yes he is

Any particular reason why?

Squall's character develops a lot in the Final Fantasy VIII storyline, and he goes from one of the most annoying main characters I have ever yet to being one who I felt the most for.

***SPOILERS.***

Squall learns how to love. That is the key part of the story. At the beginning he is distant, and he shuns an offer of friendship and romance from Quistis because he just doesn't care about anyone other than himself.

Then he meets Rinoa.

Rinoa changes Squall's life. Disk 3 when he is carrying her unconscious form across the bridge to Esther because he wants to heal her. Going out into space in order to catch her. Holding her in his arms out there in space knowing they are going to die soon due to lack of air, until the Ragnarok goes past them. Sharing the moment on the Ragnarok. It's an awesome story bond between the pair that makes Squall human, that teaches him how to share his heart.

Running to go and save Rinoa from being imprisoned as a Sorceress, telling her that he will not let her disappear as Time compresses. All these moments stand out and embrace me.

Battle wise, Squall's Limit break owns. Renzokuken + Lionheart = The ultimate Final Fantasy move, in my opinion.

... Writing all this makes me want to play Final Fantasy VIII again.

To sum up, Squall may begin acting like a complete ass, but he develops beyond that, IMO. He's one of the characters who develops the most in the Final Fantasy series.

Why would you say Squall is stupid? It's ridiculous to just post the topic 'Squall is stupid' and then 'yes he is' without even explaining why.

He's obviously not stupid. If he was stupid how would he become the leader of Balamb Garden and how would he even be in SeeD?

Are you one of those anti-ff8 "let's all worship ff7 even though it's actually not as good but everyone says it is so it must be" kind of people? They're the sort of people who would say Squall is stupid.

'Squall' has 2 L's in it by the way. Duh.

:eye:

Final Fantasy VII is better than Final Fantasy VIII, but that's besides the point. Anyway, suffice it to say, Squall is not stupid. Stubborn sometimes and definitely troubled emotionally, but it'd be a difficult case to prove that he was stupid.

FF7 is not better than FF8. I have yet to find anyone who could put up an argument good enough to convince me of that.

And yes, it would be hard to prove Squall stupid. Go on then Solidus Snake... explain.

Originally posted by Solidus Snake
yes he is


Silly you....

Your out of your tree, I mean can u prove that squall is stupid or what.

yes he is

Originally posted by LEELOO 5
yes he is

I second that

Stupid is certainly not a characteristic of Squall.

Idiots don't get into such a highly qualified schools. He may be dislikeable, even a personality that turns you off, but I haven't heard any good evidence to suggest that he is stupid.

Anyone care to defend their opinion with anything logical?

UPDATE: We do not need to insult people here, there are flamming rules against that, despite having a worthy complaint against the format of his posts.

Still no reply from Solidus Snake I see...
Interesting that. Maybe he's realised he was wrong?

:)

Actually, I think Solidus Snake just sort of disappeared.

Originally posted by Agent0042
Actually, I think Solidus Snake just sort of disappeared.


We can only hope! :p

No more having to read stupid ass posts that consist of "??" and comments without thought behind them....:eye:

reminder for anyone : Square rules ! all FF's are great !


live with it !

squall was awesome....he was almost the same as cloud, but not quite...

How was he almost the same as Cloud? They're totally different.

Well Cloud is also pretty fooking fooked up, the whole Jenova Cells etc...

Cloud is also the 'silent type' sure he does speak, but thats because he's the main character, but there are other main characters that say way more than Cloud i.e Zidane.

Cloud has an awesome limit break (Omnislash, like everyone knows)

Cloud is incharge of a team

Originally posted by Bahamut ZERO

***SPOILERS.***

Squall learns how to love. That is the key part of the story. At the beginning he is distant, and he shuns an offer of friendship and romance from Quistis because he just doesn't care about anyone other than himself.



Lol o .o Yeah to me, FFVIII seemed to turn more into a Love Story type game o.o which I didn't mind at all, I am easily consumed by those type of stories lol.

squall is cool! not as good as cloud though cloud kicks ass and i dunno which is better there both different topcs depends wat you are looking for.....

Go away I don't like you, Squall is cooler than you!

erm he went away a long time ago

He's still around somewhere because he signed up for the TetriNet tournament, didn't he? Not that he ever played a game.

Yeah, yeah, you see, if Squall was really smart, instead of blowing off Quistis, he would have arranged for a threesome. Heh, heh, Oh yeah!

Damn, I've been watching too much family guy.

I never felt for the characters in FFVIII like I felt for those in FFVII. Not the games fault(or is it?).
Squall grated on me to be honest.

yes the graphics, technology, and junctioning were unique and deserving of the utmost respect..but not the characters or storyline....so flat..

Edit: oh, i suppose i gotta say something about 'ol Squall if i post..well he's a great guy..shy..not stupid..just not very emotional..not enough motivation to live when parted from his sister when so young..his only true family..

From my experience it seems that the majority of people place their first FF at the top of the list. It's true for me as well. And after FF7, FF8 was a comedown.

Well, all the junk about FF8's storyline aside (I mean, let's face it. At least in 7 you had some idea of who the real villian was. In 8, there was no backstory to the villian, it was all just *Bam* Here's your villian, kill them or it's Game Over for you!), Squall was stupid.

I mean, c'mon! Picking Rinoa over Quistis? What the hell?!

Rinoa was one of the most idiotic female characters I've ever run across in a game (only one that was worse, IMO, was Mary Jane in the Spiderman game that recently came out). There was no reason whatsoever to rescue her at any given time in the game. In fact, that's all I believe she really was. Another one of those blank characters where it was always your job to rescue them.

Quistis, however, was worth saving--nevermind the fact that she wasn't stupid enough to get into a situation where she needed saving. She was more useful in a fight, had better "limits" than Rinoa, a hell of a lot smarter in her dialogue in the game and a character with much more depth than ditzy Rinoa--and better looking, IMO.

In short: Squall was a stupid dumbass because he picked the ditzy airhead Rinoa over Quistis, who was every bit as good looking and a hell of a lot smarter.

Odin..........



I'd pick Rinoa over Quistis any day

Rinoa wasn't as smart as Squall, that's why Squall chose her..Quistis is the same type of person Squall is, just more outspoken. Rinoa knew how to be romantic because of her limited wisdom...Quistis is just intelligent with no rebellion in her to fuel romanticism.

its not like Squall is a real person and actually made a consciece decision to "choose" Rinoa.

i dont see how a choice was made in the first place anyway. Squall shuts everyone out for quite some time and its Rinoa in trouble that allows him to start "caring" and the drama of it all just brings them together.

oh yeah,

Solidus Snake is stupid

yes he is :lol

unlike Snake i will give a reason...

Snake can't spell SQUALL even after reading it like a thousand times during the game!

Look Rinoa's Knight..not that it needs to be said but i'm bored and your post is just asking for justification anyway..so..we (Odin, Draven and i) are just having fun with FFVIII's character pairings..yeah..it was in the script for Rinoa to be with Squall no matter what and for Squall not to make any decisions, just go along with whatever other people wanna do that seems right..but that's boring...anyway..wasn't this all about the weapon system? great guy that Solidus Snake..starting a thread and idling away while we true fans distort the thread into a FFVIII character debate..and uh..i don't think Squall likes the title of "Knight"..he's not that romantic like Seifer..unless you mean that guy that looks out for Rinoa at Timber that goes and hides in the bathroom while looking at porno..

Well...All I have to say was Squall wasn't stupid but BORING!!!! What kinda of seed are you if you don't even want to play video games or have fun ???:whatever: :notgood:
Come on! Even Cloud in FF7 played at Gold Saucer and had more emotions to show than that.
Anyway...I would had like it for Squall to end up with Quistis. Rinoa was such a trouble maker and her stupid useless dog wouldn't even heal my strongest character but the weakest (@!?$ Rinoa)...I would rather had whip that dog into shape with Quistis's weapon :whatever:

Sqaull is stupid and Seifer should be in his place.

I dont like Squall..... Let's kill him

LOL...Yeah!! If we had an option, I think I would had like to eliminate Squall out:lol He's such a jerk!

ok I keep reading all this crap about quitis squall and rinoa but who are you folks kiding. we all know that ZELL IS THE BEST !!!!

Maybe we cn find a way 2 dstroy or do sumfing 2 hurt squall

Look, just accept it.

Squall is not stupid!

LOL...:lol .....Yeah! What can we do to hurt Squall ? That loser makes me :mad: pissed off sooo many times. I just want to boot him off and make someone else the leader.

Anyway, Zell sucks. I hate tapping out his limit breaks and the only thing I always get are his easy limit breaks-When I'm just randomly tapping out.

Squall is no knight but is boring....and HE IS STUPID!!

squall was annoying but can i get a vote on how annoying zell is! stop being so cheerful all the time! you are not hard your a little weakling without a weapon! gggrrr!

Squall was perfectly alright. I know tons of people who have a hard time caring for other people and they are good people as well. As for him choosing Rinoa over Quistis, Rinoa was the one that brought out the part of him that could care for people, he had been wanting that for his whole life. On the other hand, Quistis was the one that kept feeling sorry for herself because Squall DIDN'T like her and she always wanted him to feel sorry for her too. Sorry if I double posted.

wow...i can't believe so many people are dissing Squall. You totally don't understand him if you think he's stupid! I connected with Squall majorly...he hit me in a way that no other FF character has. He's been hurt, badly, and he doesn't want to be hurt again, so he shuts everyone out. Behind his silence is incredible depth and confusion... I know someone very much like him, and he is the person that means the most to me in this world...He isn't stupid...he just has a strange way of dealing with pain. Once people like Squall learn to feel again, they feel intensely and deeply, much like what happened with Rinoa.. Now honestly, I Hate Rinoa, and am disappointed that the one Squall fell in love with had to be as idiotic as her..but, oh well. She was there at the right time in his life...
Squall is The Best. Saying he's stupid is just a pathetic way to start an argument....how can you possibly back that statement up??

That's sort of what I said. The fact that he chose Rinoa doesn't make him an idiot because she is retarded:eye: She was the one that helped him learn to care for people and he reacted to that very strongly.

Hmmm...Interesting point ? Or NOT!!
LOL:lol ...Squall is stupid...and Can I say SELFISH!!
Dang! If you have only help Ellone with Laguna seeing Raine one more time, maybe Raine would had died happy. But NOOO!, what does he do, BLAH!BLAH!BLAH!...its not my life...can't change the past..BLAH!BLAH!BLAH!
OH! Everything you say comes right back to you, Squall. YOU BIG IDIOT!! Why should that trouble-maker Rinoa be saved when you didn't want to help Ellone with her request.
:notgood: If I was Ellone, I would had said NO! Let her died. It would be one for one....He can't change the past too:lol
That's the big idiot that he is...BORING and STUPID!!

SQUALL IS NOT STUPID!!!!! JUST BECAUSE HE DOESN'T KNOW THE WHOLE HERO ROUTINE DOESN'T MAKE HIM SELFISH!!!! YOU ARE A PREJUDICE BECAUSE THE OTHER HEROES AREN'T THE SAME AS HIM.

Whatever......(hahahaaha stupid Squall)

The fact that you're opinions are different from ours is ok but don't call us wrong for having a different opinion (ha I guess I sort of did that too huh?) well sorry for that I didn't mean anything by it though I'm sure you could care less.

To Landlord of Sector 7,
Hmm...Stating that I'm prejudice is going way off....makes me feel like...Ha ha ha..Squall is still STUPID and BORING to me!
Like I would care less about a loser like him. Everything Squall says went straight back to him. Doesn't it makes you feel wrong now,Squall.
Anyway, I respected your Opinion...and whatever I said about loser Squall is my own.
He's Boring and Stupid !!:lol

Yeah sorry for the prejudice thing it was uncalled for but I don't think Squall is stupid. I don't really know one thing that he has said that has come back to him and I don't really get what you mean by that either. Could you please explain.

Well...don't worry about the other post with the prejudice thing...I'm an easy going person...so I really don't care since it was everyone else opinion and people did get flared or tick off...whateva...:cool:
Anyway, when I said everything Squall said went back to him,it was true. I remember that Ellone made a small request for Squall to be as Laguna in the past and see Raine when she was having a child..(something like that)...I can't quote for quote everything he said...but he did say that you can't change the past...its not his life..blah blah blah...you should let the past be as it is...
Well...Look who was wrong!! Everything he said went right back to him. Instead of letting Rinoa died or whateva, he actually went and change the past.
I would had love to kick Squall if their was an option in the game. He only thinks about his own interests instead of others. How inconsiderate!!:notgood:

HAHA well thanks for understanding. As for the going back in time thing, how was he supposed to know that you in fact COULD go back and change things? I'm sure that he didn't know anything about Time Compression or time travel or any of it and that most other sensible men would have done the same thing it's just that he is the leader so everyone nitpicks every single one of his actions.

Well, I think later on when he was trying to save Rinoa, he figure out. But come on, your kinda like a sister who you look up to, Ellone, ask you for help and you turn her down.
Or when the others wanted to help you along your passage of trying to revive Rinoa, he still turn them down.
Now, to me, that is just plain stupid and inconsiderate of him. They have feelings too and I think if the game would had shown it, their feelings would be hurt (Selphie, Quistis,etc...)!!
Nevertheless that he never apoligize to Quistis for her hurt feelings.
What a loser!! :notgood: :whatever:

Yeah but that was just because he wanted to save her himself because he wanted to show her how much he cared. It was his way of saying Thank You. As for the Quistis thing, he didn't know how to talk to her after he hurt her feelings so he went within himsself and couldn't find the answer.

Squall was a good character, but what you all most probly dont relize is that he is good cos he wasnt another sterio type main character that is lively, the leader and cared for everyone. squall isnt really like that, he was good cos he was a fresh change from other characters.

That is the same thing I have been trying to say for a while just in a bit of a different context is all. I think that people don't like him because they compare him to the other heroes and not to normal people.

like at start he does seem like a complete jerk and i want to smash his quiet ass but thats cos he acts like how most people dont expect you to act, he makes u want to get into the game more, at first i though ff8 wasnt as good as it 7 but as i played it i found it wasnt to bad and i got to get right into the games like i do in any ff and squall fits in perfectly because it makes u want to lern more about why he is like the way he is and i find it furfilling.

Landlord, can you try not to post every second post? I find it hard enough to decipher your messages as it is.

Fine, I had some trouble identifying with Squall. Whenever I was given to choose what to say to a character, or which decision to make, I ALWAYS heard the other characters exclaim: "This is so not like you, Squall!" That was kind of odd. They shouldn't have given you the ability to choose what to say every now and then, because it interfered with Squall's personality. Therefore with myking him credible.

Just a thought that came to me, to add to my previous opinion. Squall's only 17, 18. When I was 17, 18, I was pretty damn confused about certain aspects of my life. The kid was an orphan, being bought up as a warrior. If you're gonna be a warrior, a killer, you're going to want to cut off your emotions a bit in order not to get hurt when you're killing people.

Squall was still growing up into the adult he eventually became. True, he shunned Quistis, but that was when he was still immature and struggling with discovering the person he wanted to be. It wasn't until he had to try to save Rinoa that he realised there was more to his life than himself.

... Then again, maybe I'm waffling...

happy now? I posted every 3 this time. Anyways, Squall was just a confused teenager trying to find himself and in the process sometimes forgot about everyone else around him. Done deal.

LMAO @ Landlord ur a cheeky lil bugger, how old r u like 12??

What is a cheeky little booger? I am not Australian Mick so I don't know what you are talking about. I am 15 years old though. Why do I sound immature to you?

Originally posted by _D3viL_Hunt3r_
Squall was a good character, but what you all most probly dont relize is that he is good cos he wasnt another sterio type main character that is lively, the leader and cared for everyone. squall isnt really like that, he was good cos he was a fresh change from other characters.

O.k Cloud(FFVII) did not care about every1 and you dont see ppl saying he is stupid... well i dont think that they do.

ok good point angel but heres some reasons why cloud is different

1. Cloud wasnt asmuch of a jerk as squall was and he wasnt as bad, he talked and didnt constantly say some crude remark to anyone that talked to him. He may have kept quiet but when he talked he went on for a little while.

2. he did care for others thats why he got angry when aries died and thats why he was so emotional towards Tifa. some thinks that he only thinks of himself even known he started to hate himself because he wasnt strong enough to help tifa wen she fell off the cliff.

3. CLoud was arrogent and cocky, cocky means that he was kinda "up himself" so to speak and arrogent is kinda the same but it means that he is agressive aswell.

4. CLoud was just very confused


PS. Landlord i dunno why u just do and a bugger is what we aussies just call people i dont even kno the exact reason , i laughed when i read ur remark as us aussies being "australian mick" please describe what an "australian mick" is id love to kno

Please stay on topic, and don't start hurling insults at one another. If you want to discuss what a bugger is, or what an Australian mick is, kindly take it to PMs and leave the thread to the subject that is being discussed. Thank you.

On the subject of Cloud being different because he didn't care, I'll point you to this in my post:

True, he shunned Quistis, but that was when he was still immature and struggling with discovering the person he wanted to be. It wasn't until he had to try to save Rinoa that he realised there was more to his life than himself.

Which shows that Squall DOES care for others, as well as himself. Just like Cloud does. Although you mention that Cloud is different in this regard. I put carrying a person across half a planet just to save her as being a caring person.

Plus, Squall was very confused too. Having no memory of anything JUST LIKE CLOUD.

screw the topic! what the hell is cheeky? thats strange:whatever:

Austrailian mick whats goin here?

oh ya squall is boring. Zell rules! thank you Ill be here all night be sure to tip your waiters!;)

Yeah as for that carrying her half way across the world, that is caring but it is not like that is a long ways in that game. Maybe like two miles at the most. Yeah like we have all said, Squall was a teenager that was confused and Rinoa showed him to not be confused and such things but for all of you people saying australian mick (I said im not australian mick, implying that since he was from australia I would call him Mick because a lot of Australians are named Mick and Sheila hence referring to an Australian stereotype) I was just kidding though.

As for your comment after this AerisCloud (editing is pretty nifty) Squall didn't know the right way to ask someone something like that because he didn't want them to feel offended because alot of people would have taken that the wrong way and thought that it was something against them.

Hmmm...Okay! Squall may had been confused or whateva during that age, but I been through that age time line..even if your confused, sad, a loner or ignore everyone...Someone (or everyone) will try to reach out to you or small talk with you. It should at least make you feel like your not alone in a not so perfect world.
It's not enough for him to be inconsiderate and tell people to talk to the wall or I don't want to listen to your problems or its not my problems, so why should I care :eye:
Squall could of at least tell them that he wants to be left alone or it lets him think a lot or something instead of being rude and inconsiderate of others feelings.

Squall did not "learn" to love. The love is not developed and he is just an antisocial bastard. He says "whatever" all the way up to the Ragnarok.

I'm no expert but I think it went like this. Squall had lost Ellone when he was very young and it left him griefstricken for a very very long time. Then, we start the game and he is still the same way. He likes the fact that his Instructor understood him but didn't know how to react to it. Rinoa comes along and she starts to show him how to react and distinguish these thoughts. He still doesn't trust it because he doesn't know her very much. When they get in space, he finally realizes that he has been an ass by staying in his own world and how much he cares. When him and Rinoa get to the Ragnarok, they are all alone and so he lets it all out because he is trying to thank her for what she has opened him up to. *Cheeky Little Booger at heart baby represent!!!!*

I've had the same thought, too. Squall believed - and well, he's right - that sooner or later you lose what you have. People you love go away, and you'll be hurt. So he thinks to protect himself from this pain, he'll never love. So he shuts himself away from everything and everyone, and avoids people, avoids making friends and falling in love. I can understand that very well. But I understand also that this does not make you happy. :(

Bahamut Zero, Cloud has a reason to be confused and loss of memory, squall doesnt thats also wat makes them different.

Squall has a reason for loss of memory, admittedly a very crap one, but still, here it is:
*SPOILER*
Squall and the others apparently ose their memory when they junction GFs. They find this out when Edea tells them that, wit the exception of Rinoa, all of the party went to the same orphanage. None of them remember this because they junction GFs. Which doesn't actually explain why they didb't remember BEFORE junctioning GFs, but still, it's a reason.
A crap reason.

That is true except Edea doesn't tell them that. Remember, they are at Trabia Garden at the back Basketball court when they remember. They flashback to Matron's orphanage and then they wonder why they didn't remember it and someone (I think Selphie) says maybe it is because of the gf's and Quistis says, "No that is just some stupid rumor that the GF critics are saying."

i wouldnt say that squall is stupid. but i will say he is my least fav main FF character. i just didnt like him

*SPOILERS*

In the beginning of the game Squall really acts like jerk! But after that Ragnarok scene he realizes his feelings towards Rinoa. And after all he is my favourite character in FFVIII.

Squall is a loner and thats that, loners can love, or learn to love and yes Squall is my fav main FF guy

O.K O.K O.K. This topic has been going on for a while now but the easiest way to solve it is just with one simple line......

SQUALL IS STUPID!!!!!!!!

Squall Leonhart is my fav char in ff , and if he is a stupid guy his freinds wouldn't trust him and fight with him.

nah they jst felt sori 4 the guy cz he had no friends

Ohhh i didn't know that!! (i have my opinion and you have yours).

Your right. all it really comes down 2 is peoples opinions and hw they see the characters frm thei point of veiw

1_W1nged_Angel...I agree with you...LOL...SQUALL IS STUPID!! And this is just my opinion also but dang...he is such a boring loser:whatever:

Look aeriscloud ,Did you read what i have wrote about Squall and If he is stupid Then Why his friend fight with him and with the long jorney with him...I give a Reason why he is not stupid So...Give Me One reason Why Squall Is Stupid.

:) winner.

1 Good Reason:

When people troed 2 hlp Squall he just snubbed thm off. Thats not him being a good guy now is it. What kind of person basically tells people who care for him to F*** OFF.

Stupid Squall

There were some good quotes in here, posts actually trying to understand Squall's personality, but the majority of people obviously don't even care to read...
The thread has turned into a collection of stupidity. I regret seeing this, and before it turns even dumber, I'm going to close it.