I'm gonna be a bit controversial here...

Renzokuken is the most powerful move in Final Fantasy history.

There, I've said it.

Now to try to back it up. Granted, sometimes it cannot compare to Knights of the Round or Omnislash, but if you use Aura and get Squall constantly limiting with the Lionheart weapon, then you're laughing. You get the normal Renzokuken damage (between 4 to 8 hits at normal damage) followed by Lionheart (possibly) that does around 20 hits of damage at 9999 HP per hit.

This move is thus pretty damn crippling for anything you face. However, it does make the game easy if you're using Aura constantly in boss battles and Squall "happens" to Lionheart three times in a row...

I would think that Renzokuken and LionHeart are two different attacks, just one after another... But regardless, it is an extremely powerful combo, especially when you're facing bosses in which Renzokuken does a bunch of attacks (like Jumbo Cactaur). It could also be a cheap move as well...

but it's fun being almighty and chopping that red dragon up with renzokuken and lionheart :D
or another enemey that is so foolish to attack me ;)
Just as longs as they die I'm happy ^__^ although it is kinda cheap :B


This post was made possible by Aura and Meltdown.

Assuming that you use Meltodown, haste and aura like a madman, and got luck stats so high you win every lottory without even buying a ticket, then yeah, LionHeart is a cheap move.

Though with me, it was kinda rare and I don't think I ever got it twice in the same battle, at least not in a row. Mainly 'cause Squall was so damn strong that 1 LionHeart was enough to take down any given enemy :p

I useally get Limit Breaks when health is critical, only on special battles(Ultima weapon, Griever & Co) I use Aura big time

But in the end... LionHeart just rocks my world, mainly 'cause I haven't overused it while playing.

Max out Zell's attack power by junctioning, then use his duel limit and use the simplest move over and over. You can do tons of damage this way. It's alot cheaper and not as good looking as Renzokuken, but it works great :).

<font color=red face="comic sans ms">Yeah, Duel > Renzokuken when it comes to damage I'm afraid. Assuming you get 12 seconds, you can keep repeating the same moves over and over again as some combos simply chain onto each other over and over again, such as:

Punch Rush --> Booya --> Punch Rush etc...
Punch Rush --> Heel Drop --> Mach Kick --> Punch Rush etc...

These aren't the most powerful of the moves, but they chain onto each other forever, and you can perform them so quickly that the accumulated damage would be better than that of a Renzokuken + Lionheart.

But yeah, I'm not denying that Renzokuken is mega-powerful. ;)

Well.....In FF8.... all you have to do is max the STR state with Ultima magic, add up real good to your Luck, get your HP to critical and use Aura... then use Renzokuken, Squall will use Lion Heart as sweet kandy..... And the game is Extra easy... You can bring down ultima weapon with two Lion Hearts real easy....
You can do the same to Zell and use Duel.... That way....You'll get a heck of a damage.... If you take those both characters.... You'll beat anymonster so easy....


T.W.K.

Everytime I come into this forum (FF8) there is another reason why FF8 is sub-par...

And yes, it is ridiculous. The last boss is nothing when you can limit all over the place.

- PTM

Originally posted by PTM
Everytime I come into this forum (FF8) there is another reason why FF8 is sub-par...

And yes, it is ridiculous. The last boss is nothing when you can limit all over the place.

- PTM

Then just play really crappy, like me and this will make the last boss the longest FF battle you will ever have.

It took me like, 3 hours :(

Uh...PTM, Safer Sephiroth took like, one KOTR. Even if you fought him properly, W-Item meant unlimited Megalixers... virtual invulnerability.

Don't get me wrong, FF7 is my favourite, but in all the games, the end boss is ridiculously easy. I mean... in FF10, once you got Break Damage Limit on any sword...

Even without that it's easy. Jecht dies in two 99.999 hits. And he doesn't possess incrible strong moves that can't be countered. Then the fight with Yu Yevon is laughable, you even get auto-life x.x

hi all ! i am new here ! what are you guy talking ? can i join ?

Originally posted by xp_virus
hi all ! i am new here ! what are you guy talking ? can i join ?

You can introduce yourself here (http://forums.ffshrine.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1777). ^^

Also.. Discussions are open here. You're welcome to post in any thread you like, as long as you stay on topic. :)

Originally posted by Meph
Then just play really crappy, like me and this will make the last boss the longest FF battle you will ever have.

It took me like, 3 hours :(
ME TOO! Oh thanks ye gods, and I thought I was alone. But my longest against Ulty was five hours (but I lost back then, so it doesn't count...)
Ever since this time I reeeeally stopped understanding people complaining about a final boss being too weak.
Right, if you upgrade your weapons and power up your stats to no end, the last battles will all be easy. Either you ignore the junctioning system and don't upgrade your weapons, or you play with your eyes closed or the gamepade upside down.

... Lionheart? Hm... I've seen my sister do it, and yep, it seems quite powerful. But my Squall never did such fancy tricks.

FF8 is definitely not 'sub-par'. And as has been said before, it's not the only ff game with an easy ending or easy boss battles.
I think ff8 is a great game and renzokuken is just one of the great things about it.

Heh heh. You should try Lionheart at least once, Misao. It's fun! :D

Originally posted by Meltigemini
<font color=red face="comic sans ms">Yeah, Duel > Renzokuken when it comes to damage I'm afraid. Assuming you get 12 seconds, you can keep repeating the same moves over and over again as some combos simply chain onto each other over and over again, such as:

Punch Rush --> Booya --> Punch Rush etc...
Punch Rush --> Heel Drop --> Mach Kick --> Punch Rush etc...


No way is Zell's limit break stronger than Squall's. I would even say that shooting star (with some luck) is more powerful than Zell's limit break.

zell & squalls&rinoas(whishing star) are pretty good but what about quistis's shock wave pulsar its pretty kewl after all it breaks the max damage limit.
but i have to say as usual selphie is the best the end... or even rapture comes in handy when in a sticky spot

I must say that Renzokuken is cheap. But god I love it so much it really just rocks my world. It's fun to see Squall just jumping and cutting the monsters into nothing. But as for Zell's duel it may be good but I personally don't use it cause in my opinion it's not that good.

Zell's Duel combo thingo involves a lot of concentration. Granted, you could get a lotta damage off of it, but if you slip just once, you pretty much screw up the combo. At least with Renzokuken, followed by Lionheart, you're guaranteed any damage that Squall throws out. True, Lionheart is left to luck, but when it hits... Well, not a lot is left standing.

I think me not using Zell might've added to the whole "his force break isn't that great" sort of thinking. Once I had Rinoa and Irvine in my party, I pretty much ignored everyone else.

Originally posted by comrie89


No way is Zell's limit break stronger than Squall's. I would even say that shooting star (with some luck) is more powerful than Zell's limit break. <font color=red face="comic sans ms">All depends on the circumstances. Get Zell's strength to 255, cast Meltdown on the enemy, and get a 12-second Duel. True, you would need to be very good at Duel to do this, but the combo I posted before can be performed in a total of about 0.4 - 0.5 seconds. Now imagine each of those hits causing 9999 damage or just slightly below, and it would work out being so much more powerful than a Lion Heart. :D

You can make it mroe challenging for yourself by not using the *triangle tap til limit break* trick and playing normally, getting limit breaks only when they come first time. I actually think the end ff8 bosses were much harder than ff7 and other games, because there were 3 different enemies, greiver is capable of a lot of damage, then the last part of the boss had more than a million health, more than the final bosses of FF7 (i know its to do with ur level but assuming your level 100)

My tips are just equip yourself less to give yourself more of a challenge, if thats what you want.

As for renzokuken i think its awesome. I love the fact its stupidly powerful, one of the reasons i didnt like FF10, the limits were pure shit, renzokuken with lion heart is so cool, and didnt unbalance the game that much IMO.

u sed that renezuken is the most damaging move in ff history, and u are completely wrong. with renezukun, u do about say 210000 damage. now lets look at ffx, at wakka, and if u have his celestial weapon or just plain old limit break, and u do attack reels, and u get 2hits 2 hits 2 hits. guess what. thats a bout 1600000 damage, no joke. also, if u are cheap and use gameshark in ffx, have mindy of the magus sisters use passado, and make sure she has 999 strength( as stated u would need gameshark) and u can do about 2000000 damage. now thats a lot. so, in any case u are proved immediatly wrong, not even looking at omni slash, KoTR, Zell, or although it may not count, handicap 7777 in ff7

It's not fair to comparisons with FFX when so many moves in that game can do 99999 damage.

Originally posted by Tayste
I actually think the end ff8 bosses were much harder than ff7 and other games

Me too. Did you know that the first time I ever beaten Ulty was using Selphie's The End thrice? Heh that boss was pretty hard. I always died at Griever's Shockwave Pulsar. And if I survived, then I would have been killed quickly afterwards. Some time after that sad last battle, I went back and actually fought Ulty w/o The End.

Lets see.....

Zell's Limit Break can be done as fast as .1 - .2 per turn using the Punch Rush-Booya combo again and again and again.

For all intents, Zell's Limit Break can do more damage than any of Squall's Limit Breaks. This is under the assumption that no power ups (like Meltdown) and the norm of both characters are near to equal.

lets get back to the first subject

as to renzokuken being the bet move in the whole FF HISTORY

well, lets get back not to far ago, when Nintendo owned with super NES, and FF6 and Chrono Trigger had their place as the best Square RPGs ever, and among the best RPGs ever (they still are among the best ever) FF6 had THE most powerful move that killed ANYTHING but the final boss in 1 shot (cuz final boss is like many many many little parts) its VANISH-DOOM (yeah, combo, but renzokuken and lionheart is a combo, and then zell's limit is a combo, and then both are limits, while my thing isnt) vanish make the target completly immune to physics, but drops magic resist to none (or something like that) and then doom just dooms... thats it, dead... even omega wpn from FF8 wouldn't have lasted long back then :D:D:D

now that the question of the best move is settled, we might go talking about what are the best RPGs ever?

FF6 had THE most powerful move that killed ANYTHING but the final boss in 1 shot (cuz final boss is like many many many little parts) its VANISH-DOOM
FF8 has a move that kills anything whatsoever in one shot too. It's called "The End."

I have a move that can destroy everything in Final Fantasy history, it's called the Power Button. :O

get back on subject, we are talking about the most DAMAGING move, not the most powerful or cheap move

Okay, well if you want to talk purely about most damaging, then yes, Final Fantasy X's moves are the most damaging, no-holds-barred. Because they can do 99999 damage multiple times and that can't be done in earlier FFs.

i say that renzokuken is so powerful.
renzokuken have a preety move, when it cutting a monster.

he said powerful, sorry
as for the most damaging, yes, FFX has them, but just wait for FFXII or later FFs, every time they get bigger and stronger

I know this isn the subject but can some1 help me out ive had lionheart since disc 3 and ive been lvl 100 since disc 3 ive also finished the game and ive only done lionheart twice.

Is there any way tomake lionheart more often im lvl 100 so everything is maxed out and i aura just about every time i need it .so plz hlp if u can.


As for most damaging move ffX,

But if u were to have zell do his limit combo:booya punch rush ect
then have squal do a perfect rezokuken and do lionheart 3 times in a row Then have quistis to do shockwave pulsar,all in one turn thats probably the most damaging combo.

The highest damage that can be attained by any one move is in FFX, I wouldn't catagorize it as the best, but it helps.

1) Max the Magus Sisters.
2) Go to the Arena and fight one of the more challenging baddies.
3) When Mindy does her Passado, which is often, watch the fire works:

99,999 x 20 = 1,999,980 (yes it's 20 times)

Not that the monster dies, but hey, only takes say 4 or more times to kill it.

At least the game gives you a reason for such absurd damage.

If you void FFX... FFX-2 has Cat Nip.

Cat Nip + Trigger Happy + Turbo Controler:

I'm not sure how much this is, but without a turbo controler i can pull off 16-18 shots at 9,999.

Neither are combos.

meltdown>aura>renzokuken one goddamn powerful combo (assuming u got a gd trigger finger)

Originally posted by MogKnight
I have a move that can destroy everything in Final Fantasy history, it's called the Power Button. :O

Well said...

:)

I understand the combo move in FF6 wiping the crap out of everything, but I'm sure it doesn't work on certain bosses. Renzokuken - Lionheart works on ANYTHING. So, in that term of thinking, it's the stronger move.