I have, just dled it yesterday and started playing. Pretty good. Details if anyone asks

Speaking for myself, I have no intention to return to the abomniation that is FFXIII... (I despised X-2 and that was a shitty sequel to a shitty game!) The FF series never needed sequels as the series creator, Hironobu Sakaguchi, never intended for a FF to havea sequel. I bet he's laughing at how far FF has fallen, now that he's no longer at SE. Losing him, Nobuo Uematsu (who is now a freelancer and not solely emloyed by SE) and others, has hurt SE imo.

Also... I think this thread should've been posted in the FFXIII section Crysta, not in the General FF section.

Agreed; Sakaguchi's legacy was tarnished, much as I do enjoy almost all that the series has to offer. The sequels are a bit (more like extremely) unnecessary, but some have been quite good, such as Crisis Core (IMO). I never thought any of the stories needed more expansion, especially IV and XII. Seriously, it's like they just did it for the hell of it. A story as complete as FFIV needs no furthering :-/

well let the mods move the thread. As usual Revan i can always expect you to toss out some angst against anything that comes after FF5. I have liked a number of the Final Fantasy series. About the only game i really couldn't stand was IX. The music was terrible and the plot made no sense, characters seemed cheap to me. I used to be a serious fan-girl of VII until the haters and the fanboys kind of ruined it for me. Which is why i liked Final Fantasy X so much. But enough on that, i really don't care about the angst of the fan base enough to let it ruin playing a new FF game.

Firstly, I would expect a member who has been a member here for as long as you have Crysta, would know WHERE to make a post regarding a installment in the FF series. As XIII-2 deals with the universe of FFXIII, logic would dictate that this thread should've been posted there. Yet nowadays, there seems to be a extreme lack of logic on this forum.

Secondly, 'Toss out some angst against anything that comes after FF5'? Where the Hell did you get THAT idea from? I don't think I've ever made mention in the time I've been a member here, that I like FFV! FFIV, yes. FFVI, Hell yeah. But FFV? Don't think so. I've made no secret my disgust or hatred of the FF series after X (X, X-2, XII, XIII and now XIII-2), as in my opinion, SE has dropped the ball with all of them. XI and XIV, being MMO's are a different kind of animal when compared to X and above. Of those two, only XI as any good.

You like FFX, fine. That's your choice. Angst of the fan base? If you think that's what I've portrayed, you've got another thing coming sweetheart... I've played X, X-2, XII and XIII... There was nothing in them to keep me focused on finishing the games. No memorable characters, weak storylines (XII was a clear rip off of Star Wars and XIII starts out just like that other game, with the spikey haired idiot with a penis fascination (IE: His big sword)), mediocre music and the battle systems weren't really imaginative at all. XII's was clearly 'borrowed' from XI's and XIII's battle system is a fucking joke!

Unlike the 'angst ridden fan base' of which you're implying I'm apart of Crysta, I do have valid reasons as to why I hate the FF series after X and what it has become. I bet Hironobu Sakaguchi, Nobuo Uematsu and other former SE personal who no longer work solely with SE, are laughing their asses off at what was once a geat series, but has now become nothing but a pale imitation of what it used to be and is a pure joke.

Firstly, I would expect a member who has been a member here for as long as you have Crysta, would know WHERE to make a post regarding a installment in the FF series. As XIII-2 deals with the universe of FFXIII, logic would dictate that this thread should've been posted there. Yet nowadays, there seems to be a extreme lack of logic on this forum.

Secondly, 'Toss out some angst against anything that comes after FF5'? Where the Hell did you get THAT idea from? I don't think I've ever made mention in the time I've been a member here, that I like FFV! FFIV, yes. FFVI, Hell yeah. But FFV? Don't think so. I've made no secret my disgust or hatred of the FF series after X (X, X-2, XII, XIII and now XIII-2), as in my opinion, SE has dropped the ball with all of them. XI and XIV, being MMO's are a different kind of animal when compared to X and above. Of those two, only XI as any good.

You like FFX, fine. That's your choice. Angst of the fan base? If you think that's what I've portrayed, you've got another thing coming sweetheart... I've played X, X-2, XII and XIII... There was nothing in them to keep me focused on finishing the games. No memorable characters, weak storylines (XII was a clear rip off of Star Wars and XIII starts out just like that other game, with the spikey haired idiot with a penis fascination (IE: His big sword)), mediocre music and the battle systems weren't really imaginative at all. XII's was clearly 'borrowed' from XI's and XIII's battle system is a fucking joke!

Unlike the 'angst ridden fan base' of which you're implying I'm apart of Crysta, I do have valid reasons as to why I hate the FF series after X and what it has become. I bet Hironobu Sakaguchi, Nobuo Uematsu and other former SE personal who no longer work solely with SE, are laughing their asses off at what was once a geat series, but has now become nothing but a pale imitation of what it used to be and is a pure joke.

Perhaps but like a lot of fans you seem to think your opinion is so valid that it trumps all.

Perhaps but like a lot of fans you seem to think your opinion is so valid that it trumps all.

So I'm to be like the unwashed and brainless masses, agree that everything's perfect when it's not? Everyone has an opinion about things and all I did was give mine. Don't like it? I don't care.

Played the demo. I liked it. I liked it more when they kept the instrumental of lake bresha.
I don't see why people make comparisons of X-2 and XIII-2. I fell asleep on X-2 right when Yuna (Fake yuna i guess?) was dancing around in some sphere or something. Didn't really touch the game after that. XIII-2 on the other hand made improvements. Caius seems like a great villain.

So I'm to be like the unwashed and brainless masses, agree that everything's perfect when it's not? Everyone has an opinion about things and all I did was give mine. Don't like it? I don't care.

You just showed the problem with your mindset. If anyone likes something you dislike then they are part of the brainless/unwashed masses of the FF fandom. I don't expect you to like anything, but when someone accuses you of bias you go on the defensive so aggressively that it makes people wonder.

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Played the demo. I liked it. I liked it more when they kept the instrumental of lake bresha.
I don't see why people make comparisons of X-2 and XIII-2. I fell asleep on X-2 right when Yuna (Fake yuna i guess?) was dancing around in some sphere or something. Didn't really touch the game after that. XIII-2 on the other hand made improvements. Caius seems like a great villain.


The music seems good. Although i'm a little put-off by the rap style boss music for the atlas battle. Caius is cool, I'm tired of long haired white guys as the main villain.

You just showed the problem with your mindset. If anyone likes something you dislike then they are part of the brainless/unwashed masses of the FF fandom. I don't expect you to like anything, but when someone accuses you of bias you go on the defensive so aggressively that it makes people wonder.

When I refer to the "Brainless/unwashed masses of the FF fandom", that is a reference to certain groups within the FF fanbase who are so fanatical in their devotion/loyalty to the series, that not only will they overlook the faults, they'll often say that the faults aren't faults at all and are in place deliberately. I've encountered many of those so called 'fans' and they have ruined the series for myself (and others). Of course I'll go on the defensive when someone responds that I'm being 'biased' towards them. I have my own opinion, as does everyone else, and if I think FF game (or any other game for that matter) is garbage compared to what others think, I will say so as is my right to do so.

When I refer to the "Brainless/unwashed masses of the FF fandom", that is a reference to certain groups within the FF fanbase who are so fanatical in their devotion/loyalty to the series, that not only will they overlook the faults, they'll often say that the faults aren't faults at all and are in place deliberately. I've encountered many of those so called 'fans' and they have ruined the series for myself (and others). Of course I'll go on the defensive when someone responds that I'm being 'biased' towards them. I have my own opinion, as does everyone else, and if I think FF game (or any other game for that matter) is garbage compared to what others think, I will say so as is my right to do so.

of course.
I felt the same about FFXII.
I went through all that against Split Infinity and his pals on Gamefaqs and it proved unproductive for me.
So I gave up arguing.I let people like whatever and dislike whatever and not bother to argue. The arguments are futile.
smiles.
I agree the series has gone downhill but I expect to still buy it. Not that many jrpgs out there to choose from a anyway.

I haven't tried it yet but my friend hated it.

Speaking for myself, I have no intention to return to the abomniation that is FFXIII... (I despised X-2 and that was a shitty sequel to a shitty game!) The FF series never needed sequels as the series creator, Hironobu Sakaguchi, never intended for a FF to havea sequel. I bet he's laughing at how far FF has fallen, now that he's no longer at SE. Losing him, Nobuo Uematsu (who is now a freelancer and not solely emloyed by SE) and others, has hurt SE imo.

Also... I think this thread should've been posted in the FFXIII section Crysta, not in the General FF section.


Firstly, I would expect a member who has been a member here for as long as you have Crysta, would know WHERE to make a post regarding a installment in the FF series. As XIII-2 deals with the universe of FFXIII, logic would dictate that this thread should've been posted there. Yet nowadays, there seems to be a extreme lack of logic on this forum.


When I refer to the "Brainless/unwashed masses of the FF fandom", that is a reference to certain groups within the FF fanbase who are so fanatical in their devotion/loyalty to the series, that not only will they overlook the faults, they'll often say that the faults aren't faults at all and are in place deliberately. I've encountered many of those so called 'fans' and they have ruined the series for myself (and others). Of course I'll go on the defensive when someone responds that I'm being 'biased' towards them. I have my own opinion, as does everyone else, and if I think FF game (or any other game for that matter) is garbage compared to what others think, I will say so as is my right to do so.

Have you seriously always been this much of a condescending faggot? I feel like you go into the FF boards to troll about your hatred for what the FF series is like now. And frankly, I have no problem with someone not liking it, but you're such a condescending and pedantic little fuckwit about it all that you derail a "what do you think of FFXIII-2" thread simply by existing. Seriously, find a much better way to word your shit or leave, because it's going to get really annoying when I feel like posting "I like the gameplay!" and some idiot is going to say "yeah i will never play FFXIII-2 LOL you guys are going to buy into SE's incompetent shit??" You are more or less the reason why I don't come back to FFS as much as I'd like (and the other part was school), because you're a fucking asshole.



Also, I really liked the gameplay demo, but I feel like I will not like the plot... FF13's plot was great as it stood and I don't feel it needed much of a sequel if at all. They need to start focusing their manpower on Versus. I guess I will probably end up disliking it for what it doesn't have (the original cast) than what it does >_>

Have you seriously always been this much of a condescending faggot? I feel like you go into the FF boards to troll about your hatred for what the FF series is like now. And frankly, I have no problem with someone not liking it, but you're such a condescending and pedantic little fuckwit about it all that you derail a "what do you think of FFXIII-2" thread simply by existing. Seriously, find a much better way to word your shit or leave, because it's going to get really annoying when I feel like posting "I like the gameplay!" and some idiot is going to say "yeah i will never play FFXIII-2 LOL you guys are going to buy into SE's incompetent shit??" You are more or less the reason why I don't come back to FFS as much as I'd like (and the other part was school), because you're a fucking asshole.

So I'm not allowed to express my opinion? Who died and made you the Ruler of FFS? I've been here far longer than you have Mercenary Raven and just like you, I'm allowed to say what I think of the next installment into the FF franchise, just like everyone else. The fact of the matter is, no game in the FF series needed a damn sequel as Hironobu Sakaguchi always intended for each FF game to be a standalone and complete game in it's own right. X-2 and XIII-2 along with the whole 'Compilation of FFVII' weren't needed and only came about AFTER Sakaguchi left SE and they felt the need to start tailoring the FF games for those who like flashy graphics and voice acting over quality gameplay and story. FFXIII's story was boring and the characters were not likable, their plight and how it was described did little to evoke any form of emotion from me, apart from contempt.

You may think that I "troll about my hatred for what the FF series is like now", but to my mind (as well as to many others), the FF series HAS declined since the series appeared on the PS2 (and I mean the console FF's. FFXI and FFXIV are MMORPG's and they are a different animal altogether). If you think otherwise Mercenary Raven, that's your choice and you're entitled to it, however there are those who hate the FF series far more vehemently than I do and are far more vocal and derogatory in their comments towards it than I ever have been.

Stating that I'm the sole reason (more or less) why you haven't been here, why? Because I have a differing opinion than you? That I'm rather blunt in my wording of my posts upsets you that much? I make no apologies if my posts upset your fragile ego. If my posts here have gotten under your skin (Which you obviously feel they have), that you felt the need to respond by calling me a 'condescending faggot', then I pity you. The world is a large place and you will find people who don't have the same thoughts/opinions as you, so grow up kid.

So I'm not allowed to express my opinion? Who died and made you the Ruler of FFS? I've been here far longer than you have Mercenary Raven and just like you, I'm allowed to say what I think of the next installment into the FF franchise, just like everyone else. The fact of the matter is, no game in the FF series needed a damn sequel as Hironobu Sakaguchi always intended for each FF game to be a standalone and complete game in it's own right. X-2 and XIII-2 along with the whole 'Compilation of FFVII' weren't needed and only came about AFTER Sakaguchi left SE and they felt the need to start tailoring the FF games for those who like flashy graphics and voice acting over quality gameplay and story. FFXIII's story was boring and the characters were not likable, their plight and how it was described did little to evoke any form of emotion from me, apart from contempt.You say "who died and made you ruler of FFS" and yet you say "every FF does not need a sequel." To throw your own words back in your face, who died and made you president of Square Enix? And there you go again with your dismissal of FF13. Yes, I understand you don't like it, but you make it sound as if everyone should feel the same way you do and you either genuinely feel that way or you are shitty at wording yourself. And who the fuck cares how long you've been here?


You may think that I "troll about my hatred for what the FF series is like now", but to my mind (as well as to many others), the FF series HAS declined since the series appeared on the PS2 (and I mean the console FF's. FFXI and FFXIV are MMORPG's and they are a different animal altogether). If you think otherwise Mercenary Raven, that's your choice and you're entitled to it, however there are those who hate the FF series far more vehemently than I do and are far more vocal and derogatory in their comments towards it than I ever have been. And I understand that, once again this has nothing to do with what I am saying. And the fact that others are worse doesn't excuse the way you come across.


Stating that I'm the sole reason (more or less) why you haven't been here, why? Because I have a differing opinion than you? That I'm rather blunt in my wording of my posts upsets you that much? I make no apologies if my posts upset your fragile ego. If my posts here have gotten under your skin (Which you obviously feel they have), that you felt the need to respond by calling me a 'condescending faggot', then I pity you. The world is a large place and you will find people who don't have the same thoughts/opinions as you, so grow up kid.Do NOT strawman my argument. That does not help you become less of a condescending faggot; it is not at all enjoyable for me to see someone post in every thread like you and moan about how much you hate x game. Or even spite Square Enix as much as you have, saying shit like "Yeah I hope Square Enix ROTS because they make games I don't like." And I've seen this in many of your posts, and you post far too much. You keep stating you have your own opinion but the way you express yourself is fucking deplorable if the quoted posts are of any indication to you; I am not sure if you inadvertently do it or not, which doesn't help.

You pity me and you're bringing this "the world is large not everyone shares your opinions" into this? You must be pretty stupid, because once again that is not my point and the fact that you think I have an issue with you not liking games I don't like shows your lack of reading comprehension. I think this key sentence (and the bolded part) went way over your head, Revan:


And frankly, I have no problem with someone not liking it, but you're such a condescending and pedantic little fuckwit about it all that you derail a "what do you think of FFXIII-2" thread simply by existing.

You hind behind this veil of "I have my own opinion" but you clearly are insistent on shoving it down everyone's throat.

This is getting pretty heated, guys, so I think it's best to put this thread to rest.

If people want to have an actual conversation about the demo go ahead and make a new thread. :)