps I can't do anything about these injustices, but I can at least write a few words that might help sway one or two people in the right direction. :)

I have nothing to add other than I just ordered my copy from LaLaLand. :)

Sadly, that is the case; this forum is populated with people who largely don't give a damn about anything except their own desires. The mods really need to take the moral high ground (by and large, the members certainly won't) and institute a properly policed blanket ban on such releases; at least until they are sold out. Not merely wait until legal threats turn up - but actually do the right thing regardless. Of course, they won't - but I think it should be placed on record that they should.

Tango, I give a week at best until this is sold out. maybe two. I've seen releases go OOP in less than a night in some cases. if you take into account shipping, etc, etc, it'll take 2/3 days at least until the first people get the CD. afterward, it's their problem. Generally speaking, I think recent release shouldn't be posted right out of the box. but then it's just my opinion. on another hand, I'm happy to be able to listen at a copy before getting my CD. Maybe the "Do your thing via PM" should be enforced for recent releases by labels such as Intrada, Prometheus, Lalaland, Perseverance.

I don't really know. it would be a hell of lot to accept for some. but I get your point. Maybe not until they're sold out, but, say, one month after the release. It's not THAT hard to wait for one month. problem isn't what people desire. problem is that people aren't patient. they want it, and they want it NOW. That's the problem. because even if such a policy was enforced, they'd just clutter the Film score hunt thread or the request forums with request for recent releases. and what releases to temporarily ban ? only the limited editions, or the general stuff, released at the same time as the movie ? for how long ?

I have nothing to add other than I just ordered my copy from LaLaLand. :)

Ordering is open? YES! :D

Get Um while they are HOT , I think everyone is crashing the site but I got mine in :)

Phew, got in there too. :)

I haven't got a pot to piss in until June but I just had to with this one...

Ordered mine too. The site is crashing under the huge influx of orders, so get em quick. This didnt even happen with Die Hard or Commando!

ARGH! I need a better job so I can order this stuff!

Love film scores and work hard to bring them to the world? That could apply also to the Videogame/Anime Music scene, eh... Want to hear the music? Play the damn game, watch that episode/movie.... But no, they actually bother and release something (true, incomplete most of the time... re-arranged... but still... something gets out).

Truth being told, they shall ALL be respected, but as you already said that's not going to happen. Why reserve special treatment to a label when you should give the very same treatment to the rest, too?

EDIT:
This is slightly unrelated to the topic, but I don't get why the staff is still allowing the posting of forbidden labels... You may not post a link openly in the message, but everyone know what is going to happen. If I was working for one of those labels I would unleash hell on this place. They still go and create threads about them, you really want to fuck up the shrine.

There's blood in the water at LaLaLand.

RE: Forbidden music via PM, Leon is right. It's mind boggling, and a bit scary. This site is popular enough that if you type a score name in Google and a file format, FLAC let's say, the thread here will either be near the top or actually be the number one result. It's a very dangerous game.

Why on eBay? Why not directly from LaLaLand, to support one of the best soundtrack labels of our generation?

Because I live in the uk and postage is rediculous from LLL. I have never purchased directly from LLL because I always pay at least �10 more sometimes. They are getting the support!!! I'm buying from a seller that will be getting it from LLL, so it is the same. Cannot win with some people! One minute members are moaning about downloading scores and not supporting the composer (who already has been paid for his work) and the next minute we are not supporting the label becuase we haven't got it directly from them. I don't know !!! Lol

I'm buying from a seller that will be getting it from LLL, so it is the same. No, it's not the same... buy it from La-La Land, they get all the money. Buy it from another seller, La-La Land gets less, as the seller get's a part of it. Economics... not too difficult ;)

I've ordered two copies... one for me, one for sharing... the offline way.

Private eBay sellers still have to buy the CDs from La La Land. They're always more expensive as well, especially if they're in GBP, as they want to make a profit. Look at Elite Soundtracks (http://www.elitesoundtracks.com/), for example. Its about 25GBP not including shipping - about 3GBP more than the LLL price including shipping.

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Ordered mine, though the site is indeed crashing like a mad cow.

That and the front page of the site doesn't advertise it. Had to go through the catalog to find it :). But it's ordered and "pending review" as they say.

I'm in the UK. I bought two copies - one for me and one for the missus - and my postage was �6. That hardly qualified as ridiculous.

And nobody is moaning about downloading not supporting the composer; they have indeed already been paid. It's the labels who need paying as they themselves had to pay in order to release the thing in the first place.

I'm at a loss to understand how somebody on eBay can buy the score off LLL, and sell it to you for less than you would pay buying it from LLL directly - unless something dodgy is going on.

And this "PM me for the score" is a load of crap. Of course they can't monitor or control PM, but they *can* prohibit these threads from turning up brazenly on the board. Allowing them is simply sticking two fingers up at Varese or FSM or whomever - it is saying "We're still sharing your scores so FUCK YOU!" - no wonder they're still pissed off.

as Im sure this site is monitored I hope they are at least glad to see many of us saying we ordered it :)

I'm in the UK. I bought two copies - one for me and one for the missus - and my postage was �6. That hardly qualified as ridiculous.

And nobody is moaning about downloading not supporting the composer; they have indeed already been paid. It's the labels who need paying as they themselves had to pay in order to release the thing in the first place.

I'm at a loss to understand how somebody on eBay can buy the score off LLL, and sell it to you for less than you would pay buying it from LLL directly - unless something dodgy is going on.

And this "PM me for the score" is a load of crap. Of course they can't monitor or control PM, but they *can* prohibit these threads from turning up brazenly on the board. Allowing them is simply sticking two fingers up at Varese or FSM or whomever - it is saying "We're still sharing your scores so FUCK YOU!" - no wonder they're still pissed off.

It may be a load of crap, but it still massively reduces the pool of people able to DL the score. 511.000 members (more or less) on the forum, 25.000 active (more or less again), and I'm not even sure how many actively PM people like WildwoodPark.

I'm willing to agree to a ban of recent releases, or even if necessary to still available limited releases. but OOP stuff ? I'm not willing to pay 299 effin' dollars for a CD, which is the current listed price for a used CD of the "Josey Wales" score at FSM. If only because buying used CDs doesn't bring anything to the composer, nor the publisher.

unless the publisher is part of the speculative process, which is the case for FSM.

Good God, no - once it's sold out, sharing achieves two things, both of them positive; it allows people who missed the release to hear the music (in keeping with the labels' desire for preservation) and it sticks up a rigid digit to the arseholes who buy a hundred copies on release date and then stick them on eBay a week later for �100 each.

sorry for that little rant guys. ruffled my feathers a little.


I'm at a loss to understand how somebody on eBay can buy the score off LLL, and sell it to you for less than you would pay buying it from LLL directly - unless something dodgy is going on.

i got it for �23 inc delivery. i buy LLL releases off this seller all the time. i just prefer to buy from u.k sellers for a piece of mind.

shipped already :)

Ordering direct from LLL, one copy, including postage to the UK - �23.79

I'd happily pay the additional 79p; what more peace of mind can you get than buying directly from the seller? I suppose if you trust the eBay guy then it's OK.

What matters is you got it. :)

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shipped already :)

Git. ;)

Ordered.... I urge everyone who loves scores to buy this.........support the Labels ;)

I brought up the matter of download at the FSM blog. The argument I posited was this: Has not downloads resulted in purchases? Haven't those on soundtrack blogs, due to their enthusiasm, mad PURCHASES of soundtrack on account of downloads? No answer or response from ANYONE on the FSM blog. Because the contention is that downloading is akin to out an out robbery. I do not agree with such an argument, as I can attest personally to making PURCHASES of (imprint still) soundtracks because I downloaded a score out of interest and curiosity, to see what the score was like. I can think of a good many scores that I was able to buy. There is of course the older, out of print scores, where, regardless of copyright or licensing rights, it out of print and will not benefit the composer/artist/estate buy buying it out of print. So that is just another way of looking at the downloading issue. I am not ignorant of the fact that there's downloading that will not result in a purchase, but I wanted to make the point of the benefit of sharing the music, that it can interest sales of soundtracks.

I brought up the matter of download at the FSM blog. The argument I posited was this: Has not downloads resulted in purchases? Haven't those on soundtrack blogs, due to their enthusiasm, mad PURCHASES of soundtrack on account of downloads? No answer or response from ANYONE on the FSM blog.

That was a mistake, my friend. There you will find only hypocrisy and suffering, as apparently foolishly handing one's hard-earned money to a bootlegger is more honorable in this, the Internet Age.

I totally agree with your point, however. Practically every music purchase I've made in the past 5 years has been due to what I've downloaded and sampled first, here and elsewhere. Something great earns my money, something mediocre I may keep on my hard disk in the off-chance that one day it may catch my fancy, and something shit is deleted and forgotten. I would likely not even be aware of many of the film specialty labels (LLL included) were it not for the Shrine. I think filesharing is a wonderful reality of our day and those who have the most to fear are those who produce the worst product.

Yet it would be naive in the extreme to believe that most here do buy what they have downloaded. Nor will that change. It is human nature. But it is still worthwhile to encourage people to do the right thing and support the content producers when it is warranted, as I assume will be the case with Hook.

I also find the "it's all illegal, who cares" argument disturbing and intellectually lazy; obviously it's illegal but if there were no shades of morality then every crime would demand the same sentence, which would be utter nonsense. I'm obviously no saint myself, but if I feel something is extraordinary enough to deserve the respect of being paid for, I will express that view. Life is a matter of degrees. :)

FYI, yesterday it was estimated that there were only 1300 copies remaining for purchase from 5000. Soon Hook will sell out, LLL will continue to be able to release great albums, and the cycle will continue. All is well.

I brought up the matter of download at the FSM blog. The argument I posited was this: Has not downloads resulted in purchases? Haven't those on soundtrack blogs, due to their enthusiasm, mad PURCHASES of soundtrack on account of downloads? No answer or response from ANYONE on the FSM blog. Because the contention is that downloading is akin to out an out robbery. I do not agree with such an argument, as I can attest personally to making PURCHASES of (imprint still) soundtracks because I downloaded a score out of interest and curiosity, to see what the score was like. I can think of a good many scores that I was able to buy. There is of course the older, out of print scores, where, regardless of copyright or licensing rights, it out of print and will not benefit the composer/artist/estate buy buying it out of print. So that is just another way of looking at the downloading issue. I am not ignorant of the fact that there's downloading that will not result in a purchase, but I wanted to make the point of the benefit of sharing the music, that it can interest sales of soundtracks.

To be perfectly honest, I'm seriously amazed they didn't ban you right then and there just for bringing it up. I got banned long ago over there just for using the word bootleg. Apparently they firmly like to believe that if you don't say the word, it won't exist. So deluded. lol

To be perfectly honest, I'm seriously amazed they didn't ban you right then and there just for bringing it up. I got banned long ago over there just for using the word bootleg. Apparently they firmly like to believe that if you don't say the word, it won't exist. So deluded. lol

Oh I suspect that there was those that did not "approve" of my question, but I was truthfully polite, and not trying to stir anything up. I really meant what I said about getting a number of soundtracks new, because of after hearing the download, I fell in love with the scores, like LLL Theater Of Blood, Dunwich Horror (also LLL), etc., being just a couple. But there was what I could say a general hostility to the mere IDEA of downloading. And I recall Lukas Kendall's melodramatic conniption regarding the Ron Jones Star Trek set. Kendall was misplacing his frustration I felt on file-sharing blogs, when in fact he did not have a viable seller in the Jones ST set. Unlike the Superman Blue Box, shared enough around, it sold just fine, in a SECOND printing now, and probable WAS I'm sure helped by soundtrack enthusiasts on blogs like here.

After all, the soundtrack collecting market is quite a niche market, is it not? And many of us undoubtedly buy soundtracks, as budget permits. I like the FSM blog, but so often there's a ready fight breaking out, as someone has said the "wrong" thing about a particular specialty release, the composer, the merit or not of the score, etc. I do not have the time to post regularly on FSM, but I try to just enjoy reading and perhaps offering a comment or question as I find it all quite interesting. I have been collecting and listening to film scores for about a good 35 years, with no indication of it being bored with it!

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...and I'll quick add that I asked on the FSM blog if "downloading is BAD", then unquestionably it would be hypocrisy to condemn it while allowing oneself to sample the buffet as it were! Again, there was no response from any of the FSM crowd, either taking this issue to task, nor admitting the likelihood that there are those who DO download, while not being honest to admit it. At least not on FSM! :)

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Sorry Double Post...

Thanks for this info. When I get my La La Land copy in the post, I'd want to top up from the Concorde and 4 CD bootleg. I'm not usually obsessed with everynote, but on this occasion, Hook is too good. Can anyone advise as below whats missing from all the bootlegs not on the La La Land (alternates or missing cues)? Would be really grateful.

Thanks


This is the Concorde bootleg, it seems like the tracks in red aren't on LLL's edition or are different versions?

1. Prologue (1:33)
2. Banning Back Home (2:25)
3. Granny Wendy (2:07)
4. The Nursery (1:08)
5. Wendy Tells Bedroom Stories (1:34)
6. The Watch (0:56)
7. The Dog Barks Hook (2:00)
8. Hook-Napped (3:59)
9. The Police Leave (0:57)
10. Wendy Tells Peter the Truth (Original unused version) (2:22)
11. Tinkerbell Arrives / Flight to Neverland (5:58)
12. Presenting the Hook (Extended version) (3:46)
13. Pirates! (2:41)
14. Peter Fails Hook's Test (7:40)
15. Mermaids (1:16)
16. Home of the Lost Boys (Film version) (4:04)
17. The Lost Boy Chase (3:30)
18. You Are Peter (2:43) (edited/tracked in the film from You are the Pan?)
19. Hook's Blues (2:16)
20. Smee's Plan (1:46)
21. Pan Is Challenged (1:18)
22. Hook Gives the Children Lessons (3:06)
23. The Banquet (3:22)
24. The Never-Feast (Extended version) (6:13)
25. Hook's Madness (3:57)

DISC 2

1. Remembering Childhood / You Are the Pan (Unused version) (14:35)
2. Tinkerbell Big / Final Battle (9:57)
3. Death of the Lost Boy (2:24)
4. Return Home and Finale / End Credits (16:06)
5. Exit Music (Unused) (1:41)
6. Wendy Tells Peter the Truth (Film version) (2:21)
7. Tinkerbell Arrives / Flight to Neverland (Alternate I) (5:21)
8. Tinkerbell Arrives / Flight to Neverland (Alternate II) (5:29)
9. The Never-Feast (Alternate version) (6:05)
10. The Never-Feast (Film version) / When You're Alone (8:08)

Granny Wendy is longer on the original OST.

Oh I suspect that there was those that did not "approve" of my question, but I was truthfully polite, and not trying to stir anything up. I really meant what I said about getting a number of soundtracks new, because of after hearing the download, I fell in love with the scores, like LLL Theater Of Blood, Dunwich Horror (also LLL), etc., being just a couple. But there was what I could say a general hostility to the mere IDEA of downloading. And I recall Lukas Kendall's melodramatic conniption regarding the Ron Jones Star Trek set. Kendall was misplacing his frustration I felt on file-sharing blogs, when in fact he did not have a viable seller in the Jones ST set. Unlike the Superman Blue Box, shared enough around, it sold just fine, in a SECOND printing now, and probable WAS I'm sure helped by soundtrack enthusiasts on blogs like here.

After all, the soundtrack collecting market is quite a niche market, is it not? And many of us undoubtedly buy soundtracks, as budget permits. I like the FSM blog, but so often there's a ready fight breaking out, as someone has said the "wrong" thing about a particular specialty release, the composer, the merit or not of the score, etc. I do not have the time to post regularly on FSM, but I try to just enjoy reading and perhaps offering a comment or question as I find it all quite interesting. I have been collecting and listening to film scores for about a good 35 years, with no indication of it being bored with it!

The funniest ( or saddest; depends) thing I remember reading on the FSM board were members saying they had smashed/burned/destroyed their "Slipstream" CD released by perseverance records because there had been a fuck up in the rights acquisition. These idiots were really ready to destroy a CD full of Bernstein's music.

Bunch of lunatics they are...

This is why I keep the hell away from the FSM board; and why many others do similar. Moderation is biased and inconsistent. Lukas allows Ford Thaxton (despite his very public hatred of Thaxton; referring to him as "a nasty, nasty piece of work... this unpleasant Hutt (as in, Jabba the)... a deranged person... [he has] a complete lack of taste and a tin ear...") and reveals that he may be the biggest score bootlegger of all time) and others (Lehah comes to mind) free reign to be as offensive, unreasonable, and ill-mannered as they fancy, whilst jumping mercilessly on others who have committed no crime other than disagree with the general consensus, or disagree with whatever moderator is currently doing the rounds.

Not a single discussion of note has taken place on that board for probably approaching ten years or more; it is nothing more than a playpen for pontificating children and a free 24-hour advertising channel for releases from labels who are run by people who are friends with Lukas Kendall.

FSM have released some fantastic albums over the years, but I will not miss their attitude. Whatever they would have released will now be released by LLL or Intrada; they've always been in league with each other anyway, as proven by the "sharing out" of the Star Trek re-releases, and Kendall's name turning up on non FSM releases. It's no great loss to the community. Kendall is a fine producer and a hard worker; but he is an atrocious businessman and a dishonourable human being.

I only hope that the demise of the board happens quickly after the demise of the label.

Relax, it's just a message board

Thanks for this info. When I get my La La Land copy in the post, I'd want to top up from the Concorde and 4 CD bootleg. I'm not usually obsessed with everynote, but on this occasion, Hook is too good. Can anyone advise as below whats missing from all the bootlegs not on the La La Land (alternates or missing cues)? Would be really grateful.

Thanks

Only the film insert of Neverfeast, Arrivale of Tink Album Version, Face of Pan without choir from the OST, and part of We Don't Wanna Grow Up and other source cues.

Only the film insert of Neverfeast, Arrivale of Tink Album Version, Face of Pan without choir from the OST, and part of We Don't Wanna Grow Up and other source cues.

are you able to take any of the unreleased music from the bluray sfx free

The Rear channels are clean on the inserts for The Ultimate War, but they are very tinny, but that can be fixed by just adding bass over and over, until it sounds good.

You mentioned The Face of Pan without choir? Can't remember, does the film version have choir, or no?

Yes, for the OST they left it out.

And I mean You Are The Pan of course

Edt.

what frank?

[Edit: Sorry, bad afternoon...]

This is why I keep the hell away from the FSM board; and why many others do similar. Moderation is biased and inconsistent. Lukas allows Ford Thaxton (despite his very public hatred of Thaxton; referring to him as "a nasty, nasty piece of work... this unpleasant Hutt (as in, Jabba the)... a deranged person... [he has] a complete lack of taste and a tin ear...") and reveals that he may be the biggest score bootlegger of all time) and others (Lehah comes to mind) free reign to be as offensive, unreasonable, and ill-mannered as they fancy, whilst jumping mercilessly on others who have committed no crime other than disagree with the general consensus, or disagree with whatever moderator is currently doing the rounds.

Not a single discussion of note has taken place on that board for probably approaching ten years or more; it is nothing more than a playpen for pontificating children and a free 24-hour advertising channel for releases from labels who are run by people who are friends with Lukas Kendall.

FSM have released some fantastic albums over the years, but I will not miss their attitude. Whatever they would have released will now be released by LLL or Intrada; they've always been in league with each other anyway, as proven by the "sharing out" of the Star Trek re-releases, and Kendall's name turning up on non FSM releases. It's no great loss to the community. Kendall is a fine producer and a hard worker; but he is an atrocious businessman and a dishonourable human being.

I only hope that the demise of the board happens quickly after the demise of the label.

I agree with much of what you say Tango. Out of the multitude of those on the FSM blog, really most I feel are mindful of civility and can disagree respectfully. It only takes a few of those I think are "camped out" --and it would seem that they are on it 24-7--on the site that are ornery and cross so frequently. Really a pity. Most soundtrack collectors are a good lot, whether one downloads or not. That IS part of their passion. I am grateful for the composers who have created many fine scores.

So I'll occasionally have a look at the blog discussion threads, often for info on releases, or some interesting news. I can much better enjoy a forum when people are respectful. Enthusiasm (and even passion) for film scores ought not to come to nasty exchanges. At least some have a sense of humor about the arguing, when somebody posted a photo of two ladies trying to rip out each others hair! :) There's more guys collecting scores, but glad that the ladies like them too.

Yes, for the OST they left it out.

And I mean You Are The Pan of course


its on the La La Land edition :)

I know, The version on the LLL has the choir, the version on the OST had the choir taken out.

Thanks Faleel


Only the film insert of Neverfeast, Arrivale of Tink Album Version, Face of Pan without choir from the OST, and part of We Don't Wanna Grow Up and other source cues.

has anyone uploaded this here yet to dl (the new 2 cd lala land release)?

Would be great to hear it since hearing rumors its may be sold out?

Cheers

It's not sold out yet. Only the first pressing is sold out. The other half of the pressing will be at La-La Land in about two weeks, maybe less. The only thing the original poster in this thread posted is a fan made boot that's been around for years, nothing worth having here that won't be on La-La Land's set.

So do yourself and everyone a favor, support La-La Land and buy a copy the next time it's back in stock.

Doubled sentiment here.


It's not sold out yet. Only the first pressing is sold out. The other half of the pressing will be at La-La Land in about two weeks, maybe less. The only thing the original poster in this thread posted is a fan made boot that's been around for years, nothing worth having here that won't be on La-La Land's set.

So do yourself and everyone a favor, support La-La Land and buy a copy the next time it's back in stock.

Anxiously awaiting mine to arrive!!!

It's not sold out yet. Only the first pressing is sold out. The other half of the pressing will be at La-La Land in about two weeks, maybe less. The only thing the original poster in this thread posted is a fan made boot that's been around for years, nothing worth having here that won't be on La-La Land's set.

So do yourself and everyone a favor, support La-La Land and buy a copy the next time it's back in stock.

Meh, I don't entirely think that attitude is necessary in this case. I did myself purchase a copy, but, to be honest, I don't think it will matter if it gets posted here. It's still gonna sell out shortly, regardless of whether or not it is posted.

If any don't support the download of any cd from this page, don't enter. On this website does not sell anything.

Yeah, exactly. By that logic, this website shouldn't even exist, or at least this section of it

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And, it HAS been uploaded in a few places, just not on here.

And you're telling us this without a link because....?

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Amanda is one of the most generous people on this site. I'm not sure what is going on lately...seems many people are just downright rude. I don't think it is the smartest idea to upset the people that are most likely to post and answer requests.

Amanda is one of the most generous people on this site. I'm not sure what is going on lately...seems many people are just downright rude. I don't think it is the smartest idea to upset the people that are most likely to post and answer requests.

Well..forgive my 'rudeness.' The question stands. Don't see how 'personal projects' prevent one from hitting the copy and paste button. My question had nothing to do with anyone's generosity or filling a request. She said it was up somewhere..in the land of nod perhaps and I think it borders on trolling to toss that out there and not follow up or..ahem...back it up. Like I said... copy and paste?

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All those talk about "forbidden" to post links to the damn thing just makes me laugh, like any of us holds some kind of 'ownership' over the item.... Those folks which go and make "rules" about 'their' shares forget way too easily they aren't allowed to share such things in the first place lol. If Hook LLL doesn't show up here by the time I finally receive my copy, I'll take care of the upload.

Can't blame ya babydoll!

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Well..forgive my 'rudeness.' The question stands. Don't see how 'personal projects' prevent one from hitting the copy and paste button. My question had nothing to do with anyone's generosity or filling a request. She said it was up somewhere..in the land of nod perhaps and I think it borders on trolling to toss that out there and not follow up or..ahem...back it up. Like I said... copy and paste?

you do know that taking links from a forum, blog or website and posting it on a forum is generally considered "rude", do you ? As Amanda says, once various private blogs or forums will have obtained a copy, it's but a mere matter of time. If Amanda doesn't wishes to post a link or anything, she won't. and it's her right.

doesn't anybody around here (save for Cletus, it seems) remember the damn concept of patience ?

Anyway, Beggars can't be choosers, so as long as no one uploads a copy around here, which seems won't happen till the thing get sold out (matter of weeks, i'd say), you'll have to wait.

How unfair. I'm crying. really.

I offer my apologies, lady, my message wasn't actually directed at you. It's just that I don't like the way some 'sharing' places work: trackers with ratio, private communities which don't like 'their' links to show elsewhere (or, in some cases, 'their' rips)... I'd like to ask all these guys something: how can they expect to have their rules respected, when they're the first ones to go against the rules by sharing copyrighted material? EDIT: Rude? Ahahah! What about them, then? Aren't such folks rude to the guys who actually made the item in the first place?

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I personally do not agree with the policy, but if I want to get the stuff, I gotta play by their rules, dig? Leon, see my pm about this.
Yeah, of course, again... my previous message wasn't meant to be an attack to you, nor did it imply that you weren't fulfilling requests whenever possible... I merely wanted to share my point of view on 'that' stuff... situation. And, I can't answer you privately, so I'll do it here: I appreciate the gesture, sincerely, but I'm not downloading it, waiting for my copy to show up in the mail.

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Well, the system returned to me that you restricted something about private messages when I tried to send you an answer.... Anyway, I've got to answer here, so no problem for me. I guess I could help with the private shares, until it doesn't become public? If that's ok with you, of course, I must confess that normally I wouldn't ask and just do it, but since people is being nice... I can be, too, for once :D

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What am I doing wrong here folks? I cant download it. "FileServe can only be used to download and retrieve files that you have uploaded personally." :(

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Understood, but any idea where I can download the 3CD the kind uploader shared? I got my La La Land today and would love to top it up with missing cues. Any advice would be appreciated.


Nothing wrong. If you did not load the file yourself, file serve will not let you access it, as they have disabled the file sharing functions of the site. Several hosts have done so, while others block U.S. users.

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hi, give me time tu re-upload this in another server. Thanks

Thank you very much. Really appreciate.


hi, give me time tu re-upload this in another server. Thanks

hey, drhousetapachula, have you reuploaded the soundtrack on a different server yet? i really just want the soundtrack for completion's sake

Why bother? The La-La Land set makes this completely obsolete. Buy that instead.

hmm... good point Vosk. I actually just downloaded the La-La Land version. While it may not contain the whole, complete score, it has a much, MUCH better sound quality than any of the bootlegs that I have been accustomed to over the years

A humble thanks for sharing this and in addition I was curious: does a lossless version of this exists?

hey, drhousetapachula, have you reuploaded the soundtrack on a different server yet? i really just want the soundtrack for completion's sake

hi yes i re-upload the score in a different server
go here: http://forums.ffshrine.org/f92/film-score-thread-114237/6.html#post2056322
and you will find it

Re-up please!

thanks

Hi,

I'm interested in Hook Complete 3 cd' s Edition.

Could you send me a link please ?

Goodbye

*facepalm*

Not THIS thread again, lol

I'm interested in Hook Complete 3 cd' s Edition.

Could you send me a link please ? thanks

Can you please re upload? :)

Thanks.

Can you send a PM Link for this or re upload! Thanks

please re upload or send pm link

Any chance for a re up?